FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2010, 06:35:11 AM »
Well if they come out all glossy and impossible to see, I'll just do it tomorrow morning. There won't be any problems in daylight.
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2010, 06:50:13 AM »
Can't get a digital photo and throw it on your PC that way?


Actually yeah, I'll try and do this tonight. The only thing is that the images in the book are on 'shiny' paper, so it might be difficult to get a decent photo at night. In any event, I'll take a snap and post it this evening.

There's this thing called a light.  Turn it on before you take your picture.  If you own a computer and a scanner, I'm pretty sure you can afford lights.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2010, 07:47:33 AM »
Can't get a digital photo and throw it on your PC that way?

Actually yeah, I'll try and do this tonight. The only thing is that the images in the book are on 'shiny' paper, so it might be difficult to get a decent photo at night. In any event, I'll take a snap and post it this evening.

There's this thing called a light.  Turn it on before you take your picture.  If you own a computer and a scanner, I'm pretty sure you can afford lights.

Lights pointed at shiny stuff makes photographing them a bit tricky, especially if there is fine detail that you want to be able to make sense of (like a map).

Wilmore, if you try to photograph the map after sundown, you may want to check the color balance setting on the camera too.  Indoor lighting can cause some pretty significant color shifting that most digital cameras can compensate for.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 07:50:14 AM by markjo »
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #63 on: March 04, 2010, 10:16:55 AM »
Can't get a digital photo and throw it on your PC that way?


Actually yeah, I'll try and do this tonight. The only thing is that the images in the book are on 'shiny' paper, so it might be difficult to get a decent photo at night. In any event, I'll take a snap and post it this evening.

There's this thing called a light.  Turn it on before you take your picture.  If you own a computer and a scanner, I'm pretty sure you can afford lights.
At least Wilmore is actively responding to requests for evidence. Give him some credit.
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2010, 12:35:45 PM »
There's this thing called a light.  Turn it on before you take your picture.  If you own a computer and a scanner, I'm pretty sure you can afford lights.


Look, we already know how moronic you can be. Now you're just showing off.


The map isn't too detailed and is in black and white, but it's just a fact that glossy-paper can be a bit of a pain to photograph at night, because lights etc. tend to cast glare on the image. Anyway, it was easier than I thought it would be, so here you go:


« Last Edit: March 11, 2010, 03:34:49 PM by Lord Wilmore »
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2010, 02:30:03 PM »
The UZS proved that Africa was wider than it was long, in contradiction to popular theory.

The UZS had vastly more resources than us, being composed of Victorian Era industry titans and doctors. Without such resources I don't expect this internet-based Flat Earth Society to get much done.

The map posted above does not even have the entire continent of Africa represented.  How does this prove that Africa is wider than it is long?  You can't even see the whole land mass!

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2010, 03:38:30 PM »
Any reason they stopped there and didn't continue?

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #67 on: March 04, 2010, 03:56:15 PM »
Any reason they stopped there and didn't continue?
Because they might run into an actual continent in the southern hemisphere?
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #68 on: March 04, 2010, 04:02:08 PM »
How did they map Africa? All you said was they were rich and used 19th century technology. That's not good enough.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #69 on: March 04, 2010, 04:22:51 PM »
How the fuck is that map representative of the entire world? It shows shit all.

Excuse my french but seriously, don't tell us there is an accurate flat earth map and go posting pictures of a hand-drawn-half-of-Africa and western Europe. Piss poor effort.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #70 on: March 04, 2010, 04:26:04 PM »
How the fuck is that map representative of the entire world? It shows shit all.

Excuse my french but seriously, don't tell us there is an accurate flat earth map and go posting pictures of a hand-drawn-half-of-Africa and western Europe. Piss poor effort.
It doesn't claim to be a complete map. Wilmore was showing that at some point a group of flat earthers had the resources to try making an appropriate map. Even at that time they were unable to complete it, he might claim that it would be unreasonable to expect them to do so now. However, it is significant that the FES of that time ignored the southern hemisphere (perhaps for financial reasons), which is where all FET representation have trouble.
The completeness of the mas was clearly stated earlier in the thread. Don't get so mad at Wilmore, at least he actually produced some kind of evidence.
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #71 on: March 04, 2010, 04:41:49 PM »
Not really. It doesn't help anyone's cause at all. Except prove that they were lazy and poor [for the task they committed to].

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #72 on: March 04, 2010, 04:45:44 PM »
Not really. It doesn't help anyone's cause at all. Except prove that they were lazy and poor [for the task they committed to].
I suppose that is rather subject to interpretation. I think the point of posting this map is to show the kind of resources and man power required to actually map the Earth, and to contrast this effort to the FES's current capabilities.
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #73 on: March 04, 2010, 04:52:05 PM »
It's funny how people collectively believed the RET almost as soon as it was put out there, and yet it is so difficult to get lots of people to catch on to the FET again. It gives me hope for the species that the majority seem to have some sort of common sense.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #74 on: March 04, 2010, 05:12:04 PM »
It's funny how people collectively believed the RET almost as soon as it was put out there, and yet it is so difficult to get lots of people to catch on to the FET again. It gives me hope for the species that the majority seem to have some sort of common sense.

Then you go and see stormfront and realize that Bishop is a super genius compared to them. At least FET there is some semblance of discussion. There they don't let any good posts be posted and argue science with prejudice.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2010, 05:25:58 PM »
WTF are you talking about?

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #76 on: March 04, 2010, 05:45:24 PM »
I live in Britain and I can guarantee you it is not that shape.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #77 on: March 04, 2010, 05:49:37 PM »
I live in Britain and I can guarantee you it is not that shape.
Scotland isn't a quarter size of England? Reeeeaally?!

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #78 on: March 04, 2010, 06:16:38 PM »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #79 on: March 04, 2010, 08:09:35 PM »
Might I again point out that Tom claimed that this map proved that Africa was wider than it is long?

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #80 on: March 05, 2010, 02:11:37 AM »
It doesn't claim to be a complete map. Wilmore was showing that at some point a group of flat earthers had the resources to try making an appropriate map. Even at that time they were unable to complete it, he might claim that it would be unreasonable to expect them to do so now. However, it is significant that the FES of that time ignored the southern hemisphere (perhaps for financial reasons), which is where all FET representation have trouble.
The completeness of the mas was clearly stated earlier in the thread. Don't get so mad at Wilmore, at least he actually produced some kind of evidence.


Well the 'equator' runs through the middle of Africa, so the majority of what they mapped is in the outer hemiplane (or 'southern hemisphere').


Where's the Ice Wall?


If you look at the bottom of the map, it says "Limit of Safe Navigation" and "Ice of Unknown Extent".
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #81 on: March 05, 2010, 05:16:35 AM »
Where is their evidence that the lines of longitude diverge to that extent as you travel south? Given that they haven't got a map that goes all the way round, it must not be possible for them to know what percentage of the entire earth a division of longitude represents, and therefore they cannot assign a correct divergement of these lines.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #82 on: March 05, 2010, 08:03:35 AM »
The UZS proved that Africa was wider than it was long, in contradiction to popular theory.

http://www.runningthesahara.com/map.html

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #84 on: March 05, 2010, 11:32:36 AM »
It doesn't claim to be a complete map. Wilmore was showing that at some point a group of flat earthers had the resources to try making an appropriate map. Even at that time they were unable to complete it, he might claim that it would be unreasonable to expect them to do so now. However, it is significant that the FES of that time ignored the southern hemisphere (perhaps for financial reasons), which is where all FET representation have trouble.
The completeness of the mas was clearly stated earlier in the thread. Don't get so mad at Wilmore, at least he actually produced some kind of evidence.


Well the 'equator' runs through the middle of Africa, so the majority of what they mapped is in the outer hemiplane (or 'southern hemisphere').

The majority of that southern hemisphere work, is the ocean. They only mapped land in relation to itself and to be honest, probably took it as wrote that the earth is flat before they started measuring. With any sort of measurements, they would have ended up on a 2 d surface anyway. It doesn't really prove a point.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #85 on: March 07, 2010, 03:23:40 AM »
You want to know what that map really was?

It was a hand-drawn projection much like the ones in the Flat Earth wiki.


They didn't have access to programs that could easily make a projection, so had to do it by hand by scaling the long/lat squares from a normal map and drawing it by hand.



Hell, anyone could continue it if they got bored enough - it would still run into the same problems the current FE projects have though.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2010, 02:54:53 PM »
Where is their evidence that the lines of longitude diverge to that extent as you travel south? Given that they haven't got a map that goes all the way round, it must not be possible for them to know what percentage of the entire earth a division of longitude represents, and therefore they cannot assign a correct divergement of these lines.

If you're interested in the map and its background, order a copy of the book. Wilmore may scan a copy of the map to put online, but its background will be absent unless the book is read.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2010, 06:43:03 PM »
Where is their evidence that the lines of longitude diverge to that extent as you travel south? Given that they haven't got a map that goes all the way round, it must not be possible for them to know what percentage of the entire earth a division of longitude represents, and therefore they cannot assign a correct divergement of these lines.

If you're interested in the map and its background, order a copy of the book. Wilmore may scan a copy of the map to put online, but its background will be absent unless the book is read.

Reported for pointlessness.
Gayer doesn't live in an atmosphere of vaporised mustard like you appear to, based on your latest photo.

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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2010, 03:36:50 AM »
Don't post content lacking posts or memberate.
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Re: FES doesn't want to know the shape of the Earth
« Reply #89 on: March 20, 2010, 04:42:27 AM »
May i just remind the group that i began saving up to send Lord Wilmore on Bransons Rocket about 18 months ago (any dontation is greatly aprreciated) Only then shall we (when i say we I mean to people who think that the earth is flat even though it clearly isn't) know the truth.

I had that idea too! But I think we should get someone who actually believes the Earth is flat.