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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #120 on: August 28, 2008, 08:41:54 PM »
Quote from: ROUND000 on August 28, 2008, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 28, 2008, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: ROUND000 on August 28, 2008, 07:32:41 AM
They landed on the moon in 1969, way before they could even dream of making a false landing at Hollywood.

So they can send astronauts thousands of kilometres out into space but they can't film a couple of guys walking around in spacesuits for a few minutes?

They DID film it.  ::)

Yes, on Earth.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #121 on: August 28, 2008, 10:50:58 PM »
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Can you offer evidence that hyper-realistic artistry was in an advanced state 400 years ago?

Have you never taken an art history class and seen all of the hyper realistic paintings from the renaissance era?

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but they are still obvious paintings, very well done paintings but still paintings I did not look at one of his other paintings and then say to myself "wow that looks just like a photograph"

The author also has a photo realistic self portrait here:

http://www.drublair.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=345

"This painting won the 1988 Airbrush Excellence Award and was featured on the cover of Airbrush Action Magazine. This was an early attempt at trompe le oiel illusionism where everything, including the bulletin board and push pins, is painted."

There's also a globe earth depicted in the painting, by the way.

Here's another one he did: http://www.drublair.com/comersus/store/workshops/images/vanessacrop.jpg

Here's a similarly impressive piece from a different artist who says she painted it after attending one of Dru Blair's $500 per person classes (click on the larger version link for more detail): http://www.marissa-art.com/HOMEPAGE_E/show/showpage_09_A_E.htm
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #122 on: August 28, 2008, 10:55:47 PM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 28, 2008, 08:41:54 PM
Quote from: ROUND000 on August 28, 2008, 10:07:07 AM
Quote from: Robosteve on August 28, 2008, 07:45:34 AM
Quote from: ROUND000 on August 28, 2008, 07:32:41 AM
They landed on the moon in 1969, way before they could even dream of making a false landing at Hollywood.

So they can send astronauts thousands of kilometres out into space but they can't film a couple of guys walking around in spacesuits for a few minutes?

They DID film it.  ::)
Yes, on Earth.

You need to back up that statement 
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #123 on: August 29, 2008, 01:18:33 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 28, 2008, 02:23:53 PM
For the non-digital tools available at the time, photo realistic artistry was pretty advanced 40 years ago. Photo realistic artistry was also pretty advanced 400 years ago.

Can I see an example of one of these 400 year old masterpieces?  In all of my trips to art museums, I have seen one that I said "hmm, is that a painting or a photograph?"


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What about that one? Can you tell that the finished photo is a painting?

So it took him 80 hours to do one picture.  That is two work weeks.  One NASA mission would result in thousands of pictures.  So if we assume that there are only one thousand pictures, that is 80,000 man hours, or 2080 man years (assuming no vacations, a 40 hour work week, and weekends off).  That is only one mission.

It took Disney y years to produce the animations for the film Sleeping Beauty.  This is a company that exists to turn the work of artists into motion pictures.  NASA was, supposedly, able to make numerous films, using photo-realistic art, and make them faster than a company that was doing this for profit? 

Granted, at its height Disney "only" employed 500 animators, so this could account for the time difference.  But doesn't increasing your workforce to create the "fake" movies open you up to leaks?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #124 on: August 29, 2008, 04:06:26 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on August 28, 2008, 10:55:47 PM
You need to back up that statement

I have seen cameras functioning on Earth. I have not seen them functioning on the moon. What is more likely, that NASA managed to send three men out into space and film them walking on a piece of rock hundreds of thousands of kilometres away, something that I cannot directly observe, or that they simply filmed what was supposed to be the moon landing on Earth, using technology with which I am reasonably familiar?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #125 on: August 29, 2008, 04:11:38 AM »

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What is more likely, that NASA managed to send three men out into space and film them walking on a piece of rock hundreds of thousands of kilometres away, something that I cannot directly observe, or that they simply filmed what was supposed to be the moon landing on Earth, using technology with which I am reasonably familiar?
 
Yet you did not directly observe the three men in a studio either.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #126 on: August 29, 2008, 04:18:46 AM »
Quote from: Stabler12 on August 29, 2008, 04:11:38 AM
Yet you did not directly observe the three men in a studio either.

But I have directly observed the footage. Therefore, I know it must have come from somewhere. The simplest explanation is that it was filmed on Earth.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #127 on: August 29, 2008, 04:21:11 AM »
But you didn't  directly observe it being filmed in a studio, so how can you say with finality that it was?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #128 on: August 29, 2008, 04:24:11 AM »
Quote from: Stabler12 on August 29, 2008, 04:21:11 AM
But you didn't  directly observe it being filmed in a studio, so how can you say with finality that it was?

Because it is the most likely possibility.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #129 on: August 29, 2008, 04:31:40 AM »
Occam's Razor be damned.  A lot of FE'ers ask RE'ers to be open minded.  Why not try it yourself?  Not to insult you, but just because it's a possibility, doesn't diminish the arguments that we DID go to the moon.

Sorry if i sound snippy...sleep deprevation.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #130 on: August 29, 2008, 04:35:24 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 29, 2008, 04:06:26 AM
Quote from: sokarul on August 28, 2008, 10:55:47 PM
You need to back up that statement

I have seen cameras functioning on Earth. I have not seen them functioning on the moon. What is more likely, that NASA managed to send three men out into space and film them walking on a piece of rock hundreds of thousands of kilometres away, something that I cannot directly observe, or that they simply filmed what was supposed to be the moon landing on Earth, using technology with which I am reasonably familiar?

Should I believe that hundreds of people were part of a multi-governmental conspiracy to falsify moon landings with graphical technologies that weren't invented, or believe that the coverage, pictures and film is true? 

I will go with the one that doesn't require hundreds of people to maintain a secret for decades.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #131 on: August 29, 2008, 04:40:20 AM »
Quote from: Stabler12 on August 29, 2008, 04:31:40 AM
Occam's Razor be damned.  A lot of FE'ers ask RE'ers to be open minded.  Why not try it yourself?  Not to insult you, but just because it's a possibility, doesn't diminish the arguments that we DID go to the moon.

Of course it's possible. I just don't think it likely.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #132 on: August 29, 2008, 04:42:32 AM »
Quote from: Rig Navigator on August 29, 2008, 04:35:24 AM
Should I believe that hundreds of people were part of a multi-governmental conspiracy to falsify moon landings with graphical technologies that weren't invented, or believe that the coverage, pictures and film is true? 

I will go with the one that doesn't require hundreds of people to maintain a secret for decades.

I don't see why more than ten people would need to be in on it.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #133 on: August 29, 2008, 04:50:08 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 29, 2008, 04:42:32 AM
I don't see why more than ten people would need to be in on it.

Well, ten people wouldn't be enough to fake all of the images necessary for publication, and provide all of the fake graphics necessary for display to Mission Control.  (see the above post that calculates the number at over 1000)

Then you have the three astronauts themselves.

There is the recovery of the astronauts and the initial capsule, plus recovery at the end of the mission.

You have to have people responsible for creating the capsule that has experienced reentry.

There are the people that are responsible for setting up the communication links to remote monitoring stations (Australia, etc) that monitor carrier signals from the spacecraft.

I haven't even touched on senior management that would need to be informed.


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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #134 on: August 29, 2008, 04:50:23 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 29, 2008, 04:42:32 AM
Quote from: Rig Navigator on August 29, 2008, 04:35:24 AM
Should I believe that hundreds of people were part of a multi-governmental conspiracy to falsify moon landings with graphical technologies that weren't invented, or believe that the coverage, pictures and film is true? 

I will go with the one that doesn't require hundreds of people to maintain a secret for decades.

NASA Mission control had more than 10 people manning it...not to mention all the workers at Cape Canaveral.

I don't see why more than ten people would need to be in on it.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #135 on: August 29, 2008, 05:03:50 AM »
Quote from: Robosteve on August 29, 2008, 04:40:20 AM
Quote from: Stabler12 on August 29, 2008, 04:31:40 AM
Occam's Razor be damned.  A lot of FE'ers ask RE'ers to be open minded.  Why not try it yourself?  Not to insult you, but just because it's a possibility, doesn't diminish the arguments that we DID go to the moon.

Of course it's possible. I just don't think it likely.

You know, If it was just Apollo 11 that we are talking about here...I MIGHT buy it.  But to do it again and again(well 13 got jacked up) and again and again and again and again Each having its own specific mission and Apollo 15 leaving the refractors on the surface.  I just don't see how you can call that more likely.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #136 on: August 29, 2008, 05:11:47 AM »
All of the personnel on the Aircraft carrier had to be bought off as well...
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #137 on: August 29, 2008, 05:30:39 AM »
My father is employed by the NSA...and their take on Conspiracy Theorist are just that.  Its a theory, not based on actual fact, but by belief of those who believe in it.

Moon Hoax believers have made it their mission in life to deny the veritable tsunami of evidence that the landings were real. That includes all the pictures taken by the astronauts themselves.

Once you stick your fingers in your ears and start saying "LALALALALA I can’t hear you" all bets are off, and no amount of evidence will help.

These type of people are ignorant, but would rather believe and put their false hope into a stupid theory, which can't explain everything about the Universe and how things work.  I don;t have to disprove their theory, why?

Because if they were right in believing the earth is flat, well then by all scientific means, we would not really exist, we couldn't exist, as a flat Earth would not be able to sustain life as we know it.

So to all you non-believers, and naysayers, go ahead, keep believing what you want, as far as I am concerned, your no smarter than an infant.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #138 on: August 29, 2008, 07:10:10 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 28, 2008, 10:50:58 PM
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Can you offer evidence that hyper-realistic artistry was in an advanced state 400 years ago?

Have you never taken an art history class and seen all of the hyper realistic paintings from the renaissance era?

I have, but that soft of course was college freshman stuff and long forgotten.  No, I don't recall any renaissance era hyper-realistic paintings, nor have I seen any in museums.  Can you post a link to some please?

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But I have directly observed the footage. Therefore, I know it must have come from somewhere. The simplest explanation is that it was filmed on Earth.
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I agree with you.  I didn't witness the Indian Tsunami or its aftermath either.  Likely it was just a ratings stunt done by the tv networks and the Red Cross.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #139 on: August 29, 2008, 07:24:39 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on August 28, 2008, 06:00:13 PM

Nope. The second one was featured on the cover of Air Magazine.

http://www.drublair.com/comersus/store/tica.asp

Tom Bishop is still not learning to look at his own cited material! Dru Blair says he is capable of painting a woman so perfectly it looks like a photo, and the proof is... Dru Blair saying he is featured in a magazine called Air Magazine!

Look at the url of Tom's "proof": www.drublair.com

I do not care to argue for or against someone's capability to make a perfect painting. But when people say this is done with an airbrush, their ignorance or attempt to deceive is evident. Everyone that has bought a Playboy and looked at the centerfold pictures knows that the airbrush is good for the exact opposite that Dru Blair is arguing: to eliminate the small imperfections of a real photograph, giving the appearance of porcelain skin.

Either Tom has never seen an airbrush or he thinks we all are ignorant.

By the way, has somebody seen this magazine in a bookstore, or read a copy, or seen a reference of the magazine someplace other than Dru Blair's page?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #140 on: August 29, 2008, 09:32:57 AM »
I've been studying Graphic Design for years now, completed my degree 3 years ago so I know a hell of allot in this field - and there is absolutely no way they (NASA) would (could) fake thousands of images in such a short space of time. It's complete rubbish, sorry.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #141 on: August 29, 2008, 09:40:45 AM »
Quote from: Bumstain McCain on August 29, 2008, 09:32:57 AM
I've been studying Graphic Design for years now, completed my degree 3 years ago so I know a hell of allot in this field - and there is absolutely no way they (NASA) would (could) fake thousands of images in such a short space of time. It's complete rubbish, sorry.

Your avatar shows it.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #142 on: August 29, 2008, 09:43:28 AM »
thought you might find these interesting:








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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #143 on: August 29, 2008, 09:44:21 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 29, 2008, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Bumstain McCain on August 29, 2008, 09:32:57 AM
I've been studying Graphic Design for years now, completed my degree 3 years ago so I know a hell of allot in this field - and there is absolutely no way they (NASA) would (could) fake thousands of images in such a short space of time. It's complete rubbish, sorry.

Your avatar shows it.

nice one, have a biscuit.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #144 on: August 29, 2008, 09:47:08 AM »
Quote from: Bumstain McCain on August 29, 2008, 09:44:21 AM
Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 29, 2008, 09:40:45 AM
Quote from: Bumstain McCain on August 29, 2008, 09:32:57 AM
I've been studying Graphic Design for years now, completed my degree 3 years ago so I know a hell of allot in this field - and there is absolutely no way they (NASA) would (could) fake thousands of images in such a short space of time. It's complete rubbish, sorry.

Your avatar shows it.

nice one, have a biscuit.

Only if it's as delicious as this thread.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #145 on: August 29, 2008, 09:55:45 AM »
Quote from: Bumstain McCain on August 29, 2008, 09:43:28 AM
thought you might find these interesting:

What are these images supposed to demonstrate?
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #146 on: August 29, 2008, 09:58:36 AM »
that you are wrong
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #147 on: August 29, 2008, 10:01:54 AM »
I dont see how they support that position.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #148 on: August 29, 2008, 10:02:30 AM »
They look worse than the photorealistic paintings.

I don't buy it.
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Re: Mythbusters did the moon landing
« Reply #149 on: August 29, 2008, 10:06:04 AM »
Quote from: Hara Taiki on August 29, 2008, 10:02:30 AM
They look worse than the photorealistic paintings.

I don't buy it.

that's the point, these photos are real!
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