Globe Earth debunk

you want me to provide you with a definition of entropy...okay...

Entropy is the tendency for things to fall into a state of disorganization...

Go on, tell us what that has to do with contradicting the idea that "the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours."

Don't insinuate an argument. Boldly proclaim it!

PS, round earthers don't believe that the earth has been spinning at a constant speed for millions of years.  But I don't think that can be attributed to an aspect of thermodynamics. 
PPS, you might want to brush up on the conservation of angular momentum before you find your foot in your mouth.  (Don't worry, it happens to the best of us.)

the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours

No, due to gravitational interactions with the moon and the motion of techtonic plates and the like it has not been constant.
It has changed very little, but not much.

despite the contradicting laws of thermodynamics(like entropy) which clearly tell us such an idea would be utter nonsense.

And which contradicting laws would that be?
Don't just provide a name, clearly identify what law it is and why it means that.
I'll give you a clue, entropy is not a law which contradicts a rotating Earth.
Entropy isn't a law, it is a property.
It is a function of the number of possible microstates for a given macrostate.

I assume you mean the second law of thermodynamics which states that the total entropy of an isolated system must never decrease?

Please tell us what this isolated system is, and how Earth continuing to rotate will decrease the entropy of the system (note: Not just not increase it, but decrease it).

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It is amazing these great minds of science located here at a flat earth forum can make such astounding claims, like the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours, despite the contradicting laws of thermodynamics(like entropy) which clearly tell us such an idea would be utter nonsense.

Another flat earther talking crap about the laws of thermodynamics.

If there was a problem with the heliocentric model and the laws of thermodynamics, someone would have noticed very quickly.  There isn’t though.  You are just making up whatever suits your argument.

I notice your inability to actually write about entropy.

It's quickly fading.

Hard to write "it is quickly fading..." when it was never apparent to begin with.

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Quote from: totallackey on January 23, 2020, 04:49:55 AM

It is amazing these great minds of science located here at a flat earth forum can make such astounding claims, like the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours, despite the contradicting laws of thermodynamics(like entropy) which clearly tell us such an idea would be utter nonsense.

Another flat earther talking crap about the laws of thermodynamics.

If there was a problem with the heliocentric model and the laws of thermodynamics, someone would have noticed very quickly.  There isn’t though.  You are just making up whatever suits your argument.

I notice your inability to actually write about entropy.

Hahaha!

Do you think just writing  “thermodynamics (like entropy)” demonstrates your deep understanding of the subject?

Nope.

Quote from: Unconvinced on January 23, 2020, 07:42:06 AM

Or do you just expect me explain in detail why a claim you pulled out your arse is rubbish?

That would be good.

Quote from: Unconvinced on January 23, 2020, 07:42:06 AM

Sorry, no.  Find a credible citation, then we can talk.

Oh, I see...

you want me to provide you with a definition of entropy...okay...

Entropy is the tendency for things to fall into a state of disorganization...

Quote from: Unconvinced on January 23, 2020, 07:42:06 AM

Or if you just personally don’t understand it, feel free to ask.  But you not understanding something does not make it a “law of thermodynamics”.

Why would you attribute laws of thermodynamics to me?

I didn't write them.

They were formed on visible, verifiable facts, unlike the crapola you believe.

For God’s sake.

Please provide a citation for why the entropy (or anything else in thermodynamics) contradicts the scientifically accepted motion of the earth.  Or at least explain your reasoning.

Do you even realise you’ve skipped over the whole link between the one thing and the other.

I could just as easily say that Ohm’s law disproves the existence of God.  It’s about the same amount of justification you’ve given me for your claim.

Oops.

It is amazing these great minds of science located here at a flat earth forum can make such astounding claims, like the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours, despite the contradicting laws of thermodynamics(like entropy) which clearly tell us such an idea would be utter nonsense.

Except that:

• The Earth is not rotating at "one revolution per 24 hours" even now.
  It is rotating at one revolution in close to 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4.09 seconds.
  
  
• Long ago the Earth was apparently rotating quite a deal faster:
  
  Quote from: MICHELLE STARR5 JUN 2018

  Days on Earth Really Are Getting Longer Thanks to The Moon - They Used to Be Just 18 Hours
  Time seems to move faster as we age, but it turns out that maybe the opposite is true: our days on Earth are getting longer over time, and it's all thanks to the Moon's effect on our planet's rotation.
  
  But don't go planning your extra sleep-ins just yet. A new study has traced the relationship between Earth and the Moon back 1.4 billion years, and found that, all the way back then, a day was just over 18 hours.
  
  That means we've gained an extra six hours, give or take, since then - or, on average, a very unnoticeable 0.00001542857 seconds a year.
  
  And the reason is because the Moon is constantly, and ever-so-slightly, moving away from us. 1.4 billion years ago, it was a fair bit closer, and Earth's rotation was faster.

So what about "the laws of thermodynamics (like entropy)"? The Earth-Moon system did have kinetic energy converted into heat energy. Where is your entropy problem again?

It is amazing these great minds of science located here at a flat earth forum can make such astounding claims, like the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours, despite the contradicting laws of thermodynamics(like entropy) which clearly tell us such an idea would be utter nonsense.

RE does not make this claim.

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Quote from: totallackey on January 23, 2020, 04:49:55 AM

It is amazing these great minds of science located here at a flat earth forum can make such astounding claims, like the earth has been spinning about an axis for millions and millions of years at a constant speed of one revolution per 24 hours, despite the contradicting laws of thermodynamics(like entropy) which clearly tell us such an idea would be utter nonsense.

Another flat earther talking crap about the laws of thermodynamics.

If there was a problem with the heliocentric model and the laws of thermodynamics, someone would have noticed very quickly.  There isn’t though.  You are just making up whatever suits your argument.

I notice your inability to actually write about entropy.

Everyone noticed your avoidance of marco's math debunk of your stupid carousel claim.
And now instead of manning up to retract your point, or even attempting to double down, you switch gears to an even more complicated and ridiculous claim.
Good for you!

But maybe ill help you out since you didnt quite grasp your own insinuation.

Entropy:
Are you implying that instead of round balls in space, we should be a evenly distributed dense cloud of stuff?
Because everything should want to randomize and acheive a low energy state of being?

Are you saying that in the span of a single lifetime, since you have not noticed any change because perpetual motion "machines" are impossible and cant work therefore the space model is debunked?



So we'll leave these possible claims for soka and co to dedebunk.
Undebunk.
Unbunk.

I wouldn’t expect much. Typical Lackey, just standing on the corner, off his meds, shouting strange inconsequential non-sequiturs at random passers-by. He remarked on the trampoline gif, "Nice altered gif” without providing a reason why he thought it was ‘altered’ nor an issue with the content. Aside from insinuating something untoward about the 2 other fellows providing the ‘double-bounce’. Insinuating what? He chose not to share - Just barked that out. No rhyme or reason.

Proceeds to provide zero response to all of the math & science around rotation and instead makes up some garbled message regarding ‘entropy’ like he just read the definition of the word for the first time, thought it was cool, and has been running around all day applying it to any and all interactions/conversations - He said to the barista, “You know, according to the laws of thermodynamics, that macchiato your making me is the perfect example of a high order substance, heated, then devolving into a lower order…” A millennial service provider eyeroll ensues.

Now Lackey, how about providing a little bit more depth to what you may consider an argument that the rest of the world considers you just blurting out random words of disapproval.

Entropy, while just a portion of the second law, is specifically, "...an expression of the disorder or randomness of a system."

Total entropy always increases.

Meaning everything is declining or devolving or degrading.

Not maintaining or improving its state(s) of affairs.

Sorry, but RE doesn't jive.

Entropy, while just a portion of the second law, is specifically, "...an expression of the disorder or randomness of a system."

Total entropy always increases.

Meaning everything is declining or devolving or degrading.

Not maintaining or improving its state(s) of affairs.

But the second law of thermodynamics says nothing about have fast the system descends into "disorder or randomness".

Sorry, but RE doesn't jive.

And why not? If you bothered to read this quote you might note that the Earth's rotation rate is slowing down and the moon is moving futher away.

Days on Earth Really Are Getting Longer Thanks to The Moon - They Used to Be Just 18 Hours
Time seems to move faster as we age, but it turns out that maybe the opposite is true: our days on Earth are getting longer over time, and it's all thanks to the Moon's effect on our planet's rotation.

But don't go planning your extra sleep-ins just yet. A new study has traced the relationship between Earth and the Moon back 1.4 billion years, and found that, all the way back then, a day was just over 18 hours.

That means we've gained an extra six hours, give or take, since then - or, on average, a very unnoticeable 0.00001542857 seconds a year.

And the reason is because the Moon is constantly, and ever-so-slightly, moving away from us. 1.4 billion years ago, it was a fair bit closer, and Earth's rotation was faster.

And the day is still growing longer by between 15 and 25 millionths of a second every year.

So what about "the laws of thermodynamics (like entropy)"? The Earth-Moon system did have kinetic energy converted into heat energy.
Where is your entropy problem again?

So you globemadearthers are attacking our theory for a long time here so I decided to totally debunk your theory without any need for insults and logic that makes no sense in just a few points that their cannot explain and ours can.

1. HOW CAN THERE BE WATER WHEN THE GLOBE IS SPINNING AT 1000 mph

     Seriously this is just ridiculous just as a child spinning too fast on a playground on a carousel the water would just be thrown away with that big force. Also no need to say that the speed with which Earth rotates around Sun is also riduculous and the water just couldnt keep up with the Earth. Which brings me to another point.

Take a globe (12" diameter, like the ones they have in schools)

Wet the surface with water so water droplets are present on the surface.

Rotate the globe at a rate of 1 rotation every 24 hours.

Does the water droplets fly off?

Scale the globe up to the size of the earth.....


Additionally.

Speed is relative.

The average human male is 6 ft tall.  A mile is 5280 ft.  Something moving at 100 miles an hour is fast compared to our size.

A garden snail is about 3 inches long.  It moves at a rate of 0.029 mph.  That is very slow compared to our size.

The earth's circumference is 24901 miles.  A 1000 miles per hour is slow.

The solar system is over 7.4B miles in diameter.  1000 miles an hour is so slow it's almost non movement.


Think about it.

Sorry, but RE doesn't jive.

Only you know what you are talking about.  Please, I want to know.  Connect the dots between entropy and rotation.

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So you globemadearthers are attacking our theory for a long time here so I decided to totally debunk your theory without any need for insults and logic that makes no sense in just a few points that their cannot explain and ours can.

1. HOW CAN THERE BE WATER WHEN THE GLOBE IS SPINNING AT 1000 mph

     Seriously this is just ridiculous just as a child spinning too fast on a playground on a carousel the water would just be thrown away with that big force. Also no need to say that the speed with which Earth rotates around Sun is also riduculous and the water just couldnt keep up with the Earth. Which brings me to another point.

Take a globe (12" diameter, like the ones they have in schools)

Wet the surface with water so water droplets are present on the surface.

Rotate the globe at a rate of 1 rotation every 24 hours.

Does the water droplets fly off?

Scale the globe up to the size of the earth.....


Additionally.

Speed is relative.

The average human male is 6 ft tall.  A mile is 5280 ft.  Something moving at 100 miles an hour is fast compared to our size.

A garden snail is about 3 inches long.  It moves at a rate of 0.029 mph.  That is very slow compared to our size.

The earth's circumference is 24901 miles.  A 1000 miles per hour is slow.

The solar system is over 7.4B miles in diameter.  1000 miles an hour is so slow it's almost non movement.


Think about it.

Simply put, rotate the globe at 0.0007 rpm.  Because the is the actually rotational speed of the Earth.  The purposeful misinformation of using a linear speed because it sounds so fast confuses many people and I honestly believe the majority of people saying it know full well that they are misconstruing things.

Entropy, while just a portion of the second law

i.e. it isn't a law of thermodynamics.
It is a property which the second law discusses.

Total entropy always increases.

No, it never decreases, and that is only the total entropy of an isolated system.
If you have a non-isolated system then the total entropy of it can decrease if the entropy of the surroundings increase enough to compensate.

Sorry, but RE doesn't jive.

Why?
Again, you are yet to show a problem.


Again, can you clearly explain why the second law of thermodynamics (the actual law not your misrepresentation of it) indicates Earth couldn't keep rotating at a constant angular velocity?
Clearly explain how this decreases entropy.

Quote from: totallackey on January 24, 2020, 04:36:33 AM

Entropy, while just a portion of the second law

i.e. it isn't a law of thermodynamics.
It is a property which the second law discusses.

Quote from: totallackey on January 24, 2020, 04:36:33 AM

Total entropy always increases.

No, it never decreases, and that is only the total entropy of an isolated system.
If you have a non-isolated system then the total entropy of it can decrease if the entropy of the surroundings increase enough to compensate.

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Sorry, but RE doesn't jive.

Why?
Again, you are yet to show a problem.


Again, can you clearly explain why the second law of thermodynamics (the actual law not your misrepresentation of it) indicates Earth couldn't keep rotating at a constant angular velocity?
Clearly explain how this decreases entropy.

Jack, you clearly seem to know more about this than I do. How does the second law of thermodynamics doesn’t allow Earth to rotate? I believe that is your question to him though. I think it’s funny how everyone who believes in the Flat Earth ignores some of the most basic facts like accepting gravity, but go into some thermodynamics and entropy stuff when it isn’t even needed to prove this. The earliest records of round earth were predicted to be proposed with proof in 3rd Century BC. Why do you need 19th century gobbledygook that most (don’t rage at me if you do) you flat earthers barely seem to understand properly.

So you globemadearthers are attacking our theory for a long time here so I decided to totally debunk your theory without any need for insults and logic that makes no sense in just a few points that their cannot explain and ours can.

1. HOW CAN THERE BE WATER WHEN THE GLOBE IS SPINNING AT 1000 mph

     Seriously this is just ridiculous just as a child spinning too fast on a playground on a carousel the water would just be thrown away with that big force. Also no need to say that the speed with which Earth rotates around Sun is also riduculous and the water just couldnt keep up with the Earth. Which brings me to another point.

2.IF YOU JUMP UP THE EARTH SHOULD MOVE UNDERNEATH YOU

    And it should move pretty fast... Noone has never seen anything like this so ... I assume that even  your little globe brains can see the point.

1: The water is already moving with the Earth. If you have something in a plane, it doesn't suddenly fly into the back wall. It is already moving WITH the plane, just as the water is moving WITH the Earth. If the Earth suddenly accelerated, THEN the water might fly off the planet. But - just like in a plane - once the earth is at a constant speed, you don't feel anything.

2: Same thing here. You are already moving with the Earth. If you jump in a plane or on a train, you will stay in the same spot because you are already moving at the same speed as the vehicle. The Earth doesn't move underneath you because, relative to the Earth (which is moving), you are stationary.