What Conspiracy?

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What Conspiracy?
« on: November 25, 2009, 08:57:17 AM »
I've heard many FEs, when dealing with undeniable evidence for a round earth, blame the conspiracy. The conspiracy being that the government and NASA photoshop pictures and pretend that the earth is round. However, what type of government would waste time and money supporting a lie that the earth is round? What benefit would this belief in the round earth bring them? Come on FEs, answer this.

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2009, 09:01:54 AM »
The combined budgets of the world's space agencies would be the benefit.

Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2009, 09:06:31 AM »
The combined budgets of the world's space agencies would be the benefit.


What proof is there being world space agencies?

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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2009, 09:17:48 AM »

What proof is there being world space agencies?

Do the space agencies exist?  Is that your question? I suppose one could go around and look to see if they exist.  NASA claims to be located in Houston, TX, USA.  The European Space Agency is located, according to their website, at:
EAC, the European Astronauts Centre in Cologne, Germany;
ESAC, the European Space Astronomy Centre, in Villanueva de la Canada, Madrid, Spain;
ESOC, the European Space Operations Centre in Darmstadt, Germany;
ESRIN, the ESA centre for Earth Observation, in Frascati, near Rome, Italy;
ESTEC, the European Space Research and Technology Centre, Noordwijk, the Netherlands.

As for the others, I suppose you can look them up for yourself and then check to see if they're real or not. Let us know what you find out.

Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2009, 09:23:26 AM »
Okay, the combined budgets of the space agtencies. But you still didn't answer my question. I asked why would the government do this, not how. Why would the government support the conspiracy in the first place? What benefit would it bring them?

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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2009, 09:25:26 AM »
the combined budgets = a great deal of money

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2009, 09:28:04 AM »
You still arent answering the question. He is asking how they BENIFIT. they dont even make money even if they did put their money together. In the end, by your statement, they are making all this up just to waste billions of dollars.

Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2009, 09:33:01 AM »
the combined budgets = a great deal of money

Yes, that's nice and all but a combined budget they would be spending on creating evidence for a round earth i.e. they're losing money. Still no benefit from supporting the supposed round earth theory. Yup, I've just about completley destroyed the only excuse you FEs have for your flat earth theory. Face the truth, the earth is round. Or you can blame another conspiracy for this conspiracy.

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 09:37:19 AM »
You still arent answering the question. He is asking how they BENIFIT. they dont even make money even if they did put their money together. In the end, by your statement, they are making all this up just to waste billions of dollars.

If you want to believe that the combined budgets would not be a large incentive, of course that's your privilege.  I believe I have answered the question.  It's entirely up to you to accept it or not. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2009, 10:33:13 AM »
the combined budgets = a great deal of money

And they don't spend that money on research, materials, contractors...

No.

Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2009, 12:56:29 PM »
You still arent answering the question. He is asking how they BENIFIT. they dont even make money even if they did put their money together. In the end, by your statement, they are making all this up just to waste billions of dollars.

If you want to believe that the combined budgets would not be a large incentive, of course that's your privilege.  I believe I have answered the question.  It's entirely up to you to accept it or not. 

You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2009, 02:13:10 PM »
You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.

What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?

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« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2009, 02:18:01 PM »
You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.

What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?

Given that photoshop wasn't around in 1969, I'd say "photoshop".

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2009, 02:24:54 PM »
You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.

What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?

Given that photoshop wasn't around in 1969, I'd say "photoshop".

Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.

Photoshop is really just a way to do things which have been manually done in studios since the 1920's.

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2009, 02:29:06 PM »
Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.

Fish eye lenses and studio mosaics(???) are not photoshop.

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2009, 02:34:44 PM »
Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.

Fish eye lenses and studio mosaics(???) are not photoshop.

All of those tools in photoshop are digital analogies for the tools in art studios.

Photoshop is the poor man's art studio.

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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2009, 02:37:08 PM »
Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.

Fish eye lenses and studio mosaics(???) are not photoshop.

All of those tools in photoshop are digital analogies for the tools in art studios.

Like the magnetic lasso?

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2009, 02:37:45 PM »
Like the magnetic lasso?

Manually done with a scalpel.

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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2009, 02:39:16 PM »
Like the magnetic lasso?

Manually done with a scalpel.

A scalpel that sticks to the contours of an image?

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2009, 02:42:37 PM »
Like the magnetic lasso?

Manually done with a scalpel.

A scalpel that sticks to the contours of an image?

The artist does that.

See: manually

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2009, 02:45:07 PM »
The artist does that.

So it's not analogous at all. Thanks for taking part!

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2009, 02:53:12 PM »
It is the same.  If I hadn't meticulously cut around so many images with an exacto knife under a magnifying glass I couldn't appreciate the photoshop lasso so much.

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2009, 03:22:08 PM »
It is the same.  If I hadn't meticulously cut around so many images with an exacto knife under a magnifying glass I couldn't appreciate the photoshop lasso so much.

There is no art studio tool that reproduces the effect of a magnetic lasso.

Protip: "Doing it yourself" is not a tool.

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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2009, 04:15:59 PM »
The exacto knife is the tool.  Did you think I did with my fingernails?
And it takes hours and hours to do it manually, for instance a typeface.

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2009, 04:35:19 PM »
You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.

What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?

Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=5-ways-to-spot-a-fake
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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2009, 04:37:47 PM »
Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.

What if the forensic is the one making the photo?

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2009, 04:42:37 PM »
The exacto knife is the tool.  Did you think I did with my fingernails?

Is your exacto knife magnetic? Does it stick to the contours of an image?

And it takes hours and hours to do it manually, for instance a typeface.

If only there were some kind of tool that could do it a lot quicker. Hmm.

What if the forensic is the one making the photo?

But anyone can apply those techniques. Are we all in the conspiracy now?

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2009, 04:49:36 PM »

Is your exacto knife magnetic? Does it stick to the contours of an image?

If only there were some kind of tool that could do it a lot quicker. Hmm.


The exacto knife did what I made it do.  And yes, it is quicker, that's why I use a CorelDraw program now. 

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2009, 05:06:00 PM »
The exacto knife did what I made it do.

Exactly. You had to make it do it.

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And yes, it is quicker, that's why I use a CorelDraw program now. 

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Re: What Conspiracy?
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2009, 06:46:24 PM »
Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.

What if the forensic is the one making the photo?

There's always someone smarter and better that will be able to detect the fake.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.