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Flat Earth General / Re: Are space agencies and governments lying to us about the existence of a flat?

« on: October 29, 2018, 12:46:07 PM »

You flat earthers cannot decide on a single flat earth shape (map or continental layout) - the TFES.org site has about six

I'm an alternative theorist/thinker/hypothesiser/muser to the global Earth model we are asked/forced to accept as a truth.
To get a real shape you have to literally get the real shape.
The problem is we are all the parasites on the bed bug on the bed in a central park with the ability to gauges very little in the grand scheme of things.

Or simply be told we're on a spinning ball and just to get on with it, without question, or suffer ridicule by mass.

or a single explanation for so many things like what makes things fall down (gravity) or sunsets etc etc.

As above.
To get to a singular answer to what the reality is for things falling you have to have one reality. None of us have one, including the one you adhere to...except to accept you have the real answer when your honestly should come to the fore to admit it's a theory based on what's set out to be absorbed into your mind with many calculations just added into the mix that literally mean nothing in the physical sense.

Yet you have the audacity to accuse not only the employees of NASA of blatantly lying but those of the 75 or so other space agencies.
And that excludes the many hundreds of thousands who have to know the true shape of the earth simply because of their everyday activity.

I'm not bothered about employees of NASA.
We get told about all kinds of silly stuff by people in white coats and suits.
We are geared form early age to respect and accept that this is official expertise, so accept it and go with it.

Every international airline pilot, every astronomer (professional and amateur) and many others know for a fact that the earth is a Globe!

No they don't. You believe they do because you follow that path. Simple as that really.

But it looks as though you and other flat-earthers are quite prepared to call many hundreds of thousands of ordinary people liars and deceivers.

Not at all.
You know this isn't the truth.
You also know (because you've been told many times) that I and many more like me were brought up with the global and so called scientific stuff which took a long time to reject because it was guarded by mass opinion and peer pressure, instigated by the few so called top scientists who feed this stuff throughout the ages.

And flat-earthers wonder why they are derided and ridiculed!

Most know whey they're derided and ridiculed, they don't wonder.
If you want people to believe your garaged car is a Ferrari then you have to find all the best ways to actually gain the trust of the many to create the mss opinion that it is indeed a Ferrari.

When asked for proof of it by the sceptics

Yes. How come Flat Earth theorists have been online and offline arguing this for years, yet you've never even organized an expedition?
Be honest, a majority of online posters are Government paid shills who just post shit they pulled from their ads all day long. None of y'all ever go on any kind of expeditions or any of that.

You claim Space travel isn't taking place, when I have 1st hand knowledge that at least dimensional(Astral)travel is happening via highly advanced technology.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed

« on: September 11, 2014, 05:45:45 PM »

What a joke.
Hes not brainwashed.
He is just under the constant threat of being killed.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do Any Flat Earthers Believe in Aliens?

« on: April 21, 2014, 10:23:10 AM »

I haven't been here in a while, but to answer your question of course not!

I have a hard time even believing in God, and I place Aliens in the exact same vein. However I'm very open to the concept of God and religion now a little bit more than I was a few years back to the concept of UFOs and Aliens.

If you read between the lines and do a little bit of research you'll find that most UFOs are man made UFOs.

I had never been too hung on the idea of Aliens in the first place, but when James Carrion stepped down from Mufon it was clear for me.
He said in his blog that he joined Mufon to find the big secrets and truths of Aliens/UFOs, but what he found instead was worse; "Humans fooling Humans".

This had to have come out when I was about 24 to 25ish. And it was right when my eyes were being opened about the lies of Nasa. Now I have a really hard time believing in anything Space related. It just seems like bs to me.

Interestingly enough, the last post on Jame's blog is titled, "Wanted: Flying Saucer Journalist - Pay is Great - Benefits Even Better".
Source: http://followthemagicthread.blogspot.com/

Yeah. But I suppose I'm close-minded and stupid, right? To think that the whole UFO phenomenon could have been concocted by our Government is just-just- just insane, right?

ABRE LOS OJOS

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The Lounge / Re: Funny

« on: February 14, 2014, 09:46:01 PM »

  Congradulations 

This thread sucks!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Explain the plate tectonics.

« on: February 14, 2014, 07:44:03 PM »

Atmospheric pressure!
Good God! This question has been asked so much that I know the answer.
Why do RE'rs ask the same questions every other day?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My flat/concave map.

« on: February 13, 2014, 03:49:30 PM »

Where is the Ice wall and how close do you think Russia is towards it?

Which Continent is closest to the Ice?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Some Flattery for this Valentines Day

« on: February 13, 2014, 03:36:17 PM »

I like how this was done as if anyone of us owned a good enough printer to duplicate these cards. Lol.
Very nice 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Are there any pictures depicting a flat earth?

« on: February 13, 2014, 03:22:26 PM »

Beautiful, but I don't see a curve.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Sandy Hook disinformation

« on: January 14, 2014, 09:56:06 AM »

I have been trying to understand this theory, but I don't understand the why...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: What about the observable heavenly bodies?

« on: January 05, 2014, 07:50:54 PM »

Who says they're really there.

Have you heard about the Hologram hypotheses?

And even if they are there. What does that have to do with the Earth being flat. For all you know these could be reflections of the Sun *cough* scepti *cough*.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth is flat the Sun says so.

« on: January 05, 2014, 07:43:25 PM »

I like his other video about earth not rotating.

The only problem with Rory is he gets so involved with debating trolls and haters. Then again, if I put my full name out there, I would probably defend my every opinion and action. I wonder what kind of flack he gets from his videos in the  everyday world.

Hes a pilot.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Erich von Daniken

« on: January 05, 2014, 05:11:23 PM »

That is not a thousand years off, just a few hundred years.  What a fraud.

Yeah. That was a mistake on my own part so still grab the book.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Erich von Daniken

« on: January 05, 2014, 05:02:09 PM »

A thousand yrs off our correct timeline? In what sense?

I don't know yet, because I haven't read his books.

He had an interesting take on the life of Jesus...says he was a king who lived in the thousands.

In fact, he claims most of the historical periods we deem ancient, like the Egypt, Medieval, Greek, and Roman timelines all happened in the same time in the thousands.

According to him, the year is closer to 15 to 1714. Not 2014.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Erich von Daniken

« on: January 05, 2014, 04:45:54 PM »

Who is Anatoly Fomenko? I have 8 of von Daniken's books w/ a 9th on order. I've read 2, & shall start my 3rd tonight. I also have one by Graham Hancock. I'll be reading that later.

Russian mathmatician who insists that the lot of history is a farce perpetuated by jesuits, and that we're about 1000 years off our correct time line.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: The future of science?

« on: January 05, 2014, 04:18:29 PM »

Considering the rate of scientific discovery we need physicists, engineers and people willing to work on modern day problems.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Scientific studies fraudsters

Agreed, we need science that is not bound by any preset rules. We need real thinkers and not people who will just corrupt data to eat.

FET just seems like people holding back the progression of this. Don't you want your children to exceed in these and become helpers to society? Do/will you feed them FET pseudoscience?

You do so much assuming here.
Obviously, you shouldn't teach your kids FE theory as it would fail them in the long run.
Not everyone who spouts stuff on here, speaks like this in the real world. It's just a place to explore and think of new theories and ideas thats all.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Erich von Daniken

« on: January 05, 2014, 04:01:06 PM »

My signature is offensive and I should be ashamed of myself, but it skips all the sugar coating and goes right to the Godwin of the matter.

I thought Hitler believed in alternate Earth science. I thought he believed that the Earth was Hollow, but later found out it was flat by building a base over there.

Jroa, ah, ok. Justlurking, that sounds interesting, actually. Have you read it, then?

Have I read what? Erich's book. Not yet. I'd like to read Anatoly Fomenko's book first. I'm going to read it next month and then post reviews.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Erich von Daniken

« on: January 05, 2014, 03:37:29 PM »

I've heard of him, and I may read one of his books when I get a chance.

This is a better one

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Project Camelot, hidden Alien and Human history, Klaus Dona

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Flat Earth General / Re: I need a hard evidence.

« on: January 04, 2014, 05:43:09 PM »

...you must explain in detail

Nah you can believe what you want.
I'm not a believer of FE theory, but Inverted Earth or Koreshanity might be worth a look if you're really interested.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE: Not science? or impossible to test?

« on: September 17, 2013, 02:47:44 AM »

Now let's look at FE.
Size of the Earth: Unknown. (Claimed untestable, disagreement)
Mass of the Earth: Unknown. (Claimed untestable, disagreement)
Distance to sun. 3000km... 10,000km.... 149,600,000km. Others. (Claimed to be testable and untestable (disagreement on that) disagreement)
Gravity: UA believed in instead. (agreed upon (yay))
Existance of stars. Exist... or don't exist depending on who you ask. (Claimed untestable, disagreement)
How the surface of the Earth looks: Bi polar planar, uni polar planar, ice dome, etc, etc. (claimed untestable, Disagreement)

It becomes obvious that the Scientific method cannot be used to prove the FE theory. So much disagreement is had about how the FE works from within it's own team should have caused testing of anything testable. These tests should yield reliable results. This is clearly not the case.

I also do not want to hear the response that FE uses the SUPERIOR Zetetic method. Because this method claims to be essentially the same except without an initial hypothesis to cloud your judgement and taint your results. The Zetetic method would find the FE theory untestable and therefore could not believe in it until tests were created and performed to prove it's validity.

So is FE simply not scienctifically attempted at all. Or do FE believe that every single aspect of anything required to support their theory is untestable? If either is the case... why believe in the flat earth at all?

I agree 100% with this conclusion. If FE theory is scientifically untestable than why believe in it? After lurking here for a few weeks I suspect this is either tied to Religion and or a troll site. I can't tell.

Its interesting, but makes no sense to me.  Cheers.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY is the earth flat?

« on: September 12, 2013, 11:50:21 AM »

evidence tips the scales that it is planar, and as Zetetics we must accept this.

I thought Zetetism was the idea of gathering all data yourself and not relying on other's evidence.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sceptimatics theory

« on: September 12, 2013, 06:19:02 AM »

Omg.
I just watched ConspiracyDude's Flat Earth 3 video and I just can't help laughing. It's the way he presents it that makes it sound just plain funny.
Are you guys sure you're legit???

You guys should flag his videos because he does nothing for your cause. Just saying.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sceptimatics theory

« on: September 12, 2013, 05:19:05 AM »

Thank you for replying scepti.
A few more questions.

2. Is this find of a plasma layer above the Earth similar to your mixed state ice dome?
http://www.livescience.com/31090-cold-plasma-layer-detected-high-earth.html

No. To be honest, I don't believe a word of what they come out with. It's just a continuation of the world they want us to believe we live on.

1. How do you expect to disprove current working sciences when you do not trust any current collection of scientific data or information presented to you?

2. Have you not thought about current emerging Electric Universe theories? How do you feel about the Hollow Earth Theory? What about the Concave or Inverted Earth Theories?
I see a common denominator in most of these theories: an opening at the center or middle of Earth.

3. Also how do you feel about FE'rs that are on YT?
I actually saw this conspiracy about 2 or 3 months ago, but it was presented by a guy named ConspiracyDude. He calls people Savages and Lazy and
just spouts out utter gibberish from the get go. I laughed out loud when I heard it and thought nothing more of it. The Young Turks video on the FES brought me here out of sheer curiosity. I just didn't know that anyone truly held the believe of a "FE".

I myself am a proponent of the Moon Hoax theory which I take breaks from every now and then. The break could be 3 months or years. Really just depends. It's not like they'll actually go anywhere  . There will be 40 + more years of general space fakery so I have the time to explore new ideas.

With that being said, how did you conclude the following:
- Stars are crystals and not actual small stars.

- Planets are only reflections? Are you sure? I read that in pre-Apollo missions, astronauts were unable to see or find the Moon so I'm open to the idea that the Moon might be a reflection albeit a very concrete one. However Jupiter? What is that a reflection of? [wild guessing] A type of gaseous or molten like rock not yet identified?[/wild guessing]

- Other Cells possibly next to us. 10 Ft? How did you postulate this?

This is fascinating by the way.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sceptimatics theory

« on: September 10, 2013, 09:24:05 PM »

Hi Scepti. I don't fancy myself a FE believer and my kneejerk reaction is that of revulsion, but I have some questions.

1. You mentioned the Earth might be 100,000 miles across instead of 48,000. The side that we do not live on, or that surrounds us--Is it all ice rim? No warm or desert like Earth pocket phenomena? Just an impenetrable ice plane?

2. Is this find of a plasma layer above the Earth similar to your mixed state ice dome?
http://www.livescience.com/31090-cold-plasma-layer-detected-high-earth.html

3. Is the Sun on the inside of the dome or on the outside?

The sun is reflected onto the ice dome from the central part of earth's circle and back to earth and reflected again, only with much less strength, IE the moon. All this is achieved , along with what we see as stars, through vibrating crystals on a scale that would make women drool at the mouth for eternity.

4.  This is terribly confusing. I'm trying to visualize why and how this could be true, but I can't. Can you please (in your free time) illustrate the Moon being a reflection of the Sun? If so why does it look as though it was a dead planet or a piece of this our own? Is that how the sun looks?
Supposing FE theory is true, could that be a 2nd Sun(or battery) that died? You say the Moon and Sun are the same size. Could that be the reason that there is so much ice? Perhaps one sun burned out leaving  52%  of the old world in complete coldness i.e. a slight ice age?

5. In some posts you seem as though you subscribe to the inverted Earth theory more than just a plain flat Earth. Is that the case? I think this might be better to understand if it did not appear that you were talking about a literal thin 2 dimensional Earth. This still doesn't make any sense at all.
Firmament as a ice sky, with a ice rim...You guys are serious though. I will not be like others, and pretend that I'm not interested in this theory for multiple reasons(some things don't add up) so I will continue in my questioning.

6. What is your background if you can say. If not just skip over this. I'm curious as to why pilots would not be saying anything about this especially private Jet pilots for celebrities. When I was younger, I remember Concord being touted as the airline of the stars and that they were flying close to or near space. I understand they canceled the line, but why wouldn't any of those pilots say anything about FE or write any books to the effect?

7. You say outside of the dome is a perfect vacuum? Absolute nothingness? What explains our being here in this absolute nothingness? I don't want to insult you, but your theory takes sort of a religious way of thinking without any creativity in the least bit.
Have you explored the idea of Earth forming in a Black Hole? A complete perfect black void that sucks in and compresses anything within, but some matter remains in tact?

8. Is there any way to explore your theory?
You said that flying aircraft laterally through Antarctica would end in a crash. So if there is no way to prove FE why wouldn't you just go with RE theory?

I have more questions, but I don't want to weigh you down
:/