Mythbusters did the moon landing

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #150 on: August 29, 2008, 10:09:39 AM »
They look worse than the photorealistic paintings.

I don't buy it.

that's the point, these photos are real!

Prove it.

Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #151 on: August 29, 2008, 10:33:37 AM »
a typical FE response. stop being so paranoid, it's annoying.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #152 on: August 29, 2008, 10:51:07 AM »
Mccain,

Since you are in the field, do you know of anybody who can forensically analyze the photos?  They are available at National Archives.  Please educate us on the subject if you know the process.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #153 on: August 29, 2008, 10:59:22 AM »
forensically analyze

read: spread the lies of the conspiracy

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« Reply #154 on: August 29, 2008, 11:03:18 AM »
forensically analyze

read: spread the lies of the conspiracy

exactly. there is no possible way I could convince anyone that the photos are real in this forum, so I can't be arsed.

anyways, I'm off to get some beer - have a good Friday night guys  :)
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #155 on: August 29, 2008, 01:28:32 PM »
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I am sure he does not, if you look at the other work he has done you will notice that none of them look anything close to the "painting" of the girl. His other works are good but they are still obvious paintings

I don't know what you're talking about. Most of his other paintings look pretty photo-realistic

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That doesn't look like a 400 year old image to me.

What tipped you off?

I swear to the lord of FE and of RE and all things holy that I had the poster labeled "Last Hot Flight" on  my wall as a youth. I had 3 of the Blackbird and I swear that was one of them.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #156 on: August 29, 2008, 01:29:59 PM »
a typical FE response. stop being so paranoid, it's annoying.

Stop being so ignorant and naive, it's annoying.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #157 on: August 29, 2008, 05:22:12 PM »
a typical FE response. stop being so paranoid, it's annoying.

Stop being so ignorant and naive, it's annoying.

ignorant?? what, believing in modern science???

fool.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #158 on: August 29, 2008, 06:31:00 PM »
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ignorant?? what, believing in modern science???

fool.

Putting your blind faith into something you've never seen or tested for yourself is ignorance, yes. Any demonstration of blind faith is ignorance.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #159 on: August 29, 2008, 10:52:24 PM »
You need to back up that statement

I have seen cameras functioning on Earth. I have not seen them functioning on the moon. What is more likely, that NASA managed to send three men out into space and film them walking on a piece of rock hundreds of thousands of kilometres away, something that I cannot directly observe, or that they simply filmed what was supposed to be the moon landing on Earth, using technology with which I am reasonably familiar?

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #160 on: August 29, 2008, 10:59:06 PM »
The world does not revolve around you. 

I never said it did.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #161 on: August 30, 2008, 12:00:07 AM »
this thread rules. lol
on a sidenote - anyone notice the irony of being a "global" moderator on a flatearth site?
nice.

for those of you so strongly doubting the mythbusters episode, it would work strongly in your favor if you at least watched the show before you so staunchly disprove it. one could make the argument that you fet'ers are indeed the naive and stubborn ones instead of the ret'ers by not doing so.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #162 on: August 30, 2008, 12:28:20 AM »
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for those of you so strongly doubting the mythbusters episode, it would work strongly in your favor if you at least watched the show before you so staunchly disprove it. one could make the argument that you fet'ers are indeed the naive and stubborn ones instead of the ret'ers by not doing so.

I saw it. It was stupid. It's available here online.

"debunking the conspirator's claim that footsteps are impossible to make in a vacuum and flags can't wave when shaken"

I mean, really? No one with education beyond Middle School claims that.  ::)
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #163 on: August 30, 2008, 12:30:38 AM »
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for those of you so strongly doubting the mythbusters episode, it would work strongly in your favor if you at least watched the show before you so staunchly disprove it. one could make the argument that you fet'ers are indeed the naive and stubborn ones instead of the ret'ers by not doing so.

I saw it. It was stupid. It's available here online.

"debunking the conspirator's claim that can't footsteps are impossible to make in a vacuum and flags can't wave"

I mean, really? No one with education beyond Middle School claims that.  ::)
I had never heard the footprint one but I have heard the flag waving theory many, many times.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #164 on: August 30, 2008, 12:44:33 AM »
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I had never heard the footprint one but I have heard the flag waving theory many, many times.

Leave it to Mythbusters to pick and choose the dumbest claims from the arsenal of evidence against Apollo.

Maybe they should actually try to explain some of the serious discrepancies such as why NASA submitted a ridiculously short 110 page proposal for a 6 billion dollar government project (other government proposals of that scale are more than 8,000 pages long according to various interviews with government contractors).

Mythbusters can also try to explain why shortly before publishing his 500 page report outing the Apollo program, former NASA safety inspector Thomas Baron and his immediate family decided to commit group suicide together by parking their sedan on a train track (his report later went missing).

If NASA is so honest and genuine, why are scientists complaining to newspapers that NASA is trying to silence them?

Watch " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this video closely and fast forward to the 1:40 mark. Why is the weight distribution of the astronauts in some of the Apollo footage so funky? The astronaut in the scene seemingly dangles above the moon and jumps up slightly without his feet being in contact with the moon's surface.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #165 on: August 30, 2008, 01:02:18 AM »
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I had never heard the footprint one but I have heard the flag waving theory many, many times.

Leave it to Mythbusters to pick and choose the dumbest claims from the arsenal of evidence against Apollo.

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Maybe they should actually try to explain some of the serious discrepancies such as why NASA submitted a 110 page proposal for a 6 billion dollar government project (other government proposals of that scale are more than 8,000 pages long according to various interviews with government contractors).

Really good writers that are concise and get to the point?  That doesn't really seem like something you can test to see if it is true or not true.


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Mythbusters can also try to explain why shortly before publishing his 500 page report outing the Apollo program, former NASA safety inspector Thomas Baron and his immediate family decided to commit group suicide together by parking their sedan on a train track (his report later went missing).

Well, his initial report (56 pages) is available and was publicly discussed.  What makes you think that the report based on his initial report would have been much different.  His initial report has about safety violations and procedural violations.  He testified before congress in open session and the records of that testimony is available.  He had a chance to make his case, and some of his points were taken seriously and led to reforms.

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« Reply #166 on: August 30, 2008, 01:05:22 AM »
Now I am guessing that you are aware that gravity on the moon is only 1/6th of the earths gravity so they only weighed about 60 pounds, so why wouldn't they seem much lighter on their feet.
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #167 on: August 30, 2008, 01:08:53 AM »
Officially Thomas Baron's death is ruled a suicide. Had he been murdered, it would have made more sense to do that before he testified and before he delivered a lengthy report to Congress. Baron had already been known to the press as a sort of whistle-blower and a critic of North American since early 1967 at the latest. To try to "silence" him three months later, after his testimony, is useless.

NASA had nothing to gain by Baron's death. North American would have had something to gain had it occurred before his testimony and report. As it happens, North American was not seriously implicated by Baron's testimony. NAA was able to substantiate that it had acted on the valid points of Baron's first report with due diligence, and was doing so when the Apollo 1 tragedy occurred.


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« Reply #168 on: August 30, 2008, 01:10:06 AM »
If we dig a big deeper, we find that Thomas Baron was merely a pawn in a much larger political game. Sen. Walter Mondale (D-MN), an avowed opponent of NASA and space exploration, used the Apollo 1 hearings to reopen the question of whether Apollo was a prudent use of the nation's resources, and arranged for Baron's testimony precisely because he thought it would illustrate the waste and mismanagement at NASA and its contractors. We doubt whether Sen. Mondale was aware of how poor a witness Baron would turn out to be.

By his own admission, Baron had been treated earlier for an unspecified nervous condition. It is likely he was not in a good state of mental health during this period.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #169 on: August 30, 2008, 01:45:23 AM »
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Now I am guessing that you are aware that gravity on the moon is only 1/6th of the earths gravity so they only weighed about 60 pounds, so why wouldn't they seem much lighter on their feet.

1/6th gravity wouldn't cause an astronaut to dangle above the surface of the moon or seem to jump without his feet touching the surface.

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Officially Thomas Baron's death is ruled a suicide. Had he been murdered, it would have made more sense to do that before he testified and before he delivered a lengthy report to Congress. Baron had already been known to the press as a sort of whistle-blower and a critic of North American since early 1967 at the latest. To try to "silence" him three months later, after his testimony, is useless.

NASA had nothing to gain by Baron's death. North American would have had something to gain had it occurred before his testimony and report. As it happens, North American was not seriously implicated by Baron's testimony. NAA was able to substantiate that it had acted on the valid points of Baron's first report with due diligence, and was doing so when the Apollo 1 tragedy occurred.

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If we dig a big deeper, we find that Thomas Baron was merely a pawn in a much larger political game. Sen. Walter Mondale (D-MN), an avowed opponent of NASA and space exploration, used the Apollo 1 hearings to reopen the question of whether Apollo was a prudent use of the nation's resources, and arranged for Baron's testimony precisely because he thought it would illustrate the waste and mismanagement at NASA and its contractors. We doubt whether Sen. Mondale was aware of how poor a witness Baron would turn out to be.

By his own admission, Baron had been treated earlier for an unspecified nervous condition. It is likely he was not in a good state of mental health during this period.

Please stop plagiarizing from Clavius.

http://www.clavius.org/baron.html

The entire website reads like NASA apologist wish wash. "Blame everyone but NASA," indeed.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #170 on: August 30, 2008, 01:52:07 AM »
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Now I am guessing that you are aware that gravity on the moon is only 1/6th of the earths gravity so they only weighed about 60 pounds, so why wouldn't they seem much lighter on their feet.

1/6th gravity wouldn't cause an astronaut to dangle above the surface of the moon or seem to jump without his feet touching the surface.

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Officially Thomas Baron's death is ruled a suicide. Had he been murdered, it would have made more sense to do that before he testified and before he delivered a lengthy report to Congress. Baron had already been known to the press as a sort of whistle-blower and a critic of North American since early 1967 at the latest. To try to "silence" him three months later, after his testimony, is useless.

NASA had nothing to gain by Baron's death. North American would have had something to gain had it occurred before his testimony and report. As it happens, North American was not seriously implicated by Baron's testimony. NAA was able to substantiate that it had acted on the valid points of Baron's first report with due diligence, and was doing so when the Apollo 1 tragedy occurred.

Please stop plagiarizing from Clavius.

http://www.clavius.org/baron.html

The entire website reads like NASA apologist wish wash.

At least it's attributable.  All we have is your word that it Didn't happen.  I'll go with publication anytime.

About your video at the 1:40 mark...fail...try full screen, you will see his feet touch the ground.  True it's on his toes, but at 1/6th g, he only weighs about 65 pounds or so.  Muhammed Ali weighed 225 at 1 g, and was bouncing on his toes during boxing matches...or jumping rope in training.

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« Reply #171 on: August 30, 2008, 01:56:55 AM »
Please stop plagiarizing from Clavius.

http://www.clavius.org/baron.html

The entire website reads like NASA apologist wish wash. "Blame everyone but NASA," indeed.

Wow, a site that agrees with my analysis.  Thank you for posting that.  I had gotten my information from the NASA site and wikipedia.  That is a much better site.

He even makes a point that I didn't.  It would have made more sense for "the conspiracy" to have killed him before he could testify.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #172 on: August 30, 2008, 02:00:36 AM »
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At least it's attributable.  All we have is your word that it Didn't happen.  I'll go with publication anytime.

If you look at the "about us" section the website admits that it's authored by people who work for the government. It's not too surprising that they would be mumbling "NASA is innocent" over and over.

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He even makes a point that I didn't.  It would have made more sense for "the conspiracy" to have killed him before he could testify.

Baron was able to testify and submit a short 50 page report before the NASA was able to notice, but unfortunately his life was cut prematurely before he was able to publish his 500 page report which went into detail about the going ons at NASA and give another testimony directly to Congress.

But I'm sure the stress from typing up his report on his keyboard drove him to kill himself and murder his family.  ::)

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About your video at the 1:40 mark...fail...try full screen, you will see his feet touch the ground.  True it's on his toes, but at 1/6th g, he only weighs about 65 pounds or so.  Muhammed Ali weighed 225 at 1 g, and was bouncing on his toes during boxing matches...or jumping rope in training.

I didn't see the astronaut jump on his toes. I've watched the video over and over now and the astronaut's weight is clearly being taken off of him a moment too soon.
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« Reply #173 on: August 30, 2008, 02:06:00 AM »
Baron was able to testify and submit a short 50 page report before the NASA was able to notice, but unfortunately his life was cut prematurely before he was able to publish his 500 page report which went into detail about the going ons at NASA.

And nowhere in his testimony, 50 pages of evidence, and numerous press interviews did he drop a hint that there was something other than safety and procedural violations happening.  Not even something that in hindsight can be interpreted that way.  Here he is trying to convince congress and the public that NASA and North American are involved in all of these activities that he doesn't like, and he doesn't mention it at all?

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #174 on: August 30, 2008, 02:10:22 AM »
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And nowhere in his testimony, 50 pages of evidence, and numerous press interviews did he drop a hint that there was something other than safety and procedural violations happening.  Not even something that in hindsight can be interpreted that way.  Here he is trying to convince congress and the public that NASA and North American are involved in all of these activities that he doesn't like, and he doesn't mention it at all?

Baron was appointed by Congress to oversee construction of the landers, rockets, and capsules. Obviously if NASA never intended to invest into building the equipment aerospace quality as advertised and instead threw them together as props the trained safety inspector Baron would have been tipped off and seen the construction and testing process as outrageous safety violations.
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« Reply #175 on: August 30, 2008, 02:13:59 AM »
I was looking at the Apollo 16 snippet where he turns around on his toes.  You were looking at the loop of Apollo 17...You still fail...he doesn't dangle in the air.  Yes he leans forward akwardly as he hands a tool off to the other guy.  Have you ever gone backpacking in the mountains, where packs can weigh 30-40 pounds?  you have a tendency to lean forward when you are extending forward.  His legs are braced properly, and the reason it looks weird is that his pack is connected to the suit.

You pick on me for using plagarizing the clavius site, and that's cool.  But to hang all of your beliefs on that piece of video isn't much better.

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« Reply #176 on: August 30, 2008, 02:23:34 AM »
Just out of curiosity...why would he write a report on safety violations on a program that doesn't exist?  If he wanted to expose the conspiracy, why didn't he just say "the Apollo Program is a complete fraud."?

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« Reply #177 on: August 30, 2008, 03:03:23 AM »
Baron was appointed by Congress to oversee construction of the landers, rockets, and capsules. Obviously if NASA never intended to invest into building the equipment aerospace quality as advertised and instead threw them together as props the trained safety inspector Baron would have been tipped off and seen the construction and testing process as outrageous safety violations.

You would think that he would have reported them as non-functioning frauds if that was the case.  He was pretty specific in his accusations.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #178 on: August 30, 2008, 05:38:25 AM »
Putting your blind faith into something you've never seen or tested for yourself is ignorance, yes. Any demonstration of blind faith is ignorance.

Watch " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this video closely and fast forward to the 1:40 mark. Why is the weight distribution of the astronauts in some of the Apollo footage so funky? The astronaut in the scene seemingly dangles above the moon and jumps up slightly without his feet being in contact with the moon's surface.

Tom, you still don't see your own hypocrisy.  You repeatedly tell us that books, pictures and videos are not trustworthy.  Any material that might provide evidence against your own beliefs is considered fake or conspiracy material.  But any book, picture or video that supports your belief is acceptable evidence to you.  If the video in question here looks strange and could possibly be interpreted as the astronaut being supported by wires, then it points to a moon hoax.  If a video of the earth from space clearly demonstrates a round earth, astronauts on the moon, or anything else you don't want to believe, it is rejected.

I've seen you and others on this forum do this over and over again.  If you want to make a good case for your beliefs then you should not be so self-contradictory. 

I'll wait here while several of you think of quick, sarcastic, or insulting comments with which to reply.

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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #179 on: August 30, 2008, 08:35:35 AM »
The world does not revolve around you. 

I never said it did.
Yes you did.  You said because you don't know something it doesn't exist. 
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