My flat/concave map.

I done a rough covering of a globe and roughly copied the land masses around it, then decided to open it up from the north pole side instead of having a south pole rim on opening.
It won't be to the right scale and it's rough, but let's see what we can make of it.

Doesn't really look even close to remotely possible to me compared to the flat map.

Scuelos,

Do you know that you posted here the round earth map in quincuncial projection?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincuncial_map

I could make a hat, or an aeroplane, or if I had some scissors a chain of people holding hands.


Apart from that, not much.

I could make a hat, or an aeroplane, or if I had some scissors a chain of people holding hands.


Apart from that, not much.

Well when you have no interest in alternatives, it would be time to stick to stuff like that, because it's quite clear that your intentions on here are to simply aid in keeping your globe alive.

Quote from: Spank86 on January 18, 2014, 06:05:03 AM

I could make a hat, or an aeroplane, or if I had some scissors a chain of people holding hands.


Apart from that, not much.

Well when you have no interest in alternatives, it would be time to stick to stuff like that, because it's quite clear that your intentions on here are to simply aid in keeping your globe alive.

well what would you like me to say when your map misses out the entire Indian subcontinent (leaving no room for it to even be squeezed in), as well as the middle east and hence leaves the Mediterranean open at both ends.

Makes you wonder why they dug the Suez canal.

Quote from: sceptimatic on January 18, 2014, 06:12:29 AM

Quote from: Spank86 on January 18, 2014, 06:05:03 AM

I could make a hat, or an aeroplane, or if I had some scissors a chain of people holding hands.


Apart from that, not much.

Well when you have no interest in alternatives, it would be time to stick to stuff like that, because it's quite clear that your intentions on here are to simply aid in keeping your globe alive.

well what would you like me to say when your map misses out the entire Indian subcontinent (leaving no room for it to even be squeezed in), as well as the middle east and hence leaves the Mediterranean open at both ends.

Makes you wonder why they dug the Suez canal.

The map is a basic rough drawing as you can see.
It requires work to tweak it all into place.
The point of the map was to highlight that maybe we are looking at the globe model to flat earth model the wrong way around and it's actually what we see as the rim, is actually the centre with all the countries  changing , as in Australia being closer to the centre as opposed to be further out t the edge.

It's there for anyone to tinker with, not as an argument that It's correct. For a reflective dome sun to make more sense, it would make more sense for the countries receiving most light and heat to be  further in the bowl towards centre.

All it really explains is anyone can make a map if they choose to.

The inaccuracies are too many to count.



The fact that you have to make something work........and come up with excuses no one can validate to claim it works....is the best evidence for why it's wrong.

Scuelos,

Do you know that you posted here the round earth map in quincuncial projection?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincuncial_map

I'm aware of that. I also know what a globe is and I know it's accurate enough for our purposes. I also know a globe can be mapped to a flat concave plane with perfect accuracy. I also know that the globe is not a globe and actually maps out to more then what a circle should map out to. The Globe would be far more accurate as a Cube Honestly and a Cube can easily be unfolded to rectangle shape. However we as humans only recognize a flat plane as a 360 degree sphere which can't be mapped in reality as no shape as that can exist in reality.

It won't be to the right scale and it's rough, but let's see what we can make of it.

If you want to discuss your particular projection in depth, I really think you need to get it into scale far more accurately.  As it is, every continent is totally distorted.  Unless you can redefine all the major coastlines (at least) more accurately, it's a pretty useless exercise.

Scepti,
I noticed the same problem with the continents on your map as I had with mine, the sun would have to go the opposite direction in order for the sun to rise in the East.

Where is the Ice wall and how close do you think Russia is towards it?

Which Continent is closest to the Ice?

I wonder how it is, when I fly IFR, above cloud (without any reference at all to the ground), using normal maps and planning methods based on a round globe... time, speed distance calculations... that I arrive exactly where i am supposed to be. exactly when I'm supposed to be there...

With you lot drawing your own maps, one can only assume you deny 'our' maps... (this gets funnier by the day)

can you explain to me how this works please?

I wonder how it is, when I fly IFR, above cloud (without any reference at all to the ground), using normal maps and planning methods based on a round globe... time, speed distance calculations... that I arrive exactly where i am supposed to be. exactly when I'm supposed to be there...

With you lot drawing your own maps, one can only assume you deny 'our' maps... (this gets funnier by the day)

can you explain to me how this works please?

It's pretty easy how it works. (However I do admit this map isn't exactly flat but Concave and wraps in on itself)

Posting a make believe map drawn by a pre schooler doesnt actually answer the question.

How is it, I can accurately navigate from point a to b, and do it exactly on time, to the minute, based on time speed distance calcs using a ruler on a map based on a spherical earth?

Sculelos,
Can we please not post any other maps in this thread?  This should be in regards to Scepti's map only, with the poles flipped.

Posting a make believe map drawn by a pre schooler doesnt actually answer the question.

How is it, I can accurately navigate from point a to b, and do it exactly on time, to the minute, based on time speed distance calcs using a ruler on a map based on a spherical earth?

First of all, the map you were probably brought up to believe was an accurate depiction of the world, wasn't accurate.

Which projection is best?

The mathematics of projection do not permit any particular map projection to be "best" for everything. Something will always get distorted. Therefore a diversity of projections exists to service the many uses of maps and their vast range of scales.

Modern national mapping systems typically employ a transverse Mercator or close variant for large-scale maps in order to preserve conformality and low variation in scale over small areas. For smaller-scale maps, such as those spanning continents or the entire world, many projections are in common use according to their fitness for the purpose.

Thematic maps normally require an equal area projection so that phenomena per unit area are shown in correct proportion. However, representing area ratios correctly necessarily distorts shapes more than many maps that are not equal-area. Hence reference maps of the world often appear on compromise projections instead. Due to the severe distortions inherent in any map of the world, within reason the choice of projection becomes largely one of æsthetics.

The Mercator projection, developed for navigational purposes, has often been used in world maps where other projections would have been more appropriate. This problem has long been recognized even outside professional circles. For example a 1943 New York Times editorial states:

The time has come to discard [the Mercator] for something that represents the continents and directions less deceptively... Although its usage... has diminished... it is still highly popular as a wall map apparently in part because, as a rectangular map, it fills a rectangular wall space with more map, and clearly because its familiarity breeds more popularity.

A controversy in the 1980s over the Peters map motivated the American Cartographic Association (now Cartography and Geographic Information Society) to produce a series of booklets (including Which Map is Best[10]) designed to educate the public about map projections and distortion in maps. In 1989 and 1990, after some internal debate, seven North American geographic organizations adopted a resolution recommending against using any rectangular projection (including Mercator and Gall–Peters) for reference maps of the world. - Wikipedia

Second of all, you will get where you need to regardless of whether the Earth is a sphere or flat.

YOu havnt answered the question at all.. regardlesss of  the 'projection' the numbers need to add up..

A map is simply a representation of reality - IT IS NOT reality.  However, it must represent reality in respect to distances and headings relative to each other.. in other words, the coordinates must be right.  Regardless of the 'projection', all projections represent the globe... not somethign flat or concave as one of your more loony members suggest.

If the world is flat, the coordinates on our maps would not be accurate.

Furthermore, given planes have been around for 100 years, and most pilots live in a bubble of ignorance in your opinion, why hasnt anyone flown off the edge of the world yet?  Seeing planes fly all over the globe, surely at least one MUST have seen the edge? or flown off it.. just one?

Sculelos,
Can we please not post any other maps in this thread?  This should be in regards to Scepti's map only, with the poles flipped.

I'll post one more as a direct response to this but it's not officially endorsed by me but it is what Earth would look like if you flipped the poles and flipped it's concavity for convexity. It simply doesn't make any real logical sense at all to me. (Earth is provably not convex especially if you looked at the rectilinear experiments, plus the projection just doesn't make any real sense)

No, it doesn't.  So you might want to delete that post.   

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on February 13, 2014, 06:07:59 PM

Sculelos,
Can we please not post any other maps in this thread?  This should be in regards to Scepti's map only, with the poles flipped.

I'll post one more as a direct response to this but it's not officially endorsed by me but it is what Earth would look like if you flipped the poles and flipped it's concavity for convexity. It simply doesn't make any real logical sense at all to me. (Earth is provably not convex especially if you looked at the rectilinear experiments, plus the projection just doesn't make any real sense)

Oh.. dear...

I am increasingly thinking that your just taking the piss.. no same person could possibly believe the nonsense you post!... you seem to be able to comprehend english ok..  you can hold a conversation - yet you post this drivel....  i think your having a lend of us.

No, it doesn't.  So you might want to delete that post.   

I never delete what I post. It might be stupid sometimes but I want to know when I've been stupid so I can later refine myself a bit more clearly. Little changes eventually lead to big paradigm shifts.

Furthermore, given planes have been around for 100 years, and most pilots live in a bubble of ignorance in your opinion, why hasnt anyone flown off the edge of the world yet?  Seeing planes fly all over the globe, surely at least one MUST have seen the edge? or flown off it.. just one?

In MY opinion?  I never said that about pilots.  Anyway, if anyone has tried to fly to the edge and lived to tell about it, they flew into complete darkness and ran out of fuel or were smart enough to turn back before that point.

Every day, about 180,000 planes take off globally.

Of those, how many do you think fall of the edge or 'turn back'... considering no one as yet has actually said anything.

Every day, about 180,000 planes take off globally.

Of those, how many do you think fall of the edge or 'turn back'... considering no one as yet has actually said anything.

How many of them fly over Antarctica?  Practically none, right?  A plane would have to fly deep into Antarctica before even coming close to the edge.  The sun's light can only penetrate so far before there will  be total darkness and extreme cold.

Right so the edge is in Antarctica? rightio.

Antarctica is the Rim Continent.  The edge, if it exists, would lie a great distance past Antarctica's shores. 

I done a rough covering of a globe and roughly copied the land masses around it, then decided to open it up from the north pole side instead of having a south pole rim on opening.
It won't be to the right scale and it's rough, but let's see what we can make of it.

Did you know there are a mere 2 miles between the land boundaries of Alaska and Russia?

Did you know there are a mere 2 miles between the land boundaries of Alaska and Russia?

I tried adding South and East directions.