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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #240 on: February 16, 2008, 07:51:20 PM »
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Quote from: divito the truthist on February 16, 2008, 06:02:55 AM
Quote from: Benocrates on February 16, 2008, 12:11:50 AM
The onus is on the FEers, you have to actually provide the evidence.

BoP is on whoever makes the claim. As it turns out, more REers make claims on here than FEers.
But the FE'ers make the more important claim that deviates from common knowledge. Saying "color blind people actually see more color", on a new site dedicated to this concept is a deviating and important claim; if 500 people come to claim they are wrong, the burden of proof isn't shifted on them because of their size. The burden of proof shouldn't be placed on the general understanding or common knowledge, but on the site and question that is reaching to a new definition of reality to assert that common knowledge is wrong. Simply put, FE pulls away from RE first, meaning it must have reasons to do so.
Presenting those reasons wouldn't be hard if they existed and FE was valid.

Except Flat Earth theory was generally accepted as fact long before RE theory was even a fringe group. The burden of proof remains on RE.

Quote from: fshy94 on February 16, 2008, 07:05:12 PM
At any rate, does anyone have an explanation for the ships I pointed out as well? The only one that accounts for both is now Ltar's semi-serious contribution of wormholes...

It wouldn't be the first time a major breakthrough was discovered by accident.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #241 on: February 16, 2008, 08:02:52 PM »
Except the BoP then was satisfied. Your FET has several distinctions from the old one, including shape(they thought it was rectangular), size, and so on.

And, this is besides the point. Does anyone have a logical answer? Dogplatter and Tom, I'm wanting your explanation on the ships.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #242 on: February 17, 2008, 10:18:34 PM »
Quote from: fshy94 on February 16, 2008, 08:02:52 PM
Except the BoP then was satisfied. Your FET has several distinctions from the old one, including shape(they thought it was rectangular), size, and so on.

Exactly, these new theories on Universal Accelerators and the other nonsense are new and have yet to be substantiated, at least on this site. Its fine if you decide to have your beliefs but when you engage in a debate there must at least be some proof on both sides. The way I see it in this particular debate is that the RE camp has submitted aviation evidence for a RE model. It is as strong as possible without having anyone actually taking these measurments. Considering the FE camp is not out there doing their own experiments this evidence will have to suffice. So, the FE camp dismissed the RE evidence, being explained by mysterious jet streams and other supernatural phenomenon with no evidence beyond their own conjecture.

Forgetting the jurisdiction issues of burden of proof we can agree on an evidence for evidence exchange. The RE camp has presented its evidence on North/South air travel as well as their conjecture on sea travel (anyone find evidence for this?). I think it is the FE sides turn to give their evidence for air travel and conjecture for sea travel.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #243 on: February 18, 2008, 01:29:29 PM »
Yes I did find evidence on ships. I don't have enough time to analyze all of this though, there's an insane amount of data.

Quote from: fshy94 on February 14, 2008, 11:15:40 AM
I found this site, but don't have the time to analyze it all. Can someone help out?

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

Quote from: fshy94 on February 14, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
Thanks ;D

To make my point, there's a ton of data in there(in fact, its one of my new favorite sites...), and one example is the Oceanographic research ships James Clark Ross, and Nathan B Palmer. They are recorded as having moved 100 RE miles in around 36 hours, and yet in FE, they must have moved around 1000 miles. Or look at CSCL LONGKOU, a container ship, that in RE traveled 350 miles in one day, and yet in FE miles must have traveled approximately 1500 miles per day, approximating a speed of over 60 MPH, an astounding feat for a cargo ship...there's probably tons more, these are just a few that I found within a few minutes research delving in there. There's a load more.

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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #244 on: February 19, 2008, 05:42:59 PM »
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #245 on: February 20, 2008, 11:14:54 AM »
Why bump?
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #246 on: February 22, 2008, 02:34:42 PM »
Quote from: fshy94 on February 18, 2008, 01:29:29 PM
Yes I did find evidence on ships. I don't have enough time to analyze all of this though, there's an insane amount of data.

Quote from: fshy94 on February 14, 2008, 11:15:40 AM
I found this site, but don't have the time to analyze it all. Can someone help out?

http://www.sailwx.info/shiptrack/shiplocations.phtml

Quote from: fshy94 on February 14, 2008, 05:31:55 PM
Thanks ;D

To make my point, there's a ton of data in there(in fact, its one of my new favorite sites...), and one example is the Oceanographic research ships James Clark Ross, and Nathan B Palmer. They are recorded as having moved 100 RE miles in around 36 hours, and yet in FE, they must have moved around 1000 miles. Or look at CSCL LONGKOU, a container ship, that in RE traveled 350 miles in one day, and yet in FE miles must have traveled approximately 1500 miles per day, approximating a speed of over 60 MPH, an astounding feat for a cargo ship...there's probably tons more, these are just a few that I found within a few minutes research delving in there. There's a load more.



Me wants to hear Tom Bishops and Dogplatter's response to this.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #247 on: February 23, 2008, 02:35:28 PM »
It won't be anything worth reading.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #248 on: February 23, 2008, 05:33:14 PM »
Quote from: fshy94 on February 22, 2008, 02:34:42 PM


Me wants to hear Tom Bishops and Dogplatter's response to this.

That's not proof of anything.  Were you on any of these ships yourself?
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #249 on: February 23, 2008, 08:30:55 PM »
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Why would anyone want to cover up the shape of the earth? That's stupid.

This may just be signature worthy.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #250 on: February 27, 2008, 12:25:42 PM »
Aye. Bumped for Dogplatter/Username/Tom Bishop.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #251 on: February 27, 2008, 12:58:32 PM »
I'm sure doggplatter will claim it uses Ohms law or something. 
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #252 on: February 27, 2008, 01:16:07 PM »
You want to hear a response to your made-up numbers?
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #253 on: February 27, 2008, 01:39:00 PM »
I erred on the side of FE. You cannot dispute my distances, because I was careful with them. I am careful to use things on the opposite sides of the world, so that if you claim the continents are closer on one side, they must be expanded on the other. Either way, you lose. Unless you are claiming, as for some reason people never answer, that the tropics may be concentric, and yet have equal distances...
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #254 on: February 27, 2008, 11:41:58 PM »
I'm just not sure why you add so much distance. Flight paths are curved in both models.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #255 on: February 28, 2008, 08:11:54 AM »
Quote from: divito the truthist on February 27, 2008, 11:41:58 PM
I'm just not sure why you add so much distance. Flight paths are curved in both models.
Why would they curve on a flat earth? 
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #256 on: February 28, 2008, 08:52:55 AM »
They curve almost the same way as on a RE. If I'm not mistaken, their definition is that when you travel in a "straight" line on FE you are actually going in a circle due to the magnetic pull of the north pole. So as you go around a RE you also go around a FE in almost the same fashion. Their equator is a circle similar to the RE equator.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #257 on: February 28, 2008, 08:56:58 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on February 27, 2008, 12:25:42 PM
Aye. Bumped for Dogplatter/Username/Tom Bishop.
I don't really have time to write a program or manually examine this data, unfortunately.  If it is indeed legitimate, of course.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #258 on: February 28, 2008, 10:04:18 AM »
Quote from: sokarul on February 28, 2008, 08:11:54 AM
Why would they curve on a flat earth? 

In order to get to their destination and follow their maps, they would fly a curved path.

In RE, their paths are also curved, just not in the same way.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #259 on: February 28, 2008, 10:07:38 AM »
Yes, but in RE, the curve shortens the distance. In FE, it lengthens it. On a globe, its the fastest way, on a FE, a straight line is the way to go... And the curvature isn't the main thing with the distance. It's the fact that the tropics are concentric, which means distances go waaay up as we go to the Southern hemisphere.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #260 on: February 28, 2008, 10:11:17 AM »
Quote from: fshy94 on February 28, 2008, 10:07:38 AM
In FE, it lengthens it.

Really? I don't believe you have any evidence to suggest the curve experienced is any larger or further than the curve experienced on RE.

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It's the fact that the tropics are concentric, which means distances go waaay up as we go to the Southern hemisphere.

They'll go up, yes.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #261 on: February 28, 2008, 10:25:42 AM »
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In FE, it lengthens it.

Quote from: Dvitio: Really? I don't believe you have any evidence to suggest the curve experienced is any larger or further than the curve experienced on RE.


I believe what he means is that traveling in a straight line in FE is shorter than using a curve. He didn't say that the FE curve is longer or shorter than the RE curve.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #262 on: February 28, 2008, 10:27:12 AM »
Look, lets say the radius of our inner circle is 3112 miles, mkay? So what's its circumference? 6114pi, right? Now, the second circle, the other tropic, is around 9336 miles, so its now 18672pi or something, right? Now, divide, and you get 4x just at the tropics. Now lets say we go to our little thing over at very close to the North Pole, and all the way to the South of the Earth. It's going to get bad, isn't it? And yet, in RE, the two are equal. So, if a ship down all the way near Antarctica is going in RE speed of about 20-30 knots, in FE, it must be going at 80-120 knots, at the very least, yes? Probably far more. And Char70ger is right about what I mean.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #263 on: February 28, 2008, 10:35:19 AM »
Well it's obvious that in FE that a straight line would be shorter. I really don't see how that's a point against anything.

As far as I remember, the FE uses the same equatorial distance, being 7922 miles. Only after the equator will distances be much different.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #264 on: February 28, 2008, 10:41:24 AM »
Not possible. In order to do that, you must claim that the distances on the U.S. are halved, or to rearrange the continents to make that happen, you have to completely disappear the North Pacific and the North Atlantic, or at least make them swimming pools. Seriously, half the distances there, and watch what happens...its messy.

That's not really a point against anything with the curves, but unless you claim that the planes don't curve, then its extra distance, seeing as my measurements assumed a perfectly straight flight path on FE, and it still didn't work.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #265 on: March 12, 2008, 11:01:41 AM »
Sorry to be a necromancer, but meh. Bumped for Dogplatter, Tom Bishop, and possibly Username if his model is done by now.
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #266 on: March 13, 2008, 12:58:09 PM »
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #267 on: March 13, 2008, 02:36:21 PM »
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #268 on: March 19, 2008, 12:14:59 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on January 17, 2008, 09:16:41 AM
If NASA has never been to space and simply fakes their data to win the space race/get funding/maintain the illusion of America's militaristic domination of space, then how would they know that the earth is flat?

NASA has never been to space therefore they cannot know that the Earth is flat.

Contrapositived!

Tom knows the Earth is flat, therefore Tom has been to space!

What was it like!?
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Re: The all-new conspiracy theory!
« Reply #269 on: April 19, 2008, 01:01:41 PM »
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