When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1800 on: September 09, 2019, 03:11:13 PM »
In the context of defending and being able to make a compelling case against his arguments, you have clearly failed. nearly 1800 posts later and you are still here regurgitating the same crap that clearly has not resonated or gotten through.
Complete non-sequitur.
In no way does people choosing to reject reality and likely be a troll have any indication of the merit of arguments.

The fact that he has to repeatedly run onto different topics rather than stick to the same topic is far more telling. That indicates that it likely is getting through and that he knows is spouting BS and is running from the truth.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1801 on: September 09, 2019, 03:15:59 PM »
I'm just wanting to know how much curvature (arc) should be visible when viewed from the ISS with a human eye.
Then why don't you do the math yourself?

Remember, this is a thread where you are trying to defeat the RE model.

And where is the picture?
It is impossible to capture a picture to render on a flat monitor which properly depicts what the human eye sees.
This is because the human eye sees with 2 angular dimensions, i.e. as a sphere, rather than with 2 Cartesian directions like a flat monitor.
In order to do it properly you would need to render the image onto a curved surface to invert the distortion of the camera and then view it from the centre of that image, and you could hypothetically do that with any camera/photo as long as you had all the relevant details.

NASA has no consistency with their pictures.
No, there is plenty of consistency, just not when you compare it between vastly different cameras.
But why should their be that consistency between different cameras? They are for different purposes.
Do you complain in general that people use different cameras with different settings rather than just always taking pictures with the exact same settings?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1802 on: September 09, 2019, 04:40:15 PM »
Why does the radius of Earth keep changing as viewed for the alleged ISS?

Can anyone here post a picture of what Earth’s horizon actually looks like as viewed for the alleged ISS?



Why do things look different when viewed with different lenses?  You've been told before but apparently ignored it.
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
https://i.imgur.com/8Tg5bP3.gifv
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1803 on: September 09, 2019, 05:17:56 PM »
I'm just wanting to know how much curvature (arc) should be visible when viewed from the ISS with a human eye. And where is the picture? What wrong with that? 
Unfortunately that question isn't as straightforward as you might think it should be.  It helps to understand the difference between how the human eye and cameras work.  This link might help:
Why can't I just point my camera at what I'm seeing and record that? It's a seemingly simple question. It's also one of the most complicated to answer, and requires delving into not only how a camera records light, but also how and why our eyes work the way they do.

NASA has no consistency with their pictures.
Like most photographers, NASA astronauts use a variety lenses for their various photographs.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1804 on: September 09, 2019, 05:29:27 PM »
Like most photographers, NASA astronauts use a variety lenses for their various photographs.

Given most images go through some photo editing software before they are published, surely the software can make a correction for lens distortion.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1805 on: September 09, 2019, 05:46:12 PM »
Like most photographers, NASA astronauts use a variety lenses for their various photographs.

Given most images go through some photo editing software before they are published, surely the software can make a correction for lens distortion.

Sure, if you so wish to change the properties of the lens that was used to capture the image. I'm not sure I get your point.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1806 on: September 09, 2019, 05:52:07 PM »
I'm just wanting to know how much curvature (arc) should be visible when viewed from the ISS with a human eye. And where is the picture? What wrong with that?  NASA has no consistency with their pictures.

Did you figure out how no one has noticed lines of longitude diverge in the Southern Hemisphere instead of converge?
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1807 on: September 09, 2019, 05:53:25 PM »
Like most photographers, NASA astronauts use a variety lenses for their various photographs.

Given most images go through some photo editing software before they are published, surely the software can make a correction for lens distortion.

Sure, if you so wish to change the properties of the lens that was used to capture the image. I'm not sure I get your point.

I get that NASA might want to use a lens that has a slight distortion to capture a wide field of view. To capture as much picture as they can. A fish eye lens can capture more image then a flat lens could but the fish eye lens isn't really telling you the truth. Just walk into a house you want to buy that looked really spacious on the photo but quite small in reality.

Surely Photoshop or others can correct the distortion but keep the pretty picture?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1808 on: September 09, 2019, 05:57:58 PM »
Why does the radius of Earth keep changing as viewed for the alleged ISS?
It doesn't!
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Can anyone here post a picture of what Earth’s horizon actually looks like as viewed for the alleged ISS?
     
You just did "post" TWO pictures "of what Earth’s horizon actually looks like as viewed for the ISS"!
The left photo was taken with a close to "normal lens" (maybe 40 mm focal length) but the second with a much wider angle lens, I'd guess about 20 mm.

But why you have to ask the same question over and over again even when it already has been answered?
Ask them why, Earth’s shape is never uniform. Why?
We don't have to "Ask them why Earth’s shape is never uniform" because the Earth’s shape is quite uniform!

The curve of the horizon depends on the field-of-view.
Sometimes might be distorted by the barrel distortion common on very wide-angle lenses or severely distorted by 180° fish-eye lenses!

Read this!
It is about the photographic equipment used on the ISS but since YOU do not publish the SOURCE of YOUR photos YOU can research what cameras and lenses were used!
Quote from: John Aldred
This is the camera gear that NASA use on the International Space Station


Recently, in a Space Station Live stream, American astronaut Jeff Williams received the question again and went into some detail on the equipment they use on the ISS.
Known for the high level of detail they can capture, wide dynamic range, and high ISO performance, NASA’s weapon of choice today is the Nikon D4, of which the ISS houses several, along with a wide selection of Nikon lenses, including the Nikon 24-70mm f/2.8E ED VR shown the above photo.


Space Station Live: Williams Talks Candidly about Cameras
NASA range of lenses includes everything from super wide angle, to “several” of the massive Nikon 800mm f/5.6E FL ED VR, which becomes 1120mm equivalent when used with the Nikon AF-S FX TC-14E III 1.4x Teleconverter.



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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1809 on: September 09, 2019, 06:25:36 PM »
I talked with a couple Optics Manufacturing Specialist today about the photos of Earth taken from the alleged ISS. Both were happy to help with my concerns, and both found that what I had to say and questions interesting.  One in particular said, “Iv’ not seen that before, I have Google ready”, after I said NASA’s has pictures of Earth without any curve. He found the pictures and was speechless for a few moments.  I asked, how can a curved surface display such a straight horizon in a picture? He was still speechless. I asked again, and he said “it can’t.”

I also learned that only a horizontal line will bow (distortion) perfectly to a concave shape or convex shape. But a curved line cannot distort to a straight line or convex to a perfect round line, but will become compressed and warp.

The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance has to do with the intentional position of the camera at such an angle that distorts the horizon to a convex shape they choose.  They cherry pick the angle of the camera to make it appear Earth is curved when it’s clearly not and never get the angle quite right to match all pictures.

So all the videos using a fisheye lens, showing the horizon with a perfect horizon in a still shot belong to a horizontal line and not a curved line. So again, yes NASA fakes pictures of Earth by tilting the camera containing a fisheye lens.   

It makes me wonder if someone has been leaking real pictures or they posted by mistake. Either way these pictures do not belong to a curved Earth. The science of optics is the proof. And no, I don’t believe these pics were taken from some micro G environment. The ISS is not what they say it is.

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/news/a23659991/iss-astronaut-alexander-gerst-orbital-sunrise-photos/
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2047.html





« Last Edit: September 09, 2019, 06:45:39 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1810 on: September 09, 2019, 06:27:14 PM »
Sure you did.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1811 on: September 09, 2019, 08:31:18 PM »
I talked with a couple Optics Manufacturing Specialist today about the photos of Earth taken from the alleged ISS. Both were happy to help with my concerns, and both found that what I had to say and questions interesting.  One in particular said, “Iv’ not seen that before, I have Google ready”, after I said NASA’s has pictures of Earth without any curve. He found the pictures and was speechless for a few moments.  I asked, how can a curved surface display such a straight horizon? He was still speechless. I asked again, and he said “you can’t.”

I also learned that only a horizontal line will bow (distortion) perfectly to a concave shape or convex shape. But a curved line cannot distort to a straight line or convex to a perfect round line, but will become compressed and warp.
You did, did you? Then either:
  • You totally misunderstood what they meant or
  • They must have been extremely ignorant ones.
I'll put my money on the first option.

Lens distortion, either barrel or pincushion, can easily make straight lines look curved and curved lines look straight!
Run of and learn a little about geometric distortion in lenses! Maybe read: Photographylife: What is Lens Distortion? By Nasim Mansurov

Look at this:


An image with curved lines
     
Made straight again with lens causing pincushion distortion.

Another case, this time an image with a convex curve straightened by barrel-distortion:


An image with a convex curve
     
straightened by barrel-distortion.

Quote from: Plat Terra
The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance has to do with the intentional position of the camera at such an angle that distorts the horizon to a convex shape they choose.  They cherry pick the angle of the camera to make it appear Earth is curved when it’s clearly not and never get the angle quite right to match all pictures.
No! "The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance" is that different lens focal lengths are used!

Quote from: Plat Terra
So all the videos using a fisheye lens, showing the horizon with a perfect horizon in a still shot belong to a horizontal line and not a curved line. So again, yes NASA fakes pictures of Earth by tilting the camera containing a fisheye lens.   
No! "The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance" is that different lens focal lengths are use!

Quote from: Plat Terra
It makes me wonder if someone has been leaking real pictures or they posted by mistake. Either way these pictures do not belong to a curved Earth.
No! The pictures fit a curved a curved Earth perfectly!

Quote from: Plat Terra
The science of optics is the proof. And no, I don’t believe these pics were taken from some micro G environment. The ISS is not what they say it is.
You seem to know nothing of the "science of optics"! Where did you dredge that up from?

What YOU believe of the ISS does not change the facts in the slightest!

Quote from: Plat Terra
https://www.countryliving.com/uk/news/a23659991/iss-astronaut-alexander-gerst-orbital-sunrise-photos/
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2047.html


That photo only covers about 3° of angular width! Of course, the horizon looks flat!

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As do these!
Please stop wasting everybody's times and learn something about photography and the effect of different fields-of-view!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1812 on: September 09, 2019, 08:44:03 PM »
I'm just wanting to know how much curvature (arc) should be visible when viewed from the ISS with a human eye. And where is the picture? What wrong with that?  NASA has no consistency with their pictures.

There will be one degree per 60 nautical miles.
Now scale it to camera angle and image size.
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1813 on: September 09, 2019, 09:27:08 PM »
I talked with a couple Optics Manufacturing Specialist today about the photos of Earth taken from the alleged ISS. Both were happy to help with my concerns, and both found that what I had to say and questions interesting.  One in particular said, “Iv’ not seen that before, I have Google ready”, after I said NASA’s has pictures of Earth without any curve. He found the pictures and was speechless for a few moments.  I asked, how can a curved surface display such a straight horizon? He was still speechless. I asked again, and he said “you can’t.”

I also learned that only a horizontal line will bow (distortion) perfectly to a concave shape or convex shape. But a curved line cannot distort to a straight line or convex to a perfect round line, but will become compressed and warp.
You did, did you? Then either:
  • You totally misunderstood what they meant or
  • They must have been extremely ignorant ones.
I'll put my money on the first option.

Lens distortion, either barrel or pincushion, can easily make straight lines look curved and curved lines look straight!
Run of and learn a little about geometric distortion in lenses! Maybe read: Photographylife: What is Lens Distortion? By Nasim Mansurov

Look at this:


An image with curved lines
     
Made straight again with lens causing pincushion distortion.

Another case, this time an image with a convex curve straightened by barrel-distortion:


An image with a convex curve
     
straightened by barrel-distortion.

Quote from: Plat Terra
The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance has to do with the intentional position of the camera at such an angle that distorts the horizon to a convex shape they choose.  They cherry pick the angle of the camera to make it appear Earth is curved when it’s clearly not and never get the angle quite right to match all pictures.
No! "The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance" is that different lens focal lengths are used!

Quote from: Plat Terra
So all the videos using a fisheye lens, showing the horizon with a perfect horizon in a still shot belong to a horizontal line and not a curved line. So again, yes NASA fakes pictures of Earth by tilting the camera containing a fisheye lens.   
No! "The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance" is that different lens focal lengths are use!

Quote from: Plat Terra
It makes me wonder if someone has been leaking real pictures or they posted by mistake. Either way these pictures do not belong to a curved Earth.
No! The pictures fit a curved a curved Earth perfectly!

Quote from: Plat Terra
The science of optics is the proof. And no, I don’t believe these pics were taken from some micro G environment. The ISS is not what they say it is.
You seem to know nothing of the "science of optics"! Where did you dredge that up from?

What YOU believe of the ISS does not change the facts in the slightest!

Quote from: Plat Terra
https://www.countryliving.com/uk/news/a23659991/iss-astronaut-alexander-gerst-orbital-sunrise-photos/
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2047.html


That photo only covers about 3° of angular width! Of course, the horizon looks flat!

Quote from: Plat Terra


As do these!
Please stop wasting everybody's times and learn something about photography and the effect of different fields-of-view!

From the link you posted.

1) Optical Distortion
In photography, distortion is generally referred to an optical aberration that deforms and bends physically straight lines and makes them appear curvy in images, which is why such distortion is also commonly referred to as “curvilinear” (more on this below).

1.1) Barrel Distortion
When straight lines are curved inwards in a shape of a barrel, this type of aberration is called “barrel distortion”. Commonly seen on wide angle lenses, barrel distortion happens because the field of view of the lens is much wider than the size of the image sensor and hence it needs to be “squeezed” to fit. As a result, straight lines are visibly curved inwards, especially towards the extreme edges of the frame. Here is an example of strong barrel distortion:

1.2) Pincushion Distortion
Pincushion distortion is the exact opposite of barrel distortion – straight lines are curved outwards from the center. This type of distortion is commonly seen on telephoto lenses, and it occurs due to image magnification increasing towards the edges of the frame from the optical axis. This time, the field of view is smaller than the size of the image sensor and it thus needs to be “stretched” to fit. As a result, straight lines appear to be pulled upwards in the corners, as seen below:

1.3) Mustache Distortion
The nastiest of the radial distortion types is mustache distortion, which I sometimes call “wavy” distortion. It is basically a combination of the barrel distortion and pincushion distortion. Straight lines appear curved inwards towards the center of the frame, then curve outwards at the extreme corners, as shown below:

Picture A - There are no pictures of ISS flying over the surface of this Earth.



Picture B - There are tons of pictures with ISS flying over this warped surface.



Which picture is best to use for selling the idea Earth is a sphere? A or B?

It is clear NASA fakes pictures into a sphere and you defend the lies. Shame on you!
« Last Edit: September 09, 2019, 09:47:16 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1814 on: September 09, 2019, 09:34:45 PM »
I'm just wanting to know how much curvature (arc) should be visible when viewed from the ISS with a human eye. And where is the picture? What wrong with that?  NASA has no consistency with their pictures.

There will be one degree per 60 nautical miles.
Now scale it to camera angle and image size.

But what about distance to the horizon and width of the horizon?

This is the curvature at 70,000'. Now add 250 miles. 



« Last Edit: September 09, 2019, 09:36:51 PM by Plat Terra »
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1815 on: September 09, 2019, 09:58:00 PM »
It is clear NASA fakes pictures into a sphere and you defend the lies. Shame on you!
Yeah, rrright.

The only thing clear here is that Dunning-Kruger is strong in you.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1816 on: September 09, 2019, 09:58:05 PM »
What defeat looks like:

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Rab still rabbin' on after 20,000 posts and no one gives a damn!

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1817 on: September 09, 2019, 10:01:09 PM »
True, you do not seem to heed.

Oh, Plat’s curve pic from 70 000 feet. What are the metrics involved? How much of the horizon is seen in the example? I did not quite understand it.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1818 on: September 09, 2019, 10:40:48 PM »
Like most photographers, NASA astronauts use a variety lenses for their various photographs.

Given most images go through some photo editing software before they are published, surely the software can make a correction for lens distortion.

Sure, if you so wish to change the properties of the lens that was used to capture the image. I'm not sure I get your point.

I get that NASA might want to use a lens that has a slight distortion to capture a wide field of view. To capture as much picture as they can. A fish eye lens can capture more image then a flat lens could but the fish eye lens isn't really telling you the truth. Just walk into a house you want to buy that looked really spacious on the photo but quite small in reality.

Surely Photoshop or others can correct the distortion but keep the pretty picture?

This kind of presumes NASA is using a fish eye lens in some images to exaggerate the curve of the earth so that they can prove the curve of the earth. Which I don't think they really care about. But yeah, you can take any one of their images into PS and apply any sort of lens distortion or otherwise to it. They give you all of the camera data/specs so you can even choose, for example, a Nikkor 28mm lens, if you want.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1819 on: September 09, 2019, 10:46:07 PM »
I'm just wanting to know how much curvature (arc) should be visible when viewed from the ISS with a human eye. And where is the picture? What wrong with that?  NASA has no consistency with their pictures.

There will be one degree per 60 nautical miles.
Now scale it to camera angle and image size.
But what about distance to the horizon and width of the horizon?
Can't you do anything for yourself?

From the ISS height the horizon would be around 2300 km away and the "width of the horizon" is meaningless without the field-of-view.

Quote from: Plat Terra
This is the curvature at 70,000'. Now add 250 miles. 

Where did you drag that useless image from?
Whatever it is, it's meaningless without knowing either the field-of-view in degrees or that camera focal length.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1820 on: September 09, 2019, 10:47:26 PM »
Next……

How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

How is it done according to your theory?

Or did they forget about this too? :)
The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1821 on: September 09, 2019, 10:52:48 PM »
What defeat looks like:

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Rab still rabbin' on after 20,000 posts and no one gives a damn!
In other words you've nothing useful for to add! I knew that long ago.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1822 on: September 09, 2019, 11:02:17 PM »
What defeat looks like:

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Rab still rabbin' on after 20,000 posts and no one gives a damn!
In other words you've nothing useful for to add! I knew that long ago.

The OP topic is when will the RE community accept defeat.

Therefore my post is fine

Give me one post in your 20,000+ posts that is of any use at all. Show me one FE'er whose mind you changed

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What animal relates to your wife?

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1823 on: September 09, 2019, 11:25:21 PM »
Next……
How does your sphere earth maintain balance?

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?

No, why would it?
The earth is like a massive top spinning in a near perfect vacuum that causes almost negligible friction.
And like a top it is tilted (at about 23.5° to the "ecliptic") and precesses very slowly with a period of approximately 25,772 years.

There is a very slight drag due to the tidal effects of the moon making the average day about 20 millionths of a second longer every year.

Not enough to bother any but the fussiest clock-watchers ;).

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How is it done according to your theory?
Nothing has to be done according to fact!

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Or did they forget about this too?
No, but it is a topic that's been carefully studied for many centuries because until very recently the earth's period of rotation has been our time reference.

So you know nothing about the history of time-keeping either - that's a huge list of things that you seem to know nothing about.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1824 on: September 09, 2019, 11:28:14 PM »
Give me one post in your 20,000+ posts that is of any use at all. Show me one FE'er whose mind you changed
That is quite irrelevant because the OP topic is "when will the RE community accept defeat."

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1825 on: September 10, 2019, 01:31:50 AM »
Surely Photoshop or others can correct the distortion but keep the pretty picture?
No, they can't.
Try correcting for the distortion of a fish eye lens with 180 degree FOV.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1826 on: September 10, 2019, 01:49:47 AM »
Surely Photoshop or others can correct the distortion but keep the pretty picture?
No, they can't.
Try correcting for the distortion of a fish eye lens with 180 degree FOV.

The size of the picture will just fit in a larger dimension. Much like if you try and take a panoramic or 360 degree picture using multiple pictures joined together

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1827 on: September 10, 2019, 01:55:18 AM »
I talked with a couple Optics Manufacturing Specialist today about the photos of Earth taken from the alleged ISS. Both were happy to help with my concerns, and both found that what I had to say and questions interesting.  One in particular said, “Iv’ not seen that before, I have Google ready”, after I said NASA’s has pictures of Earth without any curve. He found the pictures and was speechless for a few moments.  I asked, how can a curved surface display such a straight horizon in a picture? He was still speechless. I asked again, and he said “it can’t.”

I also learned that only a horizontal line will bow (distortion) perfectly to a concave shape or convex shape. But a curved line cannot distort to a straight line or convex to a perfect round line, but will become compressed and warp.
And more lies from Plat.
It is quite easy for a round horizon to appear straight.
One simple option is to only focus on a small portion of the horizon, then with such a small curve it will appear straight.
Another is with a fish eye lens which curves the horizon in the opposite direction.

If you wish to claim it is impossible, then provide valid references or the math/simulation to support that claim.

But again, I will skip that and just post the refutation even more firmly.
This is a simulation from POV-Ray, of a round Earth, with a wide angle lens:

Notice how before the model of Earth crosses the centre of the FOV it appears straight? Then as it exits with all of Earth above the centre of the FOV it again appears straight?

So I think I will stick with reality with a RE potentially appearing straight due to lens distortion.

Also note that this makes a video much better than a still image.
With a video you can analyse how the horizon appears in various positions relative to the centre of the FOV.
Assuming there is significant lens distortion which results in the horizon sometimes appearing curved, then:
for a hypothetical straight horizon the horizon would only appear straight when it is passing through the centre of the FOV. When the horizon is away from the centre of FOV it will appear curved;
for a round horizon (from the real round Earth), it will appear curved when passing through the centre of the FOV. If the Earth side of the horizon is closer to the centre of the FOV than the non-Earth side, then the curve will appear exaggerated. If the Earth side of the horizon is further from the centre of the FOV than the non-Earth side, then the curve will appear diminished, with one point resulting in a straight line and beyond that it will be inverted.

Also, if you bother looking closely enough, the picture you provided actually has a slight curve to the horizon, and as a reminder, the horizon shouldn't exist on a flat Earth.

In photography, distortion is generally referred to an optical aberration that deforms and bends physically straight lines and makes them appear curvy in images
Are you really planning on taking the full-stupid option of claiming only perfectly straight lines will be distorted and non-straight lines will magically not get distorted?

Picture A - There are no pictures of ISS flying over the surface of this Earth.
So are you saying it is a fake picture and not of the real Earth, because there are plenty of pictures of the ISS flying over the very real Earth we live on.

Which picture is best to use for selling the idea Earth is a sphere? A or B?
I prefer the pictures from EPIC.

It is clear NASA fakes pictures into a sphere and you defend the lies. Shame on you!
No, it is clear you are yet again lying about NASA so you can pretend that Earth is flat.
You are yet to provide a single reason to think NASA is lying or that Earth isn't round.

This is the curvature at 70,000'. Now add 250 miles.
For how much of the horizon? Notice that key part you left out?
Here is another image of the curvature at 70 000 archaic units (assuming yours was correct):

Doesn't really look like much does it?

Also, if you are using Pythagoras like that, you are doing it wrong. That is for a great circle, which is only going to be visible from infinitely far away.
At other times, the horizon will be hiding that great circle.
You need to use much more complex math which is based upon the camera's FOV and the position of the object.

Next……
So you abandon yet another nonsense claim and flee to another.

Surly after so many years maintenance needs to be done to keep earths spin smooth, right?
Why should it?
Are you again referring to mechanical devices like those that use bearings?
Earth doesn't have bearings which wear out and need lubrication or maintenance.

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Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1828 on: September 10, 2019, 02:19:38 AM »
The size of the picture will just fit in a larger dimension. Much like if you try and take a panoramic or 360 degree picture using multiple pictures joined together
No, not really like if you take a panoramic or 360 degree picture.
With those you only span over 1 angular dimension, keeping the other fairly constant. This is quite easy as you are just unrolling a cylinder and thus don't have serious issues with distortion. Geometrically that cylindrical surface is flat, i.e. has no Gaussian curvature.

With a fish eye lens you span over 2 angular dimensions, and thus will introduce distortions.

But that is ignoring the key issue, the issue was trying to make it appear as it does normally. A panoramic view doesn't show you how something normally looks.

The best you can do with either is cut out a section of it and make that look like it would "normally" look.
The other option is to project it onto a curved surface instead of a flat one.

Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« Reply #1829 on: September 10, 2019, 02:22:22 AM »
I talked with a couple Optics Manufacturing Specialist today about the photos of Earth taken from the alleged ISS. Both were happy to help with my concerns, and both found that what I had to say and questions interesting.  One in particular said, “Iv’ not seen that before, I have Google ready”, after I said NASA’s has pictures of Earth without any curve. He found the pictures and was speechless for a few moments.  I asked, how can a curved surface display such a straight horizon in a picture? He was still speechless. I asked again, and he said “it can’t.”

I also learned that only a horizontal line will bow (distortion) perfectly to a concave shape or convex shape. But a curved line cannot distort to a straight line or convex to a perfect round line, but will become compressed and warp.

The reason for some of NASA’s pictures not having the same curvature at the same distance has to do with the intentional position of the camera at such an angle that distorts the horizon to a convex shape they choose.  They cherry pick the angle of the camera to make it appear Earth is curved when it’s clearly not and never get the angle quite right to match all pictures.

So all the videos using a fisheye lens, showing the horizon with a perfect horizon in a still shot belong to a horizontal line and not a curved line. So again, yes NASA fakes pictures of Earth by tilting the camera containing a fisheye lens.   

It makes me wonder if someone has been leaking real pictures or they posted by mistake. Either way these pictures do not belong to a curved Earth. The science of optics is the proof. And no, I don’t believe these pics were taken from some micro G environment. The ISS is not what they say it is.

https://www.countryliving.com/uk/news/a23659991/iss-astronaut-alexander-gerst-orbital-sunrise-photos/
https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_2047.html






Aah
So unnamed random guy is the authority on earths shape.
Good stuff plata.
You and speechless guy win (vs 10 of us plus the other 7.5B).

Too bad you then refuted yourself by posting the sun rising with a flat bottom as if it were coming up from behind a massive object.

Keep it going.