The Flat Earth Society
Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: Janktrio on November 25, 2009, 08:57:17 AM
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I've heard many FEs, when dealing with undeniable evidence for a round earth, blame the conspiracy. The conspiracy being that the government and NASA photoshop pictures and pretend that the earth is round. However, what type of government would waste time and money supporting a lie that the earth is round? What benefit would this belief in the round earth bring them? Come on FEs, answer this.
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The combined budgets of the world's space agencies would be the benefit.
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The combined budgets of the world's space agencies would be the benefit.
What proof is there being world space agencies?
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What proof is there being world space agencies?
Do the space agencies exist? Is that your question? I suppose one could go around and look to see if they exist. NASA claims to be located in Houston, TX, USA. The European Space Agency is located, according to their website, at:
EAC, the European Astronauts Centre in Cologne, Germany;
ESAC, the European Space Astronomy Centre, in Villanueva de la Canada, Madrid, Spain;
ESOC, the European Space Operations Centre in Darmstadt, Germany;
ESRIN, the ESA centre for Earth Observation, in Frascati, near Rome, Italy;
ESTEC, the European Space Research and Technology Centre, Noordwijk, the Netherlands.
As for the others, I suppose you can look them up for yourself and then check to see if they're real or not. Let us know what you find out.
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Okay, the combined budgets of the space agtencies. But you still didn't answer my question. I asked why would the government do this, not how. Why would the government support the conspiracy in the first place? What benefit would it bring them?
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the combined budgets = a great deal of money
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You still arent answering the question. He is asking how they BENIFIT. they dont even make money even if they did put their money together. In the end, by your statement, they are making all this up just to waste billions of dollars.
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the combined budgets = a great deal of money
Yes, that's nice and all but a combined budget they would be spending on creating evidence for a round earth i.e. they're losing money. Still no benefit from supporting the supposed round earth theory. Yup, I've just about completley destroyed the only excuse you FEs have for your flat earth theory. Face the truth, the earth is round. Or you can blame another conspiracy for this conspiracy.
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You still arent answering the question. He is asking how they BENIFIT. they dont even make money even if they did put their money together. In the end, by your statement, they are making all this up just to waste billions of dollars.
If you want to believe that the combined budgets would not be a large incentive, of course that's your privilege. I believe I have answered the question. It's entirely up to you to accept it or not.
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the combined budgets = a great deal of money
And they don't spend that money on research, materials, contractors...
No.
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You still arent answering the question. He is asking how they BENIFIT. they dont even make money even if they did put their money together. In the end, by your statement, they are making all this up just to waste billions of dollars.
If you want to believe that the combined budgets would not be a large incentive, of course that's your privilege. I believe I have answered the question. It's entirely up to you to accept it or not.
You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.
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You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.
What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?
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You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.
What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?
Given that photoshop wasn't around in 1969, I'd say "photoshop".
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You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.
What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?
Given that photoshop wasn't around in 1969, I'd say "photoshop".
Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.
Photoshop is really just a way to do things which have been manually done in studios since the 1920's.
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Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.
Fish eye lenses and studio mosaics(???) are not photoshop.
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Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.
Fish eye lenses and studio mosaics(???) are not photoshop.
All of those tools in photoshop are digital analogies for the tools in art studios.
Photoshop is the poor man's art studio.
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Fish-Eye lenses and studio mosaics were around in 1969.
Fish eye lenses and studio mosaics(???) are not photoshop.
All of those tools in photoshop are digital analogies for the tools in art studios.
Like the magnetic lasso?
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Like the magnetic lasso?
Manually done with a scalpel.
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Like the magnetic lasso?
Manually done with a scalpel.
A scalpel that sticks to the contours of an image?
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Like the magnetic lasso?
Manually done with a scalpel.
A scalpel that sticks to the contours of an image?
The artist does that.
See: manually
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The artist does that.
So it's not analogous at all. Thanks for taking part!
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It is the same. If I hadn't meticulously cut around so many images with an exacto knife under a magnifying glass I couldn't appreciate the photoshop lasso so much.
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It is the same. If I hadn't meticulously cut around so many images with an exacto knife under a magnifying glass I couldn't appreciate the photoshop lasso so much.
There is no art studio tool that reproduces the effect of a magnetic lasso.
Protip: "Doing it yourself" is not a tool.
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The exacto knife is the tool. Did you think I did with my fingernails?
And it takes hours and hours to do it manually, for instance a typeface.
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You still don't seem to understand the fact that by pooling their money they would have to spend it all to create evidence of a round earth i.e. photoshopping pictures practically everyday. They aren't keeping any of the money, it's all going to be used to create evidence of a round earth. Again, they haven't gained anything, now, actualy answer the question or admit that you're wrong.
What do you suppose costs more, a space ship or a copy of photoshop?
Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=5-ways-to-spot-a-fake
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Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.
What if the forensic is the one making the photo?
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The exacto knife is the tool. Did you think I did with my fingernails?
Is your exacto knife magnetic? Does it stick to the contours of an image?
And it takes hours and hours to do it manually, for instance a typeface.
If only there were some kind of tool that could do it a lot quicker. Hmm.
What if the forensic is the one making the photo?
But anyone can apply those techniques. Are we all in the conspiracy now?
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Is your exacto knife magnetic? Does it stick to the contours of an image?
If only there were some kind of tool that could do it a lot quicker. Hmm.
The exacto knife did what I made it do. And yes, it is quicker, that's why I use a CorelDraw program now.
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The exacto knife did what I made it do.
Exactly. You had to make it do it.
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And yes, it is quicker, that's why I use a CorelDraw program now.
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Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.
What if the forensic is the one making the photo?
There's always someone smarter and better that will be able to detect the fake.
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Digitally manipulated photos can almost always be detected by forensic techniques.
What if the forensic is the one making the photo?
There's always someone smarter and better that will be able to detect the fake.
http://www.screencast.com/users/tbishop/folders/Jing/media/d5784ce2-2348-40a0-8f9b-0ddf37763b6e
Do you mean like how this fake was detected?
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http://www.screencast.com/users/tbishop/folders/Jing/media/d5784ce2-2348-40a0-8f9b-0ddf37763b6e
Do you mean like how this fake was detected?
Until you can provide a control photograph for comparison, your "analysis" remains inconclusive.
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http://www.screencast.com/users/tbishop/folders/Jing/media/d5784ce2-2348-40a0-8f9b-0ddf37763b6e
Do you mean like how this fake was detected?
Until you can provide a control photograph for comparison, your "analysis" remains inconclusive.
Feel free to take a look at the sun if you think that it is inconsistently bright.
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Okay so the conspiracy theory exists so governments can tax the people more in order to fund the "space agencies". What was the benefit in the centuries before space agencies? I'm pretty sure NASA ESA etc didn't exist at the time of Rowbotham.
If the space agencies exist purely to suck up public money that's an awful lot of people involved in the conspiracy, we're talking 1000's of companies that hold contracts with the agencies, don't forget They don't build their rockets, satellites and rovers themselves.
What about all the physicists, universities and other organisations that spend combined millions on research. Are they all in on it too, or are they just stupid?
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Okay so the conspiracy theory exists so governments can tax the people more in order to fund the "space agencies". What was the benefit in the centuries before space agencies? I'm pretty sure NASA ESA etc didn't exist at the time of Rowbotham.
People were mistaken about the shape of the earth. See: Earth Not a Globe
If the space agencies exist purely to suck up public money that's an awful lot of people involved in the conspiracy, we're talking 1000's of companies that hold contracts with the agencies, don't forget They don't build their rockets, satellites and rovers themselves.
NASA deals with relatively few government contractors to build their projects.
I wouldn't count the companies selling them bolts and computer screens as "in on it".
What about all the physicists, universities and other organisations that spend combined millions on research. Are they all in on it too, or are they just stupid?
What research?
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I know little about Science. I'm just wondering, isn't it possible to see if other planets are round or not by using a telescope?
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I know little about Science. I'm just wondering, isn't it possible to see if other planets are round or not by using a telescope?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Planets
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http://www.screencast.com/users/tbishop/folders/Jing/media/d5784ce2-2348-40a0-8f9b-0ddf37763b6e
Do you mean like how this fake was detected?
Uh... hate to break it to you Tom, but you haven't actually achieved anything there. Firstly, you're not working from an original - you're working from a copy - a compressed, digital copy at that. Secondly, you haven't proved it was a fake. You haven't revealed the back wall of a studio or a man holding the sun on the end of a boom pole. All you've shown is a how to turn a big lens flare into a little lens flare.
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And also, claiming that anyone with a photo editing programme can easily detect a fake photo was sort of our point.
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http://www.screencast.com/users/tbishop/folders/Jing/media/d5784ce2-2348-40a0-8f9b-0ddf37763b6e
Do you mean like how this fake was detected?
"Hey I messed about with this image in photoshop and now it looks fake. ZOMG!!!"
I'm still confused however Tom. One minute you're saying the fakes are so good that they can't be detected, the next you're showing us ways to detect the fakes.
And have you gone to the press with this information?
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I know little about Science. I'm just wondering, isn't it possible to see if other planets are round or not by using a telescope?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Planets
Excuse me Tom but the information in that link is absolute garbage. "Please note that the planets are moving very slowly around the sun and would not retrograde several times a day as might be implied ... Several retrogrades a year would be more appropriate".
In that model, the planets would have to retrograde several times a day, otherwise the retrograde would not be possible at all.
Another RE victory.
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"Hey I messed about with this image in photoshop and now it looks fake. ZOMG!!!"
I'm still confused however Tom. One minute you're saying the fakes are so good that they can't be detected, the next you're showing us ways to detect the fakes.
NASA's fake was detected.
The Apollo sun is really nothing more than a large studio stage light.
I know little about Science. I'm just wondering, isn't it possible to see if other planets are round or not by using a telescope?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Planets
Excuse me Tom but the information in that link is absolute garbage. "Please note that the planets are moving very slowly around the sun and would not retrograde several times a day as might be implied ... Several retrogrades a year would be more appropriate".
In that model, the planets would have to retrograde several times a day, otherwise the retrograde would not be possible at all.
Another RE victory.
The retrograde actually happens very slowly in the night sky, over a long period of time.
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NASA's fake was detected.
Of course it was. Makes you wonder what they're spending all those billions on if you can out wit them with 10 seconds of paintshop.
And have you gone to the press with this information?
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http://www.screencast.com/users/tbishop/folders/Jing/media/d5784ce2-2348-40a0-8f9b-0ddf37763b6e
Do you mean like how this fake was detected?
Until you can provide a control photograph for comparison, your "analysis" remains inconclusive.
Feel free to take a look at the sun if you think that it is inconsistently bright.
So you can't produce a control photograph for comparison. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Wow. Still no one realizes what my question is. Sure your contributions to the post were great and all but no FE has answered my question yet. I'm asking WHY the conspiracy is being held up not how. I don't care if you say they use photoshop or not, or if NASA faked the Apollo sun or if fakes can be detected or anything. That isn't important. I want an FE to tell me WHY the conspiracy is being held up. As in, for what reason, what purpose, etc. And please don't repeat "combined budgets=lots of money" 3 times. It doesn't make sense. RMcLeod did contribute to the actual topic and no, Tom, NASA doesn't just buy computer screens and bolts from other companies. And don't tell me that the rover is part of the conspiracy, here's an actual video of the rover (on earth):
So, someone, some FE actually answer the question. Or you can dodge my question and start talking about fake moon landings. It's all up to you. Really.
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So, someone, some FE actually answer the question. Or you can dodge my question and start talking about fake moon landings. It's all up to you. Really.
Like many people have noted before, Conspiracy threads get abandoned or derailed very quickly on this site. Not because the idea of a conspiracy is batshit insane, but because it's so obviously batshit insane that even the bizarre, arse-about techniques of debate employed by 'The Few' aren't enough to get around it.