Antimoon?!?!?!

Exactly.  It is not uncommon for someone not understanding the theories to post a crudely drawn napkin drawing that "proves" fet is impossible;  most of the time it is due to ill conceived preconceptions about what flat earth theory says due to ignorance or pig-headedness.

Whoever said it was to scale?  You're missing the point of the illustration, which is to demonstrate that the sun can't be acting as a spotlight.  For the antimoon idea to be correct the sun needs to be coincidentally casting light specifically in just two specific directions.

Edit:  Also, compass thread.

It is not uncommon for someone not understanding the theories to post a crudely drawn napkin drawing that "proves" fet is impossible.

Go ahead and correct that drawing. Use a clean napkin.

Quote from: John Davis on April 29, 2010, 04:16:08 PM

Exactly.  It is not uncommon for someone not understanding the theories to post a crudely drawn napkin drawing that "proves" fet is impossible;  most of the time it is due to ill conceived preconceptions about what flat earth theory says due to ignorance or pig-headedness.

Whoever said it was to scale?  You're missing the point of the illustration, which is to demonstrate that the sun can't be acting as a spotlight.  For the antimoon idea to be correct the sun needs to be coincidentally casting light specifically in just two specific directions.

No it doesn't, you are being ridiculous. The Sun does not need to, and cannot, shine at the Moon. The Moon is lit by its own light.

The Sun does not need to, and cannot, shine at the Moon.

The sun can shine onto the earth but not onto the moon?

Interesting. Go on.

No it doesn't, you are being ridiculous. The Sun does not need to, and cannot, shine at the Moon. The Moon is lit by its own light.

So you don't support the FAQ (which is what's being refuted here)?  The FAQ makes the claim the antimoon is coming between the sun and the moon and casting a shadow on it.  If people didn't like my earlier one, here's a better representation:

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 04:57:43 PM

The Sun does not need to, and cannot, shine at the Moon.

The sun can shine onto the earth but not onto the moon?

Interesting. Go on.

The Sun is flat disc parallel to the Earth. This has been known since the time of ancient Egypt.

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 04:57:43 PM

No it doesn't, you are being ridiculous. The Sun does not need to, and cannot, shine at the Moon. The Moon is lit by its own light.

So you don't support the FAQ (which is what's being refuted here)?  The FAQ makes the claim the antimoon is coming between the sun and the moon and casting a shadow on it.  If people didn't like my earlier one, here's a better representation:

Your diagram is wrong; the Antimoon comes between the Moon and the Earth during a Lunar Eclipse.

Your diagram is wrong; the Antimoon comes between the Moon and the Earth during a Lunar Eclipse.

Not according to the FAQ, which is what's being refuted.

The Sun is flat disc parallel to the Earth. This has been known since the time of ancient Egypt.

Of course. I forgot your special brand of FET. Still curious how the moon knows where the sun is. Especially with it being flat and invisible to the moon. Oh well.

Your diagram is wrong; the Antimoon comes between the Moon and the Earth during a Lunar Eclipse.

Go ahead and draw it out.

Your diagram is wrong; the Antimoon comes between the Moon and the Earth during a Lunar Eclipse.

A lunar eclipse doesn't happen all the time, idiot. And can you draw a diagram for us? Because id like to see that.

Quote from: The Question1 on April 27, 2010, 02:06:20 PM

I see people go outside all the time,they seem to be in perfect health.
Also,if its widely known you can provide a link right?

Link plx.

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 03:00:59 AM

5. The Antimoon can be shown to exist by the phenomenon of daytime Lunar eclipses. The globularist model requirse that the Sun be "behind" the Round Earth from the perspective of the observer, so that the Earth blocks the Sun's rays. This ought to preclude the two bodies being in the same hemisphere simultaneously, although empirical evidence demonstrates that they are. Therefore, another celestial body is blocking Lunar visibility from Earth during an eclipse.

Any pictures or links to back this up?
How come it's undetectable, even to scientists that have no place in the conspiracy that would have seen this phenomenon.

Daylight Lunar eclipses are well-documented, many have occured throughout history. The 19th Century geographer and astronomer Dr. McCulloch recorded two incidences, one in his own lifetime (in 1837) and one in 1717. The Daily Telegraph reported a daytime lunar eclipse on July 16th, 1870. They occur on a fairly regular basis.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

One more.  Why has it never been observed in the daylight?  We see the moon during the day all the time.  Why not the anitmoon? 

It has never been observed in the daylight (except during Lunar eclipses!) because it does not emit its own light, like the Moon does. For this reason it is only visible when it passes in front of the Moon.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

Also, here's where I'm going to shoot a giant hole in your little piece of BS here.  See, if there were two objects in the sky during an eclipse, an event that is frequently observed and photographed, then people would see two objects.  Especially since the FE model says that the moon is 3000 miles above the Earth, that puts the "antimoon" at a lower altitude.  If you don't believe that people would see two objects, try this.  Put an object of your choosing on a table, if you don't own a table, just use your floor.  Now, put another object of similar size and shape in front of the first one.  Now, look at them from different angles.  You'll notice, at some point, you can even see in between the two.  Since an object floating in front of the moon, has NEVER been documented, your antimoon is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

People do see two objects. This is precisely why the Moon becomes invisible during a Lunar eclipse.

It wouldn't need to emit any light to be seen in the daylight.  I 32 mile wide dark circle would show up just fine in the daylight, well, it would if it existed.

And, no, people do not see two objects during a lunar eclipse.  They see one object, with a shadow being cast on it.  But you missed my point, I said you would see two DISTINCT objects.  The sphere that is the moon, and a second object floating in front of it.  Some people would even be able to see a gap between the moon and the supposed "antimoon".

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 03:00:59 AM

5. The Antimoon can be shown to exist by the phenomenon of daytime Lunar eclipses. The globularist model requirse that the Sun be "behind" the Round Earth from the perspective of the observer, so that the Earth blocks the Sun's rays. This ought to preclude the two bodies being in the same hemisphere simultaneously, although empirical evidence demonstrates that they are. Therefore, another celestial body is blocking Lunar visibility from Earth during an eclipse.

Any pictures or links to back this up?
How come it's undetectable, even to scientists that have no place in the conspiracy that would have seen this phenomenon.

Daylight Lunar eclipses are well-documented, many have occured throughout history. The 19th Century geographer and astronomer Dr. McCulloch recorded two incidences, one in his own lifetime (in 1837) and one in 1717. The Daily Telegraph reported a daytime lunar eclipse on July 16th, 1870. They occur on a fairly regular basis.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

One more.  Why has it never been observed in the daylight?  We see the moon during the day all the time.  Why not the anitmoon? 

It has never been observed in the daylight (except during Lunar eclipses!) because it does not emit its own light, like the Moon does. For this reason it is only visible when it passes in front of the Moon.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

Also, here's where I'm going to shoot a giant hole in your little piece of BS here.  See, if there were two objects in the sky during an eclipse, an event that is frequently observed and photographed, then people would see two objects.  Especially since the FE model says that the moon is 3000 miles above the Earth, that puts the "antimoon" at a lower altitude.  If you don't believe that people would see two objects, try this.  Put an object of your choosing on a table, if you don't own a table, just use your floor.  Now, put another object of similar size and shape in front of the first one.  Now, look at them from different angles.  You'll notice, at some point, you can even see in between the two.  Since an object floating in front of the moon, has NEVER been documented, your antimoon is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

People do see two objects. This is precisely why the Moon becomes invisible during a Lunar eclipse.

How come this is the only crap I found? http://www.trivalleystargazers.org/gert/sunset_mooneclipse/sun_moon_eclipse.htm Which looks pretty suspicious. And thanks for giving us like, 2 references to Daytime Lunar Eclipses.

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 07:09:52 AM

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 03:00:59 AM

5. The Antimoon can be shown to exist by the phenomenon of daytime Lunar eclipses. The globularist model requirse that the Sun be "behind" the Round Earth from the perspective of the observer, so that the Earth blocks the Sun's rays. This ought to preclude the two bodies being in the same hemisphere simultaneously, although empirical evidence demonstrates that they are. Therefore, another celestial body is blocking Lunar visibility from Earth during an eclipse.

Any pictures or links to back this up?
How come it's undetectable, even to scientists that have no place in the conspiracy that would have seen this phenomenon.

Daylight Lunar eclipses are well-documented, many have occured throughout history. The 19th Century geographer and astronomer Dr. McCulloch recorded two incidences, one in his own lifetime (in 1837) and one in 1717. The Daily Telegraph reported a daytime lunar eclipse on July 16th, 1870. They occur on a fairly regular basis.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

One more.  Why has it never been observed in the daylight?  We see the moon during the day all the time.  Why not the anitmoon? 

It has never been observed in the daylight (except during Lunar eclipses!) because it does not emit its own light, like the Moon does. For this reason it is only visible when it passes in front of the Moon.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

Also, here's where I'm going to shoot a giant hole in your little piece of BS here.  See, if there were two objects in the sky during an eclipse, an event that is frequently observed and photographed, then people would see two objects.  Especially since the FE model says that the moon is 3000 miles above the Earth, that puts the "antimoon" at a lower altitude.  If you don't believe that people would see two objects, try this.  Put an object of your choosing on a table, if you don't own a table, just use your floor.  Now, put another object of similar size and shape in front of the first one.  Now, look at them from different angles.  You'll notice, at some point, you can even see in between the two.  Since an object floating in front of the moon, has NEVER been documented, your antimoon is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

People do see two objects. This is precisely why the Moon becomes invisible during a Lunar eclipse.

How come this is the only crap I found? http://www.trivalleystargazers.org/gert/sunset_mooneclipse/sun_moon_eclipse.htm Which looks pretty suspicious. And thanks for giving us like, 2 references to Daytime Lunar Eclipses.

Do you not trust those?

Do you not trust those?

Nope. Because the picture on the absolute bottom and the one above it have different backgrounds. And the grammar on that website is... well...

Quote from: John Davis on April 29, 2010, 06:49:31 PM

Do you not trust those?

Nope. Because the picture on the absolute bottom and the one above it have different backgrounds. And the grammar on that website is... well...

Is Tycho Brahe a good enough source for you?  He was known, among other things, for documenting them.

Wait, I'm still not getting this antimoon business.  Why would it never happen in broad daylight?  Why only at night or (depending on where you are on the GLOBE) have tiny hints of it at extreme sunrise or sunset?

Wow, the link provides really nice photos. In RE it's fully explainable....

Is Tycho Brahe a good enough source for you?  He was known, among other things, for documenting them.

Have there been no daylight lunar eclipses since the 16th century? For shame.

Quote from: Rahimz on April 29, 2010, 06:31:01 PM

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 07:09:52 AM

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 03:00:59 AM

5. The Antimoon can be shown to exist by the phenomenon of daytime Lunar eclipses. The globularist model requirse that the Sun be "behind" the Round Earth from the perspective of the observer, so that the Earth blocks the Sun's rays. This ought to preclude the two bodies being in the same hemisphere simultaneously, although empirical evidence demonstrates that they are. Therefore, another celestial body is blocking Lunar visibility from Earth during an eclipse.

Any pictures or links to back this up?
How come it's undetectable, even to scientists that have no place in the conspiracy that would have seen this phenomenon.

Daylight Lunar eclipses are well-documented, many have occured throughout history. The 19th Century geographer and astronomer Dr. McCulloch recorded two incidences, one in his own lifetime (in 1837) and one in 1717. The Daily Telegraph reported a daytime lunar eclipse on July 16th, 1870. They occur on a fairly regular basis.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

One more.  Why has it never been observed in the daylight?  We see the moon during the day all the time.  Why not the anitmoon? 

It has never been observed in the daylight (except during Lunar eclipses!) because it does not emit its own light, like the Moon does. For this reason it is only visible when it passes in front of the Moon.

Quote from: Sliver on April 29, 2010, 04:42:23 AM

Also, here's where I'm going to shoot a giant hole in your little piece of BS here.  See, if there were two objects in the sky during an eclipse, an event that is frequently observed and photographed, then people would see two objects.  Especially since the FE model says that the moon is 3000 miles above the Earth, that puts the "antimoon" at a lower altitude.  If you don't believe that people would see two objects, try this.  Put an object of your choosing on a table, if you don't own a table, just use your floor.  Now, put another object of similar size and shape in front of the first one.  Now, look at them from different angles.  You'll notice, at some point, you can even see in between the two.  Since an object floating in front of the moon, has NEVER been documented, your antimoon is nothing more than a figment of your imagination.

People do see two objects. This is precisely why the Moon becomes invisible during a Lunar eclipse.

How come this is the only crap I found? http://www.trivalleystargazers.org/gert/sunset_mooneclipse/sun_moon_eclipse.htm Which looks pretty suspicious. And thanks for giving us like, 2 references to Daytime Lunar Eclipses.

Do you not trust those?

That last link is actually legit looking but as we said, Lunar Eclipses are possible during sunrise and sunset which is what those pics were taken that.

Also, the reason this is viewable at daytime is even on the website itself. :|

"The more the closer the object is to the horizon. At the time of sunset the solar disk is lifted about 30arc minutes (about it's own diameter). Also if one observes from a very high mountain the apparent horizon is somewhat lower as we observe a bit around the curvature of the earth. "

Website:http://www.trivalleystargazers.org/gert/sunset_mooneclipse/sun_moon_eclipse.htm

What I don't get is why during a total lunar eclipse, you can see the moon in red during totality.

The antimoon must be shaped like a doughnut, with the center being some sort of red film-like substance.

It is common knowledge that exposure to the Moon can cause blindness and even death.

I was gonna come back to these forums...Now i think i'll gvie it some more time.

Quote from: markjo on April 29, 2010, 04:07:45 PM

Quote from: Ellipsis on April 29, 2010, 02:13:21 PM

If the sun and moon are spotlights, the FAQ idea of the "antimoon" passing between them to create a shadow doesn't make any sense.

Unless it's a spotlight in two different directions for no reason, which is laughable.

The sun and moon can not be on the same plane.  The moon must be below the sun so that a solar eclipse can occur.

Exactly.  It is not uncommon for someone not understanding the theories to post a crudely drawn napkin drawing that "proves" fet is impossible;  most of the time it is due to ill conceived preconceptions about what flat earth theory says due to ignorance or pig-headedness.

I'm actually dealing with this problem myself in another thread.  REers are just hopelessly stubborn.

I'm actually dealing with this problem myself in another thread.  REers are just hopelessly stubborn.

The spotlight problem or the antimoon problem?

Quote from: flyingmonkey on April 29, 2010, 04:29:07 AM

Quote from: James on April 29, 2010, 03:00:59 AM

5. The Antimoon can be shown to exist by the phenomenon of daytime Lunar eclipses. The globularist model requirse that the Sun be "behind" the Round Earth from the perspective of the observer, so that the Earth blocks the Sun's rays. This ought to preclude the two bodies being in the same hemisphere simultaneously, although empirical evidence demonstrates that they are. Therefore, another celestial body is blocking Lunar visibility from Earth during an eclipse.

Any pictures or links to back this up?
How come it's undetectable, even to scientists that have no place in the conspiracy that would have seen this phenomenon.

Daylight Lunar eclipses are well-documented, many have occured throughout history. The 19th Century geographer and astronomer Dr. McCulloch recorded two incidences, one in his own lifetime (in 1837) and one in 1717. The Daily Telegraph reported a daytime lunar eclipse on July 16th, 1870. They occur on a fairly regular basis.

OK I'm back, hear me hear me. This "daylight eclipse" stuff. It's quite simple.
Firstly, since Mad James is unaware that EVERY lunar eclipse can be a "daylight" one, it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of lunar eclipses straight off the bat. Lunar eclipses are visible anywhere in the world where the Moon is above the horizon at the time of the eclipse. Just like with the Sun, when the Moon is full there is somewhere in the world where it's setting and somewhere else where it's rising. When it's right close to the horizon there is a refractive effect which makes it appear a few degrees higher than it really is, and thus the Moon can be seen above the horizon while the Sun also is on the opposite side of the sky (don't forget the Sun is being refracted up slightly too.) Anywhere in the world where the eclipse happens as the Moon is resting on the horizon will be seen as a "daylight" eclipse.
They do NOT occur in the middle of the day in broad daylight as Mad James would have us believe.

There is no antimoon.

Correct, and let's not forget its the fact that it's close to the horizon that also accounts for the red color it sometimes has.  A few FEers have been talking about the "red moon" like we don't know what causes it.

Correct, and let's not forget its the fact that it's close to the horizon that also accounts for the red color it sometimes has.  A few FEers have been talking about the "red moon" like we don't know what causes it.

Lunar eclipses often look red wherever in the sky they are as the light is reddened by the earth's atmosphere before reaching the Moon. Large scale volcanic activity round the time of an eclipse tends to produce a redder effect, although Mad James would just say this was coincidence.
Incidentally, the Antimoon has no explanation for why there is a Penumbra.

Wouldn't the Anti-moon be easily detectable using ground based radio telescopes?

Wouldn't the Anti-moon be easily detectable using ground based radio telescopes?

Yes.

Quote from: John Davis on April 29, 2010, 04:16:08 PM

Quote from: markjo on April 29, 2010, 04:07:45 PM

Quote from: Ellipsis on April 29, 2010, 02:13:21 PM

If the sun and moon are spotlights, the FAQ idea of the "antimoon" passing between them to create a shadow doesn't make any sense.

Unless it's a spotlight in two different directions for no reason, which is laughable.

The sun and moon can not be on the same plane.  The moon must be below the sun so that a solar eclipse can occur.

Exactly.  It is not uncommon for someone not understanding the theories to post a crudely drawn napkin drawing that "proves" fet is impossible;  most of the time it is due to ill conceived preconceptions about what flat earth theory says due to ignorance or pig-headedness.

I'm actually dealing with this problem myself in another thread.  REers are just hopelessly stubborn.

Not nearly as stubborn as FE'ers.  I asked you in that thread, what you thought I meant, but you have yet to respond.