A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2010, 09:04:07 PM »
Good. I was beginning to think that most FETists were blind followers of the Bible. I'm glad to find out I was wrong.

Quite wrong, many of them are blind followers of Rowbotham.
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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2010, 09:24:38 PM »
So you're going to blindly trust somebody else's opinion?  Why don't you try judging its methods for yourself instead of pointing to an obviously biased review?
Please support your claim that the review is obviously biased. Or are you just making things up again?

They present in a style to try to make any model of the Earth that isn't round seem ridiculous. Just look at the first page. Obvious bias.

I see no obvious bias, but I fear that FEers and the FEDAs might be so paranoid as to conclude that everyone else is out to get them. Professionals in the mental health field can assist those with paranoia.

Your inability to see bias only shows your incompetence. Your personal fears are irrelevant and do not belong in scholarly discussion. Do pay attention.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2010, 09:43:59 PM »
So you're going to blindly trust somebody else's opinion?  Why don't you try judging its methods for yourself instead of pointing to an obviously biased review?
Please support your claim that the review is obviously biased. Or are you just making things up again?

They present in a style to try to make any model of the Earth that isn't round seem ridiculous. Just look at the first page. Obvious bias.

I see no obvious bias, but I fear that FEers and the FEDAs might be so paranoid as to conclude that everyone else is out to get them. Professionals in the mental health field can assist those with paranoia.

Your inability to see bias only shows your incompetence. Your personal fears are irrelevant and do not belong in scholarly discussion. Do pay attention.
I didn't think you could argue that there was bias. It's good to see you fail there again. I have expressed no personal fears, so your next point seems to miss the mark. Perhaps you should give up for the night. You seem to be failing more with each post.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2010, 09:47:00 PM »
I have expressed no personal fears
I fear
Ah, yet another contradiction. You're setting new standards right there!
hacking your precious forum as we speak 8) 8) 8)

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2010, 09:54:40 PM »
So you're going to blindly trust somebody else's opinion?  Why don't you try judging its methods for yourself instead of pointing to an obviously biased review?
Please support your claim that the review is obviously biased. Or are you just making things up again?

They present in a style to try to make any model of the Earth that isn't round seem ridiculous. Just look at the first page. Obvious bias.

I see no obvious bias, but I fear that FEers and the FEDAs might be so paranoid as to conclude that everyone else is out to get them. Professionals in the mental health field can assist those with paranoia.

Your inability to see bias only shows your incompetence. Your personal fears are irrelevant and do not belong in scholarly discussion. Do pay attention.
I didn't think you could argue that there was bias. It's good to see you fail there again. I have expressed no personal fears, so your next point seems to miss the mark. Perhaps you should give up for the night. You seem to be failing more with each post.

If I were to right an article about the French and the strength of their victories, and on the front page I had a humorous animation of the french running away, would you not assume bias?

Also, you completely fail here.

I have expressed no personal fears

Notice how just a post earlier you said:

I fear

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2010, 09:56:43 PM »
I have expressed no personal fears
I fear
Ah, yet another contradiction. You're setting new standards right there!
Way to place a quote out of context. You're setting new standards right there!

Do explain how it is out of context. Clocktower said "I fear" and then proceeded to talk about his fears.

EDIT: Lol at the delete.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2010, 10:05:06 PM »
So you're going to blindly trust somebody else's opinion?  Why don't you try judging its methods for yourself instead of pointing to an obviously biased review?
Please support your claim that the review is obviously biased. Or are you just making things up again?

They present in a style to try to make any model of the Earth that isn't round seem ridiculous. Just look at the first page. Obvious bias.

I see no obvious bias, but I fear that FEers and the FEDAs might be so paranoid as to conclude that everyone else is out to get them. Professionals in the mental health field can assist those with paranoia.

Your inability to see bias only shows your incompetence. Your personal fears are irrelevant and do not belong in scholarly discussion. Do pay attention.
I didn't think you could argue that there was bias. It's good to see you fail there again. I have expressed no personal fears, so your next point seems to miss the mark. Perhaps you should give up for the night. You seem to be failing more with each post.

If I were to right an article about the French and the strength of their victories, and on the front page I had a humorous animation of the french running away, would you not assume bias?

Also, you completely fail here.

I have expressed no personal fears

Notice how just a post earlier you said:

I fear

I stand corrected. I did use the phase "I fear" as a rhetorical instrument. I still don't see how my concerns are irrelevant.

You don't understand what bias is. If after reviewing a work, I characterize it with comical, that is not bias.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2010, 10:15:57 PM »
So you're going to blindly trust somebody else's opinion?  Why don't you try judging its methods for yourself instead of pointing to an obviously biased review?
Please support your claim that the review is obviously biased. Or are you just making things up again?

They present in a style to try to make any model of the Earth that isn't round seem ridiculous. Just look at the first page. Obvious bias.

I see no obvious bias, but I fear that FEers and the FEDAs might be so paranoid as to conclude that everyone else is out to get them. Professionals in the mental health field can assist those with paranoia.

Your inability to see bias only shows your incompetence. Your personal fears are irrelevant and do not belong in scholarly discussion. Do pay attention.
I didn't think you could argue that there was bias. It's good to see you fail there again. I have expressed no personal fears, so your next point seems to miss the mark. Perhaps you should give up for the night. You seem to be failing more with each post.

If I were to right an article about the French and the strength of their victories, and on the front page I had a humorous animation of the french running away, would you not assume bias?

Also, you completely fail here.

I have expressed no personal fears

Notice how just a post earlier you said:

I fear

I stand corrected. I did use the phase "I fear" as a rhetorical instrument. I still don't see how my concerns are irrelevant.

You don't understand what bias is. If after reviewing a work, I characterize it with comical, that is not bias.

It does not matter if the use is comical. In fact this reinforces the idea of the bias. All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

I frankly don't see how your fears would be relevant to this discussion. Further, if your statement were not a statement of your personal fears, it would be an unwarranted personal attack on FE'ers here which also is has nothing to do with the discussion.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2010, 10:23:34 PM »
It does not matter if the use is comical. In fact this reinforces the idea of the bias. All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

I frankly don't see how your fears would be relevant to this discussion. Further, if your statement were not a statement of your personal fears, it would be an unwarranted personal attack on FE'ers here which also is has nothing to do with the discussion.
It cannot reinforce what has not been shown. You claim bias, but fail to show bias.

When you suggest others go to rif.org during a debate topic is that an unwarranted personal attack?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2010, 10:33:47 PM »
It cannot reinforce what has not been shown. You claim bias, but fail to show bias.

See:
All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

People don't often use fallacies against themselves. Therefore the author is actually a FE'er that is ridiculing himself, or a RE'er that is trying to besmirch the opposition. The latter shows bias.

When you suggest others go to rif.org during a debate topic is that an unwarranted personal attack?

It absolutely is. I won't deny it.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #100 on: August 29, 2010, 10:41:02 PM »
It cannot reinforce what has not been shown. You claim bias, but fail to show bias.

See:
All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

People don't often use fallacies against themselves. Therefore the author is actually a FE'er that is ridiculing himself, or a RE'er that is trying to besmirch the opposition. The latter shows bias.

When you suggest others go to rif.org during a debate topic is that an unwarranted personal attack?

It absolutely is. I won't deny it.
You remain unable then to show bias. Ridicule is not a form of bias.

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite for using unwarranted personal attacks while calling me for the same?
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #101 on: August 29, 2010, 10:41:27 PM »
I have expressed no personal fears
I fear
Ah, yet another contradiction. You're setting new standards right there!
Way to place a quote out of context. You're setting new standards right there!

Do explain how it is out of context. Clocktower said "I fear" and then proceeded to talk about his fears.

EDIT: Lol at the delete.

Yeah, sorry about that. It's two in the morning here. Completely misread the posts.
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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #102 on: August 29, 2010, 11:18:57 PM »
It cannot reinforce what has not been shown. You claim bias, but fail to show bias.

See:
All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

People don't often use fallacies against themselves. Therefore the author is actually a FE'er that is ridiculing himself, or a RE'er that is trying to besmirch the opposition. The latter shows bias.

When you suggest others go to rif.org during a debate topic is that an unwarranted personal attack?

It absolutely is. I won't deny it.
You remain unable then to show bias. Ridicule is not a form of bias.

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite for using unwarranted personal attacks while calling me for the same?

If re-read what I posted, you'd find that while it in of itself is not bias, it can, and did, betray the author's bias.

Also, it would only be hypocritical to call you out only if I with with held treatment for myself. I do not.

I report myself each time I do it.  ;)

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #103 on: August 29, 2010, 11:30:47 PM »
It cannot reinforce what has not been shown. You claim bias, but fail to show bias.

See:
All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

People don't often use fallacies against themselves. Therefore the author is actually a FE'er that is ridiculing himself, or a RE'er that is trying to besmirch the opposition. The latter shows bias.

When you suggest others go to rif.org during a debate topic is that an unwarranted personal attack?

It absolutely is. I won't deny it.
You remain unable then to show bias. Ridicule is not a form of bias.

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite for using unwarranted personal attacks while calling me for the same?

If re-read what I posted, you'd find that while it in of itself is not bias, it can, and did, betray the author's bias.

Also, it would only be hypocritical to call you out only if I with with held treatment for myself. I do not.

I report myself each time I do it.  ;)
I disagree. Ridicule after reading a 'book' does not demostrate bias, which, by definition, must exist before reading the 'book'. The claim of 'obvious' bias is unsupported.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #104 on: August 29, 2010, 11:34:54 PM »
It cannot reinforce what has not been shown. You claim bias, but fail to show bias.

See:
All it shows is that the author wishes to present the opposition in a comical way. It would be an appeal to ridicule.

People don't often use fallacies against themselves. Therefore the author is actually a FE'er that is ridiculing himself, or a RE'er that is trying to besmirch the opposition. The latter shows bias.

When you suggest others go to rif.org during a debate topic is that an unwarranted personal attack?

It absolutely is. I won't deny it.
You remain unable then to show bias. Ridicule is not a form of bias.

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite for using unwarranted personal attacks while calling me for the same?

If re-read what I posted, you'd find that while it in of itself is not bias, it can, and did, betray the author's bias.

Also, it would only be hypocritical to call you out only if I with with held treatment for myself. I do not.

I report myself each time I do it.  ;)
I disagree. Ridicule after reading a 'book' does not demostrate bias, which, by definition, must exist before reading the 'book'. The claim of 'obvious' bias is unsupported.

What evidence do you have to support your outlandish claims? Also, I never said it existed after reading the book. It existed when the author was writing it. It is reflected in his book by his appeals to ridicule.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #105 on: August 29, 2010, 11:44:48 PM »
What evidence do you have to support your outlandish claims? Also, I never said it existed after reading the book. It existed when the author was writing it. It is reflected in his book by his appeals to ridicule.
Let's go slowly as you've seemed to have lost it. Bias is prejudice, such as deciding on how to judge a book before reading it. You, actually Roundy first, claim that the review was 'obviously' biased, but have failed to support that claim. Ridiculing an author, Rowbotham, after reading his 'book', EnaG, is not bias, rather only an expression of an opinion. You claim that the bias existed when the author was writing the review. That while writing about the 'book' the reviewer held a negative view of the 'book' does not in any way demonstrate that the reviewer had a bias, which by definition had to be before his reading of the 'book', EnaG. Please pay attention.
Keep it serious, Thork. You can troll, but don't be so open. We have standards

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #107 on: December 09, 2010, 03:10:23 PM »
Back to the original topic, I immediately see many flaws in this theory.

1. How would satellites work?
2. How do you explain the other planets?
3. How did all of this come to be in the first place?
4. Why can we not see this sphere?
5. If the sphere was constantly rotating at a rate that would give us enough force to remain on the earth, airplanes would easily be overtaken by the rotation of the sphere.

I'm sure someone will post a ridiculous answer to all of these, but it was worth a try.  :P

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #108 on: December 09, 2010, 04:42:57 PM »
Then tell me what was the motivation and what was so compelling about thinking that the Earth is round? It has been properly established long before Galilei's time (the oldest-known spherical globe dates a few years before Columbus' renowned journey), so taking into account of your claim that there was, in fact, no conspiracy present at the time, all evidence brought up in that era cannot have been maliciously intended (i.e., there was no motivation to make such evidence false).

In the late 15th century cartography was entering an exciting new time. New lands were being found. Previously uncharted islands, indeed even continents, were being added to world maps. The BGMG found a splendid way to find massive amounts of Royal funding (commissions). If you convince burgeoning world powers that their maps are completely inadequate and only a globe can accurately depict the earth, you're in for a lot of commissioned work. Add to that the fact globes became a status simple in vogue among the wealthy of the period and you have an enormous cash cow.
But this ignores (or only scrapes) the actual depth of the plan. The goal of the BGMG was not map-making or wealth from it. The goal was power. To gain influence at court led to all sorts of potential for abuse of such power. This was an age where the court was the center of power; "scientists" vied to have their ideas heard. The difference between living in obscurity and becoming a household name was a "discovery" away. Further, it was the Age of Discovery, where untold wealth might be a ship's journey away for a kingdom -- indeed this was the genesis of European imperialism. Map makers invented islands and continents to attain funding for expeditions. The closer you find yourselves to the strings of power, the more opportunity for corruption.

And certainly not all evidence from the era was malicious. It was simply fallacious. For example Eratosthenes's experiment in antiquity which assumes parallel light rays from a very distant sun was certainly not malicious.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2010, 07:11:49 PM »
Back to the original topic, I immediately see many flaws in this theory.

1. How would satellites work?
2. How do you explain the other planets?
3. How did all of this come to be in the first place?
4. Why can we not see this sphere?
5. If the sphere was constantly rotating at a rate that would give us enough force to remain on the earth, airplanes would easily be overtaken by the rotation of the sphere.

I'm sure someone will post a ridiculous answer to all of these, but it was worth a try.  :P

Firstly let me say that I don't know if I accept this model yet, but it is very interesting and I have been researching something similar recently, but haven't reached any conclusions as yet. Nevertheless some of these points apply to standard FET so I will attempt to explain them:

1. They don't. They don't work in standard FET either, the signals we receive are from broadcasting towers or high altitude aircraft. The FAQ has more on this issue if you are interested.
2. I can't answer on behalf of the OP, but in my personal view the other planets move about the sky just like the sun. Their motions are  explained by the Ptolemaic epiycle model.
3. Who can say? In RET we don't know what caused the big bang, nor can we know. It was the beginning of the universe as we know it and we can't conclude anything about what was before it, or even if there was a "before it". I don't believe any FE model has yet explained the origin of the universe, just as RET hasn't. Sure, we have the big bang model which explains how the universe came to be as a result of essentially a giant explosion of energy and matter (though the formation of our universe after this is not without some theoretical problems, but that can be discussed another time). RET cannot explain what caused this explosion which formed the universe, just as FET does not explain the origin of the universe.
4. Again, I cannot answer on behalf of the OP but in my research into the issue I was leaning toward what is called in physics a perfect black body, it absorbs all electromagnetic radiation falling on it an therefore appears as pure black despite having the sun and stars to illuminate it. Actually the perfect examples from physics class practically never find their way into real life, but it wouldn't need to be strictly perfect, a close approximation would do. Perhaps it reflects / radiates a small amount of energy back, this would explain the cosmic microwave background nicely.
5. Straightforwardly false I'm afraid. The rotation of the sphere in this model is at such a speed as to account for gravity by centripetal acceleration, planes would fly the same way in this model as they do in the standard FE model, which is the same way as they fly in RET. There is always some confusion over this issue when gravity and UA are brought up in threads, people just need to remember the equivalence principal. Essentially, gravity causes things to accelerate towards the earth, UA and the centripetal force proposed here cause the earth to accelerate towards those things instead, but the effects, to an observer here on earth, are the same. Think of filling a bucket with water and swinging it over your head rapidly. The water does not fall out because centripetal force keeps it in. If you left the bucket on the ground, the water would not fall out because the centripetal force keeps it in. The result is the same either way because the forces are equivalent despite having different causes. In this model, a plane flying would be traveling with the earth and would therefore experience the same centripetal acceleration. Just like in RET when a plane takes off, the earth does not suddenly disappear out from underneath it despite the earth rapidly traveling around the sun.
It's a proven fact, those in power are more likley to lie.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #110 on: December 09, 2010, 10:18:00 PM »


So if the Earth is this disk inside a giant sphere, and is somewhere toward the inside wall facing toward the center... How exactly does the sphere spinning cause gravity on inner facing side of this disk?

Your arrow says the disk is accelerating towards the middle of the shere.  Is the whole sphere supposed to be moving in that direction?  Rolling like a ball along a flat surface?


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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #111 on: December 09, 2010, 11:41:50 PM »

So if the Earth is this disk inside a giant sphere, and is somewhere toward the inside wall facing toward the center... How exactly does the sphere spinning cause gravity on inner facing side of this disk?

Your arrow says the disk is accelerating towards the middle of the shere.  Is the whole sphere supposed to be moving in that direction?  Rolling like a ball along a flat surface?



It is centrifugal accelleration which causes objects to fall to the earth. You can test this yourself by filling a bucket with water and swinging it reasonably quickly over your head. You will notice that the water stays in the bucket even while it is upside down, as in this instance you have generated enough centripetal acceleration to counteract earth's gravity. In this model, objects on the surface of the earth experience the centripetal force in the same way, the earth acts as the bucket in the analogy and it's curved path is caused by the giant hollow sphere it sits inside. In fact some globularist scientists have proposed this idea to produce simulated gravity on board large space stations, the station would likely be cylindrical and the centripetal accelleration would allow people to stick to the inner walls of the cylinder.
It's a proven fact, those in power are more likley to lie.

Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2010, 12:57:08 AM »
Back to the original topic, I immediately see many flaws in this theory.

1. How would satellites work?
2. How do you explain the other planets?
3. How did all of this come to be in the first place?
4. Why can we not see this sphere?
5. If the sphere was constantly rotating at a rate that would give us enough force to remain on the earth, airplanes would easily be overtaken by the rotation of the sphere.

I'm sure someone will post a ridiculous answer to all of these, but it was worth a try.  :P

Firstly let me say that I don't know if I accept this model yet, but it is very interesting and I have been researching something similar recently, but haven't reached any conclusions as yet. Nevertheless some of these points apply to standard FET so I will attempt to explain them:

1. They don't. They don't work in standard FET either, the signals we receive are from broadcasting towers or high altitude aircraft. The FAQ has more on this issue if you are interested.
2. I can't answer on behalf of the OP, but in my personal view the other planets move about the sky just like the sun. Their motions are  explained by the Ptolemaic epiycle model.
3. Who can say? In RET we don't know what caused the big bang, nor can we know. It was the beginning of the universe as we know it and we can't conclude anything about what was before it, or even if there was a "before it". I don't believe any FE model has yet explained the origin of the universe, just as RET hasn't. Sure, we have the big bang model which explains how the universe came to be as a result of essentially a giant explosion of energy and matter (though the formation of our universe after this is not without some theoretical problems, but that can be discussed another time). RET cannot explain what caused this explosion which formed the universe, just as FET does not explain the origin of the universe.
4. Again, I cannot answer on behalf of the OP but in my research into the issue I was leaning toward what is called in physics a perfect black body, it absorbs all electromagnetic radiation falling on it an therefore appears as pure black despite having the sun and stars to illuminate it. Actually the perfect examples from physics class practically never find their way into real life, but it wouldn't need to be strictly perfect, a close approximation would do. Perhaps it reflects / radiates a small amount of energy back, this would explain the cosmic microwave background nicely.
5. Straightforwardly false I'm afraid. The rotation of the sphere in this model is at such a speed as to account for gravity by centripetal acceleration, planes would fly the same way in this model as they do in the standard FE model, which is the same way as they fly in RET. There is always some confusion over this issue when gravity and UA are brought up in threads, people just need to remember the equivalence principal. Essentially, gravity causes things to accelerate towards the earth, UA and the centripetal force proposed here cause the earth to accelerate towards those things instead, but the effects, to an observer here on earth, are the same. Think of filling a bucket with water and swinging it over your head rapidly. The water does not fall out because centripetal force keeps it in. If you left the bucket on the ground, the water would not fall out because the centripetal force keeps it in. The result is the same either way because the forces are equivalent despite having different causes. In this model, a plane flying would be traveling with the earth and would therefore experience the same centripetal acceleration. Just like in RET when a plane takes off, the earth does not suddenly disappear out from underneath it despite the earth rapidly traveling around the sun.

Thank you Terra Plana, I couldn't have said it better my self. In short: This model is in most cases consistent with standard FET.

Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2010, 01:00:08 AM »

So if the Earth is this disk inside a giant sphere, and is somewhere toward the inside wall facing toward the center... How exactly does the sphere spinning cause gravity on inner facing side of this disk?

Your arrow says the disk is accelerating towards the middle of the shere.  Is the whole sphere supposed to be moving in that direction?  Rolling like a ball along a flat surface?



It is centrifugal accelleration which causes objects to fall to the earth. You can test this yourself by filling a bucket with water and swinging it reasonably quickly over your head. You will notice that the water stays in the bucket even while it is upside down, as in this instance you have generated enough centripetal acceleration to counteract earth's gravity. In this model, objects on the surface of the earth experience the centripetal force in the same way, the earth acts as the bucket in the analogy and it's curved path is caused by the giant hollow sphere it sits inside. In fact some globularist scientists have proposed this idea to produce simulated gravity on board large space stations, the station would likely be cylindrical and the centripetal accelleration would allow people to stick to the inner walls of the cylinder.

Exactly, I am afraid you have not quite grasped the model 29silhouette. A bit of physics knowledge about centripetal acceleration would probably help.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2010, 01:09:49 AM »

So if the Earth is this disk inside a giant sphere, and is somewhere toward the inside wall facing toward the center... How exactly does the sphere spinning cause gravity on inner facing side of this disk?

Your arrow says the disk is accelerating towards the middle of the shere.  Is the whole sphere supposed to be moving in that direction?  Rolling like a ball along a flat surface?



It is centrifugal accelleration which causes objects to fall to the earth. You can test this yourself by filling a bucket with water and swinging it reasonably quickly over your head. You will notice that the water stays in the bucket even while it is upside down, as in this instance you have generated enough centripetal acceleration to counteract earth's gravity. In this model, objects on the surface of the earth experience the centripetal force in the same way, the earth acts as the bucket in the analogy and it's curved path is caused by the giant hollow sphere it sits inside. In fact some globularist scientists have proposed this idea to produce simulated gravity on board large space stations, the station would likely be cylindrical and the centripetal accelleration would allow people to stick to the inner walls of the cylinder.

Oh right.  I wasn't looking at the model quite right.  The Earth is at a fixed position inside the sphere.  Big counter-weight at the opposite side I guess.

I'm guessing the other planets float around in the center area of this sphere universe, the sun does it's spotlight circle pattern thing, and the backlit 'star holes' appear in a different pattern for the southern hemisphere (outer half of the disk I take it looking at other FE models), all courtesy of bendy light?

Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2010, 09:11:04 AM »

So if the Earth is this disk inside a giant sphere, and is somewhere toward the inside wall facing toward the center... How exactly does the sphere spinning cause gravity on inner facing side of this disk?

Your arrow says the disk is accelerating towards the middle of the shere.  Is the whole sphere supposed to be moving in that direction?  Rolling like a ball along a flat surface?



It is centrifugal acceleration which causes objects to fall to the earth. You can test this yourself by filling a bucket with water and swinging it reasonably quickly over your head. You will notice that the water stays in the bucket even while it is upside down, as in this instance you have generated enough centripetal acceleration to counteract earth's gravity. In this model, objects on the surface of the earth experience the centripetal force in the same way, the earth acts as the bucket in the analogy and it's curved path is caused by the giant hollow sphere it sits inside. In fact some globularist scientists have proposed this idea to produce simulated gravity on board large space stations, the station would likely be cylindrical and the centripetal accelleration would allow people to stick to the inner walls of the cylinder.

Oh right.  I wasn't looking at the model quite right.  The Earth is at a fixed position inside the sphere.  Big counter-weight at the opposite side I guess.

I'm guessing the other planets float around in the center area of this sphere universe, the sun does it's spotlight circle pattern thing, and the backlit 'star holes' appear in a different pattern for the southern hemisphere (outer half of the disk I take it looking at other FE models), all courtesy of bendy light?
Actually, if the surface of the sphere is sufficiently thick, the star holes would be cylinder shaped sending out light in a very narrow beam. In that case a given star would only be visible in certain places from the earth, and hence explain that the night sky looks different from different places. It should be noted that this is pure speculation and is not supporter in standard FET, but it could be a possibility worthwhile investigating.

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #116 on: December 11, 2010, 04:54:48 AM »
Can you explain where we get aurora borealis, it is quite simple to figure out in the round world that it comes from radiation from sun. Do you have an answer for this

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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #117 on: December 11, 2010, 05:00:07 AM »
on your diagram at one point the whole earth is in nighttime, but in reality there is never one point where none of the earth is covered by the sun
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Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #118 on: December 11, 2010, 09:16:40 AM »
Can you explain where we get aurora borealis, it is quite simple to figure out in the round world that it comes from radiation from sun. Do you have an answer for this
See http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=18727.0

Re: A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere
« Reply #119 on: December 11, 2010, 09:18:32 AM »
on your diagram at one point the whole earth is in nighttime, but in reality there is never one point where none of the earth is covered by the sun
hey the unseen force/jackson
hi its AV   
Standard FET applies