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« on: March 11, 2010, 03:38:58 PM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?

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Re: how about this?
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 04:25:09 PM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 05:42:30 PM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?

No, this is caused by the shape of the drains. The Coriolis Effect is negligible on things as large as tornadoes.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 05:45:20 PM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?

No, this is caused by the shape of the drains. The Coriolis Effect is negligible on things as large as tornadoes.

I highly doubt that

I observed many drains in South Africa because I was young and fascinated by how they all went clockwise.  (We visited many different areas there.)  I have just checked drains in my house and a couple of friends, and they are all counterclockwise.

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 06:14:32 PM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?

No, this is caused by the shape of the drains. The Coriolis Effect is negligible on things as large as tornadoes.

I highly doubt that

I observed many drains in South Africa because I was young and fascinated by how they all went clockwise.  (We visited many different areas there.)  I have just checked drains in my house and a couple of friends, and they are all counterclockwise.

I have 2 drains in my house that spin in opposite directions.

Also, at most you have found that sinks purchased in the northern hemisphere drain counterclockwise, bring a sink to the other side and get it to spin in the opposite direction and you may have some evidence.

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Re: how about this?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 08:22:49 PM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?

No, this is caused by the shape of the drains. The Coriolis Effect is negligible on things as large as tornadoes.

I highly doubt that

I observed many drains in South Africa because I was young and fascinated by how they all went clockwise.  (We visited many different areas there.)  I have just checked drains in my house and a couple of friends, and they are all counterclockwise.

Seriously, dude, you're wrong about this.  Please, look it up before you make things worse.  Google "coriolis force myth".
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 08:25:23 PM »
I actually watched my tub drain this morning. It usually spins anti-clockwise however it didn't spin in any particular direction at all today. I was disappointed. Coriolis is negligible on such small bodies of water.

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Re: how about this?
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2010, 12:18:26 AM »
when I am home here in (North) America, the water in my tub drain goes counterclockwise down the drain.  When I visited South Africa, it went down clockwise.  This is caused by the rotation of the earth.  Your flat earth acknowledges that the earth rotates, but how would the earth rotates in different directions in different places?

No, this is caused by the shape of the drains. The Coriolis Effect is negligible on things as large as tornadoes.

I highly doubt that

I observed many drains in South Africa because I was young and fascinated by how they all went clockwise.  (We visited many different areas there.)  I have just checked drains in my house and a couple of friends, and they are all counterclockwise.

Seriously, dude, you're wrong about this.  Please, look it up before you make things worse.  Google "coriolis force myth".

Yet it is responsible for the general circulation of the earth's atmoshphere. something a flat earth has yet to explain.
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Re: how about this?
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2010, 03:40:09 AM »
The next time you're watching a sink or bath drain, and the water is spinning one way, stick your finger in, and spin it the other way.

It's actually fairly easy to reverse the direction the water flows around the hole/drain.

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2010, 12:48:36 PM »
You know, this really reminds me of a Simpsons episode.

Props to whoever knows which one.

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2010, 01:15:21 PM »
You know, this really reminds me of a Simpsons episode.

Props to whoever knows which one.
That was a stupid and ultimately misinforming episode. In no way do any toilets' actually 'drain' once the flush button is pushed. The water is just forced in all directions.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2010, 01:54:45 PM »
Too many quotes to respond to individually, but the initial poster is correct. There is a place in Central America, I believe, right on the equator, where they perform the experiment for tourists, by pouring water into an ordinary old tub then watch which direction the water naturally rotates as it drains. They then move the tub several metres to the other side of the equator and watch the water flow in the opposite direction.

Further proof is in the weather. Hurricanes do in fact spin in the opposite direction of cyclones, the difference being whichever hemisphere they occur in. High and low pressure systems, the things which actually dictate the weather and wind, also spin the opposite direction depending on which hemisphere they occur in. What more proof does anyone need? The earth is a round globe and you know it, so stop being silly.

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2010, 01:58:20 PM »
Too many quotes to respond to individually, but the initial poster is correct. There is a place in Central America, I believe, right on the equator, where they perform the experiment for tourists, by pouring water into an ordinary old tub then watch which direction the water naturally rotates as it drains. They then move the tub several metres to the other side of the equator and watch the water flow in the opposite direction.

Further proof is in the weather. Hurricanes do in fact spin in the opposite direction of cyclones, the difference being whichever hemisphere they occur in. High and low pressure systems, the things which actually dictate the weather and wind, also spin the opposite direction depending on which hemisphere they occur in. What more proof does anyone need? The earth is a round globe and you know it, so stop being silly.

Lol. You think an african tourist attraction is legitimate?

Also, for all intents and purposes moving a few yards from the equator would produce no noticeable change in the Coriolis effect.

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 01:58:38 PM »
Too many quotes to respond to individually, but the initial poster is correct. There is a place in Central America, I believe, right on the equator, where they perform the experiment for tourists, by pouring water into an ordinary old tub then watch which direction the water naturally rotates as it drains. They then move the tub several metres to the other side of the equator and watch the water flow in the opposite direction.

Further proof is in the weather. Hurricanes do in fact spin in the opposite direction of cyclones, the difference being whichever hemisphere they occur in. High and low pressure systems, the things which actually dictate the weather and wind, also spin the opposite direction depending on which hemisphere they occur in. What more proof does anyone need? The earth is a round globe and you know it, so stop being silly.
This experiment would not work. The equator isn't an infinitely thin line at a specific given place on the ground. They're probably misinforming them by making it spin either way.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2010, 02:14:46 PM »
You know, this really reminds me of a Simpsons episode.

Props to whoever knows which one.
The one where they go to Australia, and the government made a toilet that flushes the "correct" way lol
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Re: how about this?
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2010, 02:30:17 PM »
Further proof is in the weather. Hurricanes do in fact spin in the opposite direction of cyclones, the difference being whichever hemisphere they occur in.

Entirely correct.
Interesting bit of trivia: hurricanes cannot cross the equator for that very reason.

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« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 02:48:43 PM »
This to the man about the trustworthy africans performing the service of demonstrating the coriolis effect.

(this is a direct copy paste from USA today's website, all credit goes to Jack Williams)

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     Incompetence from PBS (USA)

        Fakery of the first water (so to speak).
        There are charlatans operating at a tourist trap in Nanyuki, Kenya. In this little town, located right on the equator, a local mountebank works for tips as he glibly cons busloads of tourists into believing that the rotation of the Earth causes water draining from a container to spin clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counter-clockwise in the southern hemisphere. (Yes, you read that correctly, the charlatan fakes it backwards. You would think that if he were going to sucker people, he would at least get his directions the same as what really happens in large weather systems.)

        This man?s nonsense was captured (and endorsed) by Michael Palin in one episode of his BBC TV special, From Pole to Pole, which is often aired on PBS. The presentation went as follows:

        faker:

            This is the northern hemisphere (gesturing to his left), and this is the southern hemisphere (gesturing to his right). If you drain a sink when you?re on the northern side of the equator, and you watch the water as it drains, you will see that the water always rotates clockwise [sic]. (Shot of a pan with water draining clockwise. Floating match sticks are used to make the motion easier to see.) This phenomenon is caused by the rotation of the Earth. The effect becomes stronger according to how far you move to the north or to the south and becomes weaker according to how close you go towards the line [the equator]. So that?s why we have to give some distance from the equator so that the rotation can be noticeable.

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            This is known as the Coriolis effect and Peter McLeary has given this same lecture every day for the last six years. It?s delivered in the burnt out shell of an old hotel. The equator used to run through the middle of the bar. I bet they were always floating match sticks in the middle of the beer. (The faker has been carrying his pan and water about ten meters to the south of the spot marking the equator, and turns to face the audience.)

        faker:

            So, this changes to counter-clockwise [sic] indicating that now we are on [sic] the southern hemisphere. (Shot of the water in the pan draining counter-clockwise.)

            (Transition to a scene where the faker is placing the water-filled pan directly on the equatorial marker.) So, now we are right on the equator, and as we drain the water, you?ll see there will be no rotation. It just drains straight down. And that?s how we prove that we are right on the equator. (Water draining with no apparent rotation.)

        Palin:

            It does work.

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« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 02:51:13 PM »
So how does FE explain the Coriolis effect on hurricanes?

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 02:53:54 PM »
So how does FE explain the Coriolis effect on hurricanes?

How would I know? I simply came here to prove your idiot of an OP wrong. If you can't even properly represent RE theory, you shouldn't be spreading your untruths to others.

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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 02:56:52 PM »
So how does FE explain the Coriolis effect on hurricanes?

I blame what I call coriolons, tiny, unobservable particles that just slightly nudge things in one direction or the other, depending on which side of the equator you are on.  They are emitted by the sun.  Obviously my theory is hypothetical since coriolons are far too small to be seen even with the most powerful microscopes, but it's supported quite strongly by the observational evidence.

Too many quotes to respond to individually, but the initial poster is correct. There is a place in Central America, I believe, right on the equator, where they perform the experiment for tourists, by pouring water into an ordinary old tub then watch which direction the water naturally rotates as it drains. They then move the tub several metres to the other side of the equator and watch the water flow in the opposite direction.

I lol'd.  I think it's hysterical that this myth is still so widely popular, even after it's been so popularly debunked.
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 02:58:39 PM »
My idiot? My theory?

What do I have to do with him? Just because some people are idiots, doesn't mean our theory is debunked.

So no one has any theories on the hurricanes?

And to Roundy:

Impossible to see? Unobservable? Enough force to change the direction of hurricanes? Why is the equator the magical dividing line?

It is not supported at all with physics.

Example, neutrino's which are very undetectable do nothing to matter. Does something = is detectable.

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 03:00:49 PM »
My idiot? My theory?

What do I have to do with him? Just because some people are idiots, doesn't mean our theory is debunked.

So no one has any theories on the hurricanes?

And to Roundy:

Impossible to see? Unobservable? Enough force to change the direction of hurricanes? Why is the equator the magical dividing line?

It is not supported at all with physics.

Example, neutrino's which are very undetectable do nothing to matter. Does something = is detectable.

I'm sorry, you're the one here associating yourself with idiots like the OP. I'd say it'd be advisable of you to at least present your own theory in the correct terms before attacking the other theory, it gives the impression that you are in agreement with the misconceptions.

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« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2010, 03:03:25 PM »
Impossible to see? Unobservable?

Yes.  It's far from unprecedented for such particles to be theorized to exist.

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Enough force to change the direction of hurricanes?

It's actually an extremely subtle effect; that's why it's only really noticeable in large weather systems.

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Why is the equator the magical dividing line?

Because the sun lies more or less above the equator.

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It is not supported at all with physics.

How can you even argue that when you've just now seen the theory presented?  Prove to me that it's not supported by physics.

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Example, neutrino's which are very undetectable do nothing to matter. Does something = is detectable.

How about gravitons?  Are they observable?  Do they do anything to matter?
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2010, 03:10:19 PM »
Impossible to see? Unobservable?

Yes.  It's far from unprecedented for such particles to be theorized to exist.

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Enough force to change the direction of hurricanes?

It's actually an extremely subtle effect; that's why it's only really noticeable in large weather systems.

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Why is the equator the magical dividing line?

Because the sun lies more or less above the equator.

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It is not supported at all with physics.

How can you even argue that when you've just now seen the theory presented?  Prove to me that it's not supported by physics.

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Example, neutrino's which are very undetectable do nothing to matter. Does something = is detectable.

How about gravitons?  Are they observable?  Do they do anything to matter?


Give me a diagram of your sun and its "orbit" about the FE. The FE has many different theories.

How does it work? If it interacts with matter, it should be detectable. A graviton is only one theory for Gravity. Hell, even FET relies on gravity.

Also, subtle wouldn't work on hurricanes. They have a lot of mass. Why isn't this force felt on the ground? Or on the water?


Give me a mechanism. Otherwise, this isn't a fully fledged theory. Just something that can never be disproved.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2010, 03:17:19 PM »
Give me a diagram of your sun and its "orbit" about the FE. The FE has many different theories.

Sorry, I don't do diagrams.  But it's pretty easy to envision.  The sun is always very close to the equator; when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, the orbit narrows slightly; when it's summer in the southern hemisphere, it widens slightly.  It's directly above the equator on the equinoxes.

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How does it work? If it interacts with matter, it should be detectable. A graviton is only one theory for Gravity.

One extremely well-supported theory, and one most physicists now take for granted.

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Hell, even FET relies on gravity.

I won't comment until you explain the relevance.

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Also, subtle wouldn't work on hurricanes. They have a lot of mass. Why isn't this force felt on the ground? Or on the water?

If the effect wasn't subtle, the OP would be entirely correct.  You're silly.


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Give me a mechanism.

The mechanism is unknown.

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Otherwise, this isn't a fully fledged theory.

So you don't consider the theory of gravity to be fully fledged?  Interesting.
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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 03:22:16 PM »
Give me a diagram of your sun and its "orbit" about the FE. The FE has many different theories.

Sorry, I don't do diagrams.  But it's pretty easy to envision.  The sun is always very close to the equator; when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, the orbit narrows slightly; when it's summer in the southern hemisphere, it widens slightly.  It's directly above the equator on the equinoxes.

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How does it work? If it interacts with matter, it should be detectable. A graviton is only one theory for Gravity.

One extremely well-supported theory, and one most physicists now take for granted.

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Hell, even FET relies on gravity.

I won't comment until you explain the relevance.

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Also, subtle wouldn't work on hurricanes. They have a lot of mass. Why isn't this force felt on the ground? Or on the water?

If the effect wasn't subtle, the OP would be entirely correct.  You're silly.


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Give me a mechanism.

The mechanism is unknown.

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Otherwise, this isn't a fully fledged theory.

So you don't consider the theory of gravity to be fully fledged?  Interesting.

No, gravity has a bunch of nice equations and laws that work. This just says, undetectable force works perfectly and does this.

So this has no affect on anything that isn't affected by the coriolis effect?

And I meant a map. Every FE proponent has a different map. I can't tell if your solar orbit will work or not.


Come on, I can't even debate anything with what you have given me. At least gravity has everything except an exact cause. It could just be space-time warp.

You have yet to describe how it can spin hurricanes but does not disturb the water, how particles from the sun can spin the hurricane the way it happens in real life, and how the sun emits these.


What does the sun do that makes it so special? It is just a fusing star, and we know that. We have done fusion experiments. Why haven't we noticed the mass being given off as these particles?

But yea, I need a map. I don't think your solar orbit works with artic and antartic days and nights or time zones.


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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2010, 03:30:05 PM »
I blame what I call coriolons, tiny, unobservable particles that just slightly nudge things in one direction or the other, depending on which side of the equator you are on.  They are emitted by the sun.  Obviously my theory is hypothetical since coriolons are far too small to be seen even with the most powerful microscopes, but it's supported quite strongly by the observational evidence.

Well I must admit, it's a theory not without imagination, I'll give you kudos for that. Though, by "observational evidence" you mean the coriolis effect?

If there was such a thing emitted by the Sun, wouldn't the effect be rather random across the planet, rather than conforming to a set pattern, as it does?

Also, this also means the Coriolis Effect does not occur at night, I assume?

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2010, 03:42:49 PM »
No, gravity has a bunch of nice equations and laws that work. This just says, undetectable force works perfectly and does this.

I will concede that my theory isn't as well-supported as gravity, but I contend that that's only because it hasn't gotten the centuries of thought put into it that gravity has had the benefit of having.

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So this has no affect on anything that isn't affected by the coriolis effect?

I'm confident that once I've developed the theory better I will find other things; I already suspect that the movement of the molten rock beneath the surface is caused by coriolons somehow.

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And I meant a map. Every FE proponent has a different map. I can't tell if your solar orbit will work or not.

I guess you've met the first FE proponent that admits that we don't have a viable map, then, though I find it hard to believe.


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Come on, I can't even debate anything with what you have given me. At least gravity has everything except an exact cause. It could just be space-time warp.

So what's the mechanism for the warping of spacetime?  The only point I was making was that not knowing the mechanism doesn't make a theory unviable.

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You have yet to describe how it can spin hurricanes but does not disturb the water,

Please visit www.rif.org

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how particles from the sun can spin the hurricane the way it happens in real life,

Well, it's just what they do.

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and how the sun emits these.

It's unknown at present, but I would guess that it radiates them, as a byproduct of the awesome reactions constantly going on in the sun.


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What does the sun do that makes it so special?  It is just a fusing star, and we know that. We have done fusion experiments.

I'm not in any way implying, here, that the sun is "special", and we've never duplicated the kind of fusion the sun supposedly undergoes in a laboratory experiment.  There's still a great deal that's taken for granted about the sun, even if you subscribe to RET.

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Why haven't we noticed the mass being given off as these particles?

That would be because they're so small that they're undetectable.

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But yea, I need a map. I don't think your solar orbit works with artic and antartic days and nights or time zones.

Arctic and antarctic days and nights are still a pretty big unknown in FET.  I personally feel that the so-called "sky mirror theory" is the best explanation to be put forward so far.  I see no reason why time zones would work any differently than they do in RE.


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I need more info.

My theory is still in its infancy, but obviously I will update it as new discoveries are made.

Well I must admit, it's a theory not without imagination, I'll give you kudos for that. Though, by "observational evidence" you mean the coriolis effect?

What other evidence would I mean?

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If there was such a thing emitted by the Sun, wouldn't the effect be rather random across the planet, rather than conforming to a set pattern, as it does?

As explained above, the sun is, at all times, very close to the equator.

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Also, this also means the Coriolis Effect does not occur at night, I assume?

Sure, the same way solar energy cells stop working at night.  ::)
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2010, 03:43:52 PM »
So how does FE explain the Coriolis effect on hurricanes?

I blame what I call coriolons, tiny, unobservable particles that just slightly nudge things in one direction or the other, depending on which side of the equator you are on.  They are emitted by the sun.  Obviously my theory is hypothetical since coriolons are far too small to be seen even with the most powerful microscopes, but it's supported quite strongly by the observational evidence.

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2010, 03:45:21 PM »
So how does FE explain the Coriolis effect on hurricanes?

I blame what I call coriolons, tiny, unobservable particles that just slightly nudge things in one direction or the other, depending on which side of the equator you are on.  They are emitted by the sun.  Obviously my theory is hypothetical since coriolons are far too small to be seen even with the most powerful microscopes, but it's supported quite strongly by the observational evidence.



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