A new Idea: flat earth in a sphere

Quote from: skeptical scientist on January 06, 2010, 09:38:07 AM

Quote from: FlatEarthInSphere on January 06, 2010, 08:35:57 AM

I think the time zone problem has been addressed elsewhere in this forum. The contribution of my theory is to explain the acceleration in a plausible way.

The time zone problem has been addressed in the standard FE model, which is different from your model. I asked how your model explains time zones. You show the sun passing below the flat Earth at night, which means that it would be dark everywhere on the Earth at once. This is clearly counter to reality, which seems to me to be a fatal blow for your model.

Well, if you prefer we can delete the sun under the earth, and use the standard FET explanation. Alternatively, we can attribute this to a conspiracy. After all it is impossible for a person to be at two places at the same time to verify time zones. He has to rely on devices prone to manipulation (telephone, tv, clock etc.). In any case, I do not see this as a fatal blow, but rather as an interesting input for further development of the theory.

So when my best friend went to Asia for the past month, and when I talked to him every other day, and he confirmed it was day when it was night here..... he was being manipulated by The Conspiracy?

So when my best friend went to Asia for the past month, and when I talked to him every other day, and he confirmed it was day when it was night here..... he was being manipulated by The Conspiracy?

Yes, that might very well be. After all you ar only hearing your friend (or seeing him on a screen if you use skype or other video conference software), your were not able to touch him so that you could verify that it was really him. I don't doubt that you had some sort of conversation with him, but the time difference could be manipulated.

That said, I have modified my theory by deleting the sun under earth since I didn't thought it to be a very important feature of the model. In stead I now assume the standard FET explanation for time differences.   

Quote from: FlatEarthInSphere on January 25, 2010, 08:43:16 AM

Well, it does not have to be a giant turtle. I allow for the possibility that there is some other elevating object. It might not even be a gigantic animal at all! It is just not possible to know what lies beneath. If the lettuce problem is  considered a major drawback here on this forum though, I am willing to alter the model here too, since it has not impact on the models ability to explain the world as we experience it.

I was just kidding with you.

Actually, I wonder how this would work with UA theory?

Good question. This would replace UA since UA is not a completely satisfactory explanation for gravity. When I look out my kitchen window I don't see energy neither being created nor destroyed, so where is the power source and when will it burn out?

People have thought of this before.  There are several examples in flat earth literature.  Truely its an age old idea, the Egyptians and native americans off the top of my head believed it.  Raa also holds it, but his work is hard to read.  Be prepared to spend some time on it, it can really be worth it.

i think, that if you are willing to believe that the earth is flat. you may as well believe that there is a flat earth in a sphere. the two are much the same really. all things considered.

by the way. have any of you flat earth people seen what is at the edge of the world? been there to see it for yourself and all that.
if you have, next time you go, would you mind taking me along with you. im terribly keen to see what the edge of the world really looks like.

i think, that if you are willing to believe that the earth is flat. you may as well believe that there is a flat earth in a sphere. the two are much the same really. all things considered.

by the way. have any of you flat earth people seen what is at the edge of the world? been there to see it for yourself and all that.
if you have, next time you go, would you mind taking me along with you. im terribly keen to see what the edge of the world really looks like.

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Quote from: mipos on August 11, 2010, 04:44:30 AM

i think, that if you are willing to believe that the earth is flat. you may as well believe that there is a flat earth in a sphere. the two are much the same really. all things considered.

by the way. have any of you flat earth people seen what is at the edge of the world? been there to see it for yourself and all that.
if you have, next time you go, would you mind taking me along with you. im terribly keen to see what the edge of the world really looks like.

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Please review the forum rules.  Contentless posting is not allowed here.

i think, that if you are willing to believe that the earth is flat. you may as well believe that there is a flat earth in a sphere. the two are much the same really. all things considered.

by the way. have any of you flat earth people seen what is at the edge of the world? been there to see it for yourself and all that.
if you have, next time you go, would you mind taking me along with you. im terribly keen to see what the edge of the world really looks like.

Righto then.

I thoroughly agree with your statements Mipos and I wish you and I luck in having our questions answered.

And if that isn't enough to meet the rules of this place...

I think Flat Earthers need to get off their ass and get some evidence to back up their statements.

The only reason Egyptians, Indians and Cavement thought the world was flat is because they didn't know better. Simple as that. We know have the tools to realise the Earth is a ball and you still discount that???

Tell me, do you still rub sticks together to make fire or don't you know what fire is yet?

is no one able to take me to the end of the earth?
has anyone seen it? what does it look like?

Buzz, please read what the report abuse is for.
It isn't so you can tell us that

This person is obviously a stupid bollock

Buzz, please read what the report abuse is for.
It isn't so you can tell us that

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This person is obviously a stupid bollock

Please, if you want to make an arguement, please for a start make sense. Please.

Thank you.

Quote from: Ichimaru Gin :] on August 11, 2010, 08:04:48 AM

Buzz, please read what the report abuse is for.
It isn't so you can tell us that

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This person is obviously a stupid bollock

Please, if you want to make an arguement, please for a start make sense. Please.

Thank you.

He's not trying to argue, but instead inform you.

I never said anything wrong. All I spoke about was that the earth is round.


Aaaaaah you see what I did there?

i am new here so what i dont get is what is the reason the conspiracy exists at all, i mean what does anyone gain over misleading people about the shape of the planet 

i am new here so what i dont get is what is the reason the conspiracy exists at all, i mean what does anyone gain over misleading people about the shape of the planet 

Once again, the FAQ and lurking will help you a lot.

In short, there is great monetary benefits to faking space flights.

Where does the moon go?

Quote from: scientistT on August 22, 2010, 09:53:51 PM

i am new here so what i dont get is what is the reason the conspiracy exists at all, i mean what does anyone gain over misleading people about the shape of the planet 

Once again, the FAQ and lurking will help you a lot.

In short, there is great monetary benefits to faking space flights.

Err, okay...  So, what was their motivation for this conspiracy in the years before space flight?

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on August 22, 2010, 11:54:01 PM

Quote from: scientistT on August 22, 2010, 09:53:51 PM

i am new here so what i dont get is what is the reason the conspiracy exists at all, i mean what does anyone gain over misleading people about the shape of the planet 

Once again, the FAQ and lurking will help you a lot.

In short, there is great monetary benefits to faking space flights.

Err, okay...  So, what was their motivation for this conspiracy in the years before space flight?

You'll never get a logical or rational response to that question.

Quote from: Ericleb01 on August 29, 2010, 04:27:12 PM

Quote from: EnglshGentleman on August 22, 2010, 11:54:01 PM

Quote from: scientistT on August 22, 2010, 09:53:51 PM

i am new here so what i dont get is what is the reason the conspiracy exists at all, i mean what does anyone gain over misleading people about the shape of the planet 

Once again, the FAQ and lurking will help you a lot.

In short, there is great monetary benefits to faking space flights.

Err, okay...  So, what was their motivation for this conspiracy in the years before space flight?

You'll never get a logical or rational response to that question.

I'm aware of that, but it's always nice to have a nice laugh with my night snack. It brightens up one's day -- or night, for that matter.

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

It's also quite likely that there is no conspiracy since spaceflight.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:24:38 PM

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

It's also quite likely that there is no conspiracy since spaceflight.

If the Earth is flat it's a near-certainty.

Quote from: markjo on August 29, 2010, 05:30:28 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:24:38 PM

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

It's also quite likely that there is no conspiracy since spaceflight.

If the Earth is flat it's a near-certainty.

Since you belive that the Earth is not flat, you reason from a false premise. Fail.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:31:17 PM

Quote from: markjo on August 29, 2010, 05:30:28 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:24:38 PM

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

It's also quite likely that there is no conspiracy since spaceflight.

If the Earth is flat it's a near-certainty.

Since you belive that the Earth is not flat, you reason from a false premise.

What I belive is irrelevant.

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

Then tell me what was the motivation and what was so compelling about thinking that the Earth is round? It has been properly established long before Galilei's time (the oldest-known spherical globe dates a few years before Columbus' renowned journey), so taking into account of your claim that there was, in fact, no conspiracy present at the time, all evidence brought up in that era cannot have been maliciously intended (i.e., there was no motivation to make such evidence false).

So why are you all denying it? It's right there in front of your faces. It's been peer reviewed and examined by hundreds and thousands of scientists since its inception. The "theory" (for lack of better words, of course) remains consistent with all scientific findings since the 1600s. And you come to tell us that it's wrong, without peer reviewed and properly analysed "evidence"?

Listen to me: if you all had some basis, scientists would have taken much more interest in the FET. Because believe it or not, our species is bent on knowledge and truth. We've depended on it to get to where we are now. To think that we would abandon this crucial pillar of our character for CAPITALISTIC GAIN is completely absurd.

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:24:38 PM

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

Then tell me what was the motivation and what was so compelling about thinking that the Earth is round? It has been properly established long before Galilei's time (the oldest-known spherical globe dates a few years before Columbus' renowned journey), so taking into account of your claim that there was, in fact, no conspiracy present at the time, all evidence brought up in that era cannot have been maliciously intended (i.e., there was no motivation to make such evidence false).

So why are you all denying it? It's right there in front of your faces. It's been peer reviewed and examined by hundreds and thousands of scientists since its inception. The "theory" (for lack of better words, of course) remains consistent with all scientific findings since the 1600s. And you come to tell us that it's wrong, without peer reviewed and properly analysed "evidence"?

Listen to me: if you all had some basis, scientists would have taken much more interest in the FET. Because believe it or not, our species is bent on knowledge and truth. We've depended on it to get to where we are now. To think that we would abandon this crucial pillar of our character for CAPITALISTIC GAIN is completely absurd.

...but where you seek that knowledge and truth (and evidence) will be key to your understanding.

Quote from: Ericleb01 on August 29, 2010, 05:40:33 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:24:38 PM

It seems likely that there was no conspiracy before spaceflight.

Then tell me what was the motivation and what was so compelling about thinking that the Earth is round? It has been properly established long before Galilei's time (the oldest-known spherical globe dates a few years before Columbus' renowned journey), so taking into account of your claim that there was, in fact, no conspiracy present at the time, all evidence brought up in that era cannot have been maliciously intended (i.e., there was no motivation to make such evidence false).

So why are you all denying it? It's right there in front of your faces. It's been peer reviewed and examined by hundreds and thousands of scientists since its inception. The "theory" (for lack of better words, of course) remains consistent with all scientific findings since the 1600s. And you come to tell us that it's wrong, without peer reviewed and properly analysed "evidence"?

Listen to me: if you all had some basis, scientists would have taken much more interest in the FET. Because believe it or not, our species is bent on knowledge and truth. We've depended on it to get to where we are now. To think that we would abandon this crucial pillar of our character for CAPITALISTIC GAIN is completely absurd.

...but where you seek that knowledge and truth (and evidence) will be key to your understanding.

The source of information does not change whether or not the information is correct or not. As I've said twice, the information remains consistent with every scientific experience known to post-16th century humans. I really don't care if the theory of everything is found by a surfer in Hawaii, as long as it remains consistent with other scientific knowledge.

What I belive is irrelevant.

I find that the word "irrelevant" is oft-used in the FET vocabulary. Are your statements so ambiguous to the point where people are going off-topic?

Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on August 29, 2010, 05:37:05 PM

What I belive is irrelevant.

I find that the word "irrelevant" is oft-used in the FET vocabulary. Are your statements so ambiguous to the point where people are going off-topic?

No.  I think people tend to go off-topic because they don't take the topic seriously.