Are space agencies and governments lying to us about the existence of a flat?

Quote from: dutchy on August 20, 2018, 12:44:53 PM

I cannot comment to the OP's Quora copy paste persona in indignant tears, because i have not spoken to this person.

I'd trust a real person who gives a real name and a real affiliation who actually works for NASA the a one-eyed NASAphobe who seems to blame NASA for all the ills of the last few millenia.

And I have not "spoken" to you and I know that you are highly biased against NASA!

Quote from: dutchy

What i do know is that NASA and other space agencies like to spread ongoing false representations of reality !

No, you know nothing of the sort!
The earth has been known to be almost perfectly spherical for many centuries and you have never proven nor even given reasonably credible evidence to the contrary!
And the views of earth shown by photos from NASA, SpaceX, ESA, ROSCOSMOS and JMA all show views that agree with that shape and size.
Why single out NASA? Take your blinkers off!

Quote from: dutchy

Without exception the amount of curve from ISS footage is exagerated in a disproportional way in favour of the prefered shape.

So you post a photo with no specified source.
If you think it "is exagerated in a disproportional way in favour of the prefered shape" please show exactly what YOU think that the photo should show.
All you ever post are your opinions and you are certainly no authority on what the earth should look like from space.

If you are going to criticise NASA's images, be honest, and get an image from NASA and not some random source that you found on the internet.

ISS HD Earth Viewing Experiment at 07:50 21-Sep-2018

Now stop posting empty words like "Without exception the amount of curve from ISS footage is exagerated in a disproportional way in favour of the prefered shape".
And show what YOU think a 12,740 km diameter earth should like from a height of about 400 km above the earth.

You have nothing, dutchy, but empty words from an admitted hater of everything to do with NASA.

For just one example, I would trust any old Chief Quartermaster (QMC) who has any duties relating to oceanic navigation  on any bridge of any ship of any navy of any  country in the world before I would trust any flat earther when it comes the question of whether tne earth is a round globe or a flat disc.

NASA did not present the roadster in space image...

That was SpaceX.

Let's see your images of the flat Earth from space?

NASA did not present the roadster in space image...

That was SpaceX.

Let's see your images of the flat Earth from space?

Are you talking to me mister ‘laughter’ ? .... i don’t know , but allow me to anwer it .

All images from ‘above’ are made by the current space agencies, despite ongoing promises no ordinary mortal can cross the Karman line to take a peep in 2018.
And i only yawn when i hear another vague future foresight about space travel and implementation in our daily life....... ain’t gonna happen.

Therefor we STILL have to rely on ’space agencies’  that have mastered cgi and other tools derived from advanced computing power in 2018.
You and i have zero means to discern between reality and fantasy when it comes to outerspace footage.
Your only argument is based on emotions.

‘They wouldn’t lie’
‘To difficult to keep it a secret’
‘Smart people would never lie about something this big’

Simply because you think it’s impossible doesn’t make it true.
At least most of the early outerspace film ( like presented in this very topic) from the early seventies reveal SF ’Hollywood’ techniques that won’t cut it by a long shot for the new generation in 2018.
Why don’t you approach an intelligent young adult and show him/her the official docking, ascent and descent manouvres during Apollo on film..... and you will understand much better.
Old grumpy rabinoz isn’t really a measuring stick..... all that NASA puts out meets his golden standard of credibility, even before it is on display  ( so much for his objective and critical approach)
I really urge you to present official NASA film from post WW2 till the eighties to a young person you consider smart, intelligent and scientifically sound.

And the FACT that I have, on dozens of occasions, witnessed with my own eyes, sunlight reflected from the ISS and other satellites?

Can you explain that away, Mr  dutchtard?

And the FACT that I have, on dozens of occasions, witnessed with my own eyes, sunlight reflected from the ISS and other satellites?

Can you explain that away, Mr  dutchtard?

No, i cannot ...and do not consider it important to know.
I personally spoke to an airline pilot in his private place who had an UFO on his tail in the aerospace of Greece after i specifically asked him if he ever wittnessed something strange during one of his many flights. He told me that during this encounter fighter jets were scrambled and he also spoke about it on national radio not long after that !
He was convinced that extraterrestrials are out there, no natural phenomena or secret vehicles from earth....as a pilot he called it a difference between night and day.
It was a learning experience for me...... should i dismiss his testimony and expertise , or should i believe in alien crafts invading earth’s atmosphere from now on ?

I simply don’t know what it was that followed his commercial airplane that day.
Just as i don’t know what reflecting light dots in the sky are.
But please forgive me that i don’t follow the sheep who repeat the propaganda based on a light reflection only.
Funny thing is that most people who swear by the ISS because of a faint light reflection, dismiss UFO’s based on much more than a light reflection.
Which shows how extremely subjective such conclusions are.....

Funny thing is that most people who swear by the ISS because of a faint light reflection, dismiss UFO’s based on much more than a light reflection.

Where are you getting this?

And that fact that a simple app on my phone  shows me quite precisely where and when to look for reflected light from satellites?

Are UFOs on such a tight schedule?

Is it too late to bring up yet again the non-NASA Japanese weather satellite that takes full earth images every 10 minutes.... in high definition and free web access to the current and back catalogue of all full earth images back to when it became operational?

I mean... shit...  you want a full earth image, they give it to you every 10 minutes (of that hemisphere... its I  geosynchronous orbit) but... I'm sure that is fake too... because, you know... the Japanese care about spreading round earth lies...

I'm surprised north Korea is in on the round earth lie as well... they will starve you and have you shutting out worms. .  But the earth is round

And that fact that a simple app on my phone  shows me quite precisely where and when to look for reflected light from satellites?

Are UFOs on such a tight schedule?

Wow,... you have an app that confirms time and date for your ongoing rendezvous with tiny reflecting lights in the sky?

I have an app on my Iphone that mimicks drums, guitars, voilins, organs and more very convincingly...... it’s a kind of magic.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on August 23, 2018, 02:32:00 PM

And that fact that a simple app on my phone  shows me quite precisely where and when to look for reflected light from satellites?

Are UFOs on such a tight schedule?

Wow,... you have an app that confirms time and date for your ongoing rendezvous with tiny reflecting lights in the sky?

I have an app on my Iphone that mimicks drums, guitars, voilins, organs and more very convincingly...... it’s a kind of magic.

That's not the same thing, and you know it.

Is it too late to bring up yet again the non-NASA Japanese weather satellite that takes full earth images every 10 minutes.... in high definition and free web access to the current and back catalogue of all full earth images back to when it became operational?

I mean... shit...  you want a full earth image, they give it to you every 10 minutes (of that hemisphere... its I  geosynchronous orbit) but... I'm sure that is fake too... because, you know... the Japanese care about spreading round earth lies...

I'm surprised north Korea is in on the round earth lie as well... they will starve you and have you shutting out worms. .  But the earth is round

The Japanese satellite is called Himawari wich means sunflower.

In the Greek mythology there was a water nymph called Clytie who fell in love with Apollo the Sun god.
Apollo had no real interrest despite Clytie who continiously gazed upwards to the sun, but Apollo was in love with someone else and ignored her.
In time she even refused to drink and eat and almost crumbled.
The other gods felt for her and changed her into a beautifull sunflower.

Clytie the sunflower always looked towards Apollo, the Sun God. This was then how all sunflowers came to follow the path of the sun.


So we have NASA naming their biggest and most expensive project Apollo ( sun god and endorsing the heliocentric model)
And the Japanese who became America’s puppet after WW2 concerning everything military name their most precious ‘space toy’ sunflower to underline how they look up to their leading space magiciens from America.

If you payed attention to the Greek mythology than it fits the narrative quite nicely.
But of course you educated and smart globelings don’t value such things from the past ( unless they measure some shadows with a stick).

F..k.. you have no idea how easy it is to deceive you all with your eyes wide open !
That’s why they continue.....  so many faithfull dogs supporting space agencies.....

Don't run away, dutchtard.. let's talk about what you think my app is directing me to view.

Just what flat Earth phenomenon is so precisely predictable?

Don't run away, dutchtard.. let's talk about what you think my app is directing me to view.

Just what flat Earth phenomenon is so precisely predictable?

Is your light in the sky as bright as Sirius at times ?

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on August 23, 2018, 11:07:22 AM

NASA did not present the roadster in space image...

That was SpaceX.

Let's see your images of the flat Earth from space?

Are you talking to me mister ‘laughter’ ? .... i don’t know , but allow me to anwer it .

All images from ‘above’ are made by the current space agencies, despite ongoing promises no ordinary mortal can cross the Karman line to take a peep in 2018.

Why do you continually lie to us dutchy? THERE ARE NO "ongoing promises no ordinary mortal can cross the Karman line to take a peep in 2018"!

Astronauts and visitors from these nations, the United States, Russia, Japan, Canada, Italy, France, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, Sweden, Brazil, Denmark, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, South Africa, South Korea, Spain and the United Kingdom have visited the ISS and they are all ordinary mortals!

But there most certainly never has been any "promises no ordinary mortal can cross the Karman line to take a peep in 2018" so DO NOT LIE to us!

And i only yawn when i hear another vague future foresight about space travel and implementation in our daily life.......

Yawn all you like and dream all you like, who cares? That has no bearing on the reality of any space missions and just who made these forecasts?

ain’t gonna happen.

You haven't the slightest idea what's gonna happen, Mr Smarty Pants Nostradamus.

Therefor we STILL have to rely on ’space agencies’  that have mastered cgi and other tools derived from advanced computing power in 2018.

You and i have zero means to discern between reality and fantasy when it comes to outerspace footage.

So we have to rely on just on what fits the "reality" of what we can see here on earth and what I see fits perfectly!

Your only argument is based on emotions.

And your only argument is also purely based on emotions and your emotions seem to be controlled by your totally unreasonable hatred of NASA so cannot be relied on!
Who, I repeat WERE not the first and certainly are not the "ONLY"!

‘They wouldn’t lie’
‘To difficult to keep it a secret’
‘Smart people would never lie about something this big’

Why would "they" lie?
Why would virtually every developed country on earth, including India, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Isreal and North Korea lie about exactly the same thing?
Would that be for the sole purpose of hiding the true shape of the earth - something known for millennia before NASA was even dreamt of?

Simply because you think it’s impossible doesn’t make it true.

And simply because you think it’s impossible doesn’t space flight impossible.

At least most of the early outerspace film ( like presented in this very topic) from the early seventies reveal SF ’Hollywood’ techniques that won’t cut it by a long shot for the new generation in 2018.

Have you given any attribution for the video yet?

Why don’t you approach an intelligent young adult and show him/her the official docking, ascent and descent manouvres during Apollo on film..... and you will understand much better.

Why? I understand it quite well and anyone with any reasonable understanding of physics (and lacking you paranoia) could understand it!

Old grumpy rabinoz isn’t really a measuring stick..... all that NASA puts out meets his golden standard of credibility, even before it is on display  ( so much for his objective and critical approach)

And a NASA hating dutchy who has no idea about the true shape of the earth and refuses to even debate it rationally has is no yardstick either.
Your paranoia about anything mention of NASA, when NASA were no the first to enter spavce, etc, etc, etc, etc, make it absolute impossible for for to even rationally discuss these things.

But I have repeatedly said, and repeatedly ignored by YOU, that NASA is not my idol or yard stick! I've probably posted more from Russian, Japanese, European, Indian and SpaceX etc, than NASA.

And you, the frothing-at-the-mouth NASAphobic (you mention NOTHING of the 75 odd other space agencies) dare call me "grumpy" - what a loser!

I really urge you to present official NASA film from post WW2 till the eighties to a young person you consider smart, intelligent and scientifically sound.

What on earth is "official NASA film from post WW2 till the eighties"? Where is this "official NASA film"?
Why is that a problem to someone with a reasonably understanding of physics?

But why is it NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA, NASA all the time?
I asked the same question in:

Quote from: dutchy on August 22, 2018, 11:43:11 PM

I know what your criterea is Rabinoz...... i know.

No, you do not know my criteria and don't you pretend that you do! But at the mention of NASA your NASAphobia seems to take over!
But why NASA? You seem to ignore the fact that Russia was had the:

• First manmade satellite in orbit.
• First man in space.
• First man to orbit the earth.
• First woman in space.
• First crew of three astronauts on board one spacecraft.
• First space walk.
• First two orbiting spacecraft (claimed to) rendezvous - is actually false.
• First spacecraft to reach the vicinity of the Earth's Moon, Luna 1.
• First spacecraft to be placed in heliocentric orbit, Luna 1 - accidentally, but it still happened.
• First surface impact on the moon (Luna 2).
• First surface impact on the moon (Luna 2).
• First photograph of the far side of the moon "1959: The space probe Luna 3 takes the first photographs of the far side of the moon."
  
• First soft landing on the moon (Luna 9).
• First first lunar orbiter (Luna 10).

So please explain why NASA are the big bad boys on the block and not the Russians?

And you refuse to answer!


There are probably numerous errors, but I have more important thins to do, like watch the grass grow.

Well, first, it's not MY light, the app I use has been downloaded over a million times. It stands to reason that I'm not the only person viewing what it predicts.

The light is quite intense, and moves rapidly across the sky.  Honestly,  I can't comment on any comparison with Sirius.

Have you even considered installing one of these apps and experiencing this for yourself?

So we have NASA naming their biggest and most expensive project Apollo ( sun god and endorsing the heliocentric model)

Actually, NASA's biggest and most expensive project is the ISS.  Also, the Ancient Greeks (and Romans) were, for the most part, round earth geocentrists.

Quote from: Here to laugh at you on August 23, 2018, 02:32:00 PM

And that fact that a simple app on my phone  shows me quite precisely where and when to look for reflected light from satellites?

Are UFOs on such a tight schedule?

Wow,... you have an app that confirms time and date for your ongoing rendezvous with tiny reflecting lights in the sky?

I have an app on my Iphone that mimicks drums, guitars, voilins, organs and more very convincingly...... it’s a kind of magic.

What a laugh! Ridicule is all a poor loser like you can come up with!




Plenty more where they come from and most are just from interested photographers and amateur astronomers.

Dutchy, take those NASAphobic filter blinkers off and really look at the world about you.
By the way, the ISS is almost as much Russian as American and the crew and visitors come from numerous countries including the Netherlands!

I must be a sceptic. I am still just waiting for that photo showing the entire flat earth.

This is the world record long distance photography.


Look at Pic Gaspard it is 3867 m in height and in this specific world record braking photograph some 443km in the distance.

This is the ISS flying over and captured by a Nikon P900 consumer's camera ( nothing earth shaking, let alone world record braking) or telescope.


Since the ISS is some 400 km high up in the sky and some 100 m in length
It means that the mountains in the background of the world record braking long distance photograph are more than 30 times bigger than the ISS, but we can hardly see anything but a vague mountain in the far distance.

Or should i bring my P900 next time and smash the poor attempt of the world record and do some proper zooming of Pic Gaspard like zooming in on the ISS ?

This question was asked on the site Quora.com: "Why are space agencies and governments lying to us about the existence of a flat Earth?".

One of the many answers was:

Quote from: Steven Cowart, works at NASA

I may be guilty of many shortcomings, but I am not a liar, especially about truths that stand on their own without my help.

If I knew the Earth was flat, I would tell you so, even if my agency (employer) disagreed. It would be a matter of personal integrity.

You are calling me a liar, me and all my co-workers are liars, according to you. Yes, this is personal, and it’s an outrageous accusation. All of the science that points to a round Earth is available for the reading. Where is your scientific evidence of a flat Earth? You hide behind anonymity and publicly label my peers and I as liars, without demonstrating a shred of evidence. Are our careers and livelihoods not worth any effort on your part to support your position? I work with men and women who have circled the Earth from orbit, who have seen our round world from a perspective that puts all your words to naught. Are they liars too? You should be ashamed.

From: Quora.com, Why are space agencies and governments lying to us about the existence of a flat Earth?

Why do flat-earthers believe that they have the right to accuse so many of lying?

I think it's down to the fact that blatant in your face clap trap becomes annoying.

It's akin to having a person stood in front of you trying to block your over their shoulder gaze at the bad conjurer and trying their best to ensure you don't get to see how easily the duping is.

I must be a sceptic. I am still just waiting for that photo showing the entire flat earth.

You'll never get one anymore than you'll get a picture of global one, unless it's fictionally set out to show it....as we get saturated with.

This is the world record long distance photography.


Look at Pic Gaspard it is 3867 m in height and in this specific world record braking photograph some 443km in the distance.

This is the ISS flying over and captured by a Nikon P900 consumer's camera ( nothing earth shaking, let alone world record braking) or telescope.


Since the ISS is some 400 km high up in the sky and some 100 m in length
It means that the mountains in the background of the world record braking long distance photograph are more than 30 times bigger than the ISS, but we can hardly see anything but a vague mountain in the far distance.

Why is that a problem to one as smart as you?
But Pic Gaspard is photographed through 443 km of air, which as you know scatters the light causing haze an loss of contrast.
On the other hand if the ISS is almost overhead it is being viewed through only about 9 km effective thickness of atmosphere.

Look at the telescope images of stars and planets, even on the accepted flat earth model they are much further away than the ISS yet they appear as comparatively sharp sharp images.

Or should i bring my P900 next time and smash the poor attempt of the world record and do some proper zooming of Pic Gaspard like zooming in on the ISS ?

You do that!

Quote from: rabinoz on August 20, 2018, 05:34:50 AM

This question was asked on the site Quora.com: "Why are space agencies and governments lying to us about the existence of a flat Earth?".

One of the many answers was:

Quote from: Steven Cowart, works at NASA

I may be guilty of many shortcomings, but I am not a liar, especially about truths that stand on their own without my help.

If I knew the Earth was flat, I would tell you so, even if my agency (employer) disagreed. It would be a matter of personal integrity.

You are calling me a liar, me and all my co-workers are liars, according to you. Yes, this is personal, and it’s an outrageous accusation. All of the science that points to a round Earth is available for the reading. Where is your scientific evidence of a flat Earth? You hide behind anonymity and publicly label my peers and I as liars, without demonstrating a shred of evidence. Are our careers and livelihoods not worth any effort on your part to support your position? I work with men and women who have circled the Earth from orbit, who have seen our round world from a perspective that puts all your words to naught. Are they liars too? You should be ashamed.

From: Quora.com, Why are space agencies and governments lying to us about the existence of a flat Earth?

Why do flat-earthers believe that they have the right to accuse so many of lying?

I think it's down to the fact that blatant in your face clap trap becomes annoying.

It's akin to having a person stood in front of you trying to block your over their shoulder gaze at the bad conjurer and trying their best to ensure you don't get to see how easily the duping is.

You flat earthers cannot decide on a single flat earth shape (map or continental layout) - the TFES.org site has about six
or a single explanation for so many things like what makes things fall down (gravity) or sunsets etc etc.

Yet you have the audacity to accuse not only the employees of NASA of blatantly lying but those of the 75 or so other space agencies.
And that excludes the many hundreds of thousands who have to know the true shape of the earth simply because of their everyday activity.

Every international airline pilot, every astronomer (professional and amateur) and many others know for a fact that the earth is a Globe!

But it looks as though you and other flat-earthers are quite prepared to call many hundreds of thousands of ordinary people liars and deceivers.

And flat-earthers wonder why they are derided and ridiculed!

Why is that a problem to one as smart as you?

I know my intelligence forces you in an ‘all out’ defensive mode, but you really don’t have to my friend..... we are all equal at the flatearth forums.... remember that !

But Pic Gaspard is photographed through 443 km of air, which as you know scatters the light causing haze an loss of contrast.
On the other hand if the ISS is almost overhead it is being viewed through only about 9 km effective thickness of atmosphere.

I was not talking about the differences in haziness, but overall size.
If i would bring the P900 to photograph the Pic Gaspard at 400 km i should be able to zoom in , so that the whole camera’s field of view is filled with the Pic Gaspard .
Why ? Because we can zoom in on the ISS with a P900 (example) that is 30 times smaller compared to Pic Gaspard and we’re able to get a good view.

Is it possible to zoom in from 400 km to Pic Gaspard and have that mountain filling our camera’s field of view ?

In response to the core question, it depends on your perspective.

If a person accepts scientific truths that Earth is spherical, then NASA is not lying.

If a person is ignorant of, or chooses to reject fundamental scientific truths (like the shape of the planet) for whatever reason, then NASA is a liar to them due to the photos they produce of earth.

Belief is subjective.

The human mind can be easily fooled given the right circumstances, and by believing in a flat earth, there is also a strong social aspect of being part of an unfairly derided or outlaw minority group. Attention seeking. Ofcourse, this attraction for followers is also how dangerous cults can start.

However, from an objective point of view, the truth never changes. Laws of nature and science, don't change to suit an individuals beliefs or mindset. They are physical truths you can apply to any physical situation and withstand all criticism.

Flat earthers forget that a lot of scientific discoveries and progress, were made by people with a passion and dedication for science, scientists who studied real science and are paid to conduct scientific experiments and research, and receive research grants.

NASA and other space agencies employed the top astro physicists, mathematicians, and scientists of the day, not Hollywood actors. NASA and other space agencies were appropriately funded, and people watched the launches of the rockets from the ground.

Quote from: rabinoz on August 24, 2018, 03:14:17 AM

Why is that a problem to one as smart as you?

I know my intelligence forces you in an ‘all out’ defensive mode

What are you talking about.
I assumed, quite reasonably, that it was the haziness you were referring to.

I thought that you would know enough about photography to realise that the size of the image depends on the focal length of the lens used and on any cropping and enlarging done later.

I do apologise for underestimating your ignorance in such matters.

but you really don’t have to my friend..... we are all equal at the flatearth forums.... remember that !

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But Pic Gaspard is photographed through 443 km of air, which as you know scatters the light causing haze an loss of contrast.
On the other hand if the ISS is almost overhead it is being viewed through only about 9 km effective thickness of atmosphere.

I was not talking about the differences in haziness, but overall size.
If i would bring the P900 to photograph the Pic Gaspard at 400 km i should be able to zoom in , so that the whole camera’s field of view is filled with the Pic Gaspard .
Why ? Because we can zoom in on the ISS with a P900 (example) that is 30 times smaller compared to Pic Gaspard and we’re able to get a good view.

No you cannot "zoom in on the ISS with a P900"! The P900 image of the ISS is only that size because the original photo has been severely cropped and enlarged,  as I did witn:

ISS enlarged. That does not look like " tiny reflecting lights in the sky ".

A perfectly-timed photo of the space station and the moon puts human achievements in perspective. Credit: Dani Caxete.

Is it possible to zoom in from 400 km to Pic Gaspard and have that mountain filling our camera’s field of view ?

You work it out. The horizontal field of view of the P900 at 83x optical zoom is about 1°.
But that's irrelevant because I'm sure the P900 photo of the ISS has been severely cropped.

By the way, if you bothered to look it up on
Marc Bret (Beyond Horizons team) used a camera very similar to my own:
Camera   Panasonic Lumix FZ72 @ ISO100 – 1/250
     Lens   Integrated Zoom @ 1200 mm – f./2.8
     Date   July 16th 2016
I have an earlier Panasonic Lumix FZ60.

So the lens focal length is only 1200 mm compared to the 2000 mm optical zoom of the P900.

Your ISS P900/Telescope photo was from this site: Satellites Prove The Flat Earth Deception. You really should study it carefully!
And this bit is especially interesting: The Flat Earth Deception, Search For Truth, Not To Defend A Belief.
Thanks for directing me to such a useful site. I didn't realise that you read sites like that.

Try the app, dutchy..
The one I use is called ISS Detector.


What are you afraid of??

You flat earthers cannot decide on a single flat earth shape (map or continental layout) - the TFES.org site has about six

I'm an alternative theorist/thinker/hypothesiser/muser to the global Earth model we are asked/forced to accept as a truth.
To get a real shape you have to literally get the real shape.
The problem is we are all the parasites on the bed bug on the bed in a central park with the ability to gauges very little in the grand scheme of things.

Or simply be told we're on a spinning ball and just to get on with it, without question, or suffer ridicule by mass.

or a single explanation for so many things like what makes things fall down (gravity) or sunsets etc etc.

As above.
To get to a singular answer to what the reality is for things falling you have to have one reality. None of us have one, including the one you adhere to...except to accept you have the real answer when your honestly should come to the fore to admit it's a theory based on what's set out to be absorbed into your mind with many calculations just added into the mix that literally mean nothing in the physical sense.

Yet you have the audacity to accuse not only the employees of NASA of blatantly lying but those of the 75 or so other space agencies.
And that excludes the many hundreds of thousands who have to know the true shape of the earth simply because of their everyday activity.

I'm not bothered about employees of NASA.
We get told about all kinds of silly stuff by people in white coats and suits.
We are geared form early age to respect and accept that this is official expertise, so accept it and go with it.

Every international airline pilot, every astronomer (professional and amateur) and many others know for a fact that the earth is a Globe!

No they don't. You believe they do because you follow that path. Simple as that really.

But it looks as though you and other flat-earthers are quite prepared to call many hundreds of thousands of ordinary people liars and deceivers.

Not at all.
You know this isn't the truth.
You also know (because you've been told many times) that I and many more like me were brought up with the global and so called scientific stuff which took a long time to reject because it was guarded by mass opinion and peer pressure, instigated by the few so called top scientists who feed this stuff throughout the ages.

And flat-earthers wonder why they are derided and ridiculed!

Most know whey they're derided and ridiculed, they don't wonder.
If you want people to believe your garaged car is a Ferrari then you have to find all the best ways to actually gain the trust of the many to create the mss opinion that it is indeed a Ferrari.

When asked for proof of it by the sceptics they expect you to be able to open that garage to show a real working Ferrari.
If you can only show pictures of one or doctored video or calculations of the car against the garage size, then it's not a proof it is what you say...but it can be an accepted fact to many who have little reason to doubt it in their own minds.

It's called trust based on brainwashing.

I wonder what would happen if persons such as dutchy or sceptimatic ever went to sea or even went down to the shore and watched the way ships or land appear or disappear as they come over or pass over the horizon if that would change their ideas in their belief that the earth was flat from just such a simple observation ?

 To Sceptimatic and Dutchy :
Using my example of the old and experienced  Chief Petty Officer in the Quartermaster Specialty Rating in the U.S.Navy (QMC) , if he told you the earth was a globe, took you out to sea, and showed you how the way ships and land appear or disappear as they come over or pass beyond the horizon illustrates the curvature of the earth and proves the earth is a globe , would you would you have the audacity to call him a liar face-to-face ? Or would you even volunteer to  go with him on a cruise such as this ?

I wonder what would happen if persons such as dutchy or sceptimatic ever went to sea or even went down to the shore and watched the way ships or land appear or disappear as they come over or pass over the horizon if that would change their ideas in their belief that the earth was flat from just such a simple observation ?

Nope.
The simple observation proves it is not a globe.
The 8 inches per mile squared scuppers the global nonsense when you can literally see for 50 miles, a skyline that should be totally obscured.

This has been through many times though and this is just another one to add.