Moon Radar Bounce

  Really interesting discussions here.. And I was wondering if someone can help me with this... you see there have been radar signals transmitted from earth towards the moon, and the reflected signals received and the round trip timed. Then a little math concerning the speed of light is worked out. All of which suggests the moon is roughly 250,000 miles away. How does this reconcile with FE logic.  I'd really really appreciate an explanation.

Did you do it?

Hi Logician, no I didn't do it... I think I read about it somewhere in a newspaper or magazine. From memory the big dish in Puerto Rico was used.

Did you do it?

Actually my boss and his boss does it. They're radio geeks and bounce signals off the moon all the time.

  Really interesting discussions here.. And I was wondering if someone can help me with this... you see there have been radar signals transmitted from earth towards the moon, and the reflected signals received and the round trip timed. Then a little math concerning the speed of light is worked out. All of which suggests the moon is roughly 250,000 miles away. How does this reconcile with FE logic.  I'd really really appreciate an explanation.

Answer? Easy, you're lying. That's the response you're going to get from EVERY FEer on this site.

If you guys would stop lying, we FE'ers wouldn't have to say that over and again.

From memory the big dish in Puerto Rico was used.

well from my memory that satellite in puerto rico supposably was underwater and no one knew it existed until it surfaced to reposisition the goldeneye satellites but thats when james bond infiltrated and basically destroyed the whole thing singlehandedly do you believe that happenened? that jsut goes to show you cant believe everything you see

Well research from sources I trust, including sources having the confidence of a huge number of historical and contemporary persons internationally recognised for high integrity, indicates that radar and other emr echoes from the moon have over decades been employed to measure earth/lunar distances (and distances to other interplanetary bodies) and results/conclusions have consistently agreed with my previous statement. Yet I am willing to look at other observations or evidence (indeed would be grateful for it) that supports a contrary notion.
 
Best wishes to all, and keep up the good work! 

No one has bounced radar off of the moon's surface. Stop making stuff up.

Stop touching yourself at night! 

No one has bounced radar off of the moon's surface. Stop making stuff up.

And you know this for a fact because....

And you know this for a fact because....

I know it for a fact because you guys have yet to prove or demonstrate that Radar has been bounced off the moon.

What would it take to prove it?

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And you know this for a fact because....

I know it for a fact because you guys have yet to prove that Radar has been bounced off the moon.

And you have yet to prove that you have ever taken a bath.  What's your point?

What would it take to prove it?

You can start by pointing your satellite dish at the moon and bouncing a Radar wave off of it.

Hi Tom
Well, I can start, and in fact align a dish with the Moon and bounce a radar wave to and from it, actually microwaves to and from it.  Sadly, mine is not a satellite dish, it is a terrestrial dish; a rather large one capable of transmitting millisecond kilowatt bursts...and receiving microvolt returns... Thank goodness for my old CRO (cathode ray oscilliscope)...After all, we are interested in Earth/Moon distances here, not Earth Orbit/Moon distances. Are you interested in assisting analysis of data returned?

Cheers to all in truth and fiction!    

Lets see the data which proves that you bounced a signal off of the moon.

Lets see the data which proves that you bounced a signal off of the moon.

I'm going to bounce my magical brain activity lazers off of your thick skull pretty soon.

That has to be one of the best comebacks I've ever seen.

Lets see the data which proves that you bounced a signal off of the moon.

Let's see proof that you've spotted people on a beach thirty-three miles away from you.

"Lets see the data which proves that you bounced a signal off of the moon."

Good grief Tom...
Data collected from the experiment alone does not endorse the efficacy of the experimental apparatus. Which is another issue altogether. I would have thought you were aware of that. Perhaps I'm wasting my time with you. Perhaps there is another advocate of FE who better understands cause and effect; I would wish for that...and, forever the optimist, I observe in hope.

So in other words you don't have any data?

So in other words you don't have any data?

There are plenty of examples of amateur radio enthusiasts bouncing radio signals off the moon.  Here is a previous thread.

There are many "stations" that are produced by amateurs and can be received by anyone with the right equipment and a clear view of the moon.

FE does not have an answer for this observation, other than along the lines of "there must be something else slowing the waves down".

Hi Tom
Ref Lunar Radar Echoes Lunar Orbit Distance:
We are beneath a gibbous moon as we speak. There are tonnes of data out there consistant with a lunar orbit of roughly 250,000 miles or roughly 380,000 odd kilometers. But it is not my data. If I accumulate and distribute my data (by reconfiguring my dish/apparatus from passive radio astronomy, mostly solar, to active radar) would you accept the data? Reason I ask is that I would need to, again, borrow equipment (2000 MHz magnatron, High-power RF microwave cavity amplifier... especially a HIGH-POWER L PULSE AMPLIFIER, Low loss co-ax cable, etc...)

So, I ask again, I can provide the data, after considerable effort, but will you accept my data as given, or will you doubt my word re data provided? (In which case, what is the point of the exercise/effort?)       

Don't waste your time.  Tom would never ever accept any data that goes against his flat earth ideas.

Surley  not...You would accept data accurately collected and honestly provided even shoud it not support FE dogma...wouldn't you Tom?

So in other words you don't have any data?

Try it yourself?

Surley  not...You would accept data accurately collected and honestly provided even shoud it not support FE dogma...wouldn't you Tom?

If you can show data proving that you can bounce a signal off of the moon's surface, I see not reason why it should be rejected.

Try it yourself?

How am I to do something which is impossible? 

How am I to do something which is impossible?   

Get a ham radio. It's perfectly possible to receive moonbounce signals. My bosses do it all the time.

So I say again, try it yourself.

Get a ham radio. It's perfectly possible to receive moonbounce signals. My bosses do it all the time.

So I say again, try it yourself.

Why should I bother doing any of that when I already know for a fact that it cannot be done?