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Flat Earth Discussion Boards => Flat Earth General => Topic started by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 07:09:44 PM

Title: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 07:09:44 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

(https://i.imgur.com/soROEsV.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 07:30:33 PM
The center of Panama Canal (18 miles) on Gatun Lake is 3,828 Miles
from center of an alleged Globe Earth with a 3,959 mile radius.


The "3828 miles" is the wrong part that confused you.

Elevations are measured from the sea level, not from some imaginary flat plane.
Sea level follows the shape of the Earth, not that flat plane.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile, this might help you get the real picture:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/WGS84_mean_Earth_radius.svg/440px-WGS84_mean_Earth_radius.svg.png)

a = 3963.19 miles
b = 3949.9 miles
(2a + b) / 3 = 3958.76 miles
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: New Earth on July 29, 2019, 07:38:28 PM
Beautiful Flat earth victory. All Hail the mighty Rowbotham!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 07:46:17 PM
The center of Panama Canal (18 miles) on Gatun Lake is 3,828 Miles
from center of an alleged Globe Earth with a 3,959 mile radius.


The "3828 miles" is the wrong part that confused you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile, this might help you get the real picture:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/WGS84_mean_Earth_radius.svg/440px-WGS84_mean_Earth_radius.svg.png)

a = 3963.19 miles
b = 3949.9 miles
(2a + b) / 3 = 3958.76 miles

Nope. Not going to work no matter how you twist it. Gatun Lake is 85 miles above both Oceans sea level, no matter how far sea level  is to the center of Earth at that location. The calculation to center of Earth at that location will still put the Panama Canal under water.  18 miles is not going to make any difference. You are being intellectually dishonest. You should know better. 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: markjo on July 29, 2019, 07:48:17 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
That depends.  When will the FE community come up with a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 07:58:29 PM
You can use https://rechneronline.de/earth-radius/ (https://rechneronline.de/earth-radius/):


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/9eT4I4.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 08:02:32 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

EDIT: And you did just opposite: you "measured" from some imaginary straight line that would be secant (cord) of the shape of the sea.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 29, 2019, 08:05:20 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
That depends.  When will the FE community come up with a flat earth model that works better than the RE model?
When will the FE Community Accept Defeat in trying to come up with an accurate Flat Earth Map ?

That illustration is misleading and completely out of scale.
That illustration is completely dishonest !
Just who is being dishonest ?

The curvature of the earth would hardly be shown with that much curvature.
The length of the Panama Canal is about 51 miles.
The Panama Canal is close to the Equator at about 9 Degrees North Latitude.
The Circumference of the Earth would be close to 25,000 miles.
With the small mileage of 51 miles for the Panama Canal and the great mileage of 25,000 miles for the Circumference of the Earth, the curvature in that drawing should be shown as very close to a straight line instead of the exaggerated curve as shown in the drawing .
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 08:13:30 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 29, 2019, 08:22:25 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

PlatTerra your signature line is completely dishonest too. The curvature of the Earth has been measured in many ways.
The computation for the distance to the horizon for different heights above sea level is just one example of how the curvature of the earth has been measured.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 08:24:04 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

PlatTerra your signature line is completely dishonest too. The curvature of the Earth has been measured lol?in many ways.
The computation for the distance to the horizon for different heights above sea level is just one example of how the curvature of the earth has been measured.

Then tell me what is the verified surface curvature of Florida and I will remove my signature.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 08:34:57 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 08:52:27 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 29, 2019, 08:56:55 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

How much is 3962 miles + 85 miles?  4047 miles, correct?

Where are you getting 85 miles?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 29, 2019, 08:59:30 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

PlatTerra your signature line is completely dishonest too. The curvature of the Earth has been measured lol?in many ways.
The computation for the distance to the horizon for different heights above sea level is just one example of how the curvature of the earth has been measured.

Then tell me what is the verified surface curvature of Florida and I will remove my signature.

It would depend on what section of Florida it would be measured .
The curvature is just the distance involved in comparison with the distance of the circumference of the Earth.
The example I mentioned in my post may not be a direct measurement of the curvature of the Earth but it definitely is prove of the evidence of the curvature of the earth.
Unless you want to call that as false....And the U.S. Navy and all its Lookouts are liars and part of the Conspiracy ?
The example was from the U.S. Navy's " Manual For Lookouts "
Which show the distance to the horizon for different heights above the level of the sea.
If the earth was flat the FE idea seems to be that a person could see at some  far distance and only limited by the Haze of the so-called "atmoplane" .
In reality the person on the real Earth can see is limited by the distance he can see to the horizon
And the distance the person can see to the horizon depends on high he is above the level of the sea or the land.
That is why, on early ships, the man in the crow's nest, mounted high on one of the masts of the ship, could see farther than the man on the bridge of the ships.
Atmospheric conditions play a part in how far a person can see , too, of course.
If the earth was flat , the man on the bridge could see just as far as the man in the crow's nest.
There would be no need for crow's nests on ships if the earth was flat.

Of course this is all really elementary.
Everyone but Flat Earthers seem to be aware the Earth is not a Flat Earth.

The real question is "  When will the FE Community Accept  Defeat ? "
I think it is something like that last line of  the University  Of Texas song :
" The eyes of Texas are upon you..........'Til Gabriel blows His Horn ! "
LOL
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 08:59:57 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

How much is 3962 miles + 85 miles?  4047 miles, correct?

Where are you getting 85 miles?
OOPS
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2019, 09:48:03 PM
You are being intellectually dishonest.

Are you calling me "intellectually dishonest" to cover your misconceptions?

Water still follows the shape of the Earth, doesn't get flattened there by some unknown force.

Speaking of the location of the Panama Canal, how far is it to the center of the Earth from the Pacific Ocean's and Atlantic Ocean's sea level? Again, how far is it from sea level at that location to the center of your alleged Earth?

I gave you those numbers up there.
It's here again so you can understant better:

At 9 degrees north:
Atlantic from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles
Gatun from center of Earth - 3962.884 miles
Miraflores from center of Earth - 3962.878 miles
Pacific from center of Earth - 3962.868 miles

Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

EDIT: I didn't add the gates here, you can understand them on your own.

How much is 3962 miles + 85 miles?  4047 miles, correct?

Where are you getting 85 miles?
OOPS

Now that that's been cleared up, do you still have an argument you'd like to make? I see that you've deleted a bunch from your OP. Do you understand yet how the globe model works?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 09:55:50 PM
It's late. Simple mistake. I had miles instead of 131 feet in my write up. My Meme is still correct the Panama Canal wouldn't exist if Earth were a sphere.

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

(https://i.imgur.com/soROEsV.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 10:03:28 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Your "216 ft" are below those 85 and 54 feet, doesn't overlap them.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/1U9K9z.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 10:21:18 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 10:25:16 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 10:40:50 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 10:55:05 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why?



Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2019, 10:59:40 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

I clearly showed you where is the drop of 216 feet.
It is below the sea level.

Between the sea level and the plane connecting the coast lines.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/H87x7Q.png)


EDIT: My mistake, and my apologies.

The drop is 216 feet, but from the local horizontal line at one coast.
The bulge is smaller.
The bulge is 53 feet high.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/OeR2Ra.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 11:02:16 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 29, 2019, 11:32:03 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal

It's supposed to be above the LOCAL sea level.
And it is.
Above the level where the water would be if you removed the ground.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 29, 2019, 11:36:20 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
All the points you raise show nothing more than your failure to understand that elevations are measured above Mean Sea Level and not above some arbitrary lines that you choose to draw.

But the Globe Community might consider accepting defeat when, for a start, you have proven the earth to be flat with a coherent model that has:
This is just a few that I can think of on the spot. Come back when you have sorted all those out.

I'm sure we can come up with a lot more things like the direction of rotation of hurricanes and cyclones and then the ordinary High and Low weather systems.

I'm sure that all these simple points have been raised before but I made a neat list for you to start on.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 29, 2019, 11:37:42 PM
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dbkp7Oa.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 29, 2019, 11:52:33 PM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal

It's supposed to be above the LOCAL sea level.
And it is.
Above the level where the water would be if you removed the ground.

No it does not work that way. You have it 301' above each Ocean and are measuring 216 + 85 from each ocean.  Elevation maps have only it at 85' above each Ocean and that's why if Earth were a sphere the Canal would be under 131' of sea water.

Nor can you or anyone else actually verify the canal has the 216' of curvature bulge at center as you claim. If you could you would, but can't, because it's not there. Thanks and good night!

PS, Read my signature again!

                 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 30, 2019, 12:00:26 AM
look up how lock systems work.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on July 30, 2019, 01:24:57 AM
In answer to your question, plat, the re community will accept defeat when an asteroid collides with our spinning ball planet and flattens it.

Until that happens - never. But don't worry, I'm sure you and your 70 other staunch flat earth believers will manage to convince maybe one or two more people of the 7.7 billion people on the planet right now, their world isn't a globe.

In the meantime, how about learning how flat and level are two completely different things, and that level means to be perpendicular to the force of gravity. Your water in the canal is level in accordance with the gravity of a great big ball.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2019, 02:35:14 AM
No it does not work that way. You have it 301' above each Ocean and are measuring 216 + 85 from each ocean.
But elevations are not measured above your straight line joining the nearest oceans.
The elevations on contour maps are based on where Mean Sea Level would be if a canal/watercourse were extended to that point.
It is the job of geodetic surveyors to determine local reference points, Geodetic Datums, showing precise latitude,  longitude and height above (or below) Mean Sea Level.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Elevation maps have only it at 85' above each Ocean
No, the elevations on elevation maps are not measured above the straight line joining each Ocean.

Quote from: Plat Terra
and that's why if Earth were a sphere the Canal would be under 131' of sea water.           
Hence the Canal would be not be under 131' of sea water.  Elevations along the canal route are measured above the level the oceans would have if extended along the route of the canal.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 30, 2019, 02:56:34 AM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal

It's supposed to be above the LOCAL sea level.
And it is.
Above the level where the water would be if you removed the ground.

No it does not work that way. You have it 301' above each Ocean and are measuring 216 + 85 from each ocean.  Elevation maps have only it at 85' above each Ocean and that's why if Earth were a sphere the Canal would be under 131' of sea water.

Nor can you or anyone else actually verify the canal has the 216' of curvature bulge at center as you claim. If you could you would, but can't, because it's not there. Thanks and good night!

PS, Read my signature again!     

Yeah, it does work that way, in the globe model. Before you get your knickers all bunched up in a knot, what I am saying is that you need to know and understand what you arguing against in order to effectively argue against it. Clearly, in this case, you don't.

As Macarios has painstakingly laid out and diagrammed, in the globe model, for simplicity sake, the elevation point is 0 at mean sea level. For lack of a better descriptor, that's where we start counting upwards in terms of how high shit is. Example, Everest. How tall? 29k feet and a handful of nickels. What's that based on? Mean sea level. Is there a goddamned sea anywhere near Everest? No. It's based upon what the mean sea level would be as it would slice through the base of the mountain...on a globe earth, arcing, ever so slightly because earth is massive.

Panama Canal. Atlantic side mean seal level 0. Pacific side, mean sea level 0. Mean sea level (MSL) continues as a line all the way from Pacific to Atlantic. Now imagine, Globe theory, the mean sea level is still arcing, the whatever you call it Panama Canal lake is at a water level 85' above MSL. The 216' feet of earth bulge is neither here nor there because it represents you looking straight through the spherical earth 36 miles away. You're looking straight through the arc of a sphere. If you simply walked along the contour of the sphere at MSL the lake level would continue to be 85' above you.

Understand first what one theory, in this case, Globe, purports. Then devise your argument against it. What you're doing is making up how one theory wouldn't work without knowing how that theory actually works. We've all done that. But we've all been called out on it too. And now is your time to be called out for not knowing a thing about what your talking about.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on July 30, 2019, 03:49:12 AM
Everything is very simple. Then when will remove a security classification from documents on the 5th measurement. And as it to us will not be allowed to make so far at our level of development. After Fata - the small moon fell to the ground. That people will be misled. That people did not destroy themselves. Everything is very simple.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on July 30, 2019, 07:55:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fuZbN5C.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 08:49:25 AM
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.

You are insisting on the same mistake:

Those 85 feet of Gatun, and those 54 feet of Miraflores are measured from sea level,
not from flat plane that would connect Atlantic and Pacific under it.

Sea level is where your blue arc is on your image, and Gatun and Miraflores are 85 and 54 feet above it.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/WKOCa0.png)


No, I am bypassing our sea level, and I am measuring from Each Coast line going to your center. The 85' is above both coastlines and I then add your fake curvature in between the shorelines to complete the your radius. That places Gatun below your fake curve.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

You did bypass the sea level.

People who measured 85 and 54 feet didn't bypass the sea level.

See where your discrepancy is?

You are ignoring this.

If there were 200 miles between coastlines and the lake was still at 85' above each coastlines and at center (100 miles) the Lake would be 6669' below your imaginary curve. Are you seeing it yet?

Still wrong:

You are still pushing wrong measuring origin.

It is measured from local sea level, not from some sea somewhere else (over there at the coast).

What measures would you get if you measure from the level of the Indian ocean?
(Or from Cuba in Atlantic and Hawaii in Pacific?)

This is where are those 85 and 54 feet.
M is not 54 feet.
G is not 85 feet.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xCBCaf.png)

You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

What do you mean exactly by 'curvature drop'?

You should know that.

You have the lake at 301' above each Ocean, why? Its supposed to be 85' above each ocean at the center of the canal

It's supposed to be above the LOCAL sea level.
And it is.
Above the level where the water would be if you removed the ground.

No it does not work that way. You have it 301' above each Ocean and are measuring 216 + 85 from each ocean.  Elevation maps have only it at 85' above each Ocean and that's why if Earth were a sphere the Canal would be under 131' of sea water.

Nor can you or anyone else actually verify the canal has the 216' of curvature bulge at center as you claim. If you could you would, but can't, because it's not there. Thanks and good night!

PS, Read my signature again!     

Yeah, it does work that way, in the globe model.

Yeah, that's how it works in the Globe Earth MODEL ON PAPER. But in real time the center of the Panama is not 216' (alleged curvature) + 85' above both oceans, but is only 85'.

 If you actually attempted to verified the 216' of curvature bulge between the two oceans on this Earth you would come up 216' short. This is why you guys actually ignore proving you live on a spinning ball through curvature verification. What you have on paper does not match real time.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 30, 2019, 09:09:20 AM
...and you have verified this Panama Canal theory yourself?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 09:09:40 AM
You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

I clearly showed you where is the drop of 216 feet.
It is below the sea level.

Between the sea level and the plane connecting the coast lines.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/H87x7Q.png)


EDIT: My mistake, and my apologies.

The drop is 216 feet, but from the local horizontal line at one coast.
The bulge is smaller.
The bulge is 53 feet high.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/OeR2Ra.png)

Several hours ago I corrected my mistake in this post above.

The distance of 18 miles has bulge of 53 ft.
The 216 ft is the drop on another side from the horizontal line from one side.
(Not even from the line of sight, unless your eyes are at sea level.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If there was no land, then the water would take its level in the shape of smooth ellipsoid.
Land submerged in that water is higher than that ellipsoid (the sea level) and the elevation is measured from that ellipsoid.

I already asked you what would be the values if you measured from Indian ocean?
By now you already understand why I asked that.
It is also sea level there.

But only local sea level is what counts,
not from 9 miles away from coastal line,
not from 615 miles away from Jamaica,
not from 1000 miles away from Galapagos.

From the level that would sea have right there, if there was no land.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 09:22:40 AM
You are ignoring the Curvature drop over 36 miles. Why? None of your diagrams include the curvature drop? Why?

Where is the curvature drop of 216' at 18 miles?

I clearly showed you where is the drop of 216 feet with a distance of 36 miles between points.
It is below the sea level.

Between the sea level and the plane connecting the coast lines.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/H87x7Q.png)


EDIT: My mistake, and my apologies.

The drop is 216 feet, but from the local horizontal line at one coast.
The bulge is smaller.
The bulge is 53 feet high.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/OeR2Ra.png)

Several hours ago I corrected my mistake in this post above.

The distance of 18 miles has bulge of 53 ft.
The 216 ft is the drop on another side from the horizontal line from one side.
(Not even from the line of sight, unless your eyes are at sea level.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If there was no land, then the water would take its level in the shape of smooth ellipsoid.
Land submerged in that water is higher than that ellipsoid (the sea level) and the elevation is measured from that ellipsoid.

I already asked you what would be the values if you measured from Indian ocean?
By now you already understand why I asked that.
It is also sea level there.

But only local sea level is what counts,
not from 9 miles away from coastal line,
not from 615 miles away from Jamaica,
not from 1000 miles away from Galapagos.

From the level that would sea have right there, if there was no land.

No. A bulge of 53' does not match a 3959 mile radius with a distance of 36 miles between points. 

Tell me, how much curvature should be over the Sues Canal and how much is actually there?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 30, 2019, 09:30:22 AM
Plat seems to be hung up on taking a measurement based on the general diameter of the world.
Plat
In your math, do you include for mountains?
And valleys?
Please reference where it is said thr world is perfectly shaped.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 09:52:48 AM
Elevation maps have the Panama Canals curvature bulge 85' at center between a distance of 36 miles. The Panama Canal is 85' above each Ocean. No more or less.

So, whats the new radius of Earth that matches a 85' bulge with a distance of 36 miles in between the two oceans?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 09:53:53 AM
It confused me for the moment when you mentioned 18 miles.
Sorry.

This is right set of values.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SCK1TB.png)



Which means this is correct representation of measurements:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VUMzA2.png)


Let me repeat:

All elevations everywhere are measured from the Local Sea Level, not from some existing sea water somewhere else.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 10:02:19 AM
It confused me for the moment when you mentioned 18 miles.
Sorry.

This is right set of values.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SCK1TB.png)



Which means this is correct representation of measurements:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VUMzA2.png)


Let me repeat:

All elevations everywhere are measured from the Local Sea Level, not from some existing sea water somewhere else.

We both  make mistakes.  ;)

So, what should the surface curvature bulge of the Suez Canal be and what is the actually surface curvature bulge in reality? And does it match a 3959 mile radius?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 10:03:58 AM
Elevation maps have the Panama Canals curvature bulge 85' at center between a distance of 36 miles. The Panama Canal is 85' above each Ocean. No more or less.

So, whats the new radius of Earth that matches a 85' bulge with a distance of 36 miles in between the two oceans?

These are distances from Earth center at the key points along Panama Canal:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/TWxVK6.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 10:10:03 AM
It confused me for the moment when you mentioned 18 miles.
Sorry.

This is right set of values.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SCK1TB.png)



Which means this is correct representation of measurements:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VUMzA2.png)


Let me repeat:

All elevations everywhere are measured from the Local Sea Level, not from some existing sea water somewhere else.

Oh, but the center of the Canal is 85' above each coastline. You have it at 301' above each coast. This does not agree with current elevation maps because they do not include Earth's alleged curvature.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 30, 2019, 10:30:27 AM
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dbkp7Oa.jpg?1)

Stash-
My many thanks to you for your drawing.
IMO this shows the best explanation of the true topography of the canal in relation to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Possibly the only criticism is the land mass elevations are exaggerated in relation to the rest of the scale of the drawing.
Macarios has put a lot of work in trying to explain where the errors are in PlatTerra's drawings too.

I think this whole Panama Canal subject seems rather simple to anyone who has ever studied it in some of their history classes.
As I best remember we got into the details such as how the locks raised the ships from 0 sea level to 85 feet above sea level, etc., somewhere around the 7th Grade in Elementary School History Class. And even more so in College.
But it seems some of the  FE's have missed the boat on things that seem so simple to RE's.
It's my own "IMHO" but I think the real question of this topic should not be "When will the RE Community Accept Defeat ?" but should be "When will the FE Community Accept Defeat" ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 10:44:43 AM
Oh, but the center of the Canal is 85' above each coastline. You have it at 301' above each coast. This does not agree with current elevation maps because they do not include Earth's alleged curvature.

Not above Coast Line, that's what I'm trying to tell you from the beginning.
The Coast Line is 18 miles away.

The 85 feet above Sea Level is measured right there, at the center of the canal.
That's not the same thing.

Sea Level and Flat Plane are two different things.
On global scale Sea Level (the reference surface) is not flat, it has the shape of the oblate spheroid.

Stash gave much better diagram of the Canal in his reply.
Googleotomy quoted it right above this.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 30, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
It confused me for the moment when you mentioned 18 miles.
Sorry.

This is right set of values.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/SCK1TB.png)



Which means this is correct representation of measurements:

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/VUMzA2.png)


Let me repeat:

All elevations everywhere are measured from the Local Sea Level, not from some existing sea water somewhere else.

Oh, but the center of the Canal is 85' above each coastline. You have it at 301' above each coast. This does not agree with current elevation maps because they do not include Earth's alleged curvature.

Elevation is defined as " The height above Mean Sea Level '' .
The Elevation at the center of the Canal is 85 feet above sea level.
The Elevation at the Coast Line is sea level or 0 feet.
What is so hard to understand that ?
You just have to get over believing thinking that the earth is flat . The "flat plane" has nothing to do with the elevation.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on July 30, 2019, 10:56:58 AM
MATH
It's not for everyone!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 30, 2019, 11:10:09 AM
MATH
It's not for everyone!


Marcos needsto admit defeat.
Plata is a true TomB disciple.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 11:14:29 AM
It's my own "IMHO" but I think the real question of this topic should not be "When will the RE Community Accept Defeat ?" but should be "When will the FE Community Accept Defeat" ?

I might be wrong, but I don't see these things as a matter of "victory" and "defeat".
At least not directly.

Flat Earth movement will never stop.
Not completely.
There will always be some people who will try to gain some attention/benefit through it,
and their followers who will believe them and try to defend their "views".

Explaining the reality to followers will not defeat the followers.
It will defeat the deceivers who (deliberately or accidentally) misinformed them.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on July 30, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
It's late. Simple mistake. I had miles instead of 131 feet in my write up. My Meme is still correct the Panama Canal wouldn't exist if Earth were a sphere.

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

(https://i.imgur.com/soROEsV.jpg)
all you've shown is you don't understand the subject. Thanks for the humor!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 11:57:09 AM
At the very bottom we have the same thing, just with another configuration.
The sea gull is 100 feet above the water.

Coastal lines at Panama City and Isla Pedro Gonzales are 46.02 miles apart.
Curvature bulge is 353 feet.

Is the sea gull 100 feet, or 453 feet above sea level?
Will you measure from coast line, or from current location?

The main question is:
Does it matter if there is some soil higher than the water under the sea gull, or not?



(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/668Q71.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 12:34:50 PM
At the very bottom we have the same thing, just with another configuration.
The sea gull is 100 feet above the water.

Coastal lines at Panama City and Isla Pedro Gonzales are 46.02 miles apart.
Curvature bulge is 353 feet.

Is the sea gull 100 feet, or 453 feet above sea level?
Will you measure from coast line, or from current location?

The main question is:
Does it matter if there is some soil higher than the water under the sea gull, or not?



(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/668Q71.png)

When you have actually proved the center of the Panama Canal is 301' above the both Coastlines....(which actually verifies curvature)

and when you have actually verified the alleged 216' of surface curvature bulge (at center) between the two oceans, then you will have something important to say and be a hero for the Globe community. But you can't. Why?

Top maps and elevations maps do not included alleged surface curvature. If they did, the center of the canal would be placed at 301' on the map in some way like your "underground plane connecting oceans" diagram, instead of just 85' above each ocean.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on July 30, 2019, 12:40:03 PM
Why is it so hard for you to grasp simple concepts?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 12:42:47 PM
Why is it so hard for you to grasp simple concepts?

 Why is it so hard for all of you to actually verify the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 30, 2019, 12:49:49 PM
Why would a topographical map or altitude chart show values based on curvature??

They are for local reference.

I think you are deeply confused on the subject of mean sea level and altitude.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 30, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
Why is it so hard for you to grasp simple concepts?

 Why is it so hard for all of you to actually verify the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal?

You do understand now how a globe works with respect to mean sea level and height/altitude, right? And that on a globe Gatun Lake would NOT be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast, right?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2019, 02:33:00 PM
Top maps and elevations maps do not included alleged surface curvature. If they did, the center of the canal would be placed at 301' on the map in some way like your "underground plane connecting oceans" diagram, instead of just 85' above each ocean.
The baseline for topological maps (including Google Earth) is Mean Sea Level and whether you like it or not that is extended over land as though there were a se-level canal across that land.

In practice, this levelling is done by geodetic surveyors one of whose is installing benchmarks (variously called survey marks, survey monuments, survey benchmarks or geodetic marks) for location and elevation above what the local Mean Sea Level would be.
This sort of thing:
Quote
U.S. Geodesic Benchmark Key West, Florida
(https://media2.trover.com/T/4e670f2d65a8fc14ca0000bb/fixedw_large_4x.jpg)
map (http://javascript:)
 
Not often seen or noticed U. S. Government marker on the grounds of the Monroe County Courthouse, Key West, FL. US Geodesic Survey Benchmark indicating official height of Key West above sea level. Key West is 14.324 feet above sea level

There is none of this recording "heights" above any line joining the nearest oceans.

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.

By the way, how are you going on the list I gave earlier?
The Globe Community might consider accepting defeat when, for a start, you have proven the earth to be flat with a coherent model that has:
  • An accurate map with the correct distances and directions adequate for long and short distance precise navigation.
    Note that ship and aircraft navigator have long used Globe derived maps to determine distance and directions.
    Many aircraft flights, including Kingsford Smith's crossing of the Pacific would have ended in disaster without accurate charts.

  • A flat earth shape/topology that allows "circumnavigation" in any of the many directions that have already been performed.
    In particular there are numerous polar-circumnavigations via both poles and a number equatorial circumnavigation, including one within 2 degrees of the equator.

  • An explanation for both the sun and moon appearing to rise top first from behind the horizon and appearing to set bottom first behind the horizon.

  • An explanation for the sun and moon remaining almost exactly the same angular size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • Some way to predict the directions and times of sunrises and sunsets.

  • A shape that allows the elevation of the Pole star, Polaris, above horizontal to be almost equal to the latitude from which the observation is made.

  • An explanation for the constellations remaining the same shape and size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • How the stars in the Northern Hemisphere can appear to rotate anti-clockwise around what known as the North Celestial Pole (close to Polaris) while
    the stars in the Southern Hemisphere can appear to rotate clockwise around what known as the South Celestial Pole (close to the faint star Sigma Octantis).
    In other words the stars appear to rotate around two distinct axes of rotation.
There another simple observation that confirms that we live on a Globe and that is:
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on July 30, 2019, 02:36:39 PM

When you have actually proved the center of the Panama Canal is 301' above the both Coastlines....(which actually verifies curvature)
Why should they? Elevation is measured off of sea level, not your misunderstanding.

[quote author=Plat Terra link=topic=82582.msg2191561#msg2191561 date=1564515290

Top maps and elevations maps do not included alleged surface curvature. If they did, the center of the canal would be placed at 301' on the map in some way like your "underground plane connecting oceans" diagram, instead of just 85' above each ocean.
[/quote]
And still not how elevation works. but thanks for proving you don't understand the subject.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 03:25:23 PM
Why is it so hard for you to grasp simple concepts?

 Why is it so hard for all of you to actually verify the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal?

You do understand now how a globe works with respect to mean sea level and height/altitude, right? And that on a globe Gatun Lake would NOT be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast, right?

I understand even more that the Globe Community cannot verify what they claim. And I understand they even ignore what could prove them right which is the act of verifying the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2019, 03:38:07 PM
I understand even more that the Globe Community cannot verify what they claim. And I understand they even ignore what could prove them right which is the act of verifying the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal.
Why should anyone bother with one particular claim you make when you have proven that you have no understanding of how elevations are measured on the Globe?

And on top of that, you totally ignore all the other points raised.
Because the Globe is so huge observing "curvature" on the surface is not a trivial matter but a number of indirect effects have been pointed out but you totally ignore those.

The answer to your topic question "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" is obviously, NEVER!

There is no "RE Community" as such - simply reality.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: markjo on July 30, 2019, 03:47:15 PM
I understand even more that the Globe Community cannot verify what they claim. And I understand they even ignore what could prove them right which is the act of verifying the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal.
Since you're the one alleging the surface curvature, how would you propose verifying it?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 04:01:00 PM
I understand even more that the Globe Community cannot verify what they claim. And I understand they even ignore what could prove them right which is the act of verifying the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal.
Why should anyone bother with one particular claim you make when you have proven that you have no understanding of how elevations are measured on the Globe?

And on top of that, you totally ignore all the other points raised.
Because the Globe is so huge observing "curvature" on the surface is not a trivial matter but a number of indirect effects have been pointed out but you totally ignore those.

The answer to your topic question "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" is obviously, NEVER!

There is no "RE Community" as such - simply reality.

No, your Globe is not very big. There is a 216' drop in curvature just 18 miles away and in any direction. And you wonder why the southern half of the state of Louisiana floods. Hell, just 3 miles away there is a 6' drop in curvature. Water always has a place to go on a sphere. You can't flood a ball, right?

That 216' of drop can be easily verified, but none of you can do it. If you could the Flat Earth debate would be over, but no, the fantasy has to continue without proof of a foundation.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 30, 2019, 04:22:45 PM
You guys would have an easier time explaining the offside of soccer/ football than the approx radius to the sea level.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2019, 05:47:48 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"
And that is irrelevant!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 05:50:51 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"
And that is irrelevant!

Why don't you prove you're not defeated. Verify the surface curvature of any landmass or Canal. You can do it!  ;D
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 30, 2019, 05:52:48 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)

You still clearly don't get what you are arguing against. Fixed it for you:

(https://i.imgur.com/4VKbse5.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 30, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)

You still clearly don't get what you are arguing against. Fixed it for you:

(https://i.imgur.com/4VKbse5.jpg?1)

Now verify that in real time. I bet you can't. It's really easy to do!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 30, 2019, 06:03:44 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)

You still clearly don't get what you are arguing against. Fixed it for you:

(https://i.imgur.com/4VKbse5.jpg?1)

Now verify that in real time. I bet you can't. It's really easy to do!

What do you mean in real time?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Bullwinkle on July 30, 2019, 07:57:15 PM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 30, 2019, 08:14:04 PM
I think part of Plat Terra's problem is not seeing the big picture.
As good as those drawings are , those drawings only show 36 miles.
That is only 36 miles and the circumference of the earth is close to 25,000 miles at the latitude of the Panama Canal.
36 miles is a very small percentage of that 25,000 miles.
So there is very little curvature of the earth involved
To get the big picture you would have to make a drawing to the same scale for a circle with a circumference of 25,000 miles.

And once again elevations are heights above Mean Sea Level for any place on Earth.

On second thought I wonder if it would really be a good idea if some FE followed my suggestion to find and  talk to a Navy QMC about a flat earth ?  Do you think they would even listen to them ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 30, 2019, 08:20:02 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"
And that is irrelevant!

Why don't you prove you're not defeated. Verify the surface curvature of any landmass or Canal. You can do it!  ;D

It is very easy to verify the surface curvature of the sea from a ship at sea. Just  ask a QMC. You can do it.😁

Here is a suggestion for you to prove that the earth is flat. You can do it. 😁
(1) Buy or rent a good camera with a good lens.
(2) Buy or rent a good telescope or telescopic lens for the camera of very high power.
(3) Buy an infrared filter and some infrared film for the camera.
(4) Go to the coast. Any place on Earth will do. A clear sunny day would be best.
(5) Take some pictures of one place taken from one place.
(6) For example a picture of the coast of Africa taken from the coast of South America will do.
(7) My own suggestion would be to go to Point Loma in San Diego and take some pictures of Diamond Head in Honolulu.
( 8 ) Post those pictures on this website. They certainly would prove there is no curvature of the earth and the earth is flat.
All of that equipment should be available at your local camera store and might not cost too much if you just rented it for just an hour or so.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 30, 2019, 09:39:28 PM
Top maps and elevations maps do not included alleged surface curvature. If they did, the center of the canal would be placed at 301' on the map in some way like your "underground plane connecting oceans" diagram, instead of just 85' above each ocean.

There is no 301 feet from "somewhere" because the "straight line through the ground" is in reality completely irrelevant
and not a single geodesist would have a reason to take it into consideration and measure anything from there.

How high above sea level is Lake Kariba between Zambia and Zimbabwe, south of Lusaka (elevation is 1591 ft)?
Would you measure it from some unimportant underground ine that connects eastern and western coastal lines of Africa?
(The coastal lines are 1500 miles apart, the bulge in the center is 71 miles = 375 000 ft, but the elevation of the lake is not 376 600 ft.)

Or from Sea Level directly under the Kariba lake, and ignore some irrelevant underground line? (How high is Mount everest?)


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/QBHd6M.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 30, 2019, 10:15:31 PM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"
And that is irrelevant!

Why don't you prove you're not defeated. Verify the surface curvature of any landmass or Canal. You can do it!  ;D

It is very easy to verify the surface curvature of the sea from a ship at sea. Just  ask a QMC. You can do it.😁

Here is a suggestion for you to prove that the earth is flat. You can do it. 😁
(1) Buy or rent a good camera with a good lens.
(2) Buy or rent a good telescope or telescopic lens for the camera of very high power.
(3) Buy an infrared filter and some infrared film for the camera.
(4) Go to the coast. Any place on Earth will do. A clear sunny day would be best.
(5) Take some pictures of one place taken from one place.
(6) For example a picture of the coast of Africa taken from the coast of South America will do.
(7) My own suggestion would be to go to Point Loma in San Diego and take some pictures of Diamond Head in Honolulu.
( 8 ) Post those pictures on this website. They certainly would prove there is no curvature of the earth and the earth is flat.
All of that equipment should be available at your local camera store and might not cost too much if you just rented it for just an hour or so.
Don't make it too hard for the poor guy. I doubt that an infrared  camera could photograph that far.
But there are plenty of flat-earth videos (with good evidence for the Globe) showing a few hundred kilometres from aircraft.

Just ask for a photo of Alice Town, Bimini, the westernmost island of the Bahamas from Miami. It's only 83 km and should be easy to see if the earth is flat.

He could even climb the 250 m Panorama Tower in Miami if he needs to though that should be unnecessary if the earth is flat.

He should take a good level and see if the horizon really does rise to "eye-level" from that 250 m above MSL and not about 0.5° below.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on July 30, 2019, 10:43:34 PM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.




You are absolutely right! No one sees even the absolute obvious things. For example. The Bible is written - in plain text. God created the sun and the three moons. Three, not one! And now there is only one. People used to see three moons in the sky. The question is - how many people believe now that there were three moons? You can even create a society who believe that there was always only one moon. Since we see her alone. But the truth is that there were three of them ... So with flat land. You do not see everything, but argue and fight with sticks. I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 12:05:25 AM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.



You are absolutely right! No one sees even the absolute obvious things. For example. The Bible is written - in plain text. God created the sun and the three moons. Three, not one!
The Indian and the Slavo-Aryan Vedas apparently do but where does the Bible say "God created the sun and the three moons"?

Quote from: Heavenly Breeze
And now there is only one. People used to see three moons in the sky. The question is - how many people believe now that there were three moons? You can even create a society who believe that there was always only one moon. Since we see her alone. But the truth is that there were three of them ... So with flat land. You do not see everything, but argue and fight with sticks. I feel sorry for you.
You say "the truth is that there were three of them" but only if we accept that everything in the Indian or Slavo-Aryan Vedas as literally factual.

Though there are reported to be large but very faint clouds of fine dust at the L4 and L5 Lagrange points.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 12:25:14 AM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.


And you dare doubt the Great OZ! (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3o460o5dw7fnhem/Wizard%20of%20Oz.png?dl=1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on July 31, 2019, 12:48:56 AM
You say "the truth is that there were three of them" but only if we accept that everything in the Indian or Slavo-Aryan Vedas as literally factual.

Thank you, I learnt something new today:  Ancient Russian Ynglistic Church of the Orthodox Old Believers.
 
A extremist cult which has been banned in Russia based on accusations of racism and other nice things.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 01:56:44 AM
Plata wants someone to verify the 201ft of what?
Are you asking someone to dig 201ft down?
What are you on about???
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 02:56:25 AM
You say "the truth is that there were three of them" but only if we accept that everything in the Indian or Slavo-Aryan Vedas as literally factual.

Thank you, I learnt something new today:  Ancient Russian Ynglistic Church of the Orthodox Old Believers.
 
A extremist cult which has been banned in Russia based on accusations of racism and other nice things.
What will Heavenly Breeze think of that?

Another, possibly useless, bit of information. Look whose name is in the list of the top 100 astronomers:
Quote
Top Astronomers (http://)
Omar Khayyam 1048 – 1131 (https://www.famousscientists.org/omar-khayyam/)
A poet, philosopher and scientist, Khayyam calculated the length of a year to the most accurate value ever, and showed how the intersections of conic sections can be utilized to yield geometric solutions of cubic equations.
And he appears in the list of 100 top mathematicians: Top Mathematicians (https://www.famousscientists.org/top-mathematicians/).

Yet most look on Omar Khayyam as just a poet and the author of poems as in the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam.

Famous Scientists, The Art of Genius: Omar Khayyam (https://www.famousscientists.org/omar-khayyam/)
A Book of Verses underneath the Bough,
A Jug of Wine, a Loaf of Bread—and Thou
Beside me singing in the Wilderness—
And Wilderness is Paradise enow.”

                                                 Omar Khayyam
If you're interested in the history of science it's worth looking at. "The average tropical year length quoted today is 365.242189 days, which to seven significant figures is 365.2422 days – exactly the figure Khayyam arrived at almost a thousand years ago.."

PS: I doubt that anyone could convince Omar Khayyam that the earth was flat!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on July 31, 2019, 05:47:11 AM
I understand even more that the Globe Community cannot verify what they claim. And I understand they even ignore what could prove them right which is the act of verifying the alleged surface curvature of the Panama Canal.
Why should anyone bother with one particular claim you make when you have proven that you have no understanding of how elevations are measured on the Globe?

And on top of that, you totally ignore all the other points raised.
Because the Globe is so huge observing "curvature" on the surface is not a trivial matter but a number of indirect effects have been pointed out but you totally ignore those.

The answer to your topic question "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" is obviously, NEVER!

There is no "RE Community" as such - simply reality.

No, your Globe is not very big. There is a 216' drop in curvature just 16 miles away and in any direction. And you wonder why the southern half of the state of Louisiana floods. Hell, just 3 miles away there is a 6' drop in curvature. Water always has a place to go on a sphere. You can't flood a ball, right?

That 216' of drop can be easily verified, but none of you can do it. If you could the Flat Earth debate would be over, but no, the fantasy has to continue without proof of a foundation.
The bolded statement shows you have no clue what you're talking about. you are confusing elevation with drop due to curvature.  YOU are confused, nobody else.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:39:19 AM
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dbkp7Oa.jpg?1)

Stash-
My many thanks to you for your drawing.
IMO this shows the best explanation of the true topography of the canal in relation to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Possibly the only criticism is the land mass elevations are exaggerated in relation to the rest of the scale of the drawing.
Macarios has put a lot of work in trying to explain where the errors are in PlatTerra's drawings too.

I think this whole Panama Canal subject seems rather simple to anyone who has ever studied it in some of their history classes.
As I best remember we got into the details such as how the locks raised the ships from 0 sea level to 85 feet above sea level, etc., somewhere around the 7th Grade in Elementary School History Class. And even more so in College.
But it seems some of the  FE's have missed the boat on things that seem so simple to RE's.
It's my own "IMHO" but I think the real question of this topic should not be "When will the RE Community Accept Defeat ?" but should be "When will the FE Community Accept Defeat" ?

This is the original one that wasn't faked with curve.

How do you like the true topography now? Or do you still like the one that was faked with curvature?

(https://i.imgur.com/OOkmJ78.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 08:13:34 AM
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dbkp7Oa.jpg?1)

Stash-
My many thanks to you for your drawing.
IMO this shows the best explanation of the true topography of the canal in relation to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Possibly the only criticism is the land mass elevations are exaggerated in relation to the rest of the scale of the drawing.
Macarios has put a lot of work in trying to explain where the errors are in PlatTerra's drawings too.

I think this whole Panama Canal subject seems rather simple to anyone who has ever studied it in some of their history classes.
As I best remember we got into the details such as how the locks raised the ships from 0 sea level to 85 feet above sea level, etc., somewhere around the 7th Grade in Elementary School History Class. And even more so in College.
But it seems some of the  FE's have missed the boat on things that seem so simple to RE's.
It's my own "IMHO" but I think the real question of this topic should not be "When will the RE Community Accept Defeat ?" but should be "When will the FE Community Accept Defeat" ?

This is the original one that wasn't faked with curve.

How do you lik0e the true topography now? Or do you still like the one that was faked?

(https://i.imgur.com/OOkmJ78.jpg)

No. The original drawing wasn't faked . It shows the curvature of the earth.
As mentioned previously , you really need to extend that drawing to show the entire circumference of the earth to get the big picture of just how small the distance of the Panama Canal is compared to the circumference of the globe.
The other drawing is flat and does not show the curvature.
There is a curvature.
The earth is a globe , not a flat disc.
The earth is so big the curvature of the earth involved in the Panama Canal looks almost like a straight line.

Not to mention any names but I think  some persons need to take me up on my suggestion and talk to a QMC about a flat Earth. LOL
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 08:22:21 AM
Top maps and Elevations maps place the center of the Panama Canal at 85' above both oceans and not at 301"
And that is irrelevant!

Why don't you prove you're not defeated. Verify the surface curvature of any landmass or Canal. You can do it!  ;D

It is very easy to verify the surface curvature of the sea from a ship at sea. Just  ask a QMC. You can do it.😁

Here is a suggestion for you to prove that the earth is flat. You can do it. 😁
(1) Buy or rent a good camera with a good lens.
(2) Buy or rent a good telescope or telescopic lens for the camera of very high power.
(3) Buy an infrared filter and some infrared film for the camera.
(4) Go to the coast. Any place on Earth will do. A clear sunny day would be best.
(5) Take some pictures of one place taken from one place.
(6) For example a picture of the coast of Africa taken from the coast of South America will do.
(7) My own suggestion would be to go to Point Loma in San Diego and take some pictures of Diamond Head in Honolulu.
( 8 ) Post those pictures on this website. They certainly would prove there is no curvature of the earth and the earth is flat.
All of that equipment should be available at your local camera store and might not cost too much if you just rented it for just an hour or so.
Don't make it too hard for the poor guy. I doubt that an infrared  camera could photograph that far.
But there are plenty of flat-earth videos (with good evidence for the Globe) showing a few hundred kilometres from aircraft.

Just ask for a photo of Alice Town, Bimini, the westernmost island of the Bahamas from Miami. It's only 83 km and should be easy to see if the earth is flat.

He could even climb the 250 m Panorama Tower in Miami if he needs to though that should be unnecessary if the earth is flat.

He should take a good level and see if the horizon really does rise to "eye-level" from that 250 m above MSL and not about 0.5° below.

Thanks, Rabinoz.

Maybe a better suggestion would be take pictures of Cuba from that " Southernmost Point In The U.S " marker at Key West, Florida.
It is only about 90 miles from there to Cuba.
Been there, but I couldn't see Cuba with my binoculars .
Must have been too much Haze in the Atmoplane that day ?

I have also been to the top of Point Loma many times but have never been able to see Diamond Head from there.
Farthest I could see was to the horizon and that was only estimated to be about 25 miles.
The top of Point Loma is about 400 feet above sea level.

On those ships on which I sailed we never could see Diamond Head or Point Loma until we got near to Honolulu or San Diego.
An old QMC said it was because of the curvature of the earth.
The reason I keep mentioning  QMC's is that our Company Commander in Boot Camp was was a QMC with over 20 years service.
We were very much impressed with him. He never raised his voice,  never '' chewed anyone out '' and must have had the patience of Job to deal with our bunch of '' Boots ''. If you goofed up he would just take you aside , explain to you where you erred, and explain to you what you needed to do.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 08:52:11 AM
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dbkp7Oa.jpg?1)

Stash-
My many thanks to you for your drawing.
IMO this shows the best explanation of the true topography of the canal in relation to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Possibly the only criticism is the land mass elevations are exaggerated in relation to the rest of the scale of the drawing.
Macarios has put a lot of work in trying to explain where the errors are in PlatTerra's drawings too.

I think this whole Panama Canal subject seems rather simple to anyone who has ever studied it in some of their history classes.
As I best remember we got into the details such as how the locks raised the ships from 0 sea level to 85 feet above sea level, etc., somewhere around the 7th Grade in Elementary School History Class. And even more so in College.
But it seems some of the  FE's have missed the boat on things that seem so simple to RE's.
It's my own "IMHO" but I think the real question of this topic should not be "When will the RE Community Accept Defeat ?" but should be "When will the FE Community Accept Defeat" ?

This is the original one that wasn't faked with curve.

How do you lik0e the true topography now? Or do you still like the one that was faked?

(https://i.imgur.com/OOkmJ78.jpg)

No. The original drawing wasn't faked . It shows the curvature of the earth.
As mentioned previously , you really need to extend that drawing to show the entire circumference of the earth to get the big picture of just how small the distance of the Panama Canal is compared to the circumference of the globe.
The other drawing is flat and does not show the curvature.
There is a curvature.
The earth is a globe , not a flat disc.
The earth is so big the curvature of the earth involved in the Panama Canal looks almost like a straight line.

Not to mention any names but I think  some persons need to take me up on my suggestion and talk to a QMC about a flat Earth. LOL

But none of you have actually verified surface curvature of a landmass or canal. When you have I then will compare as you ask.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 09:00:23 AM
Here's a very exaggerated depiction of how the cross section of the canal would look. I'm not sure how this is different from what Marcarios has shown, but it tries to show the elevation of the topography of the canal in relation to the two oceans. It's how the globe model works:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dbkp7Oa.jpg?1)

Stash-
My many thanks to you for your drawing.
IMO this shows the best explanation of the true topography of the canal in relation to the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans.
Possibly the only criticism is the land mass elevations are exaggerated in relation to the rest of the scale of the drawing.
Macarios has put a lot of work in trying to explain where the errors are in PlatTerra's drawings too.

I think this whole Panama Canal subject seems rather simple to anyone who has ever studied it in some of their history classes.
As I best remember we got into the details such as how the locks raised the ships from 0 sea level to 85 feet above sea level, etc., somewhere around the 7th Grade in Elementary School History Class. And even more so in College.
But it seems some of the  FE's have missed the boat on things that seem so simple to RE's.
It's my own "IMHO" but I think the real question of this topic should not be "When will the RE Community Accept Defeat ?" but should be "When will the FE Community Accept Defeat" ?

This is the original one that wasn't faked with curve.

How do you lik0e the true topography now? Or do you still like the one that was faked?

(https://i.imgur.com/OOkmJ78.jpg)

No. The original drawing wasn't faked . It shows the curvature of the earth.
As mentioned previously , you really need to extend that drawing to show the entire circumference of the earth to get the big picture of just how small the distance of the Panama Canal is compared to the circumference of the globe.
The other drawing is flat and does not show the curvature.
There is a curvature.
The earth is a globe , not a flat disc.
The earth is so big the curvature of the earth involved in the Panama Canal looks almost like a straight line.

Not to mention any names but I think  some persons need to take me up on my suggestion and talk to a QMC about a flat Earth. LOL

But none of you have actually verified surface curvature of a landmass or canal. When you have I then will compare as you ask.

Curvature is curvature whether it is at sea or on land. One of the best places to verify this is to observe the Horizon at sea. Many people have done this for themselves many times. You could do that yourself.😁
And there is really no reason to not know the earth is round. It is a proven fact. You could look it up. You could do that yourself. 😁

Have you ever verified the flatness of the earth for yourself ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 09:02:19 AM
But none of you have actually verified a flat Earth!


We have pictures!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Goldie on July 31, 2019, 09:18:04 AM
Is that big blue bulge supposed to be water? Why have you piled it up like that?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 09:28:24 AM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.




You are absolutely right! No one sees even the absolute obvious things. For example. The Bible is written - in plain text. God created the sun and the three moons. Three, not one! And now there is only one. People used to see three moons in the sky. The question is - how many people believe now that there were three moons? You can even create a society who believe that there was always only one moon. Since we see her alone. But the truth is that there were three of them ... So with flat land. You do not see everything, but argue and fight with sticks. I feel sorry for you.
Can you give a reference for " three moons"....?......Book, Chapter, Verse ?.....
Or was it in another Bible ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
Plat Terra, I really shouldn't say this, but you seem to be a hopeless case ! .😁

The height of the gates and the water level at the gates proves Earth is not a sphere but a Plane. You don't need a wall that high and gates that high to hold the water back on a sphere, but you do if Earth is a Plane. It's common engineering sense and a no brainer.

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 09:45:20 AM
Plat Terra, I really shouldn't say this, but you seem to be a hopeless case ! .😁

The height of the gates and the water level at the gates proves Earth is not a sphere but Plane. You don't need a wall that high at the gates to hold the water back on a sphere but you do if Earth is a Plane. It's common engineering sense and a no brainer.

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

We know the earth is a sphere.
You simply don't  know what you are talking about and seem to have no grasp on reality.
We have tried to explain it but you don't seem to be getting it ?
The Panama Canal is above sea level.
People who work in the real world really know that the shape of the earth is not some flat disc and really know and have to know that the earth is a globe.
It is too bad that, as you have stated, that neither you nor any of your relatives have ever been to sea or apparently have never  been to a place on land near the sea.
If you had, you would have had the opportunity to observe how the horizon is is evidence of the curvature of the earth.
Would you be any happier if all the RE's departed this website and left it just to and for  you FE's ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 09:52:12 AM
Plat Terra, I really shouldn't say this, but you seem to be a hopeless case ! .😁

Another re accepts defeat.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 09:55:11 AM
Plat Terra, I really shouldn't say this, but you seem to be a hopeless case ! .😁

Another re accepts defeat.

I accept defeat at trying to make sense of anything from a FE .😁
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 09:55:41 AM
Is that big blue bulge supposed to be water? Why have you piled it up like that?

Please see my first post in this thread.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on July 31, 2019, 10:43:46 AM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.




You are absolutely right! No one sees even the absolute obvious things. For example. The Bible is written - in plain text. God created the sun and the three moons. Three, not one! And now there is only one. People used to see three moons in the sky. The question is - how many people believe now that there were three moons? You can even create a society who believe that there was always only one moon. Since we see her alone. But the truth is that there were three of them ... So with flat land. You do not see everything, but argue and fight with sticks. I feel sorry for you.
Can you give a reference for " three moons"....?......Book, Chapter, Verse ?.....
Or was it in another Bible ?

In view of the fact that all languages ​​are descended from a single parent language - Etruscan. And the translation from the original source was trimmed. Mainly due to the fact that vowels were not written in Etruscan and were voiced by the reader only during the reading. And in mind that the first chapters of the Bible on the creation of the world were the very first, then the translation was made from simple texts. From the Vedas you can learn only additional information that complements the Bible. Therefore, here is an approximate full sound of the text about the moon.
This is what is written after the distorted translation from Etruscan. Genesis - 1.
**
And God created two great lights: a greater light, to control the day, and a smaller light, to control the night, and stars;
And God set them up in the firmament of heaven, to shine upon the earth, and to rule day and night, and to separate the light from the darkness.

Correct translation
And then He created the sun Yarilo, and the big moon called the Month and the two moons, the small Fata and Lelia, which shone like stars, and put them on the firmament of the sky which is the luminiferous ether. To shine on the earth, and to manage day and night.
Two moons had a hydrosphere, because although they were small, they shone like stars in the night sky.
So here it is. Read learn. The same with flat land. The fall on the earth of the moon Fata fully proves that the earth is a ball, since the fall of its debris corresponds to the fall of objects from the orbit of the earth when the earth moved on its axis. So flat earthlings cry, you can not refute this.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Heavenly Breeze on July 31, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
But none of you have actually verified a flat Earth!


We have pictures!

You, too, will not be able to say that a flat space does not bend around closing on itself. You see only the consequence - which causes the earth to be a ball. None of us can imagine how the 5th dimension works. Our laws of physics are only a consequence of a standing wave set - the all-seeing eye is something that slightly resembles how the waves intersect creating our world. So the earth ball is not the fact that it really is.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 10:51:51 AM

I really think that before asking a question like "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" you need to learn a little about the Globe that you are trying to debunk.




You are absolutely right! No one sees even the absolute obvious things. For example. The Bible is written - in plain text. God created the sun and the three moons. Three, not one! And now there is only one. People used to see three moons in the sky. The question is - how many people believe now that there were three moons? You can even create a society who believe that there was always only one moon. Since we see her alone. But the truth is that there were three of them ... So with flat land. You do not see everything, but argue and fight with sticks. I feel sorry for you.
Can you give a reference for " three moons"....?......Book, Chapter, Verse ?.....
Or was it in another Bible ?

In view of the fact that all languages ​​are descended from a single parent language - Etruscan. And the translation from the original source was trimmed. Mainly due to the fact that vowels were not written in Etruscan and were voiced by the reader only during the reading. And in mind that the first chapters of the Bible on the creation of the world were the very first, then the translation was made from simple texts. From the Vedas you can learn only additional information that complements the Bible. Therefore, here is an approximate full sound of the text about the moon.
This is what is written after the distorted translation from Etruscan. Genesis - 1.
**
And God created two great lights: a greater light, to control the day, and a smaller light, to control the night, and stars;
And God set them up in the firmament of heaven, to shine upon the earth, and to rule day and night, and to separate the light from the darkness.

Correct translation
And then He created the sun Yarilo, and the big moon called the Month and the two moons, the small Fata and Lelia, which shone like stars, and put them on the firmament of the sky which is the luminiferous ether. To shine on the earth, and to manage day and night.
Two moons had a hydrosphere, because although they were small, they shone like stars in the night sky.
So here it is. Read learn. The same with flat land. The fall on the earth of the moon Fata fully proves that the earth is a ball, since the fall of its debris corresponds to the fall of objects from the orbit of the earth when the earth moved on its axis. So flat earthlings cry, you can not refute this.

Thanks for your explanation.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 11:02:36 AM
There is no curvature engineered into the Panama Canal. But when you add curvature it becomes flooded.



(https://i.imgur.com/AfiQGSz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on July 31, 2019, 11:10:49 AM
There is no curvature engineered into the Panama Canal. But when you add curvature it becomes flooded.



(https://i.imgur.com/AfiQGSz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

The problem is you don't even understand what you are trying to debunk. If you did, you wouldn't keep spouting all that

And just like a kid with fingers in his ears singing "la la la la I can't hear you" you refuse to listen to explanations.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 11:19:16 AM
There is no curvature engineered into the Panama Canal. But when you add curvature it becomes flooded.



(https://i.imgur.com/AfiQGSz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

The problem is you don't even understand what you are trying to debunk. If you did, you wouldn't keep spouting all that

And just like a kid with fingers in his ears singing "la la la la I can't hear you" you refuse to listen to explanations.

In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings. Are you seeing it yet?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 11:42:22 AM
they do.

https://flatearth.ws/verrazano-narrows

https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/verrazano-narrows-1.jpg

For projects that extend over a long distance, like roads, railroads, canals, etc., they are built along the curvature of the Earth, and specifically accounting for the curvature is usually not needed.

But when the project extends on a long distance, as well as extending upwards, then we have no choice but to take the curvature of the Earth into account. One of such projects is the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, New York, United States.



but do go on in your tomB fashion and hold onto your one misconception as the basis of your failed argument.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 11:58:37 AM
they do.

https://flatearth.ws/verrazano-narrows

https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/verrazano-narrows-1.jpg

For projects that extend over a long distance, like roads, railroads, canals, etc., they are built along the curvature of the Earth, and specifically accounting for the curvature is usually not needed.

But when the project extends on a long distance, as well as extending upwards, then we have no choice but to take the curvature of the Earth into account. One of such projects is the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, New York, United States.



but do go on in your tomB fashion and hold onto your one misconception as the basis of your failed argument.

Yeah, and I would be ashamed of myself for claiming and defending that blunder. I know they now claim it's the columns but anything can be tweaked to give people a illusion or thought of a Globe. Your bridge means and proves nothing, except it does prove if Earth were a Globe all bridges would be engineered for Globe curvature and not a gimmick one.

(https://i.imgur.com/nlTRp36.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 12:17:25 PM
Why would you expect the water to follow the same curve as the bridge?

Is the towers that account for the curvature.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
"Its monumental 693 foot high towers are 1 5/8 inches farther apart at their tops than at their bases because the 4,260 foot distance between them made it necessary to compensate for the earth’s curvature."

https://nyfacts.com/verrazano-narrows-bridge/
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 12:22:09 PM
Why would you expect the water to follow the same curve as the bridge?

Is the towers that account for the curvature.

Did you miss I said this?   "I know they now claim it's the columns but anything can be tweaked to give people a illusion or thought of a Globe."
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 12:24:28 PM
But why?

Why would there need to be an illusion or thought of a globe?

What is the motivation??
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 12:29:55 PM
Why would you expect the water to follow the same curve as the bridge?

Is the towers that account for the curvature.

Did you miss I said this?   "I know they now claim it's the columns but anything can be tweaked to give people a illusion or thought of a Globe."

And your lame meme seems to indicate that you expect the water to follow the curve of the span.

Try again, flattie!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 12:41:02 PM
Yes seriously plata.
You claim the red line should show us a ~1in curve to it?
You picture shows ~13,700ft of span with ~690ft of tower hieght.
You think the cam lense would show a 1in?
Really?
Go buy some lottery tickets - youre really good at math.
I expect you see you on the cover of the next "civil engineers digest" with the caption "youre doing it wrong".

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 12:42:46 PM
Not forgetting to mwntiom the thickness of your line is similar to the thick ess of the road part of the bridge itself.
You may have an accuracy issue if trying to measure 1in.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
Plat Terra, I really shouldn't say this, but you seem to be a hopeless case ! .😁

The height of the gates and the water level at the gates proves Earth is not a sphere but a Plane. You don't need a wall that high and gates that high to hold the water back on a sphere, but you do if Earth is a Plane. It's common engineering sense and a no brainer.

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

Have you ever looked at pictures of the  Panama Canal ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 03:13:07 PM
The center of Panama Canal (18 miles) on Gatun Lake is 3,828 Miles
from center of an alleged Globe Earth with a 3,959 mile radius.


The "3828 miles" is the wrong part that confused you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Meanwhile, this might help you get the real picture:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/WGS84_mean_Earth_radius.svg/440px-WGS84_mean_Earth_radius.svg.png)

a = 3963.19 miles
b = 3949.9 miles
(2a + b) / 3 = 3958.76 miles

Nope. Not going to work no matter how you twist it. Gatun Lake is 85 miles above both Oceans sea level, no matter how far sea level  is to the center of Earth at that location. The calculation to center of Earth at that location will still put the Panama Canal under water.  18 miles is not going to make any difference. You are being intellectually dishonest. You should know better.

If Gatun Lake is 85 miles (sic) above sea level , how could it be under water ?
Possibly you made a typo error - Gatun Lake is 85 feet above sea level.
Still if something is above sea level, how could it be under water ?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 31, 2019, 03:14:09 PM
In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings. Are you seeing it yet?

In spherical world engineers measure from Mean Sea Level.
Not from some imaginary straight line underground.
Not from some point 18 miles away.

Engineers know that builders will measure from Mean Sea Level as well.
Not from that imaginary straight line.

For that straight line nobody cares in reality.
It means nothing.

Mean Sea Level is the level where the water would be if there was no land there.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
Maybe plata doesnt know jow to survey.
Two guys start at the beach holding survey sticks.
They slowly leap frogging inland.
One point is recorded in relation to the last.
So the end, they have an estimated ft above sea level.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on July 31, 2019, 03:26:29 PM
they do.

https://flatearth.ws/verrazano-narrows

https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/verrazano-narrows-1.jpg

For projects that extend over a long distance, like roads, railroads, canals, etc., they are built along the curvature of the Earth, and specifically accounting for the curvature is usually not needed.

But when the project extends on a long distance, as well as extending upwards, then we have no choice but to take the curvature of the Earth into account. One of such projects is the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, New York, United States.



but do go on in your tomB fashion and hold onto your one misconception as the basis of your failed argument.

Yeah, and I would be ashamed of myself for claiming and defending that blunder. I know they now claim it's the columns but anything can be tweaked to give people a illusion or thought of a Globe. Your bridge means and proves nothing, except it does prove if Earth were a Globe all bridges would be engineered for Globe curvature and not a gimmick one.

(https://i.imgur.com/nlTRp36.jpg)
the curvature on your pic would be far less than a degree. but thanks for proving again that you have no clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 03:26:40 PM
Plat Terra, I really shouldn't say this, but you seem to be a hopeless case ! .😁

The height of the gates and the water level at the gates proves Earth is not a sphere but a Plane. You don't need a wall that high and gates that high to hold the water back on a sphere, but you do if Earth is a Plane. It's common engineering sense and a no brainer.

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

Do you understand how locks and Gates on a canal are used to raise or lower a ship ?
In the Panama Canal different sets of locks and gates raise the ship up to the elevations of the lakes from  one ocean  and then lower the ship back down to the other ocean.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: boydster on July 31, 2019, 03:27:08 PM
Maybe plata doesnt know jow to survey.
Two guys start at the beach holding survey sticks.
They slowly leap frogging inland.
One point is recorded in relation to the last.
So the end, they have an estimated ft above sea level.


Maybe themightykabool needs to stop spamming
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on July 31, 2019, 03:36:28 PM
Maybe he didnt know thr mechanics of it all.
From what i gathered he was asking someone to dig a 200ft hole.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Googleotomy on July 31, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
Maybe plata doesnt know jow to survey.
Two guys start at the beach holding survey sticks.
They slowly leap frogging inland.
One point is recorded in relation to the last.
So the end, they have an estimated ft above sea level.

This is a bit off topic , but it is related to surveying.
I took a course in " Elementary Plane Surveying " in Junior College.
The Lab part of the course was in the actual use of surveying instruments
The Lab was divided into 2 men teams.
You started from a point in a quadrangle on the campus and took measurements as you surveyed to a bench mark and then back to your starting point.
You were supposed to get the same elevation at the same place from where you started.
As I remember this was quite a long Lab exercise.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
Yeah, and I would be ashamed of myself for claiming and defending that blunder. I know they now claim it's the columns but anything can be tweaked to give people a illusion or thought of a Globe. Your bridge means and proves nothing, except it does prove if Earth were a Globe all bridges would be engineered for Globe curvature and not a gimmick one.

(https://i.imgur.com/nlTRp36.jpg)

I couldn't care less if "the curvature of the earth was taken into account when designing the bridge". Maybe it was but any difference would not show in a photo like that!

But you say "the water is supposed to curve with the bridge". Why? A bridge does not curve like that to follow the earth's curvature - there is no connection!

Even if the water was "supposed to curve" there is no way it would be visible in a photo like that.

As I have stated numerous times, the horizon from a low altitude should look (almost exactly) straight and horizontal.

So your claim "maybe there was an issue with gravity when the photo was made" is simply ludicrous.

You ignored the explanation of the straight horizon all the other times, so let's try again:
On a sphere, the water horizon is a circle all 360° around the observer and from a low altitude that circle is seen edge-on so looks almost exactly straight.[/i]

But even if the horizon did curve with the radius of the earth we could use the famous ::) 8" x (miles square) formula to work out the drop either side of the centre in that photo.

The "the Verrazano-Narrows bridge is 13700 feet long" so half the length is 6850' or 1.3 miles.
So the water at each end might be lower than the water in the middle by a whole 8" x 1.32 = 13.5".

No one in their right mind would suggest that we could see a 13.5" deviation from straight in a distance of 13700 feet!

So your meme, as are all the others, totally ridiculous.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on July 31, 2019, 04:02:34 PM
There is no curvature engineered into the Panama Canal. But when you add curvature it becomes flooded.



(https://i.imgur.com/AfiQGSz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)
This is why you're a flat Earther.  You don't understand the subject you're arguing about.  85ft above sea level, means it's 85 feet above sea level.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 31, 2019, 05:06:21 PM
There is no curvature engineered into the Panama Canal. But when you add curvature it becomes flooded.

(https://i.imgur.com/AfiQGSz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

The problem is you don't even understand what you are trying to debunk. If you did, you wouldn't keep spouting all that

And just like a kid with fingers in his ears singing "la la la la I can't hear you" you refuse to listen to explanations.

In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings. Are you seeing it yet?

Just to give you a sense of scale, the red line in the top box and the inset represents the full length of the Panama Canal in relation to the size of Earth and the degree to which there is curvature present for such a short distance.

(https://i.imgur.com/fXWNH2K.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 05:22:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 31, 2019, 05:39:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

It's clear what I mean. "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines"

If we lived on a Globe it would be expressed as Sea Curvevel

I am using the Globe Earth model and Macarios's language. See....

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191472#msg2191472
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 05:58:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

Please link your source that "the actual engineering construction of the canal places.. yada yada yada.. underground plane.. yada yada.. under 131' of seawater.. yada yada.."


The first paragraph of your meme was heading in the right direction, then you spiraled off into some inane babble...


Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on July 31, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 31, 2019, 06:21:52 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

It's clear what I mean. "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines"

If we lived on a Globe it would be expressed as Sea Curvevel

I am using the Globe Earth model and Macarios's language. See....

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191472#msg2191472

You are wildly misinterpreting Macario's original image and applying some sort of bizarre near logic to it. Globe model:

(https://i.imgur.com/KmESwOQ.jpg?1)

Gatun is 85' above SEA LEVEL not above an "underground plane".

Are you being cheeky or do you really have no concept as to how the globe model works?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 06:30:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

It's clear what I mean. "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines"

If we lived on a Globe it would be expressed as Sea Curvevel

I am using the Globe Earth model and Macarios's language. See....

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191472#msg2191472

You are wildly misinterpreting Macario's original image and applying some sort of bizarre near logic to it. Globe model:

(https://i.imgur.com/KmESwOQ.jpg?1)

Gatun is 85' above SEA LEVEL not above an "underground plane".

Are you being cheeky or do you really have no concept as to how the globe model works?

No, I used his words in his Model Earth drawing and used his drawing. I noticed you removed his words and that plane line. Why?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 06:52:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:01:02 PM
In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings. Are you seeing it yet?

In spherical world engineers measure from Mean Sea Level.
Not from some imaginary straight line underground.
Not from some point 18 miles away.

Engineers know that builders will measure from Mean Sea Level as well.
Not from that imaginary straight line.

For that straight line nobody cares in reality.
It means nothing.

Mean Sea Level is the level where the water would be if there was no land there.

You replied to these words "In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings." Your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote in bold.

But you measured from the imaginary straight line, for your Globe Earth Model to show how much surface curvature there should be between oceans and where to place sea level (at 216') and where to place Gatun Lake.  Did you forget about this? See what you posted in the following link.

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191475#msg2191475
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:05:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
Oh, I see, many are mad because I used Macarios' Globe Earth model drawing of curvature pertaining to the Canal and used his words as a tool to debunk a Globe.

Interesting!

How many here like my avatar?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on July 31, 2019, 07:15:12 PM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:18:28 PM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.

You know, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. Can you do it?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on July 31, 2019, 07:20:57 PM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.

You know, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. Can you do it?
Yes.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:22:31 PM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.

You know, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. Can you do it?
Yes.
I can't wait!!

Thanks!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on July 31, 2019, 07:32:29 PM
You’re welcome.



Anyways. As already explained to you 100 times. The Panama Canal follows the curvature. 85 feet above sea level is 85 feet above sea level.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 07:41:57 PM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.

You know, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. Can you do it?
We have no problem to solve. You have!

But curvature of any landmass is rather useless because landmasses have so many "ups and downs" that 216' in 36 miles would never be noticed.

And the curvature across place like Lake Pontchartrain have been demonstrated often enough. 
(https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/lake-pontchartrain-power-lines-demonstrating-the-curvature-metabunk-jpg.27877/)
Soundly Proving the Curvature of the Earth at Lake Pontchartrain
(https://www.metabunk.org/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.t8939/)

And there's plenty more if you really want to be shown that water does really "curve".
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:44:51 PM
You’re welcome.



Anyways. As already explained to you 100 times. The Panama Canal follows the curvature. 85 feet above sea level is 85 feet above sea level.

You said yes to "verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal" but gave a different argument. So I assume you can't do it?

Boats going over a alleged curve is a different issue. Some don't understand the science behind a surface mirage. You know, that image that heat and humidity creates near a flat surface and blocks the view?

Please stay on topic.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 07:49:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.


The two points you connected are at 0' elevation MSL at those two points only. Why are you connecting them, then claiming that imaginary line represents sea level?

Your "underground plane" IS NOT SEA LEVEL!

Now, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface flatness of literally ANY 36 mile stretch of water on earth. Can you do it?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:50:14 PM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.

You know, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. Can you do it?
We have no problem to solve. You have!

But curvature of any landmass is rather useless because landmasses have so many "ups and downs" that 216' in 36 miles would never be noticed.

And the curvature across place like Lake Pontchartrain have been demonstrated often enough. 
(https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/lake-pontchartrain-power-lines-demonstrating-the-curvature-metabunk-jpg.27877/)
Soundly Proving the Curvature of the Earth at Lake Pontchartrain
(https://www.metabunk.org/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.t8939/)

And there's plenty more if you really want to be shown that water does really "curve".

I ask that you please stay on topic.

Thanks.

(https://i.imgur.com/mDTT02P.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 07:53:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.


The two points you connected are at 0' elevation MSL at those two points only. Why are you connecting them, then claiming that imaginary line represents sea level?

Your "underground plane" IS NOT SEA LEVEL!

Now, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface flatness of literally ANY 36 mile stretch of water on earth. Can you do it?

Oh, I have yet to get to the Suez Canal and the part of the Nile that flows for a 1000 miles north with only a one foot of drop.  Stay tuned!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 07:57:23 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.


The two points you connected are at 0' elevation MSL at those two points only. Why are you connecting them, then claiming that imaginary line represents sea level?

Your "underground plane" IS NOT SEA LEVEL!

Now, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface flatness of literally ANY 36 mile stretch of water on earth. Can you do it?

Oh, I have yet to get to the Suez Canal and the part of the Nile that flows for a 1000 miles north with only a one foot of drop.  Stay tuned!


If it's anything like the "evidence" you have presented so far, I literally cannot wait!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 08:01:05 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.


The two points you connected are at 0' elevation MSL at those two points only. Why are you connecting them, then claiming that imaginary line represents sea level?

Your "underground plane" IS NOT SEA LEVEL!

Now, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface flatness of literally ANY 36 mile stretch of water on earth. Can you do it?

Oh, I have yet to get to the Suez Canal and the part of the Nile that flows for a 1000 miles north with only a one foot of drop.  Stay tuned!


If it's anything like the "evidence" you have presented so far, I literally cannot wait!

In the mean time. you should actually try to verify the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. You might be a hero!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on July 31, 2019, 08:05:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)
The elevations are not measured from any "underground plane connecting ocean coaslines".
Why would you suggest that when the diagram shows sea-level extending in a continuous curve from the Pacific to the Atlantic oceans?

Can't you even read the diagram of the "Profile and Yardage Estimate" you posted? All elevations are measured from Mean Sea Level, look!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rjdguunsnjs0071/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20left.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom left!
          (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hc8mh0o4ir25g11/Profile%20and%20Yardage%20Estimates%2C%20Panama%20Canal%20-%20centre.jpg?dl=1)
Look at the "Mean Sea Level" near the bottom!
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.


The two points you connected are at 0' elevation MSL at those two points only. Why are you connecting them, then claiming that imaginary line represents sea level?

Your "underground plane" IS NOT SEA LEVEL!

Now, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface flatness of literally ANY 36 mile stretch of water on earth. Can you do it?

Oh, I have yet to get to the Suez Canal and the part of the Nile that flows for a 1000 miles north with only a one foot of drop.  Stay tuned!


If it's anything like the "evidence" you have presented so far, I literally cannot wait!

In the mean time. you should actually try to verify the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. You might be a hero!


I have actually been outside during sunrise / sunset.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on July 31, 2019, 08:25:18 PM
In the mean time. you should actually try to verify the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. You might be a hero!
And I suggest in the mean time, you actually learn how curvature and elevation work.  "Sea-level" is an elevation of 'zero' that follows Earth's curvature through land, not an elevation that runs in a straight tangent between coasts.

You lose.

What's your next question that you don't understand?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 08:29:56 PM
In the mean time. you should actually try to verify the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. You might be a hero!
And I suggest in the mean time, you actually learn how curvature and elevation work.  "Sea-level" is an elevation of 'zero' that follows Earth's curvature through land, not an elevation that runs in a straight tangent between coasts.

You lose.

What's your next question that you don't understand?

You don't understand Flat Earth, but the important question is "can you prove the foundation of the Globe theory through verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal? 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 08:39:18 PM
Would anyone here like to present a Globe Earth model drawing (in detail) showing how much surface curvature bulge the Suez canal should have at center by its over all length?   

And are you capable of verifying that it does conform to a 3959 mile radius?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 31, 2019, 09:23:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

It's clear what I mean. "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines"

If we lived on a Globe it would be expressed as Sea Curvevel

I am using the Globe Earth model and Macarios's language. See....

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191472#msg2191472

You are wildly misinterpreting Macario's original image and applying some sort of bizarre near logic to it. Globe model:

(https://i.imgur.com/KmESwOQ.jpg?1)

Gatun is 85' above SEA LEVEL not above an "underground plane".

Are you being cheeky or do you really have no concept as to how the globe model works?

No, I used his words in his Model Earth drawing and used his drawing. I noticed you removed his words and that plane line. Why?

Because you were incapable of understanding his first diagram (which is aimed at maybe a 3rd grader on up):

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

And then you couldn't seem to comprehend his second diagram and got hung up on 'underground plane' even though it's been made painfully clear we are all talking about SEA LEVEL.

According to you and your warped non-knowledge of the globe model, there should be a 'bulge' of water about 300 miles high over the center of the US. Correct?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 09:36:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

It's clear what I mean. "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines"

If we lived on a Globe it would be expressed as Sea Curvevel

I am using the Globe Earth model and Macarios's language. See....

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191472#msg2191472

You are wildly misinterpreting Macario's original image and applying some sort of bizarre near logic to it. Globe model:

(https://i.imgur.com/KmESwOQ.jpg?1)

Gatun is 85' above SEA LEVEL not above an "underground plane".

Are you being cheeky or do you really have no concept as to how the globe model works?

No, I used his words in his Model Earth drawing and used his drawing. I noticed you removed his words and that plane line. Why?

Because you were incapable of understanding his first diagram (which is aimed at maybe a 3rd grader on up):

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

And then you couldn't seem to comprehend his second diagram and got hung up on 'underground plane' even though it's been made painfully clear we are all talking about SEA LEVEL.

According to you and your warped non-knowledge of the globe model, there should be a 'bulge' of water about 300 miles high over the center of the US. Correct?

No, I had wrote to him stating he had not included curvature details and he went back and added them. You weren't following along. But that's no reason to change his drawing.  You don't really understand flat Earth do you?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 09:47:06 PM
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.
You might express " 'underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines'. O' elevation is mean sea level."

But it is not! And your keeping on saying that makes no difference to the facts, sorry about that.
Go and ask any geodetic surveyor because they are the ones that prepare the plans for large scale projects like the Panama and Suez Canal.

But in any case this erroneous claim of yours is not the only evidence thst we live on a Globe. You don't seem to have addressed these yet.
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
All the points you raise show nothing more than your failure to understand that elevations are measured above Mean Sea Level and not above some arbitrary lines that you choose to draw.

But the Globe Community might consider accepting defeat when, for a start, you have proven the earth to be flat with a coherent model that has:
  • An accurate map with the correct distances and directions adequate for long and short distance precise navigation.
    Note that ship and aircraft navigator have long used Globe derived maps to determine distance and directions.
    Many aircraft flights, including Kingsford Smith's crossing of the Pacific would have ended in disaster without accurate charts.

  • A flat earth shape/topology that allows "circumnavigation" in any of the many directions that have already been performed.
    In particular there are numerous polar-circumnavigations via both poles and a number equatorial circumnavigation, including one within 2 degrees of the equator.

  • An explanation for both the sun and moon appearing to rise rise top first from behind the horizon and appearing to set bottom first behind the horizon.

  • An explanation for the sun and moon remaining almost exactly the same angular size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • Some way to predict the directions and times of sunrises and sunsets.

  • A shape that allows the elevation of the Pole star, Polaris, above horizontal to be almost equal to the latitude from which the observation is made.

  • An explanation for the constellations remaining the same shape and size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • How the stars in the Northern Hemisphere can appear to rotate anti-clockwise around what known as the North Celestial Pole (close to Polaris) while
    the stars in the Southern Hemisphere can appear to rotate clockwise around what known as the South Celestial Pole (close to the faint star Sigma Octantis).
    In other words the stars appear to rotate around two distinct axes of rotation.

This is just a few that I can think of on the spot. Come back when you have sorted all those out.

I'm sure we can come up with a lot more things like the direction of rotation of hurricanes and cyclones and then the ordinary High and Low weather systems.

I'm sure that all these simple points have been raised before but I made a neat list for you to start on.
Or this:
There another simple observation that confirms that we live on a Globe and that is:
  • The "Wiki" claims that:
    Quote
    Basic Perspective
    A fact of basic perspective is that the line of the horizon is always at eye level with the observer.
    Have you ever noticed that as you climb a mountain the line of the horizon seems to rise with you?
    But it is easy to show that the horizon does not rise to "eye-level" as elevation increases but falls below it be a quite predictable angle.
What about addressing all these other issues the do not find your flat earth hypothesis?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on July 31, 2019, 09:47:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/d8PSsHV.jpg)

What don't you understand about the words "sea level"? Why are you replacing that term with "underground plane"? There is no such thing. Otherwise everything on the planet when expressed as height would be, "X feet above the 'underground plane'". That literally makes no sense. Do you say that Mt Everest is "29,000 feet above the underground plane"?

Do you really not understand the globe model?

It's clear what I mean. "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines"

If we lived on a Globe it would be expressed as Sea Curvevel

I am using the Globe Earth model and Macarios's language. See....

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191472#msg2191472

You are wildly misinterpreting Macario's original image and applying some sort of bizarre near logic to it. Globe model:

(https://i.imgur.com/KmESwOQ.jpg?1)

Gatun is 85' above SEA LEVEL not above an "underground plane".

Are you being cheeky or do you really have no concept as to how the globe model works?

No, I used his words in his Model Earth drawing and used his drawing. I noticed you removed his words and that plane line. Why?

Because you were incapable of understanding his first diagram (which is aimed at maybe a 3rd grader on up):

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

And then you couldn't seem to comprehend his second diagram and got hung up on 'underground plane' even though it's been made painfully clear we are all talking about SEA LEVEL.

According to you and your warped non-knowledge of the globe model, there should be a 'bulge' of water about 300 miles high over the center of the US. Correct?

No, I had wrote to him stating he had not included curvature details and he went back and added them. You weren't following along. But that's no reason to change his drawing.  You don't really understand flat Earth do you?

Do you understand what sea level is and that Mt Everest is not 29,000 feet above the 'underground plane'?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on July 31, 2019, 09:58:34 PM
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.
You might express " 'underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines'. O' elevation is mean sea level."

But it is not! And your keeping on saying that makes no difference to the facts, sorry about that.
Go and ask any geodetic surveyor because they are the ones that prepare the plans for large scale projects like the Panama and Suez Canal.

But in any case this erroneous claim of yours is not the only evidence thst we live on a Globe. You don't seem to have addressed these yet.
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
All the points you raise show nothing more than your failure to understand that elevations are measured above Mean Sea Level and not above some arbitrary lines that you choose to draw.

But the Globe Community might consider accepting defeat when, for a start, you have proven the earth to be flat with a coherent model that has:
  • An accurate map with the correct distances and directions adequate for long and short distance precise navigation.
    Note that ship and aircraft navigator have long used Globe derived maps to determine distance and directions.
    Many aircraft flights, including Kingsford Smith's crossing of the Pacific would have ended in disaster without accurate charts.

  • A flat earth shape/topology that allows "circumnavigation" in any of the many directions that have already been performed.
    In particular there are numerous polar-circumnavigations via both poles and a number equatorial circumnavigation, including one within 2 degrees of the equator.

  • An explanation for both the sun and moon appearing to rise rise top first from behind the horizon and appearing to set bottom first behind the horizon.

  • An explanation for the sun and moon remaining almost exactly the same angular size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • Some way to predict the directions and times of sunrises and sunsets.

  • A shape that allows the elevation of the Pole star, Polaris, above horizontal to be almost equal to the latitude from which the observation is made.

  • An explanation for the constellations remaining the same shape and size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • How the stars in the Northern Hemisphere can appear to rotate anti-clockwise around what known as the North Celestial Pole (close to Polaris) while
    the stars in the Southern Hemisphere can appear to rotate clockwise around what known as the South Celestial Pole (close to the faint star Sigma Octantis).
    In other words the stars appear to rotate around two distinct axes of rotation.

This is just a few that I can think of on the spot. Come back when you have sorted all those out.

I'm sure we can come up with a lot more things like the direction of rotation of hurricanes and cyclones and then the ordinary High and Low weather systems.

I'm sure that all these simple points have been raised before but I made a neat list for you to start on.
Or this:
There another simple observation that confirms that we live on a Globe and that is:
  • The "Wiki" claims that:
    Quote
    Basic Perspective
    A fact of basic perspective is that the line of the horizon is always at eye level with the observer.
    Have you ever noticed that as you climb a mountain the line of the horizon seems to rise with you?
    But it is easy to show that the horizon does not rise to "eye-level" as elevation increases but falls below it be a quite predictable angle.
What about addressing all these other issues the do not find your flat earth hypothesis?

Please stay on topic. I am sure you have discussed your questions with others here.

Your welcome to verify the alleged curvature of the Suez and post it here. That's where I am headed next. Join me.

Thanks!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on July 31, 2019, 10:19:31 PM
"Mean Sea Level" never means the straight line joining two oceans.

And as NotSoSkeptical says, "Why does your blue sea level follow the continental slope that goes beneath the ocean?"

I expressed "underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines". O' elevation is mean sea level.
You might express " 'underground plane connecting the oceans (0' elevation) coastlines'. O' elevation is mean sea level."

But it is not! And your keeping on saying that makes no difference to the facts, sorry about that.
Go and ask any geodetic surveyor because they are the ones that prepare the plans for large scale projects like the Panama and Suez Canal.

But in any case this erroneous claim of yours is not the only evidence thst we live on a Globe. You don't seem to have addressed these yet.
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
All the points you raise show nothing more than your failure to understand that elevations are measured above Mean Sea Level and not above some arbitrary lines that you choose to draw.

But the Globe Community might consider accepting defeat when, for a start, you have proven the earth to be flat with a coherent model that has:
  • An accurate map with the correct distances and directions adequate for long and short distance precise navigation.
    Note that ship and aircraft navigator have long used Globe derived maps to determine distance and directions.
    Many aircraft flights, including Kingsford Smith's crossing of the Pacific would have ended in disaster without accurate charts.

  • A flat earth shape/topology that allows "circumnavigation" in any of the many directions that have already been performed.
    In particular there are numerous polar-circumnavigations via both poles and a number equatorial circumnavigation, including one within 2 degrees of the equator.

  • An explanation for both the sun and moon appearing to rise rise top first from behind the horizon and appearing to set bottom first behind the horizon.

  • An explanation for the sun and moon remaining almost exactly the same angular size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • Some way to predict the directions and times of sunrises and sunsets.

  • A shape that allows the elevation of the Pole star, Polaris, above horizontal to be almost equal to the latitude from which the observation is made.

  • An explanation for the constellations remaining the same shape and size from rising to setting and from wherever they are observed.

  • How the stars in the Northern Hemisphere can appear to rotate anti-clockwise around what known as the North Celestial Pole (close to Polaris) while
    the stars in the Southern Hemisphere can appear to rotate clockwise around what known as the South Celestial Pole (close to the faint star Sigma Octantis).
    In other words the stars appear to rotate around two distinct axes of rotation.

This is just a few that I can think of on the spot. Come back when you have sorted all those out.

I'm sure we can come up with a lot more things like the direction of rotation of hurricanes and cyclones and then the ordinary High and Low weather systems.

I'm sure that all these simple points have been raised before but I made a neat list for you to start on.
Or this:
There another simple observation that confirms that we live on a Globe and that is:
  • The "Wiki" claims that:
    Quote
    Basic Perspective
    A fact of basic perspective is that the line of the horizon is always at eye level with the observer.
    Have you ever noticed that as you climb a mountain the line of the horizon seems to rise with you?
    But it is easy to show that the horizon does not rise to "eye-level" as elevation increases but falls below it be a quite predictable angle.
What about addressing all these other issues the do not find your flat earth hypothesis?

Please stay on topic. I am sure you have discussed your questions with others here.

Your welcome to verify the alleged curvature of the Suez and post it here. That's where I am headed next. Join me.

Thanks!
The topic is "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" and those points are all very relevant to that question.

You asked the question but I fail to what gives you the right to ignore most of the evidence and concentrate on an issue that cannot be proven or disproven by any here.

On the Suez Canal:
The Suez Canal is now 120.1 miles long and, apart from small tidal differences, the surface is at sea-level.
What is the point in "showing how much surface curvature bulge the Suez canal should have at center by its over all length?"
The surface in the centre would be some 2405 feet above a straight line joining sea-level at each end but that is of no relevance!

If you take issue with that ask your nearest geodetic surveyor how the levels were determined.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on July 31, 2019, 10:37:52 PM
In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings. Are you seeing it yet?

In spherical world engineers measure from Mean Sea Level.
Not from some imaginary straight line underground.
Not from some point 18 miles away.

Engineers know that builders will measure from Mean Sea Level as well.
Not from that imaginary straight line.

For that straight line nobody cares in reality.
It means nothing.

Mean Sea Level is the level where the water would be if there was no land there.

You replied to these words "In a spherical world engineers would include curvature in their engineering profiles and drawings." Your reply has nothing to do with what I wrote in bold.

But you measured from the imaginary straight line, for your Globe Earth Model to show how much surface curvature there should be between oceans and where to place sea level (at 216') and where to place Gatun Lake.  Did you forget about this? See what you posted in the following link.

 https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=82582.msg2191475#msg2191475

It is you who measured from the imaginary straight line, and it is you who added those 216 feet.
You presented those 216 feet in your greatly exaggerated "pile of water"
where your versions of elevations were measured from the bottom of it.

I also asked you to make the same assumption for Lake Kariba in Zambia, to show you where is the error.
I also asked you to tell us how high was that sea gull south of Panama City, was it 453 or 100 feet?

Eleveation is measured from Mean Sea Level both in design and in construction.
That Mean Sea Level can be shown as straight line in blueprints,
because your 216 feet compared to 36 miles is 0.04088 / 36 = 0.0011356 = 0.11356%

If one makes the drawing of Panama Canal from end to end to be, say, 3 feet,
then the bulge in the middle would be 3 x 0.0011356 = 0.0034 ft which is 1 millimeter.
The pencil line is 0.7 milimeter thick.

Would you bother to draw that millimeter at the line 3 feet long (914 mm)?

Would that millimeter mean anything to construction teams, when they also measure from Mean Sea Level, and not from any straight line?

EDIT: If these images here on an average monitor are 0.3 ft wide, then the bulge in the middle is 0.1 mm, while one pixel is 0.28 mm.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on July 31, 2019, 10:48:04 PM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on July 31, 2019, 11:32:21 PM
Here's another one, plats, so we don't have to all read through lots and lots of words for what can be explained by a simple couple of diagrams:

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/equipotential.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: radioflat on August 01, 2019, 01:53:45 AM
Here's another one, plats, so we don't have to all read through lots and lots of words for what can be explained by a simple couple of diagrams:

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/equipotential.jpg)

Well, a new player appears on the scene, with simple diagrams that won't confuse even the *youngest* Flat-Earther ...
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 01, 2019, 05:19:38 AM
You’re welcome.



Anyways. As already explained to you 100 times. The Panama Canal follows the curvature. 85 feet above sea level is 85 feet above sea level.

You said yes to "verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal" but gave a different argument. So I assume you can't do it?

Boats going over a alleged curve is a different issue. Some don't understand the science behind a surface mirage. You know, that image that heat and humidity creates near a flat surface and blocks the view?

Please stay on topic.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Not a mirage but refraction seen earlier in the day when you have cooler air.  but thanks for proving you don't understand the subject you argue against.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 01, 2019, 05:21:38 AM
Please note, you did not and will not ever debunk the globe.

You know, you can actually solve your problem by actually verifying the surface curvature of any landmass or canal. Can you do it?
We have no problem to solve. You have!

But curvature of any landmass is rather useless because landmasses have so many "ups and downs" that 216' in 36 miles would never be noticed.

And the curvature across place like Lake Pontchartrain have been demonstrated often enough. 
(https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/lake-pontchartrain-power-lines-demonstrating-the-curvature-metabunk-jpg.27877/)
Soundly Proving the Curvature of the Earth at Lake Pontchartrain
(https://www.metabunk.org/soundly-proving-the-curvature-of-the-earth-at-lake-pontchartrain.t8939/)

And there's plenty more if you really want to be shown that water does really "curve".

I ask that you please stay on topic.

Thanks.

(https://i.imgur.com/mDTT02P.jpg)
Hilarious that you post this again and prove you didn't read the objections from the first time. Of course when you view from higher up and zoom in you can see the shore line. That is how the horizon on a globe Earth works. It is farther away with an increase in elevation. But thanks AGAIN for proving you don't understand the subject.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 10:32:26 AM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)

The person that made your meme is dishonest. No flat Earther thinks that would happen on a sphere. We understand your theory. It would curve as they expressed.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 01, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)

The person that made your meme is dishonest. No flat Earther thinks that would happen on a sphere. We understand your theory. It would curve as they expressed.

Another plat idea in the dustbin...

Got any more?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 01, 2019, 11:42:02 AM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)

The person that made your meme is dishonest. No flat Earther thinks that would happen on a sphere. We understand your theory. It would curve as they expressed.

You realize that your uninformed notion about the Panama Canal is the same as the uninformed notion about the Suez Canal that you say no Flat Earther thinks would happen on a sphere?

These are the same bad concept:

(https://i.imgur.com/gcmie2r.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 12:27:19 PM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)

The person that made your meme is dishonest. No flat Earther thinks that would happen on a sphere. We understand your theory. It would curve as they expressed.

You realize that your uninformed notion about the Panama Canal is the same as the uninformed notion about the Suez Canal that you say no Flat Earther thinks would happen on a sphere?

These are the same bad concept:

(https://i.imgur.com/gcmie2r.jpg?1)

No, two different things. The Sues canal does not have any mass at center 85' above the sea level of both bodies of water. The oceans at the panama Canal does, but should have more if Earth is a sphere. The  lack of curvature is measured at the panama Canal. That's the key! But, you and others here  like to twist things don't you!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 12:31:53 PM
We know what you guys think should happen on a spherical Earth. So please express it correctly.


(https://i.imgur.com/xgI6ji5.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 12:32:28 PM
How is it twisted?
You literally produced a drawing and said the horz line should equal ~200ft of buldge.
No?
Yes?
Not hard to verfiy what you said.
Trying to pull a donald trump?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 12:39:12 PM
How is it twisted?
You literally produced a drawing and said the horz line should equal ~200ft of buldge.
No?
Yes?
Not hard to verfiy what you said.
Trying to pull a donald trump?

You are welcome to quote me that states "the horizon line should equal ~200ft of buldge"

Or are you twisting things?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 12:42:31 PM
This guy is pulling a whole tomB-scepti-wise post here - hung up on one item-inventingwords-posting replies as an image

Other definitions of level:
give a flat and even surface to.
"contractors started leveling the ground for the new power station"
synonyms:   make level, level out, level off, make even, even off, even out, make flat, flatten, smooth, smooth out, plane, make uniform, make regular, regularize; More
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 12:44:14 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

(https://i.imgur.com/soROEsV.jpg)

I typoed.
Horizontal.   Not horizon.
But heres your very first post.
200ft.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 12:58:24 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

(https://i.imgur.com/soROEsV.jpg)

I typoed.
Horizontal.   Not horizon.
But heres your very first post.
200ft.

My first post do not contain the words "horizontal, equal,  bulge or 200ft."  You are twisting things as I first stated.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 02:14:08 PM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)

The person that made your meme is dishonest. No flat Earther thinks that would happen on a sphere. We understand your theory. It would curve as they expressed.

You realize that your uninformed notion about the Panama Canal is the same as the uninformed notion about the Suez Canal that you say no Flat Earther thinks would happen on a sphere?

These are the same bad concept:

(https://i.imgur.com/gcmie2r.jpg?1)

No, two different things. The Sues canal does not have any mass at center 85' above the sea level of both bodies of water. The oceans at the panama Canal does, but should have more if Earth is a sphere. The  lack of curvature is measured at the panama Canal. That's the key! But, you and others here  like to twist things don't you!

Thebplease do define how there is a difference in waht you stated and what you have been shown to be incorrect?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 01, 2019, 02:46:15 PM
Here you go, plats......

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)

The person that made your meme is dishonest. No flat Earther thinks that would happen on a sphere. We understand your theory. It would curve as they expressed.

You realize that your uninformed notion about the Panama Canal is the same as the uninformed notion about the Suez Canal that you say no Flat Earther thinks would happen on a sphere?

These are the same bad concept:

(https://i.imgur.com/gcmie2r.jpg?1)

No, two different things. The Sues canal does not have any mass at center 85' above the sea level of both bodies of water. The oceans at the panama Canal does, but should have more if Earth is a sphere. The  lack of curvature is measured at the panama Canal. That's the key! But, you and others here  like to twist things don't you!

No, they are not two different things. They are literally the same exact concept:

(https://i.imgur.com/pUi9faY.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 03:01:08 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on August 01, 2019, 03:15:18 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)


Equivocation fallacy: Calling two different things by the same name. The use of the word level in the National Geographic quote is not the same as the definition given.

Let's find another place where definitions of "level" is given:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level

level noun
lev·​el | \ ˈle-vəl
\
Definition of level

 (Entry 1 of 3)
1 : a device for establishing a horizontal line or plane by means of a bubble in a liquid that shows adjustment to the horizontal by movement to the center of a slightly bowed glass tube
2 : a measurement of the difference of altitude of two points by means of a level
3 : horizontal condition especially : equilibrium of a fluid marked by a horizontal surface of even altitude water seeks its own level
4a : an approximately horizontal line or surface taken as an index of altitude Charts were arranged at eye level.
b : a practically horizontal surface or area (as of land) the level of the plateau
5 : a position in a scale or rank (as of achievement, significance, or value) funded at the national level the job appeals to me on many levels
6a : a line or surface that cuts perpendicularly all plumb lines that it meets and hence would everywhere coincide with a surface of still water
b : the plane of the horizon or a line in it
7 : a horizontal passage in a mine intended for regular working and transportation
8 : a concentration of a constituent especially of a body fluid (such as blood) a normal blood-sugar level
9 : the magnitude of a quantity considered in relation to an arbitrary reference value broadly : magnitude, intensity a high level of hostility
on the level
: bona fide, honest

level verb
leveled or levelled; leveling or levelling\ ˈle-​və-​liŋ
, ˈlev-​liŋ \

Definition of level (Entry 2 of 3)

transitive verb
1 : to make (a line or surface) horizontal : make flat or level level a field level off a house lot
2a : to bring to a horizontal aiming position
b : aim, direct leveled a charge of fraud
3 : to bring to a common level or plane : equalize love levels all ranks— W. S. Gilbert
4a : to lay level with or as if with the ground : raze
b : to knock down leveled him with one punch
5 : to make (something, such as color) even or uniform
6 : to find the heights of different points in (a piece of land) especially with a surveyor's level

intransitive verb
1 : to attain or come to a level the plane leveled off at 10,000 feet
2 : to aim a gun or other weapon horizontally
3 : to bring persons or things to a level
4 : to deal frankly and openly

level adjective

Definition of level (Entry 3 of 3)
1a : having no part higher than another : conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface
b : parallel with the plane of the horizon : horizontal
2a : even or unvarying in height
b : equal in advantage, progression, or standing
c : proceeding monotonously or uneventfully
d(1) : steady, unwavering gave him a level look
(2) : calm, unexcited spoke in level tones
3 : reasonable, balanced arrive at a justly proportional and level judgment on this affair— Sir Winston Churchill
4 : distributed evenly level stress
5 : being a surface perpendicular to all lines of force in a field of force : equipotential
6 : suited to a particular rank or plane of ability or achievement top-level thinking
7 : of or relating to the spreading out of a cost or charge in even payments over a period of time
level best
: very best

I run circles around you logically.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 01, 2019, 03:27:24 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

No, Macarios was extremely clear, several times. Gatun lake is 85' above SEA LEVEL. This has absolutely nothing to do with a notion of an 'underground plane'. SEA LEVEL!

The white dashed line is SEA LEVEL:

(https://i.imgur.com/NNeA3Xq.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 03:48:48 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)


Equivocation fallacy: Calling two different things by the same name. The use of the word level in the National Geographic quote is not the same as the definition given.

Let's find another place where definitions of "level" is given:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level

level noun
lev·​el | \ ˈle-vəl
\
Definition of level

 (Entry 1 of 3)
1 : a device for establishing a horizontal line or plane by means of a bubble in a liquid that shows adjustment to the horizontal by movement to the center of a slightly bowed glass tube
2 : a measurement of the difference of altitude of two points by means of a level
3 : horizontal condition especially : equilibrium of a fluid marked by a horizontal surface of even altitude water seeks its own level
4a : an approximately horizontal line or surface taken as an index of altitude Charts were arranged at eye level.
b : a practically horizontal surface or area (as of land) the level of the plateau
5 : a position in a scale or rank (as of achievement, significance, or value) funded at the national level the job appeals to me on many levels
6a : a line or surface that cuts perpendicularly all plumb lines that it meets and hence would everywhere coincide with a surface of still water
b : the plane of the horizon or a line in it
7 : a horizontal passage in a mine intended for regular working and transportation
8 : a concentration of a constituent especially of a body fluid (such as blood) a normal blood-sugar level
9 : the magnitude of a quantity considered in relation to an arbitrary reference value broadly : magnitude, intensity a high level of hostility
on the level
: bona fide, honest

level verb
leveled or levelled; leveling or levelling\ ˈle-​və-​liŋ
, ˈlev-​liŋ \

Definition of level (Entry 2 of 3)

transitive verb
1 : to make (a line or surface) horizontal : make flat or level level a field level off a house lot
2a : to bring to a horizontal aiming position
b : aim, direct leveled a charge of fraud
3 : to bring to a common level or plane : equalize love levels all ranks— W. S. Gilbert
4a : to lay level with or as if with the ground : raze
b : to knock down leveled him with one punch
5 : to make (something, such as color) even or uniform
6 : to find the heights of different points in (a piece of land) especially with a surveyor's level

intransitive verb
1 : to attain or come to a level the plane leveled off at 10,000 feet
2 : to aim a gun or other weapon horizontally
3 : to bring persons or things to a level
4 : to deal frankly and openly

level adjective

Definition of level (Entry 3 of 3)
1a : having no part higher than another : conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface
b : parallel with the plane of the horizon : horizontal
2a : even or unvarying in height
b : equal in advantage, progression, or standing
c : proceeding monotonously or uneventfully
d(1) : steady, unwavering gave him a level look
(2) : calm, unexcited spoke in level tones
3 : reasonable, balanced arrive at a justly proportional and level judgment on this affair— Sir Winston Churchill
4 : distributed evenly level stress
5 : being a surface perpendicular to all lines of force in a field of force : equipotential
6 : suited to a particular rank or plane of ability or achievement top-level thinking
7 : of or relating to the spreading out of a cost or charge in even payments over a period of time
level best
: very best

I run circles around you logically.

The Issue is Sea Level.

But lets do more research into what you posted. You have 1 highlighted and how many do I have?  Who's outnumbered? 

 (Entry 1 of 3)
1 : a device for establishing a horizontal line or plane by means of a bubble in a liquid that shows adjustment to the horizontal by movement to the center of a slightly bowed glass tube
2 : a measurement of the difference of altitude of two points by means of a level
3 : horizontal condition especially : equilibrium of a fluid marked by a horizontal surface of even altitude water seeks its own level
4a : an approximately horizontal line or surface taken as an index of altitude Charts were arranged at eye level.
b : a practically horizontal surface or area (as of land) the level of the plateau
5 : a position in a scale or rank (as of achievement, significance, or value) funded at the national level the job appeals to me on many levels
6a : a line or surface that cuts perpendicularly all plumb lines that it meets and hence would everywhere coincide with a surface of still water
b : the plane of the horizon or a line in it
7 : a horizontal passage in a mine intended for regular working and transportation
8 : a concentration of a constituent especially of a body fluid (such as blood) a normal blood-sugar level
9 : the magnitude of a quantity considered in relation to an arbitrary reference value broadly : magnitude, intensity a high level of hostility
on the level
: bona fide, honest

level verb
leveled or levelled; leveling or levelling\ ˈle-​və-​liŋ
, ˈlev-​liŋ \

Definition of level (Entry 2 of 3)

transitive verb
1 : to make (a line or surface) horizontal : make flat or level level a field level off a house lot
2a : to bring to a horizontal aiming position
b : aim, direct leveled a charge of fraud
3 : to bring to a common level or plane: equalize love levels all ranks— W. S. Gilbert
4a : to lay level with or as if with the ground : raze
b : to knock down leveled him with one punch
5 : to make (something, such as color) even or uniform
6 : to find the heights of different points in (a piece of land) especially with a surveyor's level

intransitive verb
1 : to attain or come to a level the plane leveled off at 10,000 feet
2 : to aim a gun or other weapon horizontally
3 : to bring persons or things to a level
4 : to deal frankly and openly

level adjective

Definition of level (Entry 3 of 3)
1a : having no part higher than another : conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface
b : parallel with the plane of the horizon : horizontal
2a : even or unvarying in height
b : equal in advantage, progression, or standing
c : proceeding monotonously or uneventfully
d(1) : steady, unwavering gave him a level look
(2) : calm, unexcited spoke in level tones
3 : reasonable, balanced arrive at a justly proportional and level judgment on this affair— Sir Winston Churchill
4 : distributed evenly level stress
5 : being a surface perpendicular to all lines of force in a field of force : equipotential
6 : suited to a particular rank or plane of ability or achievement top-level thinking
7 : of or relating to the spreading out of a cost or charge in even payments over a period of time
level best
: very best
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Curiouser and Curiouser on August 01, 2019, 03:56:12 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)


Equivocation fallacy: Calling two different things by the same name. The use of the word level in the National Geographic quote is not the same as the definition given.

Let's find another place where definitions of "level" is given:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/level

level noun
lev·​el | \ ˈle-vəl
\
Definition of level

 (Entry 1 of 3)
1 : a device for establishing a horizontal line or plane by means of a bubble in a liquid that shows adjustment to the horizontal by movement to the center of a slightly bowed glass tube
2 : a measurement of the difference of altitude of two points by means of a level
3 : horizontal condition especially : equilibrium of a fluid marked by a horizontal surface of even altitude water seeks its own level
4a : an approximately horizontal line or surface taken as an index of altitude Charts were arranged at eye level.
b : a practically horizontal surface or area (as of land) the level of the plateau
5 : a position in a scale or rank (as of achievement, significance, or value) funded at the national level the job appeals to me on many levels
6a : a line or surface that cuts perpendicularly all plumb lines that it meets and hence would everywhere coincide with a surface of still water
b : the plane of the horizon or a line in it
7 : a horizontal passage in a mine intended for regular working and transportation
8 : a concentration of a constituent especially of a body fluid (such as blood) a normal blood-sugar level
9 : the magnitude of a quantity considered in relation to an arbitrary reference value broadly : magnitude, intensity a high level of hostility
on the level
: bona fide, honest

level verb
leveled or levelled; leveling or levelling\ ˈle-​və-​liŋ
, ˈlev-​liŋ \

Definition of level (Entry 2 of 3)

transitive verb
1 : to make (a line or surface) horizontal : make flat or level level a field level off a house lot
2a : to bring to a horizontal aiming position
b : aim, direct leveled a charge of fraud
3 : to bring to a common level or plane : equalize love levels all ranks— W. S. Gilbert
4a : to lay level with or as if with the ground : raze
b : to knock down leveled him with one punch
5 : to make (something, such as color) even or uniform
6 : to find the heights of different points in (a piece of land) especially with a surveyor's level

intransitive verb
1 : to attain or come to a level the plane leveled off at 10,000 feet
2 : to aim a gun or other weapon horizontally
3 : to bring persons or things to a level
4 : to deal frankly and openly

level adjective

Definition of level (Entry 3 of 3)
1a : having no part higher than another : conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface
b : parallel with the plane of the horizon : horizontal
2a : even or unvarying in height
b : equal in advantage, progression, or standing
c : proceeding monotonously or uneventfully
d(1) : steady, unwavering gave him a level look
(2) : calm, unexcited spoke in level tones
3 : reasonable, balanced arrive at a justly proportional and level judgment on this affair— Sir Winston Churchill
4 : distributed evenly level stress
5 : being a surface perpendicular to all lines of force in a field of force : equipotential
6 : suited to a particular rank or plane of ability or achievement top-level thinking
7 : of or relating to the spreading out of a cost or charge in even payments over a period of time
level best
: very best

I run circles around you logically.

The Issue is Sea Level.

But lets do more research into what you posted. You have 1 highlighted and how many do I have?  Who's outnumbered? 

 (Entry 1 of 3)
1 : a device for establishing a horizontal line or plane by means of a bubble in a liquid that shows adjustment to the horizontal by movement to the center of a slightly bowed glass tube
2 : a measurement of the difference of altitude of two points by means of a level
3 : horizontal condition especially : equilibrium of a fluid marked by a horizontal surface of even altitude water seeks its own level
4a : an approximately horizontal line or surface taken as an index of altitude Charts were arranged at eye level.
b : a practically horizontal surface or area (as of land) the level of the plateau
5 : a position in a scale or rank (as of achievement, significance, or value) funded at the national level the job appeals to me on many levels
6a : a line or surface that cuts perpendicularly all plumb lines that it meets and hence would everywhere coincide with a surface of still water
b : the plane of the horizon or a line in it
7 : a horizontal passage in a mine intended for regular working and transportation
8 : a concentration of a constituent especially of a body fluid (such as blood) a normal blood-sugar level
9 : the magnitude of a quantity considered in relation to an arbitrary reference value broadly : magnitude, intensity a high level of hostility
on the level
: bona fide, honest

level verb
leveled or levelled; leveling or levelling\ ˈle-​və-​liŋ
, ˈlev-​liŋ \

Definition of level (Entry 2 of 3)

transitive verb
1 : to make (a line or surface) horizontal : make flat or level level a field level off a house lot
2a : to bring to a horizontal aiming position
b : aim, direct leveled a charge of fraud
3 : to bring to a common level or plane: equalize love levels all ranks— W. S. Gilbert
4a : to lay level with or as if with the ground : raze
b : to knock down leveled him with one punch
5 : to make (something, such as color) even or uniform
6 : to find the heights of different points in (a piece of land) especially with a surveyor's level

intransitive verb
1 : to attain or come to a level the plane leveled off at 10,000 feet
2 : to aim a gun or other weapon horizontally
3 : to bring persons or things to a level
4 : to deal frankly and openly

level adjective

Definition of level (Entry 3 of 3)
1a : having no part higher than another : conforming to the curvature of the liquid parts of the earth's surface
b : parallel with the plane of the horizon : horizontal
2a : even or unvarying in height
b : equal in advantage, progression, or standing
c : proceeding monotonously or uneventfully
d(1) : steady, unwavering gave him a level look
(2) : calm, unexcited spoke in level tones
3 : reasonable, balanced arrive at a justly proportional and level judgment on this affair— Sir Winston Churchill
4 : distributed evenly level stress
5 : being a surface perpendicular to all lines of force in a field of force : equipotential
6 : suited to a particular rank or plane of ability or achievement top-level thinking
7 : of or relating to the spreading out of a cost or charge in even payments over a period of time
level best
: very best

All "outnumbering" means is that you are using a dozen inappropriate definitions instead of one appropriate one.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 01, 2019, 04:11:04 PM
We will accept defeat when the FEers actually manage defeat.
They are yet to come close.

There are so many issues that FE cannot explain which RE easily explain.
If you want to have REers accept defeat you will need to come up with a consistent FE model which addresses all the issues, rather than having heaps of different models where each model addresses a single issue.
You will also need to ditch the strawmanning and shifting of the burden of proof.

If you wish to assert that the lake is only 85 archaic units above the ocean, rather than sea level then you can provide the measurements which show that. Not just repeatedly stating it or providing a diagram showing elevation above sea level, but the actual measurements used to determine what the elevation is, with all the details.

Otherwise the best you can do is say that the RE side hasn't proven it is 85 archaic units above sea level. That doesn't defeat or disprove the RE side. It just means that one specific piece of information hasn't been sufficiently substantiated on this forum.

Your entire case seems to be complaining about the use of mean sea level rather than a particular imaginary line.
Why should that imaginary line be used rather than any other?
There is literally no justification to use any particular straight line.
This means you could produce loads of different diagrams with loads of different numbers with no justification for the numbers.
So instead mean sea level is used.

As for you cherry picking definitions, it doesn't matter how many there are, if you need to ignore one to make your case, it shows you have no case.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

You didnt.
We knew what you were saying.
It was rehtorical and or used to walk YOU through it.
But do go on.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 04:48:22 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

You didnt.
We knew what you were saying.
It was rehtorical and or used to walk YOU through it.
But do go on.
I'm not sure that's the real reason for all, but some like to play games.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 05:10:33 PM
In ref to your post two posts ago - Land is not "level".
Thats why they are shown in ft or m above sea level.
The earth is not a perfectly smooth balloid.
If you want curvature over land it would have to take into accounts hills and valleys and mountains and gorges.
Think a little bit of what youre asking in relation to the actual question your asking.
Are you asking the community to - Use a non uniform surface to determine an average uniform shape.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 05:21:47 PM
We will accept defeat when the FEers actually manage defeat.
They are yet to come close.

There are so many issues that FE cannot explain which RE easily explain.
If you want to have REers accept defeat you will need to come up with a consistent FE model which addresses all the issues, rather than having heaps of different models where each model addresses a single issue.
You will also need to ditch the strawmanning and shifting of the burden of proof.

If you wish to assert that the lake is only 85 archaic units above the ocean, rather than sea level then you can provide the measurements which show that. Not just repeatedly stating it or providing a diagram showing elevation above sea level, but the actual measurements used to determine what the elevation is, with all the details.

Otherwise the best you can do is say that the RE side hasn't proven it is 85 archaic units above sea level. That doesn't defeat or disprove the RE side. It just means that one specific piece of information hasn't been sufficiently substantiated on this forum.

Your entire case seems to be complaining about the use of mean sea level rather than a particular imaginary line.
Why should that imaginary line be used rather than any other?
There is literally no justification to use any particular straight line.
This means you could produce loads of different diagrams with loads of different numbers with no justification for the numbers.
So instead mean sea level is used.

As for you cherry picking definitions, it doesn't matter how many there are, if you need to ignore one to make your case, it shows you have no case.

Have you also believe Earth has curvature without a shred of verification? I did, and boy I did not want to accept defeat. I believed what I was told from a child. I was told what to learn, and test on it and accept it because everybody does with no questions asked. Just a few months back I realized nothing in my natural surrounding indicated I lived on a spinning planet hurling through space.  No curvizon, no motion, nothing made me think I lived on a sphere. I said surely someone can verify the flat areas I have been to (Florida) have the curvature as dictated.  You know what I learned? No one has verified the alleged surface curvature anywhere.  They just accepted it as fact without verification.  And here you are talking like my school teacher without any verification of curvature. No thank you. I am not a sheep anymore and don't follow a Global path with ideas of Global warming too.

The Flat Earth movement is expanding rapidly. The Globe Earth community is going to have to come up with some hard facts to keep their followers. Questionable space missions and pictures aren't going to do it anymore. You and they need to prove the foundation of the Globe theory with actually verification of Earth's alleged surface curvature.

Verification?  I hope you understand what that means and how it relates to science.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 01, 2019, 07:06:58 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

You didnt.
We knew what you were saying.
It was rehtorical and or used to walk YOU through it.
But do go on.
I'm not sure that's the real reason for all, but some like to play games.

Just so we're hopefully on the same page of understanding, here's the Globe model and Flat model together. Agreed?

(https://i.imgur.com/LszQisr.jpg?1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 07:12:33 PM
As far as "above sea level" goes - yes on my side for all 4.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 07:15:45 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)

You didnt.
We knew what you were saying.
It was rehtorical and or used to walk YOU through it.
But do go on.
I'm not sure that's the real reason for all, but some like to play games.

Just so we're hopefully on the same page of understanding, here's the Globe model and Flat model together. Agreed?

(https://i.imgur.com/LszQisr.jpg?1)

No, I don't agree. You need to include the curvature and elevation details for the panama Canal like Macarios and I did. And it's Sea curve for you. Use the right geometrical word to describe the line for your theory.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 01, 2019, 07:40:02 PM
This reply is for those who questioned why I have a blued curved ocean over the Panama Canal profile. It was just a visual illustration of how much water would be over the Canal area if Earth were a sphere. In my post I explain the Canal at center would be under 131’ of saltwater.  I didn’t know I had to spell it out for some.

I also would like to  make another point.

If Earth were a sphere and the land curved with the sphere, Gatun lake would have already been at least 301’ or more (instead of at 85’) from the underground plane connecting the oceans (at 0’ elevation) as seen from Macarios' drawing.

Since Earth’s surface was not at curvature of 216’ in reality, it was necessary for Macarios' to make it appear on paper it matched the Globe Earth model through curvature math.  But his method proved he was actually measuring from actually sea level and then moved sea level up to 216’ and placed Gatun 85' higher to match the Globe model.  So yes, if Earth were a sphere, the Panama Canal area would be under 131’ of water because the landmass is below the curvature of a sphere and Gatun is actually only 85' above both oceans and not 301 as can be seen in Macarios' drawing.  Thank goodness it's not a sphere, because a lot of landmass would be underwater. Only mountains and really high hills would exist.

(https://i.imgur.com/8isafsA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6hiGGdH.jpg)
So AGAIN you prove you don't understand the subject.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 07:45:27 PM
As far as "above sea level" goes - yes on my side for all 4.

Fine
As far as "above sea curve" goes - yes on my side for all 4.

How about you get off the terminology, as yoy choose to use  uncommon terms, and instead just focus on the diagrams in of themsevles.

And those simplfied diagrams remove the clutter of details and focus in on the fact that you seem to not comprehend - top two show round earth will NOT have a 200ft deep bulge of water.
There is land under the canal.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 01, 2019, 07:46:38 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 08:07:04 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?

The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder. NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.

Please, i'v heard enough. Have a nice evening.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 01, 2019, 09:40:56 PM
As far as the eye can see to the left, right and center, everyone in this world views a horizontal line where sky meets ocean.

If the earth was flat there wouldn't be a sharp line, it would be a haze.

You also don't see curvature from left to right by eyesight when you are standing on the surface of the earth.  For example, if you take a basketball and hold it in your hand close to your face, you will see still see the curvature of the ball.  This is because the ball is small compared to you.  If you scaled yourself down to the size of a 1mm grain of sand, the earth would still have the circumference of roughly 13 miles.  Scale that further down so earth is the size of a basketball and you being on its surface, you would be so small you wouldn't see the curvature.  Everything would appear flat.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 01, 2019, 10:06:19 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?

The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder. NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.

Please, i'v heard enough. Have a nice evening.

You didn't even bother looking at the link he gave you...
(https://i.imgur.com/jr0ID6j.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 01, 2019, 10:11:15 PM
No, two different things. The Sues canal does not have any mass at center 85' above the sea level of both bodies of water. The oceans at the panama Canal does, but should have more if Earth is a sphere. The  lack of curvature is measured at the panama Canal. That's the key! But, you and others here  like to twist things don't you!

Above Sea Level, period.
Not the sea level of Pacific ocean, not the sea level of Mediterranean sea, not the sea level of Indian ocean.

The sea level of the planet Earth.
The level the water would have if it was there instead of continents.

AGAIN: The level at the center of the Panama Canal you measure from sea level there, not from sea level 18 miles away at the coast.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 01, 2019, 10:14:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?
The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder.
No, it's not a major blunder! As frenat said, yet another topic you don't understand and I'm betting you'll ignore it.
So now I'll make it easy for you!
Quote
Debunked: "Blue Marble" Photos show a Changing Earth (https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/)
But what of the more unusual suggestion that the images are fake, because they show the continents being different sizes. Like many such things, it's all about perspective, and the way our brains work. We look at these images of the Earth, and our brain thinks of it as a flat object. You'd think if you get close to something, then it will get bigger, but not change shape. But this breaks down for three dimensional objects. If you get close to a globe, then you can see less of it, so the visible objects seem a lot bigger relative to the visible disc of the globe. The part of the globe in the middle is also a lot closer to your eye (relative to the edges) so seems bigger, like it's bulging out more than it actually is. You can verify this yourself with a household globe and your eyes (or a camera)

When the camera is just a few inches from the globe, then North America seems to take up nearly all of the hemisphere. But as the camera moves back, then you can see more of the globe, and so the true relative size can be seen.

(https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/near-far-perspective-jpg.20974/)

This explains why South America in the 1967 image (taken 22,000 miles away) looks bigger than South America in the 2015 image (taken 930,000 miles away). But what about the 2002 image? And what about this?

(https://www.metabunk.org/sk/20150725-145612-ltvhf.jpg)

That's "Blue Marble 2012", another composite image, but this time made with the Suomi NPP satellite. Is the difference here because the Suomi satellite at a lower height compared to the Terra satellite from the 2002 images? No, the Suomi satellite at 517 miles, it actually higherthan Terra, at 438 miles. And from either of those altitudes, you'd only be able to see a relatively small part of the Earth.

Remember, the composite images are not real photos, they are stitched together into 3D models, and then images are rendered in the computer. So where is the camera relative to the Earth? It's anywhere you want it to be. Since it's a virtual camera, you can position it anywhere you want, at any altitude, and then draw the view from there. For the 2012 image, they simply moved the virtual camera to a relatively low viewpoint, and then had the computer render the view from there. You can duplicate the exact same effect in Google Earth by zooming out to about 5000 miles eye altitude.

I'll let you read the rest.

Quote from: Plat Terra
NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.
But the landmass being a different size every year does not mean in any way, shape or form mean that "the pictures are questionable"!
It simple means that you simply cannot grasp perspective.

But why mention "Hubble"? Not only is it too close to the earth but there are numerous other reasons that it could not be used for this purpose.

But the Japanese Himawari 8 satellite can and takes at least one photo like this every 10 minutes.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/tua1lvdqxin7ehp/20170821%2000.00%20UTC%20JMA%20Himawari%20201708210000-00.jpg?dl=1)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 01, 2019, 10:18:23 PM
Verification?  I hope you understand what that means and how it relates to science.

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)

(http://wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/images/pers.png) (http://i.imgur.com/qEC4G.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 10:22:09 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?

The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder. NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.

Please, i'v heard enough. Have a nice evening.

You didn't even bother looking at the link he gave you...
(https://i.imgur.com/jr0ID6j.jpg)
Your pictures are deceptive. Those pictures were not crafted through composites and CGI. Again, the pictures are questionable.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 10:26:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?
The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder.
No, it's not a major blunder! As frenat said, yet another topic you don't understand and I'm betting you'll ignore it.
So now I'll make it easy for you!
Quote
Debunked: "Blue Marble" Photos show a Changing Earth (https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/)
But what of the more unusual suggestion that the images are fake, because they show the continents being different sizes. Like many such things, it's all about perspective, and the way our brains work. We look at these images of the Earth, and our brain thinks of it as a flat object. You'd think if you get close to something, then it will get bigger, but not change shape. But this breaks down for three dimensional objects. If you get close to a globe, then you can see less of it, so the visible objects seem a lot bigger relative to the visible disc of the globe. The part of the globe in the middle is also a lot closer to your eye (relative to the edges) so seems bigger, like it's bulging out more than it actually is. You can verify this yourself with a household globe and your eyes (or a camera)

When the camera is just a few inches from the globe, then North America seems to take up nearly all of the hemisphere. But as the camera moves back, then you can see more of the globe, and so the true relative size can be seen.

(https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/near-far-perspective-jpg.20974/)

This explains why South America in the 1967 image (taken 22,000 miles away) looks bigger than South America in the 2015 image (taken 930,000 miles away). But what about the 2002 image? And what about this?

(https://www.metabunk.org/sk/20150725-145612-ltvhf.jpg)

That's "Blue Marble 2012", another composite image, but this time made with the Suomi NPP satellite. Is the difference here because the Suomi satellite at a lower height compared to the Terra satellite from the 2002 images? No, the Suomi satellite at 517 miles, it actually higherthan Terra, at 438 miles. And from either of those altitudes, you'd only be able to see a relatively small part of the Earth.

Remember, the composite images are not real photos, they are stitched together into 3D models, and then images are rendered in the computer. So where is the camera relative to the Earth? It's anywhere you want it to be. Since it's a virtual camera, you can position it anywhere you want, at any altitude, and then draw the view from there. For the 2012 image, they simply moved the virtual camera to a relatively low viewpoint, and then had the computer render the view from there. You can duplicate the exact same effect in Google Earth by zooming out to about 5000 miles eye altitude.

I'll let you read the rest.

Quote from: Plat Terra
NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.
But the landmass being a different size every year does not mean in any way, shape or form mean that "the pictures are questionable"!
It simple means that you simply cannot grasp perspective.

But why mention "Hubble"? Not only is it too close to the earth but there are numerous other reasons that it could not be used for this purpose.

But the Japanese Himawari 8 satellite can and takes at least one photo like this every 10 minutes.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/tua1lvdqxin7ehp/20170821%2000.00%20UTC%20JMA%20Himawari%20201708210000-00.jpg?dl=1)

Again, your pictures are deceptive. Those Globe Model pictures were not crafted through composites and CGI. Again, the pictures are questionable.

(https://i.imgur.com/9CyaJjP.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 10:30:01 PM
No, two different things. The Sues canal does not have any mass at center 85' above the sea level of both bodies of water. The oceans at the panama Canal does, but should have more if Earth is a sphere. The  lack of curvature is measured at the panama Canal. That's the key! But, you and others here  like to twist things don't you!

Above Sea Level, period.
Not the sea level of Pacific ocean, not the sea level of Mediterranean sea, not the sea level of Indian ocean.

The sea level of the planet Earth.
The level the water would have if it was there instead of continents.

AGAIN: The level at the center of the Panama Canal you measure from sea level there, not from sea level 18 miles away at the coast.

Well, we can agree it's level as in plane, horizontal, flat not curve. You know, the same words you use. 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 01, 2019, 10:35:00 PM
No, two different things. The Sues canal does not have any mass at center 85' above the sea level of both bodies of water. The oceans at the panama Canal does, but should have more if Earth is a sphere. The  lack of curvature is measured at the panama Canal. That's the key! But, you and others here  like to twist things don't you!

Above Sea Level, period.
Not the sea level of Pacific ocean, not the sea level of Mediterranean sea, not the sea level of Indian ocean.

The sea level of the planet Earth.
The level the water would have if it was there instead of continents.

AGAIN: The level at the center of the Panama Canal you measure from sea level there, not from sea level 18 miles away at the coast.

Well, we can agree it's level as in plane, horizontal, flat not curve. You know, the same words you use.

No, not like in "plane".
The words "level" and "flat" are only occasionally interchageable, but not here.

No semantics will change that.
Semantics you can only use to convince people who don't know enough, not to replace facts.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 01, 2019, 10:36:31 PM
As far as the eye can see to the left, right and center, everyone in this world views a horizontal line where sky meets ocean.  Engineers know water seeks its own level.  It’s the natural dynamics of fluid. So, it’s no wonder why elevations are measured from the surface of the connecting oceans no matter what they claim.

Whoever was the first to teach the circumference of the Earth is basically the established reference point for “Sea Level”  and called a curved geometrical line "level" and without verifying the alleged surface curvature was an idiot. He was intellectually dishonest and didn’t have genuine ethics. He only did so to further his cause through pseudoscience.

You cannot trust using Sea Level to establish a curvature point as taught by those in the Globe community because surface curvature has never be verified by anyone.


(https://i.imgur.com/KQjRW9b.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 01, 2019, 10:43:52 PM
As far as the eye can see to the left, right and center, everyone in this world views a horizontal line where sky meets ocean.
Exactly as it should be seen on a huge Globe because on that Globe the distance to a water horizon must be the same distance away all 360° around.

And that circle is being viewed almost edge on so it looks straight.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Engineers know water seeks its own level.  It’s the natural dynamics of fluid. So, it’s no wonder why elevations are measured from the surface of the connecting oceans no matter what they claim.
Yes, these "Engineers know water seeks its own level.  It’s the natural dynamics of fluid" and that "level" is the profile that results in the lowest potential energy.

And that is something else that we Engineers know that you seem quite ignorant of.

That "profile that results in the lowest potential energy." is known as the geoid and is within a hundred metres or so of being a perfect ellipsoid.

And for simple explanations that ellipsoid is near enough to a sphere and so the water conforms to almost a perfect sphere.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Whoever was the first to teach the circumference of the Earth is basically the established reference point for “Sea Level”  and called a curved geometrical line "level" and without verifying the alleged surface curvature was an idiot. He was intellectually dishonest and didn’t have genuine ethics. He only did so to further his cause through pseudoscience.
No, you're the one spreading pseudoscience and you have n basis for your claims that he "was an idiot. He was intellectually dishonest and didn’t have genuine ethics. He only did so to further his cause through pseudoscience."

You've so far demonstrated no real understanding of anything let alone evidence for the earth's being a Globe.

Quote from: Plat Terra
You cannot trust using Sea Level to establish a curvature point as taught by those in the Globe community because surface curvature has never be verified by anyone.
And where did you drag that from, one of you YouTube mates?

The evidence for the Globe, both direct and indirect, has accumulated for over 2000 years. Don't imagine that one such as yourself can hope to overturn it.

There's far more than "curvature" to worry about but everything from an accurate map to the apparent motions of the Sun, moon, planets and stars to get right!

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://i.imgur.com/KQjRW9b.jpg)
Sure, it's a nice photo showing the sharp straight flat horizon expected on a huge Globe! Here's another but it doesn't fit your flat earth too well ;D:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnht4c1r5hh4vx1/Sunrise%20-%20Black%20Sea%20HD%2C%20kalcymc%20-%20sun%20part%20risen.jpg?dl=1)

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 01, 2019, 10:48:23 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?

The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder. NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.

Please, i'v heard enough. Have a nice evening.

You didn't even bother looking at the link he gave you...
(https://i.imgur.com/jr0ID6j.jpg)
Your pictures are deceptive. Those pictures were not crafted through composites and CGI. Again, the pictures are questionable.

You can question nasa pictures all you want, but it has been demonstrated to you how taking pictures of a globe from different distances makes the continents size look different, therefore the comment you made with the yellow circles is pointless.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 01, 2019, 10:55:13 PM
As far as the eye can see to the left, right and center, everyone in this world views a horizontal line where sky meets ocean.  Engineers know water seeks its own level.  It’s the natural dynamics of fluid. So, it’s no wonder why elevations are measured from the surface of the connecting oceans no matter what they claim.

Whoever was the first to teach the circumference of the Earth is basically the established reference point for “Sea Level”  and called a curved geometrical line "level" and without verifying the alleged surface curvature was an idiot. He was intellectually dishonest and didn’t have genuine ethics. He only did so to further his cause through pseudoscience.

You cannot trust using Sea Level to establish a curvature point as taught by those in the Globe community because surface curvature has never be verified by anyone.

(https://i.imgur.com/KQjRW9b.jpg)

Curvature has been measured by surveyors for centuries. As a more modern example, you might want to take the issue up with CalTech & MIT. They constructed a massive marvel of engineering called LIGO:

LIGO - A Gravitational-Wave Interferometer
LIGO currently consists of two interferometers, each with two 4 km (2.5 mile) long arms arranged in the shape of an “L”. These instruments act as 'antennae' to detect gravitational waves.

(https://i.imgur.com/P9jY6ib.jpg?1)

According to them, the precision in construction was of the utmost importance. So much so that ‘level’ would not work, they had to account for earth’s curvature:

"Beam Tube Installation

LIGO's arms are long enough that the curvature of the Earth itself was a complicating factor when installing the vacuum tubes. It wasn’t enough for LIGO’s civil engineers to smooth a  level path and assemble each arm’s tubes in a straight line. To ensure a perfectly level beam path, the Earth’s curvature (more than a vertical meter over the length of each arm) was countered by GPS-assisted earth-moving and high-precision concrete work."

https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/page/vacuum
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 01, 2019, 11:14:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?
The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder.
No, it's not a major blunder! As frenat said, yet another topic you don't understand and I'm betting you'll ignore it.
So now I'll make it easy for you!
Quote
Debunked: "Blue Marble" Photos show a Changing Earth (https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/)
But what of the more unusual suggestion that the images are fake, because they show the continents being different sizes. Like many such things, it's all about perspective, and the way our brains work. We look at these images of the Earth, and our brain thinks of it as a flat object. You'd think if you get close to something, then it will get bigger, but not change shape. But this breaks down for three dimensional objects. If you get close to a globe, then you can see less of it, so the visible objects seem a lot bigger relative to the visible disc of the globe. The part of the globe in the middle is also a lot closer to your eye (relative to the edges) so seems bigger, like it's bulging out more than it actually is. You can verify this yourself with a household globe and your eyes (or a camera)

When the camera is just a few inches from the globe, then North America seems to take up nearly all of the hemisphere. But as the camera moves back, then you can see more of the globe, and so the true relative size can be seen.

(https://www.metabunk.org/attachments/near-far-perspective-jpg.20974/)

This explains why South America in the 1967 image (taken 22,000 miles away) looks bigger than South America in the 2015 image (taken 930,000 miles away). But what about the 2002 image? And what about this?

(https://www.metabunk.org/sk/20150725-145612-ltvhf.jpg)

That's "Blue Marble 2012", another composite image, but this time made with the Suomi NPP satellite. Is the difference here because the Suomi satellite at a lower height compared to the Terra satellite from the 2002 images? No, the Suomi satellite at 517 miles, it actually higherthan Terra, at 438 miles. And from either of those altitudes, you'd only be able to see a relatively small part of the Earth.

Remember, the composite images are not real photos, they are stitched together into 3D models, and then images are rendered in the computer. So where is the camera relative to the Earth? It's anywhere you want it to be. Since it's a virtual camera, you can position it anywhere you want, at any altitude, and then draw the view from there. For the 2012 image, they simply moved the virtual camera to a relatively low viewpoint, and then had the computer render the view from there. You can duplicate the exact same effect in Google Earth by zooming out to about 5000 miles eye altitude.

I'll let you read the rest.

Quote from: Plat Terra
NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.
But the landmass being a different size every year does not mean in any way, shape or form mean that "the pictures are questionable"!
It simple means that you simply cannot grasp perspective.

But why mention "Hubble"? Not only is it too close to the earth but there are numerous other reasons that it could not be used for this purpose.

But the Japanese Himawari 8 satellite can and takes at least one photo like this every 10 minutes.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/tua1lvdqxin7ehp/20170821%2000.00%20UTC%20JMA%20Himawari%20201708210000-00.jpg?dl=1)

Again, your pictures are deceptive. Those Globe Model pictures were not crafted through composites and CGI. Again, the pictures are questionable.

Your empty claim, "Again, your pictures are deceptive" is just meaningless words. Why are the "deceptive".
NASA explains the source of each one so where is the deception?

But NASA is by no means the only source of such photos:
(http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_9.jpg)         (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/6kuFLvSPKdL551BBRsjM2MTtGy8=/36x0:983x631/920x613/filters:focal(36x0:983x631):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/assets/1114614/earth-russia.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 01, 2019, 11:41:24 PM




(https://i.imgur.com/jr0ID6j.jpg)
Your pictures are deceptive. Those pictures were not crafted through composites and CGI. Again, the pictures are questionable.





Are you seriously refuting an easily and i mean EASILY reproducible experiment?
the model globe pictures are "questionalbe"?
ok, go to the store hobby store that sells globes.
i assume you have a phone-camera and take some pictures.
would require going outside.
good luck!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 02, 2019, 01:34:44 AM
Plats, spend the dollars, buy yourself a globe of the earth, get your camera ready, and put on your detective cap. There is nothing questionable about either those photos of the earth or of those globes where north america appears different sizes in those photos.

Your flat earth gurus would have you believe that all planes that fly east, are curving to the left, while all planes that fly west, are curving to the right. Bullshit.

Name one plane which got blown off course and flew off the edge of the earth? Name one person who lost their life to falling off the edge of the earth? Go for it, plats....

 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 02, 2019, 01:43:36 AM
Have you also believe Earth has curvature without a shred of verification?
Ignoring that it has been verified wont help your case.
The curvature of Earth has been varied in so many ways it isn't funny.
You rejecting them all as fake wont help your case.

All you are really saying is that YOU haven't verified the curvature of Earth.

As for your image, good job showing you have no idea how photograph works, and how when you take a picture of a ball, the amount of the ball you can see will vary depending upon your distance from it. That means that a visible object will appear to take up a different portion of the total "circle" depending upon how far away you are.

You have already been given a link to an example showing that:
https://www.metabunk.org/sk/globe_comparison_with_distance.jpg

And no, appealing to CGI or composites wont help you. The images which actually are composites were presented as such, and there are plenty of non-composite images.
And the process of making a composite image of a round surface like that of Earth is to make a model, stitch the images together on the model, and then use a virtual camera to take a virtual photo of that model.

So the fact that what you are complaining about happens in reality and can easily be verified shows your argument is pure garbage.
The fact that you seem to cling to it shows your position is indefensible.

If FE is going to gain credibility it will need top stop with these pathetic arguments, stop trying to refute the globe, and starting working on a unified model which can actually explain reality.

Now care to address what I have said?

As far as the eye can see to the left, right and center, everyone in this world views a horizontal line where sky meets ocean
You mean a circle that goes all around them. It clearly isn't a line as it isn't only in one direction.

Engineers know water seeks its own level.
Yes, level, not flat.
No one (at least no one that I know of) says that water seeks its own flat.

It’s the natural dynamics of fluid.
Yes, adopting an equipotential surface, regardless of the conditions, not just magically being flat.
The effects of surface tension and interaction with other surfaces can result in it being concave or convex.
Motion can also effect it.

Water doesn't magically find its own flat. All it does is adopt an equipotential surface.
If the surface wasn't equipotential, then the high energy section will move towards the low energy section to lose energy.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 02, 2019, 05:16:53 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ep0DESQ.jpg)
so yet another topic you don't understand. Different cameras with different lenses will see different amounts of a sphere. You could recreate the effect yourself with a globe and camera with interchangeable lenses but I'm betting you won't.

Described in detail here
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-blue-marble-photos-show-a-changing-earth.t6616/
but I'm betting you'll ignore it.

Those spheres are about the same size and that's not a problem. What are you ignoring? What's inside the yellow circles?

The scale of the landmass in relation to the sphere is the major blunder. NASA get's billions of dollars and the landmass are a different size every year and they allegedly have Hubble. Just as I said, the pictures are questionable.

Please, i'v heard enough. Have a nice evening.
I'm not ignoring anything but thanks for proving you didn't bother to look at the link. The landmasses can appear to be different sizes depending on the lens used. I was NOT talking about the size of the spheres.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 07:29:04 AM
Whoever was the first to teach the circumference of the Earth is basically the established reference point for “Sea Level”  and called a curved geometrical line "level" and without verifying the alleged surface curvature was an idiot. He was intellectually dishonest and didn’t have genuine ethics. He only did so to further his cause through pseudoscience.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 08:23:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/774i8qT.jpg)

If I lived on a Globe Earth and was indoctrinated into believing the Earth was Flat and was presented a real picture of the Curvizon, I too would also say,  “that’s how it’s supposed to look from that distance through optics.”  Light refracts through optics so you can see as much of the Curvizon as possible but it’s really a horizontal line.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 02, 2019, 08:41:48 AM
Why should sea level be measured from a mine shaft?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 08:49:53 AM
Why should sea level be measured from a mine shaft?

Which sea level? Flat Earth or Globe?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 02, 2019, 08:50:35 AM
Globe
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 02, 2019, 08:59:34 AM
Why should sea level be measured from a mine shaft?

Which sea level? Flat Earth or Globe?

The measured one, whichever it is.

And measures show it curves.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 09:01:38 AM
Why should sea level be measured from a mine shaft?

Which sea level? Flat Earth or Globe?

The measured one, whichever it is.

And measures show it curves.

Identification matters.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 02, 2019, 09:22:24 AM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Science does not require me to preform every experiment.
Also it’s not proper to answer a question with a question.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 02, 2019, 09:37:31 AM
The Earth has been verified as an oblate spheroid through literally thousands of experiments and experiences.

There is literally a mountain of photographic evidence. Whether you claim them to be "fake" or not is completely irrelevant.

We have all witnessed every single point you have presented easily debunked with actual, verifiable data.

The shape of the Earth is universally accepted as spheroid. I would kindly suggest you go out and experience it for yourself. It's a beautiful place!

...unless you have some other YouTube flat Earth talking points you'd like debunked.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 10:03:11 AM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Science does not require me to preform every experiment.
Also it’s not proper to answer a question with a question.

It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information? I don’t want to be led along blindly. However, if you have, I am willing to learn more and answer your questions. Verification is good science for such a belief as a Globe Earth.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 10:06:57 AM
The Earth has been verified as an oblate spheroid through literally thousands of experiments and experiences.

There is literally a mountain of photographic evidence. Whether you claim them to be "fake" or not is completely irrelevant.

We have all witnessed every single point you have presented easily debunked with actual, verifiable data.

The shape of the Earth is universally accepted as spheroid. I would kindly suggest you go out and experience it for yourself. It's a beautiful place!

...unless you have some other YouTube flat Earth talking points you'd like debunked.

If what you say is true, then I should able to find the verified curvature of any landmass or canal just like I can with its elevation, width, length and location. But I can't. Why?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 10:09:52 AM
The Earth has been verified as an oblate spheroid through literally thousands of experiments and experiences.

There is literally a mountain of photographic evidence. Whether you claim them to be "fake" or not is completely irrelevant.

We have all witnessed every single point you have presented easily debunked with actual, verifiable data.

The shape of the Earth is universally accepted as spheroid. I would kindly suggest you go out and experience it for yourself. It's a beautiful place!

...unless you have some other YouTube flat Earth talking points you'd like debunked.

If what you say is true, then I should able to find the verified curvature of any landmass or canal just like I can with its elevation, width, length and location. But I can't. Why?

Between what two points?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 10:13:09 AM
The Earth has been verified as an oblate spheroid through literally thousands of experiments and experiences.

There is literally a mountain of photographic evidence. Whether you claim them to be "fake" or not is completely irrelevant.

We have all witnessed every single point you have presented easily debunked with actual, verifiable data.

The shape of the Earth is universally accepted as spheroid. I would kindly suggest you go out and experience it for yourself. It's a beautiful place!

...unless you have some other YouTube flat Earth talking points you'd like debunked.

If what you say is true, then I should able to find the verified curvature of any landmass or canal just like I can with its elevation, width, length and location. But I can't. Why?

Between what two points?


You should know, right?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 10:31:05 AM
The Earth has been verified as an oblate spheroid through literally thousands of experiments and experiences.

There is literally a mountain of photographic evidence. Whether you claim them to be "fake" or not is completely irrelevant.

We have all witnessed every single point you have presented easily debunked with actual, verifiable data.

The shape of the Earth is universally accepted as spheroid. I would kindly suggest you go out and experience it for yourself. It's a beautiful place!

...unless you have some other YouTube flat Earth talking points you'd like debunked.

If what you say is true, then I should able to find the verified curvature of any landmass or canal just like I can with its elevation, width, length and location. But I can't. Why?

Between what two points?


You should know, right?

How would I know what two points you seek elevations above MSL?

You could look at the NAD88. Geodetic surveying has been going on for 150 years or so. The next one will be the NAD22 when it is complete. There are topo maps made with excruciating levels of detail.

You could look into great circle routes of long haul flights and shipping. There's a reason why they use great circles, not rhumb lines. Look it up. Every great circle route is 'verified' every time it is taken.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 02, 2019, 10:46:45 AM
The Earth has been verified as an oblate spheroid through literally thousands of experiments and experiences.

There is literally a mountain of photographic evidence. Whether you claim them to be "fake" or not is completely irrelevant.

We have all witnessed every single point you have presented easily debunked with actual, verifiable data.

The shape of the Earth is universally accepted as spheroid. I would kindly suggest you go out and experience it for yourself. It's a beautiful place!

...unless you have some other YouTube flat Earth talking points you'd like debunked.

If what you say is true, then I should able to find the verified curvature of any landmass or canal just like I can with its elevation, width, length and location. But I can't. Why?

Because you don't want to?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 02, 2019, 11:05:49 AM
Apparently bad form to asnwer a q with a q.
Ha

But seriously.
What are you on about, plata?
Address the point made in ref to the 200ft budlge and why it is invalid.
End this.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 11:30:14 AM
Science proves water seeks it's own level through experimentation. Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.  If you disagree, I then challenge you to actually verify the water contained in the Suez Canal curves with a Globe Earth's circumference and is not below the grade of the curve and is not level as experimentation proves.   

(https://i.imgur.com/TW1kDFX.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 02, 2019, 12:01:28 PM
What was that bad experimetn perfromed by rowboat?
Looks like it could be re-tried here on the northern half of the canal as it seems quite straight - If ship bottom dips below the horizon, the earth is curving.

But then if you think about it, does it even have to be a canal?
We could use any stretch of water of significant length.
Wheres googonomny.
He used to be a sailor and could explain.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 12:18:41 PM
What was that bad experimetn perfromed by rowboat?
Looks like it could be re-tried here on the northern half of the canal as it seems quite straight - If ship bottom dips below the horizon, the earth is curving.

But then if you think about it, does it even have to be a canal?
We could use any stretch of water of significant length.
Wheres googonomny.
He used to be a sailor and could explain.

Yeah and perform the experiment on a hot steamy day as to make sure you can't see the Boat.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 02, 2019, 12:31:00 PM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Science does not require me to preform every experiment.
Also it’s not proper to answer a question with a question.

It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information? I don’t want to be led along blindly. However, if you have, I am willing to learn more and answer your questions. Verification is good science for such a belief as a Globe Earth.
You clearly don’t want to learn anything.

I like a lot of people have seen thing disappear behind the horizon. This is evidence for a round earth.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 12:37:14 PM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Science does not require me to preform every experiment.
Also it’s not proper to answer a question with a question.

It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information? I don’t want to be led along blindly. However, if you have, I am willing to learn more and answer your questions. Verification is good science for such a belief as a Globe Earth.
You clearly don’t want to learn anything.

I like a lot of people have seen thing disappear behind the horizon. This is evidence for a round earth.

Yeah and the legs of this man and woman have also disappeared behind the curve. I saw it myself! It's true. Please believe me!

(https://i.imgur.com/XNBzPFh.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 12:37:41 PM
Science proves water seeks it's own level through experimentation. Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.  If you disagree, I then challenge you to actually verify the water contained in the Suez Canal curves with a Globe Earth's circumference and is not below the grade of the curve and is not level as experimentation proves.   

A surveyor by the name of Bourdaloue would disagree and verified the curvature for the Suez Canal project back in the 1850's. His predecessor, LePere, had erroneously surveyed and stated the Med was 9 meters above the Red. That stalled the project for some 50 years. Bourdaloue came along and being one of the fathers of "Orthometric Levelling", determined that the difference was actually negligible. He performed his survey from end to end.

What is Orthometric Levelling in surveyor parlance? It is defined by determining the orthometric height of a point. It is the distance H along a plumb line from the point to a reference height. When the reference height is a geoid model, orthometric height is for practical purposes "height above sea level".

(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324988344/figure/fig1/AS:623646146064384@1525700236054/The-difference-between-the-orthometric-and-ellipsoidal-height.png)

In order to determine the true height of the Med versus the Red and all points in between, Orthometric Levelling surveying was performed and verified.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 02, 2019, 12:39:04 PM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Science does not require me to preform every experiment.
Also it’s not proper to answer a question with a question.

It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information? I don’t want to be led along blindly. However, if you have, I am willing to learn more and answer your questions. Verification is good science for such a belief as a Globe Earth.
You clearly don’t want to learn anything.

I like a lot of people have seen thing disappear behind the horizon. This is evidence for a round earth.

Yeah and the legs of this man and woman have also disappeared behind the curve. I saw it myself! It's true. Please believe me!

(https://i.imgur.com/XNBzPFh.jpg)
Mirages are well know. 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 12:54:04 PM
Globe

Have you verified the alleged surface curvature of this Earth to use its alleged circumference as a reference point for sea curve anywhere and for a Globe? If not, why?
Science does not require me to preform every experiment.
Also it’s not proper to answer a question with a question.

It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information? I don’t want to be led along blindly. However, if you have, I am willing to learn more and answer your questions. Verification is good science for such a belief as a Globe Earth.
You clearly don’t want to learn anything.

I like a lot of people have seen thing disappear behind the horizon. This is evidence for a round earth.

Yeah and the legs of this man and woman have also disappeared behind the curve. I saw it myself! It's true. Please believe me!

(https://i.imgur.com/XNBzPFh.jpg)
Mirages are well know.

Yes, mirages are well known, except when it comes to boats going over a curve. Only then the mirages can't apply, right?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 02, 2019, 12:55:44 PM
Why should sea level be measured from a mine shaft?

Which sea level? Flat Earth or Globe?

The measured one, whichever it is.

And measures show it curves.

Identification matters.

You could already identify it yourself.
The curved one was measured in reality, the flat one exists in Jeranism's wishes.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 01:00:20 PM
Science proves water seeks it's own level through experimentation. Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.  If you disagree, I then challenge you to actually verify the water contained in the Suez Canal curves with a Globe Earth's circumference and is not below the grade of the curve and is not level as experimentation proves.   

A surveyor by the name of Bourdaloue would disagree and verified the curvature for the Suez Canal project back in the 1850's. His predecessor, LePere, had erroneously surveyed and stated the Med was 9 meters above the Red. That stalled the project for some 50 years. Bourdaloue came along and being one of the fathers of "Orthometric Levelling", determined that the difference was actually negligible. He performed his survey from end to end.

What is Orthometric Levelling in surveyor parlance? It is defined by determining the orthometric height of a point. It is the distance H along a plumb line from the point to a reference height. When the reference height is a geoid model, orthometric height is for practical purposes "height above sea level".

(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324988344/figure/fig1/AS:623646146064384@1525700236054/The-difference-between-the-orthometric-and-ellipsoidal-height.png)

In order to determine the true height of the Med versus the Red and all points in between, Orthometric Levelling surveying was performed and verified.

Continue........
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: markjo on August 02, 2019, 01:30:25 PM
Yes, mirages are well known, except when it comes to boats going over a curve. Only then the mirages can't apply, right?
Mirages (atmospheric refractive phenomena) can and do apply to boats going over a curve under certain, well defined conditions.  The trick is to understand what those conditions are and how they apply.
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/130/590x/top-pic3-676472.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
Science proves water seeks it's own level through experimentation. Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.  If you disagree, I then challenge you to actually verify the water contained in the Suez Canal curves with a Globe Earth's circumference and is not below the grade of the curve and is not level as experimentation proves.   

A surveyor by the name of Bourdaloue would disagree and verified the curvature for the Suez Canal project back in the 1850's. His predecessor, LePere, had erroneously surveyed and stated the Med was 9 meters above the Red. That stalled the project for some 50 years. Bourdaloue came along and being one of the fathers of "Orthometric Levelling", determined that the difference was actually negligible. He performed his survey from end to end.

What is Orthometric Levelling in surveyor parlance? It is defined by determining the orthometric height of a point. It is the distance H along a plumb line from the point to a reference height. When the reference height is a geoid model, orthometric height is for practical purposes "height above sea level".

(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324988344/figure/fig1/AS:623646146064384@1525700236054/The-difference-between-the-orthometric-and-ellipsoidal-height.png)

In order to determine the true height of the Med versus the Red and all points in between, Orthometric Levelling surveying was performed and verified.

Continue........

Actually, it's your claim. You should provide some actual evidence to support it. So far, you just keep creating memes with incorrect notions about various models and with flawed logic. I already showed you that the CalTech & MIT effort to construct LIGO had to take earth's curvature into account. Perhaps in your limited understanding that particular site is the only place where a spheroid earth is relevant.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 02:42:42 PM
Yes, mirages are well known, except when it comes to boats going over a curve. Only then the mirages can't apply, right?
Mirages (atmospheric refractive phenomena) can and do apply to boats going over a curve under certain, well defined conditions.  The trick is to understand what those conditions are and how they apply.
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/130/590x/top-pic3-676472.jpg)

You mean like this when even the docked boat at shore can't be seen?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 02, 2019, 02:54:11 PM
It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information?
They don't need to verify it with their own measurements.
They just need to know the evidence for it.

If you expected them to have verified it all themselves, then science teachers would have to spend their entire lives going out verifying each piece of science before being able to teach and then no one would ever be a science teacher.

Do you demand the same ridiculous standards for all other aspects of science, or just the ones you reject without cause?

Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.
Stop lying.
It has already been explained repeatedly that that is not the case. Level does not always mean flat.

If you wish to assert such nonsense the burden of proof is on you to show that water in large bodies is flat, not curved.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 02, 2019, 02:58:52 PM
Yes, mirages are well known, except when it comes to boats going over a curve. Only then the mirages can't apply, right?
Mirages (atmospheric refractive phenomena) can and do apply to boats going over a curve under certain, well defined conditions.  The trick is to understand what those conditions are and how they apply.
(https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/130/590x/top-pic3-676472.jpg)

Plata,
You could chose to measure in a range of conditions to factor out weather effects.
No ones limiting you to one hot day prone to atmospheric uncertainty.
Take a sample.
You know...how other science does it.
As you scoffed earlier.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 02, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?

I for one would love to see how the dome or the ice wall have been verified by the FE community, but apparently they are too busy investigating the panama canal and looking for flaws in pictures from NASA.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 02, 2019, 03:09:37 PM

Yeah and the legs of this man and woman have also disappeared behind the curve. I saw it myself! It's true. Please believe me!

(https://i.imgur.com/XNBzPFh.jpg)
Mirages are well know.

Yes, mirages are well known, except when it comes to boats going over a curve. Only then the mirages can't apply, right?
Of course mirages can apply then but in most cases, as in your photo, the mirage can be seen for what it is.

And most of the time ships, etc disappearing is not caused by atmospheric conditions as in:

Something is hiding behind the curve. by BM Furball


And a couple of the Bathurst Lighthouse on Rottnest Island (sorry, no boats):

Bathurst Lighthouse - The fastest flat Earth destroyer in the West.
by Wolfie6020
               
Wolfie6020 and Bathurst Lighthouse destroy Flat Earth again
by Critical Think

And the ultimate disappearing "trick":

Manhattan Beach, California "Ocean Waves Crashing with Sunset" "Relaxation Meditation"


Are you going to claim that every night we get a mirage that hides the sun till next morning when it pops up on the other side?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Unconvinced on August 02, 2019, 03:17:56 PM

I for one would love to see how the dome or the ice wall have been verified by the FE community, but apparently they are too busy investigating the panama canal and looking for flaws in pictures from NASA.

Quite.  As per topic title, I won’t be accepting defeat on grounds of flat earthers unable to understand things like gravity or refraction.

Show me the dome, or the edge, or the infinite uncharted lands beyond the wall, or whatever flat earthers subscribe to.  It shouldn’t be that hard if it were real.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 03:25:49 PM
You mean like this when even the docked boat at shore can't be seen?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)

First of all, the Suez Canal was surveyed 150 years ago with verified orthometric leveling to ensure an even sea level transition between the Red and the Med. If you would like to re-verify it, research and/or go out and survey it yourself.

Secondly, I'm tired of seeing ye olde skunk bay image as proof of anything. It's 5 miles across the bay. What would you expect as a curve in 5 miles? It's a couple of feet. And no one has ever said, "Oh look over there, 5 miles, across skunk bay, the shoreline is over the horizon..." No one. That doesn't even make sense. So what if miraging appears in a time lapse. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. So what? Ridiculous.

Thirdly, where did you dig up, "Curved surfaces do not create mirages"? Did you just make that up?

Lastly, learn the models. Including your own. You have zero idea what you are even arguing against. You've shown, time and time again, from your "Shadow Experiments" memes to your Canal/Curve memes that you have no clue how any of the models work. And you resort to making up things, like new phrases for 'sea level' and such. Do at least a smidge of research and bone up on logic.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 04:52:10 PM


There is no reason to re-present videos to counter your argument, again and again like many others have. You will just keep repeating the same things over and over. Your arguments don’t matter anymore considering you are incapable of actually verifying (the foundation of your theory) surface curvature. NASA, SpaceX and Newton can’t even help you now.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 05:09:22 PM
You mean like this when even the docked boat at shore can't be seen?

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)


Secondly, I'm tired of seeing ye olde skunk bay image as proof of anything. It's 5 miles across the bay. What would you expect as a curve in 5 miles? It's a couple of feet. And no one has ever said, "Oh look over there, 5 miles, across skunk bay, the shoreline is over the horizon..." No one. That doesn't even make sense. So what if miraging appears in a time lapse. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. So what? Ridiculous.

Thirdly, where did you dig up, "Curved surfaces do not create mirages"? Did you just make that up?



You do realize there is 16' drop in curvature at 5 miles? And do you see how much of the shoreline view is blocked?

I learned it through observation while driving over hilly roads.  In between each hill a mirage can be observed at the surface only if the surface is flat to the next curve and rising hill. There is no mirage over the curved areas of the road. And because superior mirages are horizontal.

(https://i.imgur.com/skLMT0t.jpg)

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 05:10:15 PM


There is no reason to re-present videos to counter your argument, again and again like many others have. You will just keep repeating the same things over and over. Your arguments don’t matter anymore considering you are incapable of actually verifying (the foundation of your theory) surface curvature. NASA, SpaceX and Newton can’t even help you now.

How far is it from Miami to Manhattan on a flat earth? Describe the method you used to determine the distance and how you verified it.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 02, 2019, 05:11:30 PM
It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information?
They don't need to verify it with their own measurements.
They just need to know the evidence for it.

If you expected them to have verified it all themselves, then science teachers would have to spend their entire lives going out verifying each piece of science before being able to teach and then no one would ever be a science teacher.

Do you demand the same ridiculous standards for all other aspects of science, or just the ones you reject without cause?

Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.
Stop lying.
It has already been explained repeatedly that that is not the case. Level does not always mean flat.

If you wish to assert such nonsense the burden of proof is on you to show that water in large bodies is flat, not curved.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?

I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius. And yet everyone follows it blindly, without any verification. This is why I said “you.”

Truth seekers need to know people accept the Globe Earth theory in the same manner and way as fairytales, gossip and hearsay is accepted and passed down throughout history and through agenda driven media and Elites. 

The Globe Earth theory is also accepted in the same manner as all traditions passed down through history right or wrong, such as political affiliation, membership into a club and other . It is accepted because of traditions without question.

Soon, if not all ready, you, your children  and grandchildren will believe in more than two-genders also, not because it’s true and has been verified, but because it’s the way of mainstream. You probable already believe in global warming hoax too, right?

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean. There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space. No motion, no turbulence and nothing curved at a distance.

So you better verify that surface curvature and make sure it conforms to a sphere as claimed, because your numbers are dwindling.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRL3IGv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/434Q0ok.jpg)

You keep claiming that nobody has verified the curvature of the globe, yet you have been repeatedly shown that your statement is completely false.

Tell me, what evidence would you accept that shows you are wrong?

None?

You speak of an "agenda" regarding concealment of the true shape of the Earth. Would you care to describe this "agenda"? Please, don't spare the juicy details!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 05:26:47 PM
It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information?
They don't need to verify it with their own measurements.
They just need to know the evidence for it.

If you expected them to have verified it all themselves, then science teachers would have to spend their entire lives going out verifying each piece of science before being able to teach and then no one would ever be a science teacher.

Do you demand the same ridiculous standards for all other aspects of science, or just the ones you reject without cause?

Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.
Stop lying.
It has already been explained repeatedly that that is not the case. Level does not always mean flat.

If you wish to assert such nonsense the burden of proof is on you to show that water in large bodies is flat, not curved.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?

I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius. And yet everyone follows it blindly, without any verification. This is why I said “you.”

Truth seekers need to know people accept the Globe Earth theory in the same manner and way as fairytales, gossip and hearsay is accepted and passed down throughout history and through agenda driven media and Elites. 

The Globe Earth theory is also accepted in the same manner as all traditions passed down through history right or wrong, such as political affiliation, membership into a club and other . It is accepted because of traditions without question.

Soon, if not all ready, you, your children  and grandchildren will believe in more than two-genders also, not because it’s true and has been verified, but because it’s the way of mainstream. You probable already believe in global warming hoax too, right?

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean. There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space. No motion, no turbulence and nothing curved at a distance.

So you better verify that surface curvature and make sure it conforms to a sphere as claimed, because your numbers are dwindling.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRL3IGv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/434Q0ok.jpg)

You keep claiming that nobody has verified the curvature of the globe, yet you have been repeatedly shown that your statement is completely false.

Tell me, what evidence would you accept that shows you are wrong?

None?

You speak of an "agenda" regarding concealment of the true shape of the Earth. Would you care to describe this "agenda"? Please, don't spare the juicy details!

Read my signature again. It says landmass and canal. If you can do that then what choice do I have?

Agenda? You won't like it. Have a look.....

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 02, 2019, 05:33:11 PM
I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius.
Expressing the same lie in another way wont help you.
The curvature of Earth has been verified, countless times.

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean.
No, they see a circle, which goes all around.
If they use an accurate measuring device, they see that this circle is below them, with an angle of dip as expected for a RE.

There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space.
Except the horizon, and the behaviour of the horizon and objects near it, and the apparent motion of stars.
And then there are plenty of instruments for accurately measuring it.
You not liking that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What there is nothing of is any indication that Earth is a flat, motionless plane.

You do realize there is 16' drop in curvature at 5 miles?
And how high was the camera?

What you actually need to do is use the height of the camera to determine the distance to the horizon, and then use the remaining distance to determine how much should be hidden.

And do you see how much of the shoreline view is blocked?
In which image?
Is the first image the one without distortion, with the shoreline visible, and then the second one has atmospheric effects obscuring the horizon?
Or is the second image the one without significant distortion, with the first one allowing more to be visible due to refraction?

I learned it through observation while driving over hilly roads.
So you assumed it based upon incomplete observations.
You can't use examples of mirages occurring in one location to conclude they can't form in another.
Nor can you use the simple absence of them in one location to confirm that they can't form there.

That would be like saying because I don't see a mirage over a flat table, they can't form on flat surfaces.
Or because I have only seen them in a particular location on Earth, that that one location is the only place they can form.
There is nothing rational or scientific about that.

What you actually need to do is focus on how mirages form.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 02, 2019, 05:55:05 PM


There is no reason to re-present videos to counter your argument, again and again like many others have. You will just keep repeating the same things over and over. Your arguments don’t matter anymore considering you are incapable of actually verifying (the foundation of your theory) surface curvature. NASA, SpaceX and Newton can’t even help you now.
You have never shown that the curvature is not there!
And I'm sorry, Mr Plat Terra, but I don't have to follow your rules!

Your topic is "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" and you don't get to answer that question, we do! Get that?
The "Globe Earth Community" will accept defeat when the "Globe Earth Community" says so and not before!
I am not the "Globe Earth Community" just one insignificant person.

But why do you dismiss all evidence except the one little bit that you choose?
There is a tremendous amount of evidence both from observations on Earth and from astronomy that you refuse to even acknowledge.
Until you learn to face that simple fact you've got no case.

I show a video that clearly demonstrates enough curve to hide a great deal of land and buildings but you dismiss it out of hand, this one:

Something is hiding behind the curve. by BM Furball


I show a video that clearly demonstrates that the horizon clearly falls well below eye-level (contrary to flat-earth) but you dismiss it out of hand:

Wolfie6020 and Bathurst Lighthouse destroy Flat Earth again by Critical Think


You say "NASA and SpaceX can’t even help you now" but I posted no photos from either. I posted these!
(http://mentallandscape.com/C_Zond07_9.jpg)         (https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/6kuFLvSPKdL551BBRsjM2MTtGy8=/36x0:983x631/920x613/filters:focal(36x0:983x631):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/assets/1114614/earth-russia.jpg)
No NASA there and the left one is from long before SpaceX existed!

And you say, "Newton can’t even help you now" but there you're wrong!
Newton knew a great deal more than you about the Laws of Motion and Gravitation.
Either his "Laws of Motion" or his "Law of Universal Gravitation" debunk any flat earth models of today and together they demolish the whole idea of the earth's being flat - so you must debunk all of Newton!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 02, 2019, 05:55:24 PM
What was that bad experimetn perfromed by rowboat?
Looks like it could be re-tried here on the northern half of the canal as it seems quite straight - If ship bottom dips below the horizon, the earth is curving.

But then if you think about it, does it even have to be a canal?
We could use any stretch of water of significant length.
Wheres googonomny.
He used to be a sailor and could explain.

Yeah and perform the experiment on a hot steamy day as to make sure you can't see the Boat.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Why do you keep ignoring the replies you get about this pic? In the morning there is more refraction as the air is cooler. It even SHOWS the air is cooler on your pic. You just ignore what is inconvenient for your beliefs. Thanks for the humor!

Although at least it appears you abandoned all your silly proposed experiments that you assumed the results of without testing.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 02, 2019, 05:58:29 PM
It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information?
They don't need to verify it with their own measurements.
They just need to know the evidence for it.

If you expected them to have verified it all themselves, then science teachers would have to spend their entire lives going out verifying each piece of science before being able to teach and then no one would ever be a science teacher.

Do you demand the same ridiculous standards for all other aspects of science, or just the ones you reject without cause?

Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.
Stop lying.
It has already been explained repeatedly that that is not the case. Level does not always mean flat.

If you wish to assert such nonsense the burden of proof is on you to show that water in large bodies is flat, not curved.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?

I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius. And yet everyone follows it blindly, without any verification. This is why I said “you.”

Truth seekers need to know people accept the Globe Earth theory in the same manner and way as fairytales, gossip and hearsay is accepted and passed down throughout history and through agenda driven media and Elites. 

The Globe Earth theory is also accepted in the same manner as all traditions passed down through history right or wrong, such as political affiliation, membership into a club and other . It is accepted because of traditions without question.

Soon, if not all ready, you, your children  and grandchildren will believe in more than two-genders also, not because it’s true and has been verified, but because it’s the way of mainstream. You probable already believe in global warming hoax too, right?

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean. There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space. No motion, no turbulence and nothing curved at a distance.

So you better verify that surface curvature and make sure it conforms to a sphere as claimed, because your numbers are dwindling.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRL3IGv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/434Q0ok.jpg)

You keep claiming that nobody has verified the curvature of the globe, yet you have been repeatedly shown that your statement is completely false.

Tell me, what evidence would you accept that shows you are wrong?

None?

You speak of an "agenda" regarding concealment of the true shape of the Earth. Would you care to describe this "agenda"? Please, don't spare the juicy details!

Read my signature again. It says landmass and canal. If you can do that then what choice do I have?

Agenda? You won't like it. Have a look.....




Thar doesn't answer the question as to what evidence you would accept.

Your sig says "The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone."

Who do you consider to be the "globe community"? Do you include the all of Earths inhabitants who do not post on a flat Earth website? Or is it just a name given to the RE people who post on this forum?


Can you summarize that video? Specifically, what is to gain through such deception? Should be a simple question.

Why would you expect me to believe that video is anything more than a complete "photoshop hoax"?
Do you think it would be fair if I take the same stance that every flat Earth person takes regarding video evidence of our globe?

 I could only watch a few minutes before her tinfoil hat showed up, but I can tell you this... The shape of the Earth was measured, documented, and verified a LONG TIME before Disney or "mainstream media" were even a thing.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 06:11:04 PM
I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius.
Expressing the same lie in another way wont help you.
The curvature of Earth has been verified, countless times.

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean.
No, they see a circle, which goes all around.
If they use an accurate measuring device, they see that this circle is below them, with an angle of dip as expected for a RE.

There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space.
Except the horizon, and the behaviour of the horizon and objects near it, and the apparent motion of stars.
And then there are plenty of instruments for accurately measuring it.
You not liking that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What there is nothing of is any indication that Earth is a flat, motionless plane.

You do realize there is 16' drop in curvature at 5 miles?
And how high was the camera?

What you actually need to do is use the height of the camera to determine the distance to the horizon, and then use the remaining distance to determine how much should be hidden.

And do you see how much of the shoreline view is blocked?
In which image?
Is the first image the one without distortion, with the shoreline visible, and then the second one has atmospheric effects obscuring the horizon?
Or is the second image the one without significant distortion, with the first one allowing more to be visible due to refraction?

I learned it through observation while driving over hilly roads.
So you assumed it based upon incomplete observations.
You can't use examples of mirages occurring in one location to conclude they can't form in another.
Nor can you use the simple absence of them in one location to confirm that they can't form there.



Even on a infinite Plane we can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.  If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump. What does he see out the opened hatch?

(https://i.imgur.com/KRef3Fw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 06:17:05 PM
What was that bad experimetn perfromed by rowboat?
Looks like it could be re-tried here on the northern half of the canal as it seems quite straight - If ship bottom dips below the horizon, the earth is curving.

But then if you think about it, does it even have to be a canal?
We could use any stretch of water of significant length.
Wheres googonomny.
He used to be a sailor and could explain.

Yeah and perform the experiment on a hot steamy day as to make sure you can't see the Boat.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Why do you keep ignoring the replies you get about this pic? In the morning there is more refraction as the air is cooler. It even SHOWS the air is cooler on your pic. You just ignore what is inconvenient for your beliefs. Thanks for the humor!

Although at least it appears you abandoned all your silly proposed experiments that you assumed the results of without testing.

Well, I am glad you find some humor. BTW, do you find humor in my avatar?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 06:21:06 PM
Even on a infinite Plane we can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.  If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump. What does he see out the opened hatch?

All fine and good. But your sig says, "The Globe community is incapable of verifying Earth has the curvature calculated through experiment or claimed by anyone. They can measure a band of helium but they can’t actually measure and verify the dictated curvature of any landmass or canal. Why not?"

And we have shown that the curve has and is measured and a factor. However, you can't actually measure and verify the distance from Miami to Manhattan on a flat earth? Why not?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 02, 2019, 06:48:26 PM
Even on a infinite Plane we can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.  If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump. What does he see out the opened hatch?
For an infinite plane, the horizon should be a blur at eye level.
The fact that it isn't at eye level means we are on a sphere.

On a perfect sphere the horizon would be circle centred on a point below you.
It would have the same angle of dip all around.
It would not curve from the centre, as the centre is below you, not on the horizon.
The perimeter of a circle has no centre.

A balloon at a height of 100 000 archaic units is only 0.5% of the radius above the sphere.
The horizon would be at a distance of roughly 387 archaic units or roughly 2 million archaic units.
That means you are only roughly 4.9% of the radius of the circle above the circle (note, this circle is the horizon).
That would be like getting a hula hoop with a diameter of 1 m, and looking at it from 2 cm above it.
If you are only viewing a tiny angle of this circle, it will appear pretty much as a straight line.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 02, 2019, 06:53:46 PM
I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius.
Expressing the same lie in another way wont help you.
The curvature of Earth has been verified, countless times.

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean.
No, they see a circle, which goes all around.
If they use an accurate measuring device, they see that this circle is below them, with an angle of dip as expected for a RE.

There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space.
Except the horizon, and the behaviour of the horizon and objects near it, and the apparent motion of stars.
And then there are plenty of instruments for accurately measuring it.
You not liking that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What there is nothing of is any indication that Earth is a flat, motionless plane.

You do realize there is 16' drop in curvature at 5 miles?
And how high was the camera?

What you actually need to do is use the height of the camera to determine the distance to the horizon, and then use the remaining distance to determine how much should be hidden.

And do you see how much of the shoreline view is blocked?
In which image?
Is the first image the one without distortion, with the shoreline visible, and then the second one has atmospheric effects obscuring the horizon?
Or is the second image the one without significant distortion, with the first one allowing more to be visible due to refraction?

I learned it through observation while driving over hilly roads.
So you assumed it based upon incomplete observations.
You can't use examples of mirages occurring in one location to conclude they can't form in another.
Nor can you use the simple absence of them in one location to confirm that they can't form there.



Even on a infinite Plane we can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.  If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump. What does he see out the opened hatch?

(https://i.imgur.com/KRef3Fw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)


You do realize that the earth is huge.

If you were the size of a grain of sand, the earth's circumference would still be over 13 miles.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 02, 2019, 07:07:20 PM
What was that bad experimetn perfromed by rowboat?
Looks like it could be re-tried here on the northern half of the canal as it seems quite straight - If ship bottom dips below the horizon, the earth is curving.

But then if you think about it, does it even have to be a canal?
We could use any stretch of water of significant length.
Wheres googonomny.
He used to be a sailor and could explain.

Yeah and perform the experiment on a hot steamy day as to make sure you can't see the Boat.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZdYZPWd.jpg)
Why do you keep ignoring the replies you get about this pic? In the morning there is more refraction as the air is cooler. It even SHOWS the air is cooler on your pic. You just ignore what is inconvenient for your beliefs. Thanks for the humor!

Although at least it appears you abandoned all your silly proposed experiments that you assumed the results of without testing.

Well, I am glad you find some humor. BTW, do you find humor in my avatar?
the humor is in how desperate you are and how much you just ignore anything inconvenient for your predetermined conclusions. The humor is in how much you don't understand about the subject you argue against. That you make claims like the horizon should curve from "center left to right" proves that. The humor is how much you get wrong in nearly every post. The humor is in how you proposed multiple supposed experiments to prove the Earth flat and ASSUMED the results when you hadn't bothered to do a single one. I'm betting you still haven't bothered to read the link I provided before regarding the Earth pics and the difference in the apparent size of landmasses. You're a joke.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: trustscience on August 02, 2019, 07:08:38 PM
When will RE Community Accept Defeat?

Both the coastlines of Atlantic and Pacific are at 0' Sea level and both are 3,962 miles from Earths alleged center.
The distance between Oceans with the Panama Canal in-between is about 36 Miles.
The center of Panama Canal is about 18 miles from the coast on Gatun Lake and is 85’ above each Ocean shoreline.
The drop in curvature at 18 miles is 216’.  That places Earth’s curvature at 216’ (3962 miles from center of Earth) feet above each coastline at center.
That also places Gatun Lake 131’ below Earths alleged 3962 mile radius marker.
That means if Earth were a Globe, the Panama Canal could not exist because Gatun Lake would be under 131’ of sea water at 18 miles from the Coast. The Canal exists because water does not curve.

It’s that simple, we won. We really never lost. Earth Remains a flat Plane with mountains, hills and valleys and sea level bodies of water.

But the real question is, when is the Globe community going to accept defeat?

NASA can't help them, fake pictures and fake moon landings cannot rescue them. 

No argument they have is going to magically make the oceans curve and flood the Panama Canal, no matter what they say or do.  It’s not going to happen.  After reading this if one continues to defend a Globe Earth theory, they are just professional deniers who really don’t care for truth.

(https://i.imgur.com/soROEsV.jpg)

Hey, I just registered here and followed this discussion.. there is one simple point you are missing:

The 216' that you describe are just the height that is hidden behind the curvature FROM SIGHT.. just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's under water like Atlantis..

It's a shame, your knowledge of this is so little..
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 02, 2019, 07:53:32 PM
If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump.
But on a sphere of 12740 km diameter just how much should the horizon curve from center left to right? That is the  important question.

And even Red Bull's 39 km is only 0.3% of the diameter of the earth so you tell us just how much.
You say "but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’ plus and the Red bull Jump".

Can you honestly claim to see enough of the horizon in you Felix Baumgartner's photo to claim that the horizon is flat?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/15buep9n14btb2s/Plat%20Terra%20-%20Red%20Bull%20-%20crop.jpg?dl=1)
Of course you can't!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 07:59:39 PM
I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius.
Expressing the same lie in another way wont help you.
The curvature of Earth has been verified, countless times.

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean.
No, they see a circle, which goes all around.
If they use an accurate measuring device, they see that this circle is below them, with an angle of dip as expected for a RE.

There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space.
Except the horizon, and the behaviour of the horizon and objects near it, and the apparent motion of stars.
And then there are plenty of instruments for accurately measuring it.
You not liking that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

What there is nothing of is any indication that Earth is a flat, motionless plane.

You do realize there is 16' drop in curvature at 5 miles?
And how high was the camera?

What you actually need to do is use the height of the camera to determine the distance to the horizon, and then use the remaining distance to determine how much should be hidden.

And do you see how much of the shoreline view is blocked?
In which image?
Is the first image the one without distortion, with the shoreline visible, and then the second one has atmospheric effects obscuring the horizon?
Or is the second image the one without significant distortion, with the first one allowing more to be visible due to refraction?

I learned it through observation while driving over hilly roads.
So you assumed it based upon incomplete observations.
You can't use examples of mirages occurring in one location to conclude they can't form in another.
Nor can you use the simple absence of them in one location to confirm that they can't form there.



Even on a infinite Plane we can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.  If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump. What does he see out the opened hatch?

(https://i.imgur.com/KRef3Fw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)


You do realize that the earth is huge.

If you were the size of a grain of sand, the earth's circumference would still be over 13 miles.

No, your Earth is little. You do realize the Globe Community believes a row boat allegedly goes over a curve just 3 miles out, right? And yet you claim it's huge. That make no sense. There is a 6' drop in curvature just 6 miles away and 216' just 18 miles out on your little 3959 mile radius Earth.

It looks flat and huge because it is. Observation is always good science.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 08:15:10 PM
If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump.
But on a sphere of 12740 km diameter just how much should the horizon curve from center left to right? That is the  important question.

And even Red Bull's 39 km is only 0.3% of the diameter of the earth so you tell us just how much.
You say "but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’ plus and the Red bull Jump".

Can you honestly claim to see enough of the horizon in you Felix Baumgartner's photo to claim that the horizon is flat?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/15buep9n14btb2s/Plat%20Terra%20-%20Red%20Bull%20-%20crop.jpg?dl=1)
Of course you can't!
 
Compared with the other photo I posted with it, yes. And did you notice the horizon Felix sees is at eye level?

(https://i.imgur.com/TXOO6zo.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 08:19:48 PM

However, you can't actually measure and verify the distance from Miami to Manhattan on a flat earth? Why not?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 02, 2019, 08:43:24 PM

We do realize that the earth is huge.

If you were the size of a grain of sand, the earth's circumference would still be over 13 miles.
No, your Earth is little. You do realize the Globe Community believes a row boat allegedly goes over a curve just 3 miles out, right?
At 3 miles the row boat would be on the horizon. Would you care to show that it wouldn't be?
By 5 miles it would be pretty much hidden but also very very small.

Quote from: Plat Terra
And yet you claim it's huge. That make no sense. There is a 6' drop in curvature just 6 miles away and 216' just 18 miles out on your little 3959 mile radius Earth.
Yes it is huge and it makes perfect sense but you seem to have no sense of proportion! A 6' drop in 6 miles is only 0.019%!

Quote from: Plat Terra
It looks flat and huge because it is. Observation is always good science.
The horizon looks flat and huge because that is exactly as it should look on the Globe - how long before you can accept that simple fact?

Exactly like this:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/0thzfx6itaxum1w/Scarborough%20Beacon%2050%20mm%20lens%20-%20cropped.jpg?dl=1)

The above photo was taken from about 2 m above water level and just left of centre there is a navigation beacon that is 2.6 km away.

If the earth were flat why is there no water visible past that beacon? Here is that beacon from a lower height and with a long telephoto lens:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/abvtouhbm0c2pg4/Scarborough%20Beacon%20on%20Horizon%20-%20str.JPG?dl=1)
Scarborough from 50 cm above water, Beacon 2.6 km away on Horizon
I took that photo and I know for certain that the navigation beacon in  photos is only 2.6 km from the beach.

And there's no sign of any mirage there!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 02, 2019, 08:55:39 PM
There is a 6' drop in curvature just 6 miles away and 216' just 18 miles
Stop dishonestly switching units.
How about we do it with the same units?
There is a 6 archaic unit drop in curvature over a distance of 31680 archaic units. As a percentage that is 0.02 %.
That is tiny.
Over a much large distance of 95040 archaic units there is only a drop of 216 archaic units. That is 0.2 %
Again, THAT IS TINY.

It looks flat and huge because it is. Observation is always good science.
No, the horizon is flat, as you would expect for a RE, but the Earth itself is not and does not look flat.

Observation is a key part of good science. Ignoring observations which show you are wrong is not. Dismissing them as fake is not.

Compared with the other photo I posted with it, yes. And did you notice the horizon Felix sees is at eye level?
Based upon what?
I see a line in a photo, with no indication of what angle the camera was pointed out.
Claiming it is at eye level is an outright lie.
Plenty of experiments have shown the horizon is not at eye level.
Here is a nice simple picture showing that, with an explanation of the apparatus:
(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/water-level-horizon.jpg)

If you would like to present some evidence that the horizon is always at eye level instead of the repeatedly observed below eye level, go ahead.
Just note that a picture without any reference doesn't help at all.
Is Polaris at eye level because it is in the centre?
(http://en.es-static.us/upl/2016/05/polaris-2-15-2013-Ken-Christison-NC-sq-e1495561020753.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 02, 2019, 10:09:18 PM

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No, your Earth is little. You do realize the Globe Community believes a row boat allegedly goes over a curve just 3 miles out, right? And yet you claim it's huge. That make no sense. There is a 6' drop in curvature just 6 miles away and 216' just 18 miles out on your little 3959 mile radius Earth.

It looks flat and huge because it is. Observation is always good science.
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Mate, a row boat does go over the curve just 3 miles away. That's a fact. You are little, the row boat is little, and the distance to noticing the curve is little. You always notice the effect of the curve because earth is curved, and Earth is huge compared to us.

You're right that observation is always good science. You should practice what you preach.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 11:09:33 PM


No, your Earth is little. You do realize the Globe Community believes a row boat allegedly goes over a curve just 3 miles out, right? And yet you claim it's huge. That make no sense. There is a 6' drop in curvature just 6 miles away and 216' just 18 miles out on your little 3959 mile radius Earth.

It looks flat and huge because it is. Observation is always good science.
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Mate, a row boat does go over the curve just 3 miles away. That's a fact. You are little, the row boat is little, and the distance to noticing the curve is little. You always notice the effect of the curve because earth is curved, and Earth is huge compared to us.

You're right that observation is always good science. You should practice what you preach.
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You can paint it in any way that makes you feel better. The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth. Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 11:29:38 PM


No, your Earth is little. You do realize the Globe Community believes a row boat allegedly goes over a curve just 3 miles out, right? And yet you claim it's huge. That make no sense. There is a 6' drop in curvature just 6 miles away and 216' just 18 miles out on your little 3959 mile radius Earth.

It looks flat and huge because it is. Observation is always good science.

Mate, a row boat does go over the curve just 3 miles away. That's a fact. You are little, the row boat is little, and the distance to noticing the curve is little. You always notice the effect of the curve because earth is curved, and Earth is huge compared to us.

You're right that observation is always good science. You should practice what you preach.
[/quote]

You can paint it in any way that makes you feel better. The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth. Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
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This just kind of keeps getting better and better...

So, how far is it from say San Francisco to Boston?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 02, 2019, 11:41:06 PM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth.
No it's not!
The west to east width of the contiguous United States is 2,680 miles (4,313 km) and the (average) radius of the earth is 3959 miles (6,371 km).
Your ignorance of well known facts is so typical of flat-earthers.

By the way what is the width of your flat earth and what is the path of your sun?

Quote from: Plat Terra
Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Sure, it's a phrase recognising that Global air travel makes the earth seem much smaller than it used to. What of it?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 02, 2019, 11:47:53 PM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth. Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Citation needed (and clarification). Do you mean the great circle route going from the furthest east territory to the furthest west?

I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
Good advice. Have you tried to follow it?

Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed
I can clearly see the lies you are feeding.
I need very little time to see that.
Your latest pic is yet another blatant misrepresentation.

Flooding on a round Earth works in basically the same way as your imaginary flat Earth.

And thanks for showing you are the kind of FEer that believes this nonsense:
(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)
Even though you rejected that.
Unless you are knowingly lying to everyone and intentionally presenting falsehoods.

The drop due to curvature doesn't make it below level. It is following level, so it doesn't mean water would magically flow.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 02, 2019, 11:51:27 PM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth.
No it's not!
The west to east width of the contiguous United States is 2,680 miles (4,313 km) and the (average) radius of the earth is 3959 miles (6,371 km).
Your ignorance of well known facts is so typical of flat-earthers.

By the way what is the width of your flat earth and what is the path of your sun?

Quote from: Plat Terra
Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Sure, it's a phrase recognising that Global air travel makes the earth seem much smaller than it used to. What of it?

Well, sue me for a typo. I meant its twice as long as the united States. You just like to complain when you can.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 11:52:56 PM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth.
No it's not!
The west to east width of the contiguous United States is 2,680 miles (4,313 km) and the (average) radius of the earth is 3959 miles (6,371 km).
Your ignorance of well known facts is so typical of flat-earthers.

By the way what is the width of your flat earth and what is the path of your sun?

Quote from: Plat Terra
Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Sure, it's a phrase recognising that Global air travel makes the earth seem much smaller than it used to. What of it?

Well, sue me for a typo. I meant twice as much. You just like to complain when you can.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?

Plat,
The finer points aside, how far is it from San Francisco to Boston? Simple question. Should be simple for you to answer. If you can't answer the question, all of your memes and machinations are summarily moot. 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 02, 2019, 11:58:25 PM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth.
No it's not!
The west to east width of the contiguous United States is 2,680 miles (4,313 km) and the (average) radius of the earth is 3959 miles (6,371 km).
Your ignorance of well known facts is so typical of flat-earthers.

By the way what is the width of your flat earth and what is the path of your sun?

Quote from: Plat Terra
Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Sure, it's a phrase recognising that Global air travel makes the earth seem much smaller than it used to. What of it?

Well, sue me for a typo. I meant twice as much. You just like to complain when you can.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?

Plat,
The finer points aside, how far is it from San Francisco to Boston? Simple question. Should be simple for you to answer. If you can't answer the question, all of your memes and machinations are summarily moot.
Stash, there is no need to continue the charade. Its over for you!

How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 12:00:20 AM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth.
No it's not!
The west to east width of the contiguous United States is 2,680 miles (4,313 km) and the (average) radius of the earth is 3959 miles (6,371 km).
Your ignorance of well known facts is so typical of flat-earthers.

By the way what is the width of your flat earth and what is the path of your sun?

Quote from: Plat Terra
Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Sure, it's a phrase recognising that Global air travel makes the earth seem much smaller than it used to. What of it?

Well, sue me for a typo. I meant twice as much. You just like to complain when you can.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?

Plat,
The finer points aside, how far is it from San Francisco to Boston? Simple question. Should be simple for you to answer. If you can't answer the question, all of your memes and machinations are summarily moot.
Stash, there is no need to continue the charade. Its over for you!

How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

Stash, there is no need to continue the charade. Its over for you! It's Checkmate. BTW, how do you like my Avatar now?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 12:02:25 AM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth.
No it's not!
The west to east width of the contiguous United States is 2,680 miles (4,313 km) and the (average) radius of the earth is 3959 miles (6,371 km).
Your ignorance of well known facts is so typical of flat-earthers.

By the way what is the width of your flat earth and what is the path of your sun?

Quote from: Plat Terra
Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Sure, it's a phrase recognising that Global air travel makes the earth seem much smaller than it used to. What of it?

Well, sue me for a typo. I meant twice as much. You just like to complain when you can.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?

Plat,
The finer points aside, how far is it from San Francisco to Boston? Simple question. Should be simple for you to answer. If you can't answer the question, all of your memes and machinations are summarily moot.
Stash, there is no need to continue the charade. Its over for you!

How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

Stash, there is no need to continue the charade. Its over for you! It's Checkmate. BTW, how do you like my Avatar now?

What charade? Simple question, how far is it from San Francisco to Boston? Why are you having a hard time answering such a simple question? I can answer the question, why can't you?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 12:05:03 AM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth. Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Citation needed (and clarification). Do you mean the great circle route going from the furthest east territory to the furthest west?

I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
Good advice. Have you tried to follow it?

Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed
I can clearly see the lies you are feeding.
I need very little time to see that.
Your latest pic is yet another blatant misrepresentation.

Flooding on a round Earth works in basically the same way as your imaginary flat Earth.

And thanks for showing you are the kind of FEer that believes this nonsense:
(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)
Even though you rejected that.
Unless you are knowingly lying to everyone and intentionally presenting falsehoods.

The drop due to curvature doesn't make it below level. It is following level, so it doesn't mean water would magically flow.

I see you like to grab things from different areas to twist things.

I wonder how you will do when I get to the hoax of Gravity pulling to center of mass?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 12:10:34 AM
Well, sue me for a typo. You just like to complain when you can.
It wasn't a typo, it was a blatantly false statement.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?
It feels like you keep clinging to the same pathetic lies.
That isn't how you defeat people.

That makes me quite comfortable with my position as your inability to rationally object to it and resorting to these tactics shows it is likely a quite strong position.
The curvature has been verified countless times quantitatively and even more so qualitatively.

Do you know what hasn't been verified? That Earth is flat.

I see you like to grab things from different areas to twist things.
You mean exposing your contradictions.

You have previously stated that you accept that with a RE the water would follow the curve, but then you go post nonsense claiming that it can't flood because it should all flow downhill because of the curve.

What's wrong?
Don't you like your contradictions getting exposed?

I wonder how you will do when I get to the hoax of Gravity pulling to center of mass?
You mean the very real fact you have no rational counter to.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 12:12:04 AM
The width of the United States is more than twice as long as the radius of your alleged Globe Earth Earth. Think about that with the phrase "Is a small world".
Citation needed (and clarification). Do you mean the great circle route going from the furthest east territory to the furthest west?

I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
Good advice. Have you tried to follow it?

Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed
I can clearly see the lies you are feeding.
I need very little time to see that.
Your latest pic is yet another blatant misrepresentation.

Flooding on a round Earth works in basically the same way as your imaginary flat Earth.

And thanks for showing you are the kind of FEer that believes this nonsense:

Even though you rejected that.
Unless you are knowingly lying to everyone and intentionally presenting falsehoods.

The drop due to curvature doesn't make it below level. It is following level, so it doesn't mean water would magically flow.

I see you like to grab things from different areas to twist things.

I wonder how you will do when I get to the hoax of Gravity pulling to center of mass?

Why are you avoiding the question? We've been talking about distances and the validity and verification of such and you claim curvature has never been verified which means distances have never been verified.  You ask us for a lot of information and a lot has been given so just answer this simple question: So, to show you know a thing or two about distances and the validity of such, why don't you tell all of us how far is it from San Francisco to Boston?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 03, 2019, 12:15:44 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 12:17:46 AM
Well, sue me for a typo. You just like to complain when you can.
It wasn't a typo, it was a blatantly false statement.

Like is said, it does not matter because you are incapable of verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal, because it's not there to measure up. How does that feel?
It feels like you keep clinging to the same pathetic lies.
That isn't how you defeat people.

That makes me quite comfortable with my position as your inability to rationally object to it and resorting to these tactics shows it is likely a quite strong position.
The curvature has been verified countless times quantitatively and even more so qualitatively.

Do you know what hasn't been verified? That Earth is flat.

I see you like to grab things from different areas to twist things.
You mean exposing your contradictions.

You have previously stated that you accept that with a RE the water would follow the curve, but then you go post nonsense claiming that it can't flood because it should all flow downhill because of the curve.

What's wrong?
Don't you like your contradictions getting exposed?

I wonder how you will do when I get to the hoax of Gravity pulling to center of mass?
You mean the very real fact you have no rational counter to.
But why would it flood if it flows with the curve? Hahahaha
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 03, 2019, 12:18:09 AM
I wonder how you will do when I get to the hoax of Gravity pulling to center of mass?
Simply claim that you have no idea what you are talking about! In other words, situation normal.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 12:49:06 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?

Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere. I can't even prove Earth has curvature, and that was my challenge from the beginning and I am a puzzle solver. I am an inventor that made a machine that was thought impossible to make.  So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 12:54:30 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 12:59:55 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?

Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere. I can't even prove Earth has curvature, and that was my challenge from the beginning and I am a puzzle solver. I am an inventor that have made a machine that was thought impossible to make.  So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.

How would we expect you to prove Earth has curvature when you don't even know the distance between two cities. You're an inventor of a machine no one thought possible yet you can't determine how far one thing is from another?

For instance, how did you determine that the Panama Canal was 36 miles long? You claimed it was, but you don't know the distances between any other landmarks? Just the Canal?

It seems you are the one to accept defeat if a simple distance befuddles you. If you would like to prove otherwise and not accept defeat, then answer the very simple question posed. How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

If you can't answer the question, we will gracefully accept your defeat.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 01:09:55 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?

Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere. I can't even prove Earth has curvature, and that was my challenge from the beginning and I am a puzzle solver. I am an inventor that have made a machine that was thought impossible to make.  So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.

How would we expect you to prove Earth has curvature when you don't even know the distance between two cities. You're an inventor of a machine no one thought possible yet you can't determine how far one thing is from another?

For instance, how did you determine that the Panama Canal was 36 miles long? You claimed it was, but you don't know the distances between any other landmarks? Just the Canal?

It seems you are the one to accept defeat if a simple distance befuddles you. If you would like to prove otherwise and not accept defeat, then answer the very simple question posed. How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

If you can't answer the question, we will gracefully accept your defeat.
Paint it any way you like. I don't care.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 01:14:54 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?

Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere. I can't even prove Earth has curvature, and that was my challenge from the beginning and I am a puzzle solver. I am an inventor that have made a machine that was thought impossible to make.  So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.

How would we expect you to prove Earth has curvature when you don't even know the distance between two cities. You're an inventor of a machine no one thought possible yet you can't determine how far one thing is from another?

For instance, how did you determine that the Panama Canal was 36 miles long? You claimed it was, but you don't know the distances between any other landmarks? Just the Canal?

It seems you are the one to accept defeat if a simple distance befuddles you. If you would like to prove otherwise and not accept defeat, then answer the very simple question posed. How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

If you can't answer the question, we will gracefully accept your defeat.
Paint it any way you like. I don't care.

Your defeat is gracefully accepted.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 01:32:02 AM
It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information?
They don't need to verify it with their own measurements.
They just need to know the evidence for it.

If you expected them to have verified it all themselves, then science teachers would have to spend their entire lives going out verifying each piece of science before being able to teach and then no one would ever be a science teacher.

Do you demand the same ridiculous standards for all other aspects of science, or just the ones you reject without cause?

Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.
Stop lying.
It has already been explained repeatedly that that is not the case. Level does not always mean flat.

If you wish to assert such nonsense the burden of proof is on you to show that water in large bodies is flat, not curved.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?

I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius. And yet everyone follows it blindly, without any verification. This is why I said “you.”

Truth seekers need to know people accept the Globe Earth theory in the same manner and way as fairytales, gossip and hearsay is accepted and passed down throughout history and through agenda driven media and Elites. 

The Globe Earth theory is also accepted in the same manner as all traditions passed down through history right or wrong, such as political affiliation, membership into a club and other . It is accepted because of traditions without question.

Soon, if not all ready, you, your children  and grandchildren will believe in more than two-genders also, not because it’s true and has been verified, but because it’s the way of mainstream. You probable already believe in global warming hoax too, right?

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean. There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space. No motion, no turbulence and nothing curved at a distance.

So you better verify that surface curvature and make sure it conforms to a sphere as claimed, because your numbers are dwindling.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRL3IGv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/434Q0ok.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 01:42:46 AM
So you better verify that surface curvature and make sure it conforms to a sphere as claimed, because your numbers are dwindling.

So you better verify that you can state the distance between two points and make sure it conforms to a flat earth as claimed, because your dwindling credibility depends on it.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 03, 2019, 02:06:05 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?

Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere. I can't even prove Earth has curvature, and that was my challenge from the beginning and I am a puzzle solver. I am an inventor that have made a machine that was thought impossible to make.  So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.

How would we expect you to prove Earth has curvature when you don't even know the distance between two cities. You're an inventor of a machine no one thought possible yet you can't determine how far one thing is from another?

For instance, how did you determine that the Panama Canal was 36 miles long? You claimed it was, but you don't know the distances between any other landmarks? Just the Canal?

It seems you are the one to accept defeat if a simple distance befuddles you. If you would like to prove otherwise and not accept defeat, then answer the very simple question posed. How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

If you can't answer the question, we will gracefully accept your defeat.
Paint it any way you like. I don't care.

Which brings us to the summary of your argument. "La la la la la la I can't hear you" he says with his fingers in his ears and his eyes shut tight.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 03:08:13 AM
But why would it flood if it flows with the curve?
For the same reasons it would if Earth was flat.

I can't even prove Earth has curvature
Just because you can't doesn't mean no one can.
Plenty of people have done so, without even needing any fancy tools.

I am an inventor that made a machine that was thought impossible to make.
I am no one special.
Troll harder.

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.
That's right, we live in Earth's atmosphere.
That isn't a vacuum.

I will express it in another way.
As I said before, repeating the same lie wont help your case.
Repeating the same post as before wont help either.
Ignoring the refutation of it won't help either.

You have no case.

All you have are a collection of baseless claims and strawmen.

You have provided nothing to challenge the reality of Earth being round.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 03, 2019, 04:01:16 AM
Ughhhh.
Few points here since a whole lot of nonsense has happened overnight.

1.Units units units!.
Plata needs to go back to school and learn units.

2.When standing on a ball.
Look left, look right.
The plane of sight of the horizon is a level line because it is the same distance to your eyeball all around.
Whats not the same, is the sectional line of sight going away from you as this line folows the edge of the ball.

3.a.Your floods misconceptipn can be moved to another thread as it only gives you further chances to dodge and redirect.

3.b.Your gravity teaser is a pathetic attempt to dodgr and redirect.

4.How far is san fran to boston?
I woud like to know what stash is on about.

5.quit complaiinng about mirages and take multiple photos over multiple days and record the weather for time, dtybulb, wetbulb.   No one stopping you so quit your complaining.   Its called science.   Its called observation.    I believe your patronizingly stated it several timss now.

6.you invented something that couldnt be invented and redefined civil enginerring?   Great.   We look forward to seeing you on the cover of Times magazine.   Gtfo.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 05:41:20 AM
If we lived on a sphere the horizon would curve from center left to right, but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’plus and the Red bull Jump.
But on a sphere of 12740 km diameter just how much should the horizon curve from center left to right? That is the  important question.

And even Red Bull's 39 km is only 0.3% of the diameter of the earth so you tell us just how much.
You say "but it doesn’t even at balloon heights of 100,000’ plus and the Red bull Jump".

Can you honestly claim to see enough of the horizon in you Felix Baumgartner's photo to claim that the horizon is flat?
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/15buep9n14btb2s/Plat%20Terra%20-%20Red%20Bull%20-%20crop.jpg?dl=1)
Of course you can't!
 
Compared with the other photo I posted with it, yes. And did you notice the horizon Felix sees is at eye level?

(https://i.imgur.com/TXOO6zo.jpg)
How can you tell it is at "eye level" and not just the camera is positioned to make it look that way?  Have you done ANY tests of your own?

This guy did and showed the horizon is below eye level. You could do the same or get a theolodite app for your phone. I'm betting you won't though.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 05:54:40 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
further proof you don't understand the subject or you're just trolling. A change in elevation is NOT the same as a drop due to curvature.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 05:56:42 AM

I wonder how you will do when I get to the hoax of Gravity pulling to center of mass?
I'm betting when you do it will further show you don't understand the subject. Should be entertaining!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 05:59:36 AM
I am an inventor that made a machine that was thought impossible to make.

citation needed.

So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special
the irony of this contradiction is HILARIOUS
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 03, 2019, 06:00:44 AM
It’s proper to know that the person who is trying to teach me has verified the foundation of their belief otherwise what good is their information?
They don't need to verify it with their own measurements.
They just need to know the evidence for it.

If you expected them to have verified it all themselves, then science teachers would have to spend their entire lives going out verifying each piece of science before being able to teach and then no one would ever be a science teacher.

Do you demand the same ridiculous standards for all other aspects of science, or just the ones you reject without cause?

Two bodies of water being joined together through any form at surface or below will equalize and have the same horizontal surface and not curve at any point.
Stop lying.
It has already been explained repeatedly that that is not the case. Level does not always mean flat.

If you wish to assert such nonsense the burden of proof is on you to show that water in large bodies is flat, not curved.

Now, do you have any evidence to support your claims, or are you only capable of shifting the burden of proof and ignoring the evidence provided?

I will express it in another way.
Those who come here seeking truth need to know that no one in the Globe Community has ever verified the claim Earth has the surface curvature in relation to a 3959 mile radius. And yet everyone follows it blindly, without any verification. This is why I said “you.”

Truth seekers need to know people accept the Globe Earth theory in the same manner and way as fairytales, gossip and hearsay is accepted and passed down throughout history and through agenda driven media and Elites. 

The Globe Earth theory is also accepted in the same manner as all traditions passed down through history right or wrong, such as political affiliation, membership into a club and other . It is accepted because of traditions without question.

Soon, if not all ready, you, your children  and grandchildren will believe in more than two-genders also, not because it’s true and has been verified, but because it’s the way of mainstream. You probable already believe in global warming hoax too, right?

Yes, anyone can look a large body of water such as a ocean and see a curve? No, they see a horizontal (flat straight) line where sky meets ocean. There is nothing in our natural surroundings reveal Earth is a sphere spinning 1000 MPH and hurling through space. No motion, no turbulence and nothing curved at a distance.

So you better verify that surface curvature and make sure it conforms to a sphere as claimed, because your numbers are dwindling.

(https://i.imgur.com/mRL3IGv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/434Q0ok.jpg)

Lol! Anyone can look out over the ocean and potentially see the effect of the curve with ships for example,  disappearing bottom first (the way you would expect on a spherical planet).

The movement of the sun, moon, and stars are in our natural environment and reveal the earth is spinning 1000mph. Earths seasons are also part of our natural environment and reveal our planet is hurtling through space in it's eliptical orbit around the sun.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe you don't believe in Santa, the tooth fairy, or the Easter bunny.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 03, 2019, 06:02:09 AM
So, If I can't prove curvature no one can.
Don't we love ourselves! Chronic case of the dreaded Dunning-Kruger Syndrome noted!

Quote from: Plat Terra
It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 
You seem a classic case of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".
You will find that there's far more to "proving the flat" than a few mistaken "thought experiments".
In addition you must come up with a workable "flat earth model" that explains all the observations we can make on the earth and by astronomy.

I've tried to spell put a few but you dismiss all out-of-hand.

Quote from: Plat Terra
BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.
I didn't say that we did but there are plenty of large and small vacuum chambers good enough to test this sort of thing.
BTW In case it crops up:
          Neither density nor relative density can, on their own, cause forces and neither has direction
          but gravity does cause forces and gravity does have direction.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 03, 2019, 06:13:45 AM
Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere.
Sorry, but that is what gravitation has done with the Sun, Earth, all the other planets and the minor planets - it has made them all almost spherical.

And the ellipticit depends on their mass and how fast the spin.

But how many times must you be told that your topic is "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
That will not happen until you have a flat earth model the fits all observations on earth and in the sky - the paths of the Sun, moon and other planets.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 03, 2019, 07:14:11 AM
I am an inventor that made a machine that was thought impossible to make.

citation needed.

So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special
the irony of this contradiction is HILARIOUS

Haha
Ya i think one of jackBs common come backs is "just because you dont understand it, doesnt mean its false" (paraphrase).
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 08:29:40 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 03, 2019, 08:39:04 AM
lots of memes

RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable. If you want to replace with something else, start by producing an alternative model that works and is at least as good as the RE model in explaining and predicting the real world.

The infinite plane model of yours just doesn't work, you have nothing to back it, you have provided nothing, just a few memes and some unintended humor.

You pretend to delete centuries of scientific progress and replace it with absolutely nothing, just some sort of religious fundamentalism. Sorry but that doesn't work.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 09:04:21 AM
lots of memes

RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable. If you want to replace with something else, start by producing an alternative model that works and is at least as good as the RE model in explaining and predicting the real world.

The infinite plane model of yours just doesn't work, you have nothing to back it, you have provided nothing, just a few memes and some unintended humor.

You pretend to delete centuries of scientific progress and replace it with absolutely nothing, just some sort of religious fundamentalism. Sorry but that doesn't work.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

I am not deleting any part of history that matters. In-fact, history is on my side.

(https://i.imgur.com/mhd6Odo.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 03, 2019, 09:14:07 AM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 09:19:29 AM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.

You wrote: RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

Verify it please....?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 03, 2019, 10:01:56 AM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.

You wrote: RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

Verify it please....?

I thought you don't believe in videos, but I have something much better than a video. A livestream of the earth from space:

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html

As you can see the earth is not losing any water.

Now your turn, what do you have?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 10:30:11 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 03, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
RE community will accept defeat when the Earth some day really becomes flat.
Considering the observations, measurements, laws of physics, facts and figures, it is highly unlikely that it will happen in any near or far future.

But these things are not about "victory" and "defeat".

When we stand on the surface the line going along the horizon all around us looks flat because the drop is equal and too small wherever you look.
But any line going on the surface from observer towards the horizon and beyond is clearly curving downwards and after the horizon can't be seen any more.
If the Earth was flat that line would be visible for much farther than now.

Now, how high you have to be to see the horizon curved (if we exclude refraction)?
From an altitude of 1.8 m the distance to horizon is 4.8 km.
The circumference of the horizon is 30.16 km.
If we assume the viewing angle of 60 degrees, then the observed part of the horizon is an arc of approx. 5.026 km with cord of 4.8 km.
This arc has height of 643 m.
From the distance of 4800 meters and altitude of 1.8 meters that height is seen under the angle of 0.0221 degrees.
It is 89.9779 degrees away from the perpendicular view.
Cosine of 89.9779 degrees is 0.000386 and those 643 meters look like 0.248 meters (say 0.25).

The bulge of 25 centimeters surely can not be visible on the line 4800 meters long.
Take a high resolution photo of such horizon, make it 4800 pixels wide, and the curvature would have to be one quarter of a pixel.

On a Flat Earth horizon would seem flat as well, but surely not just 4.8 kilometers away from observer.

So, from 1.8 meters we can't see the curve.
Can we see it from 10 000 meters?

Horizon distance is 357 km, circumference 2243 km, 60 degrees arc length is 374 km, arc width 357 km.
Arc height 47.83 km, seen under the angle of 88.4 degrees away from perpendicular view, appears like 1.33 km.

3 x 357 = 1071
3 x 1.33 = 4.
So, if we make image 1071 piels wide, the bulge would be 4 pixels.
Probably not enough to see with naked eye, but if we keep the height and compress the width, the bulge will be visible.

Like in the image below.

The left wide part is 1071 pixels wide image of a dawn from 10 000 meters. Looks pretty flat.
The right, narrow part is the same image compressed horizontally to 5% of the original width.
You can see how the middle of the horizon bulges just a bit.

(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/xdcd3V.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 11:04:31 AM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.

You wrote: RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

Verify it please....?

You could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derived them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to take any of your claims as grounded, responsible, let alone credible.

Verify these distances you cite please....?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
No, it's not about elevation change. It's about water flowing near or at a Globe Earth's (sea curve) circumference. My post is not about elevation. Have another look.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 03, 2019, 11:12:33 AM
NASA claims the ISS orbits the Earth once every 90 minutes and experiences a sunrise or a sunset about every 45 minutes. But in the following video Earth makes several rotations during a time-lapse Sunrise and Sunset, but it’s really a Sunset to Sunrise.

Another fishy thing about this video is the ISS never passes between Earth and Sun during the time-lapse video. It’s as if it stopped in mid orbit to take a video of a moving Sun.

It makes me wonder if the video was taken from some type of high altitude stationary equipment and what we are actually seeing is a Flat Earth Sun rotating clockwise over a CGI implemented rotating Earth.  Interesting to watch and think about.



Moving on to the ISS and 'fake NASA'. Great. Yes, that's exactly what you see - a video was taken from some type of high altitude stationary equipment and what we are actually seeing is a Flat Earth Sun rotating clockwise over a CGI implemented rotating Earth. All perpetrated by the Illuminati to benefit  those of us who are high ranking in the Masonic lodge. Well done, you've exposed us.

Now, back to the matter at hand and quit deflecting and evading:

How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derived them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to take any of your claims as grounded, responsible, let alone credible.

Verify these distances you cite please....?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on August 03, 2019, 11:15:54 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.
https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg
You don't seem to understand that 3 miles away, where the surface has curved away 6", that it is still the same elevation as where you are standing.  At 6 miles where it was curved away 24".... still the same elevation. 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 11:17:42 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
No, it's not about elevation change. It's about water flowing near or at a Globe Earth's (sea curve) circumference. My post is not about elevation. Have another look.
And now you further prove you don't even read replies. I KNOW your post is not about elevation. It is about YOU not understanding the subject and equating a drop due to curvature as somehow a downhill in every direction. That is why I assume you have to be trolling because understanding the subject this wrongly HAS to be on purpose. That and your gish gallop onto ever more topics and not addressing your previous failings.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.

You wrote: RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

Verify it please....?

I thought you don't believe in videos, but I have something much better than a video. A livestream of the earth from space:

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html

As you can see the earth is not losing any water.

Now your turn, what do you have?

NASA claims the ISS orbits the Earth once every 90 minutes and experiences a sunrise or a sunset about every 45 minutes. But in the following video Earth makes several rotations during a time-lapse Sunrise and Sunset, but it’s really a Sunset to Sunrise.

Another fishy thing about this video is the ISS never passes between Earth and Sun during the time-lapse video. It’s as if it stopped in mid orbit to take a video of a moving Sun.

It makes me wonder if the video was taken from some type of high altitude stationary equipment and what we are actually seeing is a Flat Earth Sun rotating clockwise over a CGI implemented rotating Earth.  Interesting to watch and think about.


Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 11:41:26 AM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
No, it's not about elevation change. It's about water flowing near or at a Globe Earth's (sea curve) circumference. My post is not about elevation. Have another look.
And now you further prove you don't even read replies. I KNOW your post is not about elevation. It is about YOU not understanding the subject and equating a drop due to curvature as somehow a downhill in every direction. That is why I assume you have to be trolling because understanding the subject this wrongly HAS to be on purpose. That and your gish gallop onto ever more topics and not addressing your previous failings.


But it is down hill in all directions at the surface (circumference) of a sphere. I am stating a fact. Your welcome to show me in a video how you can flood the surface of a ball. Other areas on a sphere with greater elevation, valleys and hills would flood. But not at or near sea curve and with an ocean just a few miles away.

(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 03, 2019, 12:11:34 PM
So you demand a video of a ball, with the mass of the Earth, flooded with water? You were just shown that!

Do you really think a tennis ball on a kitchen counter is a realistic analog for showing how gravity acts on a sphere??

Also, the surface of the globe is NOT "downhill in all directions", that is simply preposterous. Gravity attracts towards the center of a body of mass. In this case, the center of the Earth. Anywhere you stand on the Earth, "level" is perpendicular to a line passing through that center of mass.

Please tell me you don't actually believe these memes you present!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 03, 2019, 12:41:49 PM
Plats, I hate to be personal, but may I ask, "How old are you?" No offence, but you don't seem to have lived on Earth quite as long as some of the other posters in this thread.

All your arguments, which you think are fantastic, are all straight from YouTube presentations. All of those direct to YouTube presentations, have been debunked.

The "water won't stick to a spinning basketball" argument is so monumentally backwards it beggars belief.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 03, 2019, 12:51:00 PM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.

You wrote: RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

Verify it please....?

I thought you don't believe in videos, but I have something much better than a video. A livestream of the earth from space:

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html

As you can see the earth is not losing any water.

Now your turn, what do you have?

NASA claims the ISS orbits the Earth once every 90 minutes and experiences a sunrise or a sunset about every 45 minutes. But in the following video Earth makes several rotations during a time-lapse Sunrise and Sunset, but it’s really a Sunset to Sunrise.

Another fishy thing about this video is the ISS never passes between Earth and Sun during the time-lapse video. It’s as if it stopped in mid orbit to take a video of a moving Sun.

It makes me wonder if the video was taken from some type of high altitude stationary equipment and what we are actually seeing is a Flat Earth Sun rotating clockwise over a CGI implemented rotating Earth.  Interesting to watch and think about.



I hope you are not thinking that the ISS is hanging from a pole. Here's a description of the video you posted:

Sunrise and Sunset around Summer Solstice
This video was taken by the crew of Expedition 31 on board the International Space Station. The sequence of shots was taken from June 6, 2012 from 04:42:11 to 05:41:16 GMT, on a pass from the Southern Ocean, south of Tasmania, to western Africa, over northern Mali. During this video, the ISS makes an almost complete orbit around the Earth while pointing the camera towards the Northern Hemisphere around the Summer Solstice. Throughout this pass, the sun begins to set througth the solar panels on the ISS and barely touches the edge of the Earth before it begins to rise again. During the Summer Solstice in the Northern Hemisphere, latitudes above approximately 67 degrees receive 24 hours of daylight.


Now how about you also answer some questions? Did you find out what's the distance between Boston  and San Francisco yet? Care to explain how did you verify the infinite plane? A sneak peek at ice wall perhaps?

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 03, 2019, 01:08:33 PM
lots of memes

RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable. If you want to replace with something else, start by producing an alternative model that works and is at least as good as the RE model in explaining and predicting the real world.

The infinite plane model of yours just doesn't work, you have nothing to back it, you have provided nothing, just a few memes and some unintended humor.

You pretend to delete centuries of scientific progress and replace it with absolutely nothing, just some sort of religious fundamentalism. Sorry but that doesn't work.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

I am not deleting any part of history that matters. In-fact, history is on my side.

(https://i.imgur.com/mhd6Odo.jpg)

Correct.
Working model.
Try and keep up.
Youre currently how many extinct civs behind?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
No, it's not about elevation change. It's about water flowing near or at a Globe Earth's (sea curve) circumference. My post is not about elevation. Have another look.
And now you further prove you don't even read replies. I KNOW your post is not about elevation. It is about YOU not understanding the subject and equating a drop due to curvature as somehow a downhill in every direction. That is why I assume you have to be trolling because understanding the subject this wrongly HAS to be on purpose. That and your gish gallop onto ever more topics and not addressing your previous failings.


But it is down hill in all directions at the surface (circumference) of a sphere. I am stating a fact. Your welcome to show me in a video how you can flood the surface of a ball. Other areas on a sphere with greater elevation, valleys and hills would flood. But not at or near sea curve and with an ocean just a few miles away.

(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)
And there you go proving you don't understand the subject again. Down is toward the center. As for your picture with Louisiana, much of it is below or at sea level. Flooding occurs when a large storm temporarily rises that level.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 03:13:10 PM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things
How about you stop acting like a broken record and try bringing up something new, or actually substantiating your claims.

So far all you have done is show you have not obtained any evidence of Earth's curvature yourself and are willing to blatantly misrepresent what the RE position is and what REers claim.

You haven't even begun to defeat the RE model of the Earth.

As I said before, you already accepted that for a RE, the water level would follow the curve.
That "drop" you are appealing to is the curve, so the water wouldn't flow towards that drop.
So you have already rejected the argument you present.
So why present it?
Do you just want to show everyone that you do not care about honestly presenting the RE model and instead you are happy to use whatever lies you can to try and pretend there is a problem?

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins?
A model doesn't need to be physical.
Any physical model of a RE, which would behave with the same laws of physics would need to be in free fall outside the Roche limit of any more significant body.

That means a small ball being held on Earth CANNOT be an accurate physical model of Earth.

We have a model based upon the laws of physics which explains how things work on a RE.
You can put various things in and get things out.
For example, you can put in a location and time, and get the apparent position to celestial objects.
You can put in 2 different locations and find the distance between them.
We can explain why water sticks to Earth.
And so on.

I am not deleting any part of history that matters. In-fact, history is on my side.
That's religion you are appealing to, not history.

But in the following video Earth makes several rotations during a time-lapse Sunrise and Sunset, but it’s really a Sunset to Sunrise.
That is just another baseless claim of yours.
How are you determining ho many times Earth rotates during this timelapse?

Another fishy thing about this video is the ISS never passes between Earth and Sun during the time-lapse video.
You mean it doesn't show a full day and doesn't have the ISS pass below the sun.
Who cares?
There is nothing fishy about that.

But it is down hill in all directions at the surface (circumference) of a sphere. I am stating a fact.
No, you are stating a blatant lie, as you already accepted.
Downhill means going to a lower elevation, not simply following the curve.
The "drop" you refer to is following the curve, not going to a lower elevation.
Going sideways and following the curve is not going downhill.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 03, 2019, 03:59:22 PM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
No, it's not about elevation change. It's about water flowing near or at a Globe Earth's (sea curve) circumference. My post is not about elevation. Have another look.
And now you further prove you don't even read replies. I KNOW your post is not about elevation. It is about YOU not understanding the subject and equating a drop due to curvature as somehow a downhill in every direction. That is why I assume you have to be trolling because understanding the subject this wrongly HAS to be on purpose. That and your gish gallop onto ever more topics and not addressing your previous failings.


But it is down hill in all directions at the surface (circumference) of a sphere. I am stating a fact. Your welcome to show me in a video how you can flood the surface of a ball. Other areas on a sphere with greater elevation, valleys and hills would flood. But not at or near sea curve and with an ocean just a few miles away.

(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)
And there you go proving you don't understand the subject again. Down is toward the center. As for your picture with Louisiana, much of it is below or at sea level. Flooding occurs when a large storm temporarily rises that level.

Platas next meme will be how the nile cant flow north.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 03, 2019, 04:26:02 PM
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things. Take some time and use your imagination to see the lie you have been feed through media and the deceitful government’s agenda.

(https://i.imgur.com/JrIwl9h.jpg)
Still only proves you don't understand the subject just like the last time you posted this. Elevation change is NOT the same as drop due to curvature. Admit it, you're just trolling now, right?
No, it's not about elevation change. It's about water flowing near or at a Globe Earth's (sea curve) circumference. My post is not about elevation. Have another look.
And now you further prove you don't even read replies. I KNOW your post is not about elevation. It is about YOU not understanding the subject and equating a drop due to curvature as somehow a downhill in every direction. That is why I assume you have to be trolling because understanding the subject this wrongly HAS to be on purpose. That and your gish gallop onto ever more topics and not addressing your previous failings.


But it is down hill in all directions at the surface (circumference) of a sphere. I am stating a fact. Your welcome to show me in a video how you can flood the surface of a ball. Other areas on a sphere with greater elevation, valleys and hills would flood. But not at or near sea curve and with an ocean just a few miles away.

(https://i.imgur.com/M41vfLz.jpg)
And there you go proving you don't understand the subject again. Down is toward the center. As for your picture with Louisiana, much of it is below or at sea level. Flooding occurs when a large storm temporarily rises that level.

Platas next meme will be how the nile cant flow north.
He already alluded to it at least once before.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 05:13:44 PM
You can't flood any part of a spherical landmass that’s near or at Sea Curve if it adjoins an Ocean
Why not?
Would you be able to flood any part of a flat landmass that's near or at the sea flat if it adjoins an ocean?

Like I said, the exact same issues would arise for a FE and a RE.
The only way in which RE is different is the curvature, which would have no impact on the water level and thus it is either extremely dishonest or extremely ignorant to bring it up as part of your argument, especially as you have already refuted it.

All you need to flood it is for more water to be going there than will leave.

I know this might surprise you, but water doesn't instantly find its level.
It takes time.

If it did it instantly, there would be no rivers, as all the water would have instantly run out.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 05:23:17 PM
You can't flood any part of a spherical landmass that’s near or at Sea Curve if it adjoins an Ocean, unless you encircle a retaining wall before the flood begins. Please don’t be mad at me for another hole found in the Globe Earth model. It’s just common sense.

(https://i.imgur.com/5H27KhV.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 05:38:50 PM

You can't flood any part of a spherical landmass that’s near or at Sea Curve if it adjoins an Ocean
Why not?
Would you be able to flood any part of a flat landmass that's near or at the sea flat if it adjoins an ocean?

Like I said, the exact same issues would arise for a FE and a RE.
The only way in which RE is different is the curvature, which would have no impact on the water level and thus it is either extremely dishonest or extremely ignorant to bring it up as part of your argument, especially as you have already refuted it.

All you need to flood it is for more water to be going there than will leave.

I know this might surprise you, but water doesn't instantly find its level.
It takes time.

If it did it instantly, there would be no rivers, as all the water would have instantly run out.
I really don't have time to give a common sense lesson.

Your theoretical Earth does not fit this current world. That's a major problem for the Globe Community. Of course flooding as described is going to be different between worlds. One has a plane surface and the other a spherical surface.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 06:49:12 PM
I really don't have time to give a common sense lesson.
You sure seem to have plenty of time to repeat the same nonsense.
It think the problem is that you lack the common sense needed to give such a lesson.

Your theoretical Earth does not fit this current world.
You are yet to provide a single instance of it not fitting.
That is a problem for the FE community, not the real earth community.

Of course flooding as described is going to be different between worlds. One has a plane surface and the other a spherical surface.
The only difference is in the shape of the surface.
For a hypothetical flat planet, you have water wanting to adopt a flat surface and elevation measured relative to this flat surface.
If water is on land near the ocean with a slight elevation above the flat surface it will want to run down into the ocean, preventing flooding. But if more water is coming in than can run off, it will still flood.
For a hypothetical (or real) round planet, you have water wanting to adopt a round surface and elevation measured relative to this round surface.
If water is on land near the ocean with a slight elevation above the flat surface it will want to run down into the ocean, preventing flooding. But if more water is coming in than can run off, it will still flood.

Notice how other than the shape of the surface that the water wants to adopt, it is exactly the same.
Simple common sense.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 07:26:37 PM
I really don't have time to give a common sense lesson.
You sure seem to have plenty of time to repeat the same nonsense.
It think the problem is that you lack the common sense needed to give such a lesson.

Your theoretical Earth does not fit this current world.
You are yet to provide a single instance of it not fitting.
That is a problem for the FE community, not the real earth community.

Of course flooding as described is going to be different between worlds. One has a plane surface and the other a spherical surface.
The only difference is in the shape of the surface.
For a hypothetical flat planet, you have water wanting to adopt a flat surface and elevation measured relative to this flat surface.
If water is on land near the ocean with a slight elevation above the flat surface it will want to run down into the ocean, preventing flooding. But if more water is coming in than can run off, it will still flood.
For a hypothetical (or real) round planet, you have water wanting to adopt a round surface and elevation measured relative to this round surface.
If water is on land near the ocean with a slight elevation above the flat surface it will want to run down into the ocean, preventing flooding. But if more water is coming in than can run off, it will still flood.

Notice how other than the shape of the surface that the water wants to adopt, it is exactly the same.
Simple common sense.

The Coastal regions on this Earth at, near or below sea level flood because of depression. It's really that simply. Your theory does not allow coastal depression because of a imaginary radius.

It floods because there is no spherical shape to the land.

Have a nice evening!

(https://i.imgur.com/5H27KhV.jpg)

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 07:56:11 PM
The Coastal regions on this Earth at, near or below sea level flood because of depression. It's really that simply. Your theory does not allow coastal depression because of a imaginary radius.
Just why would a round Earth prevent a depression?
No one is claiming Earth is a perfect sphere.
Again, the 2 work the same, the only difference is the overall shape.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 08:08:03 PM
The Coastal regions on this Earth at, near or below sea level flood because of depression. It's really that simply. Your theory does not allow coastal depression because of a imaginary radius.
Just why would a round Earth prevent a depression?
No one is claiming Earth is a perfect sphere.
Again, the 2 work the same, the only difference is the overall shape.
Your beloved Gravity, and if you have depression near the coast it would all be under the Oceans curve, because it's below the grade. You can't logically claim both depressed and curved coastal areas and shorelines.  Your Globe model is shrinking in blunders one right after another.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 09:18:24 PM
Your beloved Gravity, and if you have depression near the coast it would all be under the Oceans curve, because it's below the grade. You can't logically claim both depressed and curved coastal areas and shorelines.  Your Globe model is shrinking in blunders one right after another.
It is quite simple:
In general (i.e. when you ignore the variations) Earth's surface is an oblate spheroid.
However at the small scale (compared to Earth) there are variations in the surface features. Some regions will be higher than the oblate spheroid, others will be lower.

There is no problem with that.

What you are saying now is akin to someone saying Earth can't be flat because there are mountains. You can't have Earth be both flat and with mountains.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 09:31:25 PM
Your beloved Gravity, and if you have depression near the coast it would all be under the Oceans curve, because it's below the grade. You can't logically claim both depressed and curved coastal areas and shorelines.  Your Globe model is shrinking in blunders one right after another.
It is quite simple:
In general (i.e. when you ignore the variations) Earth's surface is an oblate spheroid.
However at the small scale (compared to Earth) there are variations in the surface features. Some regions will be higher than the oblate spheroid, others will be lower.

There is no problem with that.

What you are saying now is akin to someone saying Earth can't be flat because there are mountains. You can't have Earth be both flat and with mountains.
Not at the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve.

Your oblate spheroid won't have depressions in the bulge areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve or in the higher areas. It will all be curved. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the Globe theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 03, 2019, 10:09:20 PM
Your beloved Gravity, and if you have depression near the coast it would all be under the Oceans curve, because it's below the grade. You can't logically claim both depressed and curved coastal areas and shorelines.  Your Globe model is shrinking in blunders one right after another.
It is quite simple:
In general (i.e. when you ignore the variations) Earth's surface is an oblate spheroid.
However at the small scale (compared to Earth) there are variations in the surface features. Some regions will be higher than the oblate spheroid, others will be lower.

There is no problem with that.

What you are saying now is akin to someone saying Earth can't be flat because there are mountains. You can't have Earth be both flat and with mountains.

Not at the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve.

Your oblate spheroid won't have depressions in the bulge areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve or in the higher areas. It will all be curved. But' that's not the case is it? 

And the ocean will not flow into any depression near the sea-shore unless that depression is below sea-level and sea-level follows the curve.

I fail to see any problem. Please explain, with a diagram if need be.

Quote from: Plat Terra

That's even more of a problem for the Globe theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.
Nope! Just another of the now numerous parts of "Globe theory" that you seem unable to grasp.
Yes, I agree that the hole you are digging yourself "just keeps getting bigger".
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 03, 2019, 10:16:28 PM
Oh dam he got us.
Plata got us all.
How can a round earth have fkat or depressed regoins of land.
We re all stumped.

Buuut... as per jackBs keen insight - a flat earth would have the same problems.
What would a flat problem be?
Do mountains exist?
How could mountains and valleys exist on a supoosed flat plane?
By definition - its flat!
Golly gee
Now we have NO model.

Back to ths torus everyone.




If plata wont seriously debate.
Do i need to?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 03, 2019, 11:04:35 PM
Your beloved Gravity, and if you have depression near the coast it would all be under the Oceans curve, because it's below the grade. You can't logically claim both depressed and curved coastal areas and shorelines.  Your Globe model is shrinking in blunders one right after another.

Depressions have to do with the roughness of the earth's spherical surface. Water naturally flows towards the lower areas of the earth's spherical surface forming oceans and lakes. In a spherical earth lower means closer to the center of the earth, not what you are imagining.

I think it's very simple concept to understand. I'm not asking you to believe the earth is a sphere, since you obviously have your reasons to believe in FE, but if you are as smart as you claim you should at least be able to understand it after so many explanations.

And once again a lot of people is answering your drivel about RE, but you fail to provide any answers about your own FE model. Care to tell us how did you verify the earth is an infinite plane?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 03, 2019, 11:24:59 PM
Your oblate spheroid won't have depressions in the bulge areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve or in the higher areas. It will all be curved. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the Globe theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.
Again, that is just like saying:
Your flat earth won't have depressions in the flat areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea flat or in the higher areas. It will all be flat. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the flat theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.

Again, no one is saying Earth is perfectly round, just like no one is saying it is perfectly flat.
Depressions, i.e. regions with lower elevations, can work on both the FE and the RE. For a FE they use an imaginary flat line at sea flat for the elevation reference, for the real Earth they use an imaginary curved line at sea level for the elevation reference.

If all you can do is repeat the same non-problems then you don't have a hope of refuting RE nor making any sane REer admit defeat.

Again, where is your evidence that there is no curve?
Where is your unified FE model that can actually explain reality?
Where is your refutation to all the evidence that shows Earth is round?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 03, 2019, 11:49:54 PM
more memes

You don't think the earth is globe, you think gravity doesn't exist... that's fine really, I get that, there's people for everything.  I'm asking you what is your alternative model to RE and how did you verify it.

You could start by providing the distance between Boston and San Francisco.

You wrote: RE model is a well established model that works and is verifiable.

You have a working RE model with water that sticks to the surface as it spins? Where? Video please

Verify it please....?

I thought you don't believe in videos, but I have something much better than a video. A livestream of the earth from space:

https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html

As you can see the earth is not losing any water.

Now your turn, what do you have?


I did not express it correctly. NASA is a fraud, here is why.  There are three things viewed in the video .

1. A solar panel array
2. A spinning sphere Earth
3. A Sun.

They all three stay in the same alignment from center (seen at sunset) during the entire Sunset to Sunrise event while Earth spins many times and while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.

 NASA claims the ISS almost completed an orbit during the event. Understanding this, how is it possible for the camera to view all three, (1,2 and 3) in an alignment as expressed, if the ISS almost makes a complete orbit and the Earth rotates more than once?

One of them has to be moved out of the alignment when the ISS almost makes a complete orbit.  Which one should be moved out of the alignment, the Sun or Earth?
And, why doesn’t the Earth’s rotation match the time of a Sunset to Sunrise Event, but spins out of control?

If you nor any others here have a logical answer then  NASA is a Fraud. And learn to say Earth is Flat and NASA faked a spinning Globe Earth with stationary equipment and CGI implementation.


Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 12:21:34 AM
Your oblate spheroid won't have depressions in the bulge areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve or in the higher areas. It will all be curved. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the Globe theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.
Again, that is just like saying:
Your flat earth won't have depressions in the flat areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea flat or in the higher areas. It will all be flat. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the flat theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.

Again, no one is saying Earth is perfectly round, just like no one is saying it is perfectly flat.
Depressions, i.e. regions with lower elevations, can work on both the FE and the RE. For a FE they use an imaginary flat line at sea flat for the elevation reference, for the real Earth they use an imaginary curved line at sea level for the elevation reference.

If all you can do is repeat the same non-problems then you don't have a hope of refuting RE nor making any sane REer admit defeat.

Again, where is your evidence that there is no curve?
Where is your unified FE model that can actually explain reality?
Where is your refutation to all the evidence that shows Earth is round?

You still don't get it, southern Louisiana shorelines are horizontal and can't meet a curved Ocean. And You still can't flood a sphere. All of Southerns Louisiana is below the curve that why it floods. We haven't talked about all the horizontal shorelines on this Earth which is not possible with your theory. Horizontal shorelines can't meet a curved ocean.   You can't win, but you are a pro.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 04, 2019, 12:25:28 AM
Your oblate spheroid won't have depressions in the bulge areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve or in the higher areas. It will all be curved. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the Globe theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.
Again, that is just like saying:
Your flat earth won't have depressions in the flat areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea flat or in the higher areas. It will all be flat. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the flat theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.

Again, no one is saying Earth is perfectly round, just like no one is saying it is perfectly flat.
Depressions, i.e. regions with lower elevations, can work on both the FE and the RE. For a FE they use an imaginary flat line at sea flat for the elevation reference, for the real Earth they use an imaginary curved line at sea level for the elevation reference.

If all you can do is repeat the same non-problems then you don't have a hope of refuting RE nor making any sane REer admit defeat.

Again, where is your evidence that there is no curve?
Where is your unified FE model that can actually explain reality?
Where is your refutation to all the evidence that shows Earth is round?

Nope, southern Louisiana shorelines are horizontal and can't meet a curved Ocean. And You still can't flood a sphere. All of Southerns Louisiana is below the curve that why it floods. We haven't talked about all the horizontal shorelines on this Earth which is not possible with your theory. Horizontal shorelines can't meet a curved ocean.   You can't win, but you are a pro.

What is a "horizontal shoreline"?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 04, 2019, 12:25:36 AM
I did not express it correctly. NASA is a fraud, here is why.  There are three things viewed in the video .

1. A solar panel array
2. A spinning sphere Earth
3. A Sun.

They all three stay in the same alignment from center (seen at sunset) during the entire Sunset to Sunrise event while Earth spins many times and while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.

NASA claims the ISS almost completed an orbit during the event. Understanding this, how is it possible for the camera to view all three, (1,2 and 3) in an alignment as expressed, if the ISS almost makes a complete orbit and the Earth rotates more than once?

One of them has to be moved out of the alignment when the ISS almost makes a complete orbit.  Which one should be moved out of the alignment, the Sun or Earth?
And, why doesn’t the Earth’s rotation match the time of a Sunset to Sunrise Event, but spins out of control?

If you nor any others here have a logical answer then  NASA is a Fraud. And learn to say Earth is Flat and NASA faked a spinning Globe Earth with stationary equipment and CGI implementation.

And here you are asking even more questions while failing to answer any of the questions you have been asked.

I already posted the explanation for this video. During the month of june the sun doesn't set completely on the ISS, thats why you see it rising again after barely touching the edge of the earth.

What makes you think the earth rotates more than once in the video? No it doesnt since the earth needs 24h to complete a rotation.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 12:29:41 AM
I did not express it correctly. NASA is a fraud, here is why.  There are three things viewed in the video .

1. A solar panel array
2. A spinning sphere Earth
3. A Sun.

They all three stay in the same alignment from center (seen at sunset) during the entire Sunset to Sunrise event while Earth spins many times and while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.

NASA claims the ISS almost completed an orbit during the event. Understanding this, how is it possible for the camera to view all three, (1,2 and 3) in an alignment as expressed, if the ISS almost makes a complete orbit and the Earth rotates more than once?

One of them has to be moved out of the alignment when the ISS almost makes a complete orbit.  Which one should be moved out of the alignment, the Sun or Earth?
And, why doesn’t the Earth’s rotation match the time of a Sunset to Sunrise Event, but spins out of control?

If you nor any others here have a logical answer then  NASA is a Fraud. And learn to say Earth is Flat and NASA faked a spinning Globe Earth with stationary equipment and CGI implementation.

And here you are asking even more questions while failing to answer any of the questions you have been asked.

I already posted the explanation for this video. During the month of june the sun doesn't set completely on the ISS, thats why you see it rising again after barely touching the edge of the earth.

What makes you think the earth rotates more than once in the video? No it doesnt since the earth needs 24h to complete a rotation.

It's not turning real slow during the time laps video but spins fast. Gee.  That's how i know NASA faked it. Have another look.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 04, 2019, 12:33:21 AM
I did not express it correctly. NASA is a fraud, here is why.  There are three things viewed in the video .

1. A solar panel array
2. A spinning sphere Earth
3. A Sun.

They all three stay in the same alignment from center (seen at sunset) during the entire Sunset to Sunrise event while Earth spins many times and while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.

NASA claims the ISS almost completed an orbit during the event. Understanding this, how is it possible for the camera to view all three, (1,2 and 3) in an alignment as expressed, if the ISS almost makes a complete orbit and the Earth rotates more than once?

One of them has to be moved out of the alignment when the ISS almost makes a complete orbit.  Which one should be moved out of the alignment, the Sun or Earth?
And, why doesn’t the Earth’s rotation match the time of a Sunset to Sunrise Event, but spins out of control?

If you nor any others here have a logical answer then  NASA is a Fraud. And learn to say Earth is Flat and NASA faked a spinning Globe Earth with stationary equipment and CGI implementation.

And here you are asking even more questions while failing to answer any of the questions you have been asked.

I already posted the explanation for this video. During the month of june the sun doesn't set completely on the ISS, thats why you see it rising again after barely touching the edge of the earth.

What makes you think the earth rotates more than once in the video? No it doesnt since the earth needs 24h to complete a rotation.

It's not turning real slow during the time laps video but spins fast. Gee.  That's how i know NASA faked it. Have another look.

How fast should it be spinning for you to know that NASA didn't fake it?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 04, 2019, 12:44:17 AM
I did not express it correctly. NASA is a fraud, here is why.  There are three things viewed in the video .

1. A solar panel array
2. A spinning sphere Earth
3. A Sun.

They all three stay in the same alignment from center (seen at sunset) during the entire Sunset to Sunrise event while Earth spins many times and while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.

NASA claims the ISS almost completed an orbit during the event. Understanding this, how is it possible for the camera to view all three, (1,2 and 3) in an alignment as expressed, if the ISS almost makes a complete orbit and the Earth rotates more than once?

One of them has to be moved out of the alignment when the ISS almost makes a complete orbit.  Which one should be moved out of the alignment, the Sun or Earth?
And, why doesn’t the Earth’s rotation match the time of a Sunset to Sunrise Event, but spins out of control?

If you nor any others here have a logical answer then  NASA is a Fraud. And learn to say Earth is Flat and NASA faked a spinning Globe Earth with stationary equipment and CGI implementation.

And here you are asking even more questions while failing to answer any of the questions you have been asked.

I already posted the explanation for this video. During the month of june the sun doesn't set completely on the ISS, thats why you see it rising again after barely touching the edge of the earth.

What makes you think the earth rotates more than once in the video? No it doesnt since the earth needs 24h to complete a rotation.

It's not turning real slow during the time laps video but spins fast. Gee.  That's how i know NASA faked it. Have another look.

You dont undersrand how orbits work. The ISS completes an orbit around the earth each 90 minutes. Imagine a plane flying around the world in 90 minutes, that would be pretty fast.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 04, 2019, 01:07:22 AM
They all three stay in the same alignment from center
No, the alignment changes dramatically.
The starts above the camera's FOV, and is clearly observed to move.

while Earth spins many times
Again, what are you basing this on?

while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.
Based upon what?
According to the timestamps it has only been roughly an hour, or ~2/3 of an orbit.
Based upon the position of the sun, it clearly hasn't made a complete orbit.
There is not enough visible of Earth under the clouds to determine where above Earth it is.
There is no basis for any of your claims.

It is quite easy to make a argument about an impossibility that hasn't been demonstrated at all.

You still don't get it, southern Louisiana shorelines are horizontal and can't meet a curved Ocean.
No, you still don't get it (or you do and are just pretending), it works the same on a FE and RE.
The elevations would be the same. And You still can't flood a sphere.

We haven't talked about all the horizontal shorelines
What horizontal shorelines? Is this just another baseless claim of yours?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 04, 2019, 03:00:43 AM
I did not express it correctly. NASA is a fraud, here is why.  There are three things viewed in the video .

1. A solar panel array
2. A spinning sphere Earth
3. A Sun.

They all three stay in the same alignment from center (seen at sunset) during the entire Sunset to Sunrise event while Earth spins many times and while the ISS almost makes a complete rotation.

 NASA claims the ISS almost completed an orbit during the event. Understanding this, how is it possible for the camera to view all three, (1,2 and 3) in an alignment as expressed, if the ISS almost makes a complete orbit and the Earth rotates more than once?

One of them has to be moved out of the alignment when the ISS almost makes a complete orbit.  Which one should be moved out of the alignment, the Sun or Earth?
And, why doesn’t the Earth’s rotation match the time of a Sunset to Sunrise Event, but spins out of control?

If you nor any others here have a logical answer then  NASA is a Fraud. And learn to say Earth is Flat and NASA faked a spinning Globe Earth with stationary equipment and CGI implementation.


(https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AGF-l7-ZOC1ivrmqSHXFCMUzbVga8-2advVGnrU78w=s288-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo)Sunrise and Sunset around Summer Solstice by NASACrewEarthObs

Careful, Plat Terra, the hole you are digging for yourself is rapidly getting deeper!

The ISS is travelling at about 7.66 km/s (27,600 km/h or 17,100 mph) and it's orbital period is around 92.7 minutes depending on the current altutude.
The surface speed of the earth, even at the equator, is only about 0.460 km/s (1656 km/h or 1029 mph).

So the movement of the earth relative to the ISS is mainly the movement of the ISS not the earth.

By the way, there are plenty more short videos from the ISS at: (https://yt3.ggpht.com/a/AGF-l7-ZOC1ivrmqSHXFCMUzbVga8-2advVGnrU78w=s288-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo)NASACrewEarthObs. (https://m.youtube.com/user/NASACrewEarthObs/videos)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 04, 2019, 05:48:15 AM
Your oblate spheroid won't have depressions in the bulge areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea curve or in the higher areas. It will all be curved. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the Globe theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.
Again, that is just like saying:
Your flat earth won't have depressions in the flat areas in the coastal regions, at, near or below sea flat or in the higher areas. It will all be flat. But' that's not the case is it?  That's even more of a problem for the flat theory. See, the hole just keeps getting bigger.

Again, no one is saying Earth is perfectly round, just like no one is saying it is perfectly flat.
Depressions, i.e. regions with lower elevations, can work on both the FE and the RE. For a FE they use an imaginary flat line at sea flat for the elevation reference, for the real Earth they use an imaginary curved line at sea level for the elevation reference.

If all you can do is repeat the same non-problems then you don't have a hope of refuting RE nor making any sane REer admit defeat.

Again, where is your evidence that there is no curve?
Where is your unified FE model that can actually explain reality?
Where is your refutation to all the evidence that shows Earth is round?

You still don't get it, southern Louisiana shorelines are horizontal and can't meet a curved Ocean. And You still can't flood a sphere. All of Southerns Louisiana is below the curve that why it floods. We haven't talked about all the horizontal shorelines on this Earth which is not possible with your theory. Horizontal shorelines can't meet a curved ocean.   You can't win, but you are a pro.
You haven't proven they are horizontal or that you can't flood a sphere. You haven't proven anything except you don't understand anything. I'm starting to think you don't understand round OR flat. Either that or you're just trolling. Which is it?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on August 04, 2019, 10:32:00 AM
You still don't get it, southern Louisiana shorelines are horizontal and can't meet a curved Ocean. And You still can't flood a sphere. All of Southerns Louisiana is below the curve that why it floods. We haven't talked about all the horizontal shorelines on this Earth which is not possible with your theory. Horizontal shorelines can't meet a curved ocean.   You can't win, but you are a pro.
On the curved surface of the globe, a point on the surface miles away from another point, will have the same elevation.  And yet, you claim one point would be the top and everything is downhill from there.

You have no argument.  Learn how the globe works.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 04, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
OR  considering what has been said about the orientation of the Camera and Earths spin, and the ISS is allegedly only 250 miles above the surface, it is impossible to view the Sun over the north pole horizon when it’s on a pass from the Southern Ocean, south of Tasmania, to western Africa, over northern Mali. The ISS wouldn’t be able to view the Sun north over the horizon being that close to Earth being that far south. (FAKE)

You are the one bringing this video to the thread, your are the one claiming the video is fake, then prove your claim. You know the size and position of the earth, you know the orbit of the ISS, you have all the data you need, then provide mathematical proof that the video is fake.

BWT you keep asking lots of questions but you refuse to answer any questions yourself, why? How did you verify the earth is an infinite plane?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 11:59:45 AM
OR  considering what has been said about the orientation of the Camera and Earths spin, and the ISS is allegedly only 250 miles above the surface, it is impossible to view the Sun over the north pole horizon when it’s on a pass from the Southern Ocean, south of Tasmania, to western Africa, over northern Mali. The ISS wouldn’t be able to view the Sun north over the horizon being that close to Earth being that far south. (FAKE)

You are the one bringing this video to the thread, your are the one claiming the video is fake, then prove your claim. You know the size and position of the earth, you know the orbit of the ISS, you have all the data you need, then provide mathematical proof that the video is fake.

BWT you keep asking lots of questions but you refuse to answer any questions yourself, why? How did you verify the earth is an infinite plane?

Do you  believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words. Yes, or no?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 04, 2019, 12:10:23 PM
Do you  believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words. Yes, or no?

No I don't see any reason to question the video... unless you can prove that the video is fake. Here's a diagram to help you with your proof:

(https://i.imgur.com/hKOVvc8.jpg)

https://astrobob.areavoices.com/2019/05/15/follow-the-international-space-station-to-the-land-of-the-midnight-sun/

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 01:07:27 PM
Do you  believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words. Yes, or no?

No I don't see any reason to question the video... unless you can prove that the video is fake. Here's a diagram to help you with your proof:

(https://i.imgur.com/hKOVvc8.jpg)

https://astrobob.areavoices.com/2019/05/15/follow-the-international-space-station-to-the-land-of-the-midnight-sun/

Your ISS orbit placement in time is all wrong for the day in question. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

(https://i.imgur.com/1B9TMVy.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 04, 2019, 01:26:17 PM
Your ISS orbit orientation is all wrong for that day. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

Baby steps Plat, baby steps. Before you jump off over to all things space, let's solve some terrestrial things first. You started this thread with the globe crushing notion regarding the Panama Canal and no evidence of curvature. For some reason you abandoned all of that and spun off to random parts unknown.

Let's get back to basics and back to your OP and premise.

You could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derive them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to examine any of you claims let alone take them seriously.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 01:44:28 PM
Your ISS orbit orientation is all wrong for that day. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

Baby steps Plat, baby steps. Before you jump off over to all things space, let's solve some terrestrial things first. You started this thread with the globe crushing notion regarding the Panama Canal and no evidence of curvature. For some reason you abandoned all of that and spun off to random parts unknown.

Let's get back to basics and back to your OP and premise.

You could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derive them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to examine any of you claims let alone take them seriously.

Do you believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words too. Yes, or no?

BTW, I will take my thread any direction I want to go, and it has everything to do with showing the defeat of the Globe Community wither they accept at or not. Nor am I in your realm. Someone made a statement about NASA, so I took and opportunity to expose a fake NASA video. Don't worry i'm going back to the Suez, curvature and gravity issues.  This is my agenda and thread, not yours.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 02:13:04 PM
I would like to make a correction. I used the wrong words to express my thoughts.

Flat Earths know what the Globe Community believes happens at the Suez. RE believe it follows the curve. I misspoke when I stated I believe that would happen too, but it was in thought of what you guys think or believe happens. But that's not really the case knowing what would actually happen considering your theory of Gravity.

Later..... 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 04, 2019, 02:17:50 PM
Your ISS orbit orientation is all wrong for that day. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

Baby steps Plat, baby steps. Before you jump off over to all things space, let's solve some terrestrial things first. You started this thread with the globe crushing notion regarding the Panama Canal and no evidence of curvature. For some reason you abandoned all of that and spun off to random parts unknown.

Let's get back to basics and back to your OP and premise.

You could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derive them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to examine any of you claims let alone take them seriously.

Do you believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words too. Yes, or no?

BTW, I will take my thread any direction I want to go, and it has everything to do with showing the defeat of the Globe Community wither they accept at or not. Nor am I in your realm. Someone made a statement about NASA, so I took and opportunity to expose a fake NASA video. Don't worry i'm going back to the Suez, curvature and gravity issues.  This is my agenda and thread, not yours.

Save your childish, "can I trust you", shenanigans, plats. Why are you questioning this NASA video? Are you concerned it isn't an official NASA video, or the video has been sped up for some purpose, or are you concerned about the movement of the sun in the video? What is it?

I don't see any immediate reason to question it's integrity, as I can easily find thousands of similar iss NASA videos out there on the internet.

Is there something unique about this one you'd like to share with us all?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 04, 2019, 03:12:04 PM
Your ISS orbit orientation is all wrong for that day. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

Baby steps Plat, baby steps. Before you jump off over to all things space, let's solve some terrestrial things first. You started this thread with the globe crushing notion regarding the Panama Canal and no evidence of curvature. For some reason you abandoned all of that and spun off to random parts unknown.

Let's get back to basics and back to your OP and premise.

You could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derive them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to examine any of you claims let alone take them seriously.

Do you believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words too. Yes, or no?

My belief system does not enter into any of this. I am fact/evidence based only.

BTW, I will take my thread any direction I want to go, and it has everything to do with showing the defeat of the Globe Community wither they accept at or not. Nor am I in your realm. Someone made a statement about NASA, so I took and opportunity to expose a fake NASA video. Don't worry i'm going back to the Suez, curvature and gravity issues.  This is my agenda and thread, not yours.

Fair enough, but it wasn't a statement about NASA it was a video showing water not pouring off of a globe earth which is what you strangely claim would happen. And sure, it's your thread, you can take it anywhere you want, but so can others with a title like, "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" and as you meander through various topics of ill-informed disinterest.

Now, back to science. Every time you evade the questions your arguments get weaker and weaker. And considering where they started on the 'weakness' scale, well, there's that. So, you could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 04, 2019, 03:13:15 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I don't recall EVER seeing anything published by NASA for the sole purpose of appeasing or discrediting the flat Earth community.

I'm sure they're absolutely devastated by your skepticism!

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 04, 2019, 03:21:13 PM
Do you  believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words. Yes, or no?

No I don't see any reason to question the video... unless you can prove that the video is fake. Here's a diagram to help you with your proof:

(https://i.imgur.com/hKOVvc8.jpg)

https://astrobob.areavoices.com/2019/05/15/follow-the-international-space-station-to-the-land-of-the-midnight-sun/

Your ISS orbit placement in time is all wrong for the day in question. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

(https://i.imgur.com/1B9TMVy.jpg)
Nope your hole is deeper! And all the "rotation" in the video is the ISS moving over the earth NOT rotation.

The track of the ISS is not a straight line as you show but as on the track below.

If you bother to look up the details at  you might learn that:
The Track of the ISS was:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ut9vlk69018kz50/ISS%20Track%2020120606%20UTC.jpg?dl=1)

The details of the time, latitude and longitude of every frame are available in a long table that you can download and the most northern point was:
Photo Time GMT
   
Nadir Lat
   
Nadir Lon
   
Sun Azimuth
   
Sun Elevation Angle
05:24:39
   
51.8°
   
-68.4°
   
12°
   
-15°

So at the northermost point to ISS was at 51.8°N and the sun was visible on the surface as shown here:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7uurngtkfcxthor/ISS%20Track%2020120606%2005.24.00%20UTC%20Sunmap.jpg?dl=1)

If the ISS was 400 km above the earth the horizon would be almost 20° below it and almost 2300 km away - I fail to see any problem.

Stop wasting everybody's time and learn about the Globe!

Do you believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words too. Yes, or no?
No for the reasons given above!

Quote from: Plat Terra
BTW, I will take my thread any direction I want to go, and it has everything to do with showing the defeat of the Globe Community wither they accept at or not. Nor am I in your realm. Someone made a statement about NASA, so I took and opportunity to expose a fake NASA video. Don't worry i'm going back to the Suez, curvature and gravity issues.  This is my agenda and thread, not yours.
And we will post any evidence for the Globe that we choose because you asked the question "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?" so I faile to see that you should be the one to answer your own question.

You are almost as bad as cikljamas who puts "Photoshopped" images, that are not in the NASA image library, and proves that they are "Photoshopped" images - big deal.
Of course, they are "Photoshopped" images but NASA didn't "Photoshop" them!

And here you have been manufacturing through your own ignorance, incorrect evidence against the Globe and expecting us to "admit defeat" - not on your sweet life!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 04, 2019, 03:25:21 PM
If one ISS video produced by NASA is ever accepted to be questionable
This has nothing to do with the video and is just your paranoia.

The issue isn't us not wanting to question the video, it is with you being unable to show a single issue with it and instead spouting a bunch of baseless nonsense, plenty of which can easily be shown to be false.

Can you actually show any problem with the video?

I do realize the alleged ISS is orbiting faster than Earth’s (fake) rotation and would give the appearance a CW rotation, but that’s not the point. The point is, the rotation of Earth is from right to left as you would see a Globe model spinning on it’ vertical axis.
So you accept that the rotation you are seeing isn't from the rotation of Earth and instead is from the ISS orbiting, but then just straight out reject it and assert you should be seeing the rotation of Earth?
Do you enjoy contradicting yourself?

The ISS travels from west to east.
At midnight, the camera was facing to the north, as shown by the sun remaining above the horizon as it does during the midnight sun in the Arctic.
This means the Earth should appear to move from the right of frame to the left of frame.

So the direction of rotation is consistent with what is expected.

And the position of the camera at focal point (as if viewing the sun over the north pole horizon) places the ISS orbiting way above the equator.
You mean where it is meant to be?
It places it near the Arctic circle.
Note that it doesn't need to be above the Arctic circle. All it needs is the horizon to be within the Arctic circle.

At an altitude of roughly 400 km, the horizon would be roughly 2200 km away.
That equates to a latitude difference of roughly 19.8 degrees.
With the Arctic circle being at roughly 66.6 degrees north, that means the ISS just needs to get up to 46.8 degrees north.
Note: this is an estimate based upon the winter solstice exactly, the exact numbers will be slightly different.

The ISS has an orbital inclination of 51.64 degrees.
This is well above the needed 46.8 degrees.

That means there is absolutely nothing wrong with view of the sun over the north pole.
So another outright lie from you.
Not simply a baseless claim, but a factually incorrect claim where you are merely trying to attack the RE model, using whatever lies you can.

This seems to be almost all you have, blatant lies to pretend there is a problem with a RE.

it is impossible to view the Sun over the north pole horizon when it’s on a pass from the Southern Ocean, south of Tasmania, to western Africa, over northern Mali. The ISS wouldn’t be able to view the Sun north over the horizon being that close to Earth being that far south.
That was the start and end location.
Remember you even made the argument that it made almost a complete orbit (in reality it is more like 2/3).
You are aware the ISS doesn't just magically stay south?
On its trip from Tasmania to Mali it will pass over North America.

Here is an actual map of what its path would be like:
(https://i.imgur.com/1jkYBOx.png)


So still no actual problems with the video, just lie after lie after lie.
The only thing you have shown to be questionable is yourself.

I need know know if I can trust your words too. Yes, or no?
Considering how many times you have blatantly lied, either blatantly misrepresenting the RE model, or made a factually false statement which can easily be shown as such, the real question is can we trust you?
So far I would say no.

it has everything to do with showing the defeat of the Globe Community
It seems to be more about the dishonesty of FEers and how they are quite happy to blatantly lie to pretend there are problems when there are not.
You are yet to show a single problem with the globe model and thus have not even begun to defeat the RE community.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 04, 2019, 03:35:49 PM
Do you  believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words. Yes, or no?

No I don't see any reason to question the video... unless you can prove that the video is fake. Here's a diagram to help you with your proof:

(https://i.imgur.com/hKOVvc8.jpg)

https://astrobob.areavoices.com/2019/05/15/follow-the-international-space-station-to-the-land-of-the-midnight-sun/

Your ISS orbit placement in time is all wrong for the day in question. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

(https://i.imgur.com/1B9TMVy.jpg)

I see Rabinoz has beaten me to it, but I will answer you anyway. In short: You are wrong again. The ISS path is publicly available, you have an internet connection so you can check it as well. Your drawing on the map only proves how clueless you are.

(https://i.imgur.com/1c5aNSK.jpg)

I happens that the ISS was above Tasmania just some minutes ago and will be over West Africa in less than hour, just like in the video.

http://www.isstracker.com/
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 04, 2019, 04:06:02 PM
Plats, I applaud you for finding your way to the flat earth society to learn all about how earth as a globe functions, including all things nasa and space. Something you could probably have done by visiting any elementary school library, and not an immediate first choice by most folk, but I applaud you anyway.  ;D
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 04, 2019, 05:03:59 PM
Your ISS orbit orientation is all wrong for that day. And the directional rotation of the Earth in the video should be from NE to SW not East to west. But we who seek truth know why it's not, because it's faked. And you defend a fake video.  The hole is deeper and you ignored the point of all the rotation in the video for such a short rotation in real time. Stop wasting my time!

Baby steps Plat, baby steps. Before you jump off over to all things space, let's solve some terrestrial things first. You started this thread with the globe crushing notion regarding the Panama Canal and no evidence of curvature. For some reason you abandoned all of that and spun off to random parts unknown.

Let's get back to basics and back to your OP and premise.

You could start by explaining how you derive distance between two points. How did you derive the distance from the Red to the Med for the Suez Canal? How did you derive the distance from the Pacific to the Atlantic for the Panama Canal? What's the distance between San Francisco and Boston?

Without knowing your distances and how you derive them I'm afraid it's impossible for us to examine any of you claims let alone take them seriously.

Do you believe NASA's ISS video is questionable? I need know know if I can trust your words too. Yes, or no?

BTW, I will take my thread any direction I want to go, and it has everything to do with showing the defeat of the Globe Community wither they accept at or not. Nor am I in your realm. Someone made a statement about NASA, so I took and opportunity to expose a fake NASA video. Don't worry i'm going back to the Suez, curvature and gravity issues.  This is my agenda and thread, not yours.
Translation: I'll gish gallop if I want to! If I get destroyed on one topic I'll just move to the next and ignore all criticisms!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 05:33:13 PM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.

 (https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 04, 2019, 05:53:42 PM
The blue haze above the red line is not equal across the line.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 04, 2019, 05:57:45 PM
The blue haze above the red line is not equal across the line.
Nor does he understand how to use and apply curvature math.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 05:58:48 PM
The blue haze above the red line is not equal across the line.

We can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 06:01:31 PM
The blue haze above the red line is not equal across the line.
Nor does he understand how to use and apply curvature math.

I corrected Macarios' curvature math. Does that count? Go back and look.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 04, 2019, 06:29:13 PM
The blue haze above the red line is not equal across the line.
Nor does he understand how to use and apply curvature math.

I corrected Macarios' curvature math. Does that count? Go back and look.
No it doesn't count when you have multiple times gotten it wrong and claimed there should be a curve side to side at ground level. But at least you're good for humor. Just waiting for the next gish gallop!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 04, 2019, 06:34:57 PM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.

 (https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)

Lol! Would you like to try again with a photo of the horizon where it's flat instead of curved? This is too hilarious for words!   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 04, 2019, 06:52:51 PM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
(https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)
Really? Look at that same video just a few seconds before your screenshot:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksamkht16gb9upm/Meet%20the%20First%20College%20Students%20to%20Launch%20a%20Rocket%20Into%20Space%20at%202.06%20-%20guide.jpg?dl=1)
Meet the First College Students to Launch a Rocket Into Space at 2:06 with guide
From: Meet the First College Students to Launch a Rocket Into Space | WIRED (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=bk5QAiL41LA).

Look, all the curve you could ask for ;D! Except that I doubt either are the true curve from 339,000 feet and even mine might be exaggerated.

Next time get your photos from a video that does not use a lens with a large amount of "barrel distortion"!

Back to the drawing board!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 04, 2019, 06:57:25 PM
The blue haze above the red line is not equal across the line.
Nor does he understand how to use and apply curvature math.

I corrected Macarios' curvature math. Does that count? Go back and look.

Them's fightin' words. You have zero corrections when it comes to anything Macarios has put forth. Some goal post moving on your part is about it. His word is solid, unlike yours.

You can't even tell the distance between 2 points on earth. How would you be able to correct anyone's 'curvature math'? Do explain. How far is one thing from another?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 04, 2019, 07:24:29 PM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
(https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)
Really? Look at that same video just a few seconds before your screenshot:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksamkht16gb9upm/Meet%20the%20First%20College%20Students%20to%20Launch%20a%20Rocket%20Into%20Space%20at%202.06%20-%20guide.jpg?dl=1)
Meet the First College Students to Launch a Rocket Into Space at 2:06 with guide
From: Meet the First College Students to Launch a Rocket Into Space | WIRED (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=bk5QAiL41LA).

Look, all the curve you could ask for ;D! Except that I doubt either are the true curve from 339,000 feet and even mine might be exaggerated.

Next time get your photos from a video that does not use a lens with a large amount of "barrel distortion"!

Back to the drawing board!

And look here before your snip. Is Earth concave? Understanding the optics with the position of the camera in relation to the horizon is key. OOPS, I said Horizon.

I have yet to see someone make a curved surface concave through camera optics. 

(https://i.imgur.com/ovgZjMf.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 04, 2019, 08:19:58 PM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
(https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)
Really? Look at that same video just a few seconds before your screenshot:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ksamkht16gb9upm/Meet%20the%20First%20College%20Students%20to%20Launch%20a%20Rocket%20Into%20Space%20at%202.06%20-%20guide.jpg?dl=1)
Meet the First College Students to Launch a Rocket Into Space at 2:06 with guide
From: Meet the First College Students to Launch a Rocket Into Space | WIRED (https://www.youtube.co/watch?v=bk5QAiL41LA).

Look, all the curve you could ask for ;D! Except that I doubt either are the true curve from 339,000 feet and even mine might be exaggerated.

Next time get your photos from a video that does not use a lens with a large amount of "barrel distortion"!

Back to the drawing board!
And look here before your snip. Is Earth concave? Understanding the optics with the position of the camera in relation to the horizon is key. OOPS, I said Horizon.

I have yet to see someone make a curved surface concave through camera optics. 

(https://i.imgur.com/ovgZjMf.jpg)

Plats, are you setting off anytime soon in search of the edge of the earth? Be sure to pack your night vision goggles if you are, as it's 24 hour night in Antarctica this time of year.

It's unfortunate for your highly entertaining and hopelessly flawed argument that the ISS is filming the curvature of the earth at least every hour of every day. That's because the ISS is high enough to do so.

Would you like to tell us all, plats, who's been filming the flat plane earth from the same altitude as the ISS?

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 04, 2019, 09:04:52 PM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
(https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)
Really? Look at that same video just a few seconds before your screenshot:
<< See later >>

Back to the drawing board!
And look here before your snip. Is Earth concave? Understanding the optics with the position of the camera in relation to the horizon is key. OOPS, I said Horizon.

I have yet to see someone make a curved surface concave through camera optics. 

(https://i.imgur.com/ovgZjMf.jpg)
Well you haven't seen much, have you? That photo is an example of a curved surface made concave through camera optics.

A lens with barrel-distortion will show the horizon:So to see the true shape of the horizon should:Here is a reference on camera lens distortion: Simple Lens Testing (http://www.workshopcameraclub.org.au/Documents/SimpleLensTesting.pdf).
Here is a diagram from that document showing examples of moderate Barrel and Pincushion Distortion:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/zegemim8w8ddufq/Simple%20Lens%20Testing%20Barrel%20and%20Pincushion%20Distortion.jpg?dl=1)

But, Plat Terra, you really should stop pretending that you are so knowledgeable on the Globe because you most certainly are not!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 05, 2019, 12:58:53 AM
Plats, here's a little experiment you can do. Choose a place 50km due East of you and a place 50km due West of you. Have a look on google the sunset times for each of those three places. They will each be different.

Now remember, the time of sunset is the moment the top limb of the sun disappears at the western horizon.

People at the place east of you will see the sunset at least 6 minutes before you do, and at the place west of you, at least 6 minutes after you do. Don't just take my word for it, I'm sure you know people in such places and you can be on the phone with them to verify the times.

If the earth were a gigantic flat plane, you would continue to see the sun in the sky just as you continue to see planes in the sky long after they have travelled beyond your horizon.

Prove me wrong....
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 05, 2019, 02:15:37 AM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
You mean you yet again run away from reality?
This picture from the video you source shows a curve:
(https://i.imgur.com/5YzIUsU.png)
And this one as well:
(https://i.imgur.com/lZzhEpG.png)

It's also quite clear from the footage that there was a fish eye lens being used.
You cherry picked a frame where the distortion due the fish eye lens cancelled the real curvature.
This is easily demonstrated here:
(https://i.imgur.com/S4zu4an.png)
Notice how Earth is below the centre of the FOV? And the horizon is as well.
The only way for the horizon to be appear as a straight line in this shot is if it is actually curved.
Your dishonesty went so far that you even removed a portion of the top of the image to pretend the horizon was in the centre.

So once again, caught lying for a FE.

Is it really surprising that REers wont accept defeat when the only arguments you can put forward are lies?

Do you have anything that isn't based upon a lie or ignorance?
You know, anything to show an actual problem with the RE?

I have yet to see someone make a curved surface concave through camera optics.
Your ignorance of camera optics is not evidence for Earth being flat.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 05, 2019, 07:39:47 AM
I can't decide who is better at proving a globe earth - Ranty Flat Earth or Plat Terra

One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.

 (https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)

Thanks for showing curvature
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 08:40:10 AM
One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.

 (https://i.imgur.com/It5BQy3.jpg)

We can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle. The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.  And does not mean we live on a sphere.

 If you apply curvature math of a alleged 3959 mile radius to this horizon or any other, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
I am working on a post that shows the Suez Canal can’t exist on a Globe Earth, but for now I would like to point out the following.

(https://i.imgur.com/UgNeKC7.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: John Davis on August 05, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
This is a bit off topic, but I'm glad you are here and fighting the good fight Plat Terra.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 05, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
The 216 feet is 0.041 miles.
To see that as one pixel of a bulge, your image has to be 878 pixels wide.

It looks easy, but how big part of the middle of the line will be for that one pixel higher than the rest?
And will it really be seen as a bulge at all? :)

The distance of the 36 miles is too small part of the Earth's circumference to be seen as curved in blueprints.
(One pixel per 878.)
And construction teams already know how to measure from Mean Sea level.
Any other reference is useless.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 11:16:20 AM
The 216 feet is 0.041 miles.
To see that as one pixel of a bulge, your image has to be 878 pixels wide.

It looks easy, but how big part of the middle of the line will be for that one pixel higher than the rest?
And will it really be seen as a bulge at all? :)

The distance of the 36 miles is too small part of the Earth's circumference to be seen as curved in blueprints.
(One pixel per 878.)
And construction teams already know how to measure from Mean Sea level.
Any other reference is useless.

You let us know when you have actually verified your (Claim) alleged surface curvature over the Canal. I'm not going to buy a gold mine based solely on claims.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 11:41:53 AM
This is a bit off topic, but I'm glad you are here and fighting the good fight Plat Terra.
Thank you, Sir
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 05, 2019, 12:08:58 PM
The 216 feet is 0.041 miles.
To see that as one pixel of a bulge, your image has to be 878 pixels wide.

It looks easy, but how big part of the middle of the line will be for that one pixel higher than the rest?
And will it really be seen as a bulge at all? :)

The distance of the 36 miles is too small part of the Earth's circumference to be seen as curved in blueprints.
(One pixel per 878.)
And construction teams already know how to measure from Mean Sea level.
Any other reference is useless.

You let us know when you have actually verified your (Claim) alleged surface curvature over the Canal. I'm not going to buy a gold mine based solely on claims.

Well, seeing as you are yet to show us YOUR personal measurements of the panama canal, we can also dismiss your argument. Let me know when you PERSONALLY  verify it. I'm not going to buy a silver mine based solely on claims. Especially claims that are chock full of personal opinions and incredulity.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 05, 2019, 12:31:03 PM
The 216 feet is 0.041 miles.
To see that as one pixel of a bulge, your image has to be 878 pixels wide.

It looks easy, but how big part of the middle of the line will be for that one pixel higher than the rest?
And will it really be seen as a bulge at all? :)

The distance of the 36 miles is too small part of the Earth's circumference to be seen as curved in blueprints.
(One pixel per 878.)
And construction teams already know how to measure from Mean Sea level.
Any other reference is useless.

You let us know when you have actually verified your (Claim) alleged surface curvature over the Canal. I'm not going to buy a gold mine based solely on claims.

How did you determine the 36 mile distance? What method did you use? How did you verify the distance? Not knowing your methodology makes it impossible to examine, let alone believe, you claim.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 05, 2019, 02:32:41 PM
Earth's gravity causes the water in the Suez Canal to have an equipotential surface, plats. We've already been over this......  ;)

But keep working hard on that Suez Canal post of yours. Like President Davis says, "Keep fighting the good fight."  :'(

BTW, your ability to not address difficult questions, plats, has not gone unnoticed.... :-\
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2019, 03:10:22 PM
I am working on a post that shows the Suez Canal can’t exist on a Globe Earth,
That might be a little difficult because the Suez Canal does exist on the Globe Earth but give it a go!

Quote from: Plat Terra
but for now I would like to point out the following.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/o0utwqydpptw9zy/Panama%20Canal%20Reply%20%23381%20-%20Top%20Text%20-%20a.jpg?dl=1)
And you have yet to show that the surface curvature is not as indicated have you?
All you have done is drawn Mean Seal Level as a straight line when it should follow an almost perfect circle both over the open ocean and through the land as Macarios tried to explain in:
Again, elevations are measured from sea level, not from flat plane.
(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/yLQ078.png)

So where is your evidence that the sea-level would no be as Macarios showed.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/fe2rxh35hjgjz1r/Panama%20Canal%20Reply%20%23381%20-%20Top%20Text%20-%20b.jpg?dl=1)
Simply words agaim!I'll skip the next bits because they say nothing that hasn't been covered numerous times..

What do you hope to prove by simply saying things that show that you have no understanding of the term Mean Sea Level etc?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 05, 2019, 03:12:09 PM
We can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle.
Prove it.
There is no evidence of any limit to human vision.
If there was such a limit, you would not be able to see further by going higher.
So if we could only see to a distance of 5 km, we should only see 5 km. Going higher shouldn't then allow the horizon to be much further away.

Also importantly, we live in 3D, not 2D, so we should be seeing the radius of a sphere.
That means objects well above our head, like the sun, shouldn't be visible at all.

So this idea is clearly pure nonsense.

The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.
No, even with your idea, anything to the left or right will have the same distance.
If we can see in a circle, we can see the same distance all around.

If you apply curvature math of a alleged 3959 mile radius to this horizon or any other, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
You mean it can actually explain what is observed rather than relying upon nonsense like our vision magically being limited to a circle?
That isn't exposing a hoax, that is supporting a theory with evidence.

I am working on a post that shows the Suez Canal can’t exist on a Globe Earth, but for now I would like to point out the following.
You mean rather than admit your dishonesty or accept that you were wrong, you will just jump topic again and spout more nonsense.

We are under no obligation to verify the curvature for you, especially not in any particular location. Like I have said, it has been verified plenty of times.
If you want to defeat a RE you can't just say you don't accept the evidence that is already there, or even just appeal to a lack of a particular piece of evidence. You need to show an actual problem.

Where are your measurements of the Panama Canal or the Suez Canal or something to show there is no curve?
So far all you have provided is ignorance and lies. None of that defeats the RE.
If you want to show that the Suez Canal isn't curved, then provide the measurements showing that it is flat, including all the details of how they were obtained.

Topographic maps report height relative to sea level, not some arbitrary flat plane which makes no sense to use as there is literally no justification for any particular plane.
Ignoring definitions of level which don't suit your agenda doesn't help you either.

I guess that means you reject spirit levels and other forms of levels as well, because they don't fit the definition you have cherry picked?


As for you latest strawman, that curvature you are appealing to is effectively nothing.
Again, stop using different units.
You are appealing to a 216 archaic unit drop over a distance of 190080 archaic units.
That is a fractional drop of 0.001.
That is basically nothing.

This is a too scale diagram of just what that should look like:
(https://i.imgur.com/rYUPQ4F.png)

Not very different from a straight line is it?

But more importantly, THAT ISN'T WHAT YOU SHOULD SEE!
That is a great circle of Earth, the curve going all the way around.
You will see part of that when looking straight ahead, but it then doesn't follow the horizon.
Unless you are infinitely far away from Earth, that great circle will be hidden by the horizon.
Instead what you should see is the horizon being at the same angle of dip all around.
So you shouldn't even see that curve.


So again, it isn't surprising that the RE community wont accept defeat when you haven't even begun to defeat them.
So far all you have done is posted a collection of lies and repeated the same claims of ignorance.
People not verifying the curvature doesn't mean the curvature isn't real, and again, plenty of people have verified the curvature.
Making factually incorrect claims about pictures and videos doesn't refute the RE.

Do you have any actual problem with the RE, as I am yet to see you present one.

And like I said, if you really want to defeat REers you should provide an alternative model that works better.
Plenty of observations are consistent with a RE and inconsistent with everything else except nature conspiring to make Earth look round.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 03:49:44 PM
We can only see in a circle. Optics can only see in the radius of a circle.
Prove it.
There is no evidence of any limit to human vision.
If there was such a limit, you would not be able to see further by going higher.
So if we could only see to a distance of 5 km, we should only see 5 km. Going higher shouldn't then allow the horizon to be much further away.

Also importantly, we live in 3D, not 2D, so we should be seeing the radius of a sphere.
That means objects well above our head, like the sun, shouldn't be visible at all.

So this idea is clearly pure nonsense.

The farthest we can see is straight ahead, anything left to right is pulled back.
No, even with your idea, anything to the left or right will have the same distance.
If we can see in a circle, we can see the same distance all around.

If you apply curvature math of a alleged 3959 mile radius to this horizon or any other, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.
You mean it can actually explain what is observed rather than relying upon nonsense like our vision magically being limited to a circle?
That isn't exposing a hoax, that is supporting a theory with evidence.

I am working on a post that shows the Suez Canal can’t exist on a Globe Earth, but for now I would like to point out the following.
You mean rather than admit your dishonesty or accept that you were wrong, you will just jump topic again and spout more nonsense.

We are under no obligation to verify the curvature for you, especially not in any particular location. Like I have said, it has been verified plenty of times.
If you want to defeat a RE you can't just say you don't accept the evidence that is already there, or even just appeal to a lack of a particular piece of evidence. You need to show an actual problem.

Where are your measurements of the Panama Canal or the Suez Canal or something to show there is no curve?
So far all you have provided is ignorance and lies. None of that defeats the RE.
If you want to show that the Suez Canal isn't curved, then provide the measurements showing that it is flat, including all the details of how they were obtained.

Topographic maps report height relative to sea level, not some arbitrary flat plane which makes no sense to use as there is literally no justification for any particular plane.
Ignoring definitions of level which don't suit your agenda doesn't help you either.

I guess that means you reject spirit levels and other forms of levels as well, because they don't fit the definition you have cherry picked?


As for you latest strawman, that curvature you are appealing to is effectively nothing.
Again, stop using different units.
You are appealing to a 216 archaic unit drop over a distance of 190080 archaic units.
That is a fractional drop of 0.001.
That is basically nothing.

This is a too scale diagram of just what that should look like:
(https://i.imgur.com/rYUPQ4F.png)

Not very different from a straight line is it?

But more importantly, THAT ISN'T WHAT YOU SHOULD SEE!
That is a great circle of Earth, the curve going all the way around.
You will see part of that when looking straight ahead, but it then doesn't follow the horizon.
Unless you are infinitely far away from Earth, that great circle will be hidden by the horizon.
Instead what you should see is the horizon being at the same angle of dip all around.
So you shouldn't even see that curve.


So again, it isn't surprising that the RE community wont accept defeat when you haven't even begun to defeat them.
So far all you have done is posted a collection of lies and repeated the same claims of ignorance.
People not verifying the curvature doesn't mean the curvature isn't real, and again, plenty of people have verified the curvature.
Making factually incorrect claims about pictures and videos doesn't refute the RE.

Do you have any actual problem with the RE, as I am yet to see you present one.

And like I said, if you really want to defeat REers you should provide an alternative model that works better.
Plenty of observations are consistent with a RE and inconsistent with everything else except nature conspiring to make Earth look round.

Did you know if your were transported to a spherical world that has the gravity actually expressed in your gravity theory, you wouldn't be able to walk? That's right, you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again. Funny but true!  That's for another week.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Xphilll on August 05, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
This is a bit off topic, but I'm glad you are here and fighting the good fight Plat Terra.
Yes Plat, you are well on your way to obtain "Flat Earth Researcher" rank.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 05, 2019, 04:03:39 PM
Did you know if your were transported to a spherical world that has the gravity actually expressed in your gravity theory, you wouldn't be able to walk? That's right, you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again. Funny but true!  That's for another week.

Still can't answer the question as to how you derive a distance between two points I see. Interesting. Well, if you can't verify how you can derive a distance then there's no point in trying to determine flatness, roundness or anything between.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: John Davis on August 05, 2019, 04:44:00 PM
This is a bit off topic, but I'm glad you are here and fighting the good fight Plat Terra.
Yes Plat, you are well on your way to obtain "Flat Earth Researcher" rank.

You can set that line in your profile, boss.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 05, 2019, 05:46:11 PM
Plat Terra said, "Did you know if your were transported to a spherical world that has the gravity actually expressed in your gravity theory, you wouldn't be able to walk? That's right, you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again. Funny but true!  That's for another week."

I think you're already down on all fours, dragging your knuckles, and it has nothing to do with either our spherical planet or of gravity.  :-* But here you go again, ready to launch off for yet another flat earth fail, this time about gravity...... If you had a dollar for everytime you've lost a debate on this forum, you'd be well on your way to becoming a millionnaire.  :o
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 05, 2019, 07:01:40 PM
Did you know if your were transported to a spherical world that has the gravity actually expressed in your gravity theory, you wouldn't be able to walk? That's right, you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again. Funny but true!  That's for another week.
So you now prove you also don't understand gravity. How sad.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 07:17:03 PM
I am working on a post that shows the Suez Canal can’t exist on a Globe Earth, but for now I would like to point out the following.

(https://i.imgur.com/UgNeKC7.jpg)

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!

 (https://i.imgur.com/D4sowER.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 05, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
I am working on a post that shows the Suez Canal can’t exist on a Globe Earth, but for now I would like to point out the following.

(https://i.imgur.com/UgNeKC7.jpg)

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!

 (https://i.imgur.com/D4sowER.jpg)
And you further prove you don't understand the subject. There is nothing wrong with gravity, just your misunderstanding of it and everything else. I'm even more convinced you're a troll. Thanks for the humor!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2019, 07:52:28 PM
Did you know if your were transported to a spherical world that has the gravity actually expressed in your gravity theory, you wouldn't be able to walk?
No,  I  didn't. Please tell me more, I'm all ears.

Quote from: Plat Terra
That's right, you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again. Funny but true!  That's for another week.
Your claim might be funny but it's certainly not true!

Here is the expression for Newtonian Gravitation: (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ks0kf5ov34q2u0h/Newton%27s%20Law%20of%20Universal%20Gravitation.png?dl=1).
So if:
The Universal Gravitational Constant, G = 6.67408 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2,
The mass of the earth is, m1 = 5.972 × 1024 kg,
A typical person's mass, m2 = 80 kg,
The distance from the centre of the earth, r = 6.371 × 106m.

You should be able to work out that person's weight.
So now you prove that "you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again.".
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 05, 2019, 08:13:06 PM
The 216 feet is 0.041 miles.
To see that as one pixel of a bulge, your image has to be 878 pixels wide.

It looks easy, but how big part of the middle of the line will be for that one pixel higher than the rest?
And will it really be seen as a bulge at all? :)

The distance of the 36 miles is too small part of the Earth's circumference to be seen as curved in blueprints.
(One pixel per 878.)
And construction teams already know how to measure from Mean Sea level.
Any other reference is useless.

You let us know when you have actually verified your (Claim) alleged surface curvature over the Canal. I'm not going to buy a gold mine based solely on claims.

It is verified by geodesic teams, and by the people who built it.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2019, 08:49:53 PM

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
No! If the you really understood how gravity, fluids and forces behave you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmnag3ehxbzrh5q/Plat%20Terra%20Suez%20-%20Lower%20diagram%20.jpg?dl=1)
So no, the "Globe Community" has no need to "either admit defeat" or "to alter their theory of gravity".
Not that any physicist would claim that they know everything about "their theory of gravity".
Try harder!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 09:03:51 PM

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
No! If the you really understood how gravity, fluids and forces behave you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmnag3ehxbzrh5q/Plat%20Terra%20Suez%20-%20Lower%20diagram%20.jpg?dl=1)
  • The downward force you have labelled with the red arrow could be placed along any line pointed at the centre of the earth.
    So it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction.

  • Likewise with the water at either end no, significant force to start it flowing in either direction.
    In this case, however, there is a force provided by the increasing pressure width depth so water naturally flows to fill the whole canal.

    Hence your ships at either end keep sailing along what appears to them as flat water - with not the slightest problem!
So no, the "Globe Community" has no need to "either admit defeat" or "to alter their theory of gravity".
Not that any physicist would claim that they know everything about "their theory of gravity".
Try harder!

You mean like this?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2188493#msg2188493

Or this?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192223#msg2192223

Or similar to this?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192920#msg2192920
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: NotSoSkeptical on August 05, 2019, 09:05:52 PM
We get it.  You don't understand how gravity works.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2019, 10:00:47 PM

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
No! If the you really understood how gravity, fluids and forces behave you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmnag3ehxbzrh5q/Plat%20Terra%20Suez%20-%20Lower%20diagram%20.jpg?dl=1)
  • The downward force you have labelled with the red arrow could be placed along any line pointed at the centre of the earth.
    So it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction.

  • Likewise with the water at either end no, significant force to start it flowing in either direction.
    In this case, however, there is a force provided by the increasing pressure width depth so water naturally flows to fill the whole canal.

    Hence your ships at either end keep sailing along what appears to them as flat water - with not the slightest problem!
So no, the "Globe Community" has no need to "either admit defeat" or "to alter their theory of gravity".
Not that any physicist would claim that they know everything about "their theory of gravity".
Try harder!
You mean like this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2188493#msg2188493
Or this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192223#msg2192223
Or similar to this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192920#msg2192920
In other words, you admit that you have no rational answer so all that you can do if refer to your own meaningless, ridiculous memes.

Are you honestly incapable of understanding that "down" on the Globe is not always in the direction of down from the North Pole.
"Down" is the direction a plumb-bob will point when hanging freely and on the Globe that is almost exactly towards the centre of the earth from all places on earth.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlwxgk6pnubdtoy/Plat%20Terra%20Curve%20memes%20%231.jpg?dl=1)
So that ball picture of your is total rubbish because the surface of the Globe does not immediately slope down from the North Pole or anywhere else.

I've never met anyone so incapable of understand such a simple concept.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue against the Globe you must use the "Globe" explanation of the way things work.
If you disagree with those "Globe" explanations of the way things work then the onus is one you to prove your case against them and I've never once seen you do that.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 10:05:20 PM

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
No! If the you really understood how gravity, fluids and forces behave you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmnag3ehxbzrh5q/Plat%20Terra%20Suez%20-%20Lower%20diagram%20.jpg?dl=1)
  • The downward force you have labelled with the red arrow could be placed along any line pointed at the centre of the earth.
    So it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction.

  • Likewise with the water at either end no, significant force to start it flowing in either direction.
    In this case, however, there is a force provided by the increasing pressure width depth so water naturally flows to fill the whole canal.

    Hence your ships at either end keep sailing along what appears to them as flat water - with not the slightest problem!
So no, the "Globe Community" has no need to "either admit defeat" or "to alter their theory of gravity".
Not that any physicist would claim that they know everything about "their theory of gravity".
Try harder!
You mean like this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2188493#msg2188493
Or this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192223#msg2192223
Or similar to this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192920#msg2192920
In other words, you admit that you have no rational answer so all that you can do if refer to your own meaningless, ridiculous memes.

Are you honestly incapable of understanding that "down" on the Globe is not always in the direction of down from the North Pole.
"Down" is the direction a plumb-bob will point when hanging freely and on the Globe that is almost exactly towards the centre of the earth from all places on earth.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlwxgk6pnubdtoy/Plat%20Terra%20Curve%20memes%20%231.jpg?dl=1)
So that ball picture of your is total rubbish because the surface of the Globe does not immediately slope down from the North Pole or anywhere else.

I've never met anyone so incapable of understand such a simple concept.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue against the Globe you must use the "Globe" explanation of the way things work.
If you disagree with those "Globe" explanations of the way things work then the onus is one you to prove your case against them and I've never once seen you do that.

You have been nailed where it matters!

When you go to bed tonight, you will remember these words. "Earth is a Plane".

Sweet dreams.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 05, 2019, 10:20:52 PM
Learn what potential energy and kinetic energy terms mean.

Water will find the lowest potential energy state. This is level.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 05, 2019, 10:31:07 PM

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
No! If the you really understood how gravity, fluids and forces behave you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmnag3ehxbzrh5q/Plat%20Terra%20Suez%20-%20Lower%20diagram%20.jpg?dl=1)
  • The downward force you have labelled with the red arrow could be placed along any line pointed at the centre of the earth.
    So it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction.

  • Likewise with the water at either end no, significant force to start it flowing in either direction.
    In this case, however, there is a force provided by the increasing pressure width depth so water naturally flows to fill the whole canal.

    Hence your ships at either end keep sailing along what appears to them as flat water - with not the slightest problem!
So no, the "Globe Community" has no need to "either admit defeat" or "to alter their theory of gravity".
Not that any physicist would claim that they know everything about "their theory of gravity".
Try harder!
You mean like this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2188493#msg2188493
Or this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192223#msg2192223
Or similar to this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192920#msg2192920
In other words, you admit that you have no rational answer so all that you can do if refer to your own meaningless, ridiculous memes.

Are you honestly incapable of understanding that "down" on the Globe is not always in the direction of down from the North Pole.
"Down" is the direction a plumb-bob will point when hanging freely and on the Globe that is almost exactly towards the centre of the earth from all places on earth.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlwxgk6pnubdtoy/Plat%20Terra%20Curve%20memes%20%231.jpg?dl=1)
So that ball picture of your is total rubbish because the surface of the Globe does not immediately slope down from the North Pole or anywhere else.

I've never met anyone so incapable of understand such a simple concept.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue against the Globe you must use the "Globe" explanation of the way things work.
If you disagree with those "Globe" explanations of the way things work then the onus is one you to prove your case against them and I've never once seen you do that.

You have been nailed where it matters!
And where have I "been nailed where it matters" or even where it doesn't matter?
All you've ever shown is that you don't understand anything and you've never posted real evidence, just your own words and memes.

In other words, no answer was the sad reply!

Could you please explain exactly what defined "down" on your flat earth?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 10:47:10 PM

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
No! If the you really understood how gravity, fluids and forces behave you wouldn't make such ridiculous claims.

Quote from: Plat Terra
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/rmnag3ehxbzrh5q/Plat%20Terra%20Suez%20-%20Lower%20diagram%20.jpg?dl=1)
  • The downward force you have labelled with the red arrow could be placed along any line pointed at the centre of the earth.
    So it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction.

  • Likewise with the water at either end no, significant force to start it flowing in either direction.
    In this case, however, there is a force provided by the increasing pressure width depth so water naturally flows to fill the whole canal.

    Hence your ships at either end keep sailing along what appears to them as flat water - with not the slightest problem!
So no, the "Globe Community" has no need to "either admit defeat" or "to alter their theory of gravity".
Not that any physicist would claim that they know everything about "their theory of gravity".
Try harder!
You mean like this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2188493#msg2188493
Or this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192223#msg2192223
Or similar to this?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2192920#msg2192920
In other words, you admit that you have no rational answer so all that you can do if refer to your own meaningless, ridiculous memes.

Are you honestly incapable of understanding that "down" on the Globe is not always in the direction of down from the North Pole.
"Down" is the direction a plumb-bob will point when hanging freely and on the Globe that is almost exactly towards the centre of the earth from all places on earth.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlwxgk6pnubdtoy/Plat%20Terra%20Curve%20memes%20%231.jpg?dl=1)
So that ball picture of your is total rubbish because the surface of the Globe does not immediately slope down from the North Pole or anywhere else.

I've never met anyone so incapable of understand such a simple concept.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue against the Globe you must use the "Globe" explanation of the way things work.
If you disagree with those "Globe" explanations of the way things work then the onus is one you to prove your case against them and I've never once seen you do that.

You have been nailed where it matters!
And where have I "been nailed where it matters" or even where it doesn't matter?
All you've ever shown is that you don't understand anything and you've never posted real evidence, just your own words and memes.

In other words, no answer was the sad reply!

Could you please explain exactly what defined "down" on your flat earth?

The readers seeking truth know where you've been nailed, and that's what matters.  You even know where you've been nailed but can't admit it openly.

Remember the words I wrote as you have sweet dreams.

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 05, 2019, 10:54:01 PM
Learn what potential energy and kinetic energy terms mean.

Water will find the lowest potential energy state. This is level.

You really mean to say; "This is Curve", right?

How do you like my avatar?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 05, 2019, 11:43:06 PM
(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/equipotential.jpg)



(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/nile.jpg)



(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/suez-canal.jpg)



You nailed it alright, plats! You nailed your foot to the floor with your own nail gun!

Here's a tip, the flat earth trolls of yesteryear got big kicks out of knowing the scientists they were challenging, would spend hours if not days and weeks debunking the absurd flat earth proposals. They were trolling the scientists. How long did it take me, a non-scientist, to find these diagrams which annihilate your diagrams? Five seconds. No skin off my nose.

This is 2019, and many thanks to the internet, information about anything is the click of a button away.

When you go to bed tonight, you will remember these words, "Earth is a plain sphere". 
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 06, 2019, 12:55:26 AM
Could you please explain exactly what defined "down" on your flat earth?
The readers seeking truth know where you've been nailed, and that's what matters.
In other words you cannot "explain exactly what defined "down" on your flat earth", so as usual you post meaningless drivel.

Quote from: Plat Terra
You even know where you've been nailed but can't admit it openly.
You refuse to even point out where I've been nailed so the Globe has no need to be concerned about the likes of you.

There are so many little things that flat earthers cannot explain without unsupported hypotheses  (ie guesses) is simply sunsets and sunrises!

Like these:

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/agflgl8bz3xhwfl/LHG-0693%20-%20Sunset%20Karumba%2020070808%2006.25.02%2C%20300%20mm.jpg?dl=1)
LHG-0693 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.02, 300 mm
       (https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3l9fm2orxrluxn/LHG-0697%20-%20Sunset%20Karumba%2020070808%2006.25.29%2C%20300%20mm.JPG?dl=1)
LHG-0697 - Sunset Karumba 20070808 06.25.29, 300 mm

I naturally think that the sun is really being hidden behind something, the horizon on the Globe.

All your silly memes cannot match the simple explanation of the sun's being hidden by the earth and then majestically rising into full view!
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/hnht4c1r5hh4vx1/Sunrise%20-%20Black%20Sea%20HD%2C%20kalcymc%20-%20sun%20part%20risen.jpg?dl=1)
Sunrise - Black Sea HD 265,498 views by kalcymc (https://m.youtube.co/watch?v=XwkdmHt_Ez8&t=112s)
      (https://www.dropbox.com/s/3072agy9hfyi1eb/Sunrise%20Sunsets%20Timelapse%20with%20by%20ZH%20Media%20-%20crop.jpg?dl=1)
HD Video 1080p 4K - Timelapse with Sunrise Sunsets by ZH Media (https://m.youtube.co/watch?v=STAVSfpayJQ)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 06, 2019, 01:44:30 AM
Even flat earthers know that Plat has no defensible position. Even Wise and Danang are not on hand to help defend his point.

Young man, go learn the theory you are trying to debunk.

Go learn to stay on point and not gish gallop all over the place.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 06, 2019, 02:35:46 AM
Did you know if your were transported to a spherical world that has the gravity actually expressed in your gravity theory, you wouldn't be able to walk? That's right, you would be down on all four's having to learn how to walk all over again. Funny but true!  That's for another week.
So rather than even try to respond to what I said in any honest rational manner you jut bring up more nonsense?
There is nothing funny or true about that.

Why wouldn't I be able to walk?
Can you make any kind of justification, or do you just have a baseless claim?

If the Globe Community really understood how their theory of gravity relates to this world they would alter it!
You mean if the FEers understood how it worked they would stop spouting the same nonsense.
Notice how you appeal to an equilibrium? The same would happen with a RE.
Do you understand hydro-static equilibrium?

Gravity is one force acting on the water.
That compresses the water.
This means the water is under pressure and thus pushes outwards in all directions.
That is one key part of why water flows to maintain its level, even without the top being connected.

The same applies here, with the pressure pushing the water out to the sides to have it spread.

So again, no problem with the RE here.

Gravity isn't a glue which prevents sideways motion, it is just a downwards force.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Apokalypt on August 06, 2019, 06:27:12 AM
I honestly think we should admit defeat.

I mean, the FE would be happy in their bubble, no one would be hurt, the earth would still remain round and everything works as intented. And then maybe in the future when space travel is more affordable and each of these FE could board a spaceship they will realise it... (altough I doubt that they would even trust their eyes....and still call fake or manipulation).

Also, we RE could just sit in our chairs and smile and live happy. As long as such people don`t run for president (I mean, Trump is already enough) or have important jobs etc. there is absolutely no problem.

In Swissgerman there is a famous phrasing "De Gschiider git nah, de Esel bliibt stah" ("The smarter gives in, the donkey stand still").
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 06, 2019, 11:13:07 AM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 06, 2019, 02:54:28 PM
I mean, the FE would be happy in their bubble, no one would be hurt, the earth would still remain round and everything works as intented.
Consider that people had the same idea with creationism in the US.
And look how that turned out.
You now have loads of people trying to force evolution out of schools and have people taught fantasy instead.

I wouldn't be surprised that if no one bothered opposing FE the same would happen.

All it takes for BS to triumph is for intelligent people to say nothing.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 06, 2019, 06:10:57 PM
I mean, the FE would be happy in their bubble, no one would be hurt, the earth would still remain round and everything works as intented.
Consider that people had the same idea with creationism in the US.
And look how that turned out.
You now have loads of people trying to force evolution out of schools and have people taught fantasy instead.

I wouldn't be surprised that if no one bothered opposing FE the same would happen.

All it takes for BS to triumph is for intelligent people to say nothing.
And, according to dutchy, more than 50% of people in the Netherlands now think that the moon landings are a hoax.
Then:
Quote from: Ellen Manning, Yahoo News UK, May 10, 2019
This is how many British people think the Earth is flat (https://news.yahoo.com/three-in-100-britons-think-the-earth-is-flat-143259242.html)
It’s possibly one of the wackiest conspiracy theories out there - yet a poll has revealed that 3% of Britons subscribe to the theory that the Earth is flat.

The YouGov survey showed that three in 100 Brits say the theory that the Earth is flat rather than round is ‘probably’ or ‘definitely’ true.

Just over nine out of ten (93%) believe it’s false, while 4% claim that they don’t know.

The theory was one of several conspiracy theories YouGov quizzed Brits about (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/is-britain-a-nation-of-conspiracy-theorists-132047011.html), including whether the moon landings were faked and whether the threat of climate change has been exaggerated.

The flat Earth theory was the least popular on the survey.
. . . . . . .
One on the most famous moments in history - the moon landing - is also the subject of a conspiracy theory, the poll revealed, with one in six Brits (16%) thinking it was ‘probably’ or definitely staged.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on August 06, 2019, 09:29:04 PM
The readers seeking truth know where you've been nailed, and that's what matters.  You even know where you've been nailed but can't admit it openly.

The readers who actually understand how things work are laughing at you, and that's what matters.  You even know why you're being laughed at, but can't admit it openly.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 07, 2019, 04:09:16 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 07, 2019, 04:11:55 PM
Re read what you just wrote.
Think about it.
Re read what marcos has told you about "above sea level".
Think some more...
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 07, 2019, 04:14:06 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

Water flows from higher potential energy to lower.

Lets say a river starts at 100 feet above sea level. The flow will seek out the least potential energy. This will take it to sea level, assuming nothing stops it.

Super easy concept when you realize you don't measure distances above sea level from a mine shaft deep underground.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 07, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

What are continents? They are the higher levels of mountains which begin at the sea floor, (depression areas).
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 07, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

Water flows from higher potential energy to lower.

Lets say a river starts at 100 feet above sea level. The flow will seek out the least potential energy. This will take it to sea level, assuming nothing stops it.

Super easy concept when you realize you don't measure distances above sea level from a mine shaft deep underground.

You are ignoring Spherical gravity and there is no sea level on a globe.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 07, 2019, 04:21:15 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

Water flows from higher potential energy to lower.

Lets say a river starts at 100 feet above sea level. The flow will seek out the least potential energy. This will take it to sea level, assuming nothing stops it.

Super easy concept when you realize you don't measure distances above sea level from a mine shaft deep underground.

There is no sea level on a globe.

When you understand the round earth model, you will see why that claim makes no sense.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 07, 2019, 04:23:38 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

Water flows from higher potential energy to lower.

Lets say a river starts at 100 feet above sea level. The flow will seek out the least potential energy. This will take it to sea level, assuming nothing stops it.

Super easy concept when you realize you don't measure distances above sea level from a mine shaft deep underground.

There is no sea level on a globe.

When you understand the round earth model, you will see why that claim makes no sense.

You are ignoring spherical gravity. Spherical gravity does not level mass.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 07, 2019, 04:49:15 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

Water flows from higher potential energy to lower.

Lets say a river starts at 100 feet above sea level. The flow will seek out the least potential energy. This will take it to sea level, assuming nothing stops it.

Super easy concept when you realize you don't measure distances above sea level from a mine shaft deep underground.

There is no sea level on a globe.

When you understand the round earth model, you will see why that claim makes no sense.

You are ignoring spherical gravity. Spherical gravity does not level mass.

Thats literally the definition of what it does.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 07, 2019, 04:59:50 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

What would pull those rivers in the direction you imagine here?
Why not towards the center of the Earth as it realy does?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 07, 2019, 05:11:08 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

What would pull those rivers in the direction you imagine here?
Why not towards the center of the Earth as it realy does?


The center of your sphere Earth is not the surface of the Oceans.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 07, 2019, 05:12:12 PM
As stated before, if Earth were a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" could not flood. Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and would easily flow over a curved surface, but it doesn't because of depressions.

Canals don’t curve, water doesn’t curve, water seeking it’s own level is not compatible with spherical gravity and horizontal and depression areas of the coastlines can’t meet with a spherical body of water. The Globe Community has yet of actually verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal. And now if one truly understands the effects of spherical gravity they would be able to see it’s not a part of this world.

(https://i.imgur.com/JxoDAYV.jpg)
---

Water seeking it's own level is not compatible with spherical gravity.

(https://i.imgur.com/qbHkWyC.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 07, 2019, 06:21:29 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

and you prove again only that you don't understand the subject.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 07, 2019, 07:05:51 PM
As stated before, if Earth were a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" could not flood. Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and would easily flow over a curved surface, but it doesn't because of depressions.

Canals don’t curve, water doesn’t curve, water seeking it’s own level is not compatible with spherical gravity and horizontal and depression areas of the coastlines can’t meet with a spherical body of water. The Globe Community has yet of actually verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal. And now if one truly understands the effects of spherical gravity they would be able to see it’s not a part of this world.

(https://i.imgur.com/JxoDAYV.jpg)
---

Water seeking it's own level is not compatible with spherical gravity.

(https://i.imgur.com/qbHkWyC.jpg)


South is not the same thing as down.

You are completely wrong, your memes are insane.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 07, 2019, 09:14:42 PM
So we're in agreement that the nile is fake news and cant possibly flow north?

Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere. It would be a much different world than what you see here.  Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass and eventually seep into the ground, unless its trapped in mountain areas with valleys leading to depression areas.

What would pull those rivers in the direction you imagine here?
Why not towards the center of the Earth as it realy does?


The center of your sphere Earth is not the surface of the Oceans.

Exactly !!!
The surface of the oceans is all around and the center is deep down inside the planet's core, in the middle.
And everything falls there from north pole, from south pole, from equator, from both tropics and from every other point at the surface.

The Earth's attraction force pulls it all towards the center and keeps it all together.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 07, 2019, 10:09:19 PM
As stated before, if Earth were a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" could not flood.
Incorrect!
All it means is that you do not understand the way gravity works. Gravity tends pull things toward the centre of the earth.
Yet you post silly memes like this:
Are you honestly incapable of understanding that "down" on the Globe is not always in the direction of down from the North Pole.
"Down" is the direction a plumb-bob will point when hanging freely and on the Globe that is almost exactly towards the centre of the earth from all places on earth.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlwxgk6pnubdtoy/Plat%20Terra%20Curve%20memes%20%231.jpg?dl=1)
So that ball picture of your is total rubbish because the surface of the Globe does not immediately slope down from the North Pole or anywhere else.

I've never met anyone so incapable of understand such a simple concept.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue against the Globe you must use the "Globe" explanation of the way things work.
If you disagree with those "Globe" explanations of the way things work then the onus is one you to prove your case against them and I've never once seen you do that.
I don't care how many times you state something because your stating something does not make it true.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and would easily flow over a curved surface, but it doesn't because of depressions.
Yes, "water in this world seeks it’s own level" and on the Globe that level is almost a perfect sphere.

Now you define what direction you think down is on the Globe. You seem to think down is in the direction from the North Pole to the South Pole.
But what would cause down to be in that particular direction?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Sunset on August 07, 2019, 10:40:31 PM
Plat, call me lazy or unimaginable if you will, but I've noticed you enjoy the language of "memes." Hence, instead of creating memes myself, the hard work has already been done. So here's three memes that perfectly illustrate the way water actually behaves because of gravity, on our planet: (is it cheating if I use these memes? ???) Oh, and I've included a diagram about gravity just for you..... ;D

Remember these three words: Observable, Repeatable, Measurable.  ;)

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/water-curvature.jpg)


(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/glass-of-water.jpg)


(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/mississippi.jpg)


(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/images/gracon.gif)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Apokalypt on August 07, 2019, 11:38:21 PM
What Plat Terra fails to realize is that the Earth is really big. No, Plat, the Earth isn`t just as big as you can see with your eyes.

According to your logic, a basketball, or any other kind of round thing, is actually flat:

(https://flatearth.ws/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/basketball-1.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Themightykabool on August 07, 2019, 11:39:50 PM
As stated before, if Earth were a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" could not flood. Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and would easily flow over a curved surface, but it doesn't because of depressions.

Canals don’t curve, water doesn’t curve, water seeking it’s own level is not compatible with spherical gravity and horizontal and depression areas of the coastlines can’t meet with a spherical body of water. The Globe Community has yet of actually verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal. And now if one truly understands the effects of spherical gravity they would be able to see it’s not a part of this world.

(https://i.imgur.com/JxoDAYV.jpg)
---

Water seeking it's own level is not compatible with spherical gravity.

(https://i.imgur.com/qbHkWyC.jpg)


South is not the same thing as down.

You are completely wrong, your memes are insane.


Ya...
Print off those blue level diagrams.
Take a pen.
Mark the "down" for all levels.
Straight down from lines of level.
Think about it.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: turtles on August 08, 2019, 12:59:18 AM
As stated before, if Earth were a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" could not flood. Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and would easily flow over a curved surface, but it doesn't because of depressions.

Canals don’t curve, water doesn’t curve, water seeking it’s own level is not compatible with spherical gravity and horizontal and depression areas of the coastlines can’t meet with a spherical body of water. The Globe Community has yet of actually verifying the alleged surface curvature of any landmass or canal. And now if one truly understands the effects of spherical gravity they would be able to see it’s not a part of this world.

(https://i.imgur.com/JxoDAYV.jpg)
---

Water seeking it's own level is not compatible with spherical gravity.

(https://i.imgur.com/qbHkWyC.jpg)

Haha, this thread is hysterical, Plat Terra, you crack me up. This stuff is so good it's got to be a Poe?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 08, 2019, 01:21:54 AM
In fact the earth is not the only ball with surface liquid in the solar system. Lakes of ethane and methane have been observed on Saturn's moon Titan.

Titan's lakes seem to curve along the curved surface just fine and there are no signs of titan losing methane due to rotation.

(https://i.imgur.com/8AIKgrg.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: rabinoz on August 08, 2019, 02:36:28 AM
As stated before,
I thought you needed a little help.

Since the Earth were is a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" can flood but not as readily as inland regions.

Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and follows the curved surface of the Globe, but water near the coast can drain out to sea more easily than inland regions.

Canals curve, water does curve, water seeking it’s own level is perfectly compatible with spherical gravity and level and depression areas of the coastlines can meet with a spherical body of water.

The Globe Community has verified the surface curvature of over landmasses and canals by measuring the curve and by demonstrating that the horizon always falls below eye-level over any level surface.

And now if one truly understands the effects of spherical gravity they would be able to see it’s perfectly compatible this world.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/7fqjyopxad1mabx/Plat%20Terra%27s%20Spherical%20Gravity%20is%20a%20Part%20of%20this%20World.jpg?dl=1)

Water seeking it's own level is compatible with spherical gravity.

(https://www.dropbox.com/s/u8hnxlr542b3ni2/Plat%20Terra%27s%20%27%27science%27%27%20fixed.jpg?dl=1)

No need to thank me.

By the way I'm waiting for an answer for:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3h1l1609bxk1x3/Plat%20Terra%20claiming%20Newton%20Falsified%20Moon%27s%20Rotation.jpg?dl=1)
Either prove that "Newton and others falsified the moon's rotation" or admit that you are making up fairy tales again.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 08, 2019, 05:10:39 AM
Rivers wouldn't flow to seas and oceans on a sphere.
I have already explained that that claim is BS.

Gravity isn't glue which magically holds the water in place.
Water flows on the real round Earth just like it would on a hypothetical flat Earth.
The only difference is the overall shape.

Spherical gravity would make water  seek its own spherical radius through gravity pulling to center of mass
i.e. if there is place, like in a river, where the water is higher, and it can flow along the river to get closer to the centre of mass, it would.

Gravity is not strong enough to cause Earth to become a perfect sphere, or even a perfect ellipsoid.
The ground is strong enough to mostly hold its shape.

Your next picture is yet another blatant lie.

Water levelling itself over Earth's curved surface is observable, measurable, repeatable and testable, just like the radius of Earth.
What isn't is the surface of water magically becoming flat or Earth being flat.

Again, Earth is not a tiny ball sitting on top of a much larger one like your experiment would require.

Again, REers aren't going to admit defeat just because you lie about reality.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 08:59:49 AM
As stated before, if Earth were a sphere, coastal regions at or near "sea curve" could not flood.
Incorrect!
All it means is that you do not understand the way gravity works. Gravity tends pull things toward the centre of the earth.
Yet you post silly memes like this:
Are you honestly incapable of understanding that "down" on the Globe is not always in the direction of down from the North Pole.
"Down" is the direction a plumb-bob will point when hanging freely and on the Globe that is almost exactly towards the centre of the earth from all places on earth.
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/xlwxgk6pnubdtoy/Plat%20Terra%20Curve%20memes%20%231.jpg?dl=1)
So that ball picture of your is total rubbish because the surface of the Globe does not immediately slope down from the North Pole or anywhere else.

I've never met anyone so incapable of understand such a simple concept.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue against the Globe you must use the "Globe" explanation of the way things work.
If you disagree with those "Globe" explanations of the way things work then the onus is one you to prove your case against them and I've never once seen you do that.
I don't care how many times you state something because your stating something does not make it true.

Quote from: Plat Terra
Why? Because the water in this world seeks it’s own level and would easily flow over a curved surface, but it doesn't because of depressions.
Yes, "water in this world seeks it’s own level" and on the Globe that level is almost a perfect sphere.

Now you define what direction you think down is on the Globe. You seem to think down is in the direction from the North Pole to the South Pole.
But what would cause down to be in that particular direction?

You're the one that replied with this 
Quote
1. The downward force you have labelled with the red arrow could be placed along any line pointed at the centre of the earth.
So it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction.


So I said, "You mean like this?" and posted three links to memes I made expressing your words. "it would take no significant sideways force to start it rolling in either direction." Now you disagree with your own words.  That's not my problem. You should be arguing with yourself.

I stand by the facts observed on this Earth. The theory of spherical gravity is not a part of this Earth.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 09:06:24 AM
As stated before,


By the way I'm waiting for an answer for:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3h1l1609bxk1x3/Plat%20Terra%20claiming%20Newton%20Falsified%20Moon%27s%20Rotation.jpg?dl=1)
Either prove that "Newton and others falsified the moon's rotation" or admit that you are making up fairy tales again.

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

The bottom line is that if you want to argue the Globe you must use the the facts and observations of this world.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
As stated before,


By the way I'm waiting for an answer for:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3h1l1609bxk1x3/Plat%20Terra%20claiming%20Newton%20Falsified%20Moon%27s%20Rotation.jpg?dl=1)
Either prove that "Newton and others falsified the moon's rotation" or admit that you are making up fairy tales again.

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?
Have FE'ers even charted the moon's directional path?  If they did, then they should have noticed that the sun and moon travel in the same general direction, but not in the exact same path.

The bottom line is that if you want to argue the Globe you must use the the facts and observations of this world.
The same is true if you want to argue for the flat earth.  Too bad for you that the paths of the sun and moon are much easier to explain for a globe earth than for a flat earth.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 08, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
I'm sure plat understands that the moon orbits on a path tilted in relation to Earth's equator. Combined with the rotation of the globe, why would he expect it to follow the same path as the sun in our sky?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 09:42:13 AM
I'm sure plat understands that the moon orbits on a path tilted in relation to Earth's equator. Combined with the rotation of the globe, why would he expect it to follow the same path as the sun in our sky?

If the Moon, Planets and stars orbit on a plane, why can't the Sun orbit on a plane and all orbit above a Plane Earth? It's possible, right?

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 08, 2019, 09:59:27 AM
As stated before,


By the way I'm waiting for an answer for:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3h1l1609bxk1x3/Plat%20Terra%20claiming%20Newton%20Falsified%20Moon%27s%20Rotation.jpg?dl=1)
Either prove that "Newton and others falsified the moon's rotation" or admit that you are making up fairy tales again.

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

The bottom line is that if you want to argue the Globe you must use the the facts and observations of this world.

Ofcourse it does.
All stars in the celestial equatorial belt also folow the same path.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In the picture below we can assume that your gray parts are the Earth.

In that case we have red lines that show where is "down".
The length of the red lines show how high is the water surface at which place.

Yes, water will tend to equalize those heights
and the final result will be equal height of all parts
and equal length of all red lines.


(https://i.resimyukle.xyz/by56GL.png)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
As stated before,


By the way I'm waiting for an answer for:
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/a3h1l1609bxk1x3/Plat%20Terra%20claiming%20Newton%20Falsified%20Moon%27s%20Rotation.jpg?dl=1)
Either prove that "Newton and others falsified the moon's rotation" or admit that you are making up fairy tales again.

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

The bottom line is that if you want to argue the Globe you must use the the facts and observations of this world.

Ofcourse it does.
All stars in the celestial equatorial belt also folow the same path.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Can you give a response that directly applies to the following?

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 08, 2019, 10:27:39 AM
Can you give a response that directly applies to the following?

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

I mean I can go outside and see the Sun, Moon and celestial tropical belt stars go the same way. They all go from east to west.

Does this wording satisfy your demand? :)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 10:42:52 AM
Can you give a response that directly applies to the following?

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

I mean I can go outside and see the Sun, Moon and celestial tropical belt stars go the same way. They all go from east to west.

Does this wording satisfy your demand? :)

That's better. You included the words "Moon, East and West" in a reply to a question I asked. Thank you.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 11:01:30 AM
This question is asked of all here who believe Earth is a Sphere of any type. This all has to do with a reply Rabinoz posted to me.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 11:15:04 AM
Setting sun

Ships and other objects over horizon

Chemistry

Physics


Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 08, 2019, 11:17:10 AM
I see the curvature of the Earth get in the way of my view of the sun nearly every evening....

I've seen Hilton Head island disappear over the horizon on calm clear days en rout to Betsy Ross Reef for fishing trips, then watch it rise up again on my way back.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
Setting sun

Ships and other objects over horizon

Chemistry

Physics

Surface of this Earth. Please.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 11:19:26 AM
What about the surface of the earth?

Why doesn’t the atmosphere fall off the edge of the earth?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: frenat on August 08, 2019, 11:50:26 AM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 12:13:28 PM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.

Surface of this Earth. Please.

Clouds lit from underneath is a good point. But explained easily.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 08, 2019, 12:17:28 PM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.

Surface of this Earth. Please.

Distance between points on earth and how you obtained it, start with Miami to Boston. Please.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Crutchwater on August 08, 2019, 12:19:59 PM
Careful guys...

I think he's setting us up for another meme assault!
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 12:28:48 PM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.

Surface of this Earth. Please.

Distance between points on earth and how you obtained it, start with Miami to Boston. Please.

I am sure people driving there cars from Miami to Boston have verified the claimed mileage many times. But have you verified the claimed surface curvature of Florida? No one has.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
Says clouds lit from below is easily explained.

Doesn’t explain it.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 12:31:39 PM
Says clouds lit from below is easily explained.

Doesn’t explain it.

Give me an example.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 12:34:02 PM
Says clouds lit from below is easily explained.

Doesn’t explain it.

Give me an example.
You need an example for something you said was easily explainable?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 12:35:26 PM
Says clouds lit from below is easily explained.

Doesn’t explain it.

Give me an example.
You need an example for something you said was easily explainable?
Yes, and to make my point.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 12:38:04 PM
That’s not a thing.

Clearly you lied and can’t explain it.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: markjo on August 08, 2019, 12:39:22 PM
Setting sun

Ships and other objects over horizon

Chemistry

Physics

Surface of this Earth. Please.
Rockets launched into space from the surface of this earth.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 12:47:06 PM
Setting sun

Ships and other objects over horizon

Chemistry

Physics

Surface of this Earth. Please.
Rockets launched into space from the surface of this earth.

Not good enough. Surface of this Earth.

BTW, rockets are launched from the surface of this Plane Earth all the time, but that does not mean it's a sphere.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on August 08, 2019, 12:52:18 PM
This question is asked of all here who believe Earth is a Sphere of any type. This all has to do with a reply Rabinoz posted to me.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?
The horizon and things disappearing from the bottom up beyond it.
The horizon below eye level as one increases elevation.
Known elevations of distant hills appearing below closer hills/objects of the same elevation when viewed along a straight line of sight from that same elevation.
Level stretches of bridges or powerlines curving over a distance.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 12:59:21 PM
Still wondering how the atmosphere doesn’t fall off the plane.

Still wondering how a clouds are lit from the bottom.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 08, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.

Surface of this Earth. Please.

Distance between points on earth and how you obtained it, start with Miami to Boston. Please.

I am sure people driving there cars from Miami to Boston have verified the claimed mileage many times. But have you verified the claimed surface curvature of Florida? No one has.

I'm asking you what the distance is, as the crow flies.

I haven't personally verified the curvature of various parts of Florida, but these people have:

From the Florida Administrative Code & Administrative Register:

https://www.flrules.org

CHAPTER 5J-17

BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL SURVEYORS AND MAPPERS

5J-17.050 Minimum Technical Standards: Definitions.


As used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:

(3) Geodetic: a survey or mapping process that takes into account the curvature of the earth and astronomic observations, and which results in positions expressed on a recognized datum.
(4) Map of Survey (or Survey Map): a graphical or digital depiction of the facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location determined by a survey. The term “Map of Survey” (Survey Map) includes the terms: Sketch of Survey, Plat of Survey, or other similar titles. “Map of Survey” or “Survey Map” may also be referred to as “a map” or “the map.”
(10) Survey: the orderly process of determining facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location by viewing and applying direct measurement of features on or near the earth’s surface using field or image methods; defined as follows according to the type of data obtained, the methods used, and the purpose(s) to be served

5J-17.052 Minimum Technical Standards: Specific Survey, Map, and Report Requirements.

(4) Control Survey:

(a) Geodetic Control Surveys: When applicable, all geodetic control surveys, both vertical and horizontal, shall conform to the Standards and Specifications for Geodetic Control Networks (1984) as set forth by the Federal Geodetic Control Committee (FGCC), which Standards and Specifications are incorporated herein by reference, effective 5-13-96, and the Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Parts 1, 2, and 3, FGDC-STD-007.1-1998, entitled “Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Part 2: Standards for Geodetic Networks”, and FGDC-STD-007.3-1998, entitled “Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Part 3: National Standard for Spatial Data Accuracy”, which are hereby incorporated by reference, effective 5-18-00, copies of which may be obtained via the internet web site (http://fgdc.gov/standards_publications/). No use of the terminology of these standards may be made without completely adopting and following all the standards in their entirety. When these standards are not employed, then a survey, map, or report shall explain applicable standards used in the geodetic control survey. All geodetic control survey maps or reports shall show the horizontal and vertical datum used and shall contain adequate graphical or written descriptions of the locations, construction and marking of all marks used or set and shall explain methods employed in the survey and adjustment.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
This question is asked of all here who believe Earth is a Sphere of any type. This all has to do with a reply Rabinoz posted to me.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?
The horizon and things disappearing from the bottom up beyond it.
The horizon below eye level as one increases elevation.
Known elevations of distant hills appearing below closer hills/objects of the same elevation when viewed along a straight line of sight from that same elevation.

Good points.

Surface mirages can obscure the bottom part of a boat on a humid day.

Atmospheric condition can give the appearance of a lower horizon, while blocking the horizon.

Perspective. Even a taller mountain off in a distance is going to appear smaller than closer ones, even on a Plane Earth. 

But none of this proves Earth's surface is curved.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 01:16:07 PM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.

Surface of this Earth. Please.

Distance between points on earth and how you obtained it, start with Miami to Boston. Please.

I am sure people driving there cars from Miami to Boston have verified the claimed mileage many times. But have you verified the claimed surface curvature of Florida? No one has.

I'm asking you what the distance is, as the crow flies.

I haven't personally verified the curvature of various parts of Florida, but these people have:

From the Florida Administrative Code & Administrative Register:

https://www.flrules.org

CHAPTER 5J-17

BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL SURVEYORS AND MAPPERS

5J-17.050 Minimum Technical Standards: Definitions.


As used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:

(3) Geodetic: a survey or mapping process that takes into account the curvature of the earth and astronomic observations, and which results in positions expressed on a recognized datum.
(4) Map of Survey (or Survey Map): a graphical or digital depiction of the facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location determined by a survey. The term “Map of Survey” (Survey Map) includes the terms: Sketch of Survey, Plat of Survey, or other similar titles. “Map of Survey” or “Survey Map” may also be referred to as “a map” or “the map.”
(10) Survey: the orderly process of determining facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location by viewing and applying direct measurement of features on or near the earth’s surface using field or image methods; defined as follows according to the type of data obtained, the methods used, and the purpose(s) to be served

5J-17.052 Minimum Technical Standards: Specific Survey, Map, and Report Requirements.

(4) Control Survey:

(a) Geodetic Control Surveys: When applicable, all geodetic control surveys, both vertical and horizontal, shall conform to the Standards and Specifications for Geodetic Control Networks (1984) as set forth by the Federal Geodetic Control Committee (FGCC), which Standards and Specifications are incorporated herein by reference, effective 5-13-96, and the Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Parts 1, 2, and 3, FGDC-STD-007.1-1998, entitled “Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Part 2: Standards for Geodetic Networks”, and FGDC-STD-007.3-1998, entitled “Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Part 3: National Standard for Spatial Data Accuracy”, which are hereby incorporated by reference, effective 5-18-00, copies of which may be obtained via the internet web site (http://fgdc.gov/standards_publications/). No use of the terminology of these standards may be made without completely adopting and following all the standards in their entirety. When these standards are not employed, then a survey, map, or report shall explain applicable standards used in the geodetic control survey. All geodetic control survey maps or reports shall show the horizontal and vertical datum used and shall contain adequate graphical or written descriptions of the locations, construction and marking of all marks used or set and shall explain methods employed in the survey and adjustment.

I didn't say "various parts of Florida"  I said Florida as in it's entire length and width. What is the verified surface curvature of Florida? And does it conform to a 3959 mile radius?

I am sure pilots have also verified the claims of mileage.   
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Stash on August 08, 2019, 01:19:04 PM
Ships and land over the horizon that can NOT be brought back with telescopes or binoculars but CAN with a simple increase in elevation.

Radio and RADAR from ground and airborne platforms that has a range predicted simply by the height of the emitter and can't be increased with an increase in power.

Stars rotating around BOTH the Northern and Southern celestial poles.

Rising and setting Sun

Clouds lit from underneath during Sunrise and Sunset

A horizon that does NOT rise to eye level.

Surface of this Earth. Please.

Distance between points on earth and how you obtained it, start with Miami to Boston. Please.

I am sure people driving there cars from Miami to Boston have verified the claimed mileage many times. But have you verified the claimed surface curvature of Florida? No one has.

I'm asking you what the distance is, as the crow flies.

I haven't personally verified the curvature of various parts of Florida, but these people have:

From the Florida Administrative Code & Administrative Register:

https://www.flrules.org

CHAPTER 5J-17

BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL SURVEYORS AND MAPPERS

5J-17.050 Minimum Technical Standards: Definitions.


As used in this chapter, the following terms have the following meanings:

(3) Geodetic: a survey or mapping process that takes into account the curvature of the earth and astronomic observations, and which results in positions expressed on a recognized datum.
(4) Map of Survey (or Survey Map): a graphical or digital depiction of the facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location determined by a survey. The term “Map of Survey” (Survey Map) includes the terms: Sketch of Survey, Plat of Survey, or other similar titles. “Map of Survey” or “Survey Map” may also be referred to as “a map” or “the map.”
(10) Survey: the orderly process of determining facts of size, shape, identity, geodetic location, or legal location by viewing and applying direct measurement of features on or near the earth’s surface using field or image methods; defined as follows according to the type of data obtained, the methods used, and the purpose(s) to be served

5J-17.052 Minimum Technical Standards: Specific Survey, Map, and Report Requirements.

(4) Control Survey:

(a) Geodetic Control Surveys: When applicable, all geodetic control surveys, both vertical and horizontal, shall conform to the Standards and Specifications for Geodetic Control Networks (1984) as set forth by the Federal Geodetic Control Committee (FGCC), which Standards and Specifications are incorporated herein by reference, effective 5-13-96, and the Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Parts 1, 2, and 3, FGDC-STD-007.1-1998, entitled “Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Part 2: Standards for Geodetic Networks”, and FGDC-STD-007.3-1998, entitled “Geospatial Positioning Accuracy Standards Part 3: National Standard for Spatial Data Accuracy”, which are hereby incorporated by reference, effective 5-18-00, copies of which may be obtained via the internet web site (http://fgdc.gov/standards_publications/). No use of the terminology of these standards may be made without completely adopting and following all the standards in their entirety. When these standards are not employed, then a survey, map, or report shall explain applicable standards used in the geodetic control survey. All geodetic control survey maps or reports shall show the horizontal and vertical datum used and shall contain adequate graphical or written descriptions of the locations, construction and marking of all marks used or set and shall explain methods employed in the survey and adjustment.

I didn't say "various parts of Florida"  I said Florida as in it's entire length and width. What is the verified surface curvature of Florida? And does it conform to a 3959 mile radius?

Ask the Florida BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL SURVEYORS AND MAPPERS as referenced above. You asked if anyone has measured earth's curvature with respect to Florida. They have and do. Give them a call.

I am sure pilots have also verified the claims of mileage.

No I asked you. How would you look up the distance?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: sokarul on August 08, 2019, 01:23:28 PM
This question is asked of all here who believe Earth is a Sphere of any type. This all has to do with a reply Rabinoz posted to me.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?
The horizon and things disappearing from the bottom up beyond it.
The horizon below eye level as one increases elevation.
Known elevations of distant hills appearing below closer hills/objects of the same elevation when viewed along a straight line of sight from that same elevation.

Good points.

Surface mirages can obscure the bottom part of a boat on a humid day.

Atmospheric condition can give the appearance of a lower horizon, while blocking the horizon.

Perspective. Even a taller mountain off in a distance is going to appear smaller than closer ones, even on a Plane Earth. 

But none of this proves Earth's surface is curved.

If it’s atmospheric conditions why does the Toronto skyline sign show it as permanent?

Is there miraging 24/7/365?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z3MA-VRdnM8/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: 29silhouette on August 08, 2019, 01:50:32 PM
Surface mirages can obscure the bottom part of a boat on a humid day.

Atmospheric condition can give the appearance of a lower horizon, while blocking the horizon.
While I have seen a timelapse taken from close to the surface of the horizon moving up or down slightly due to shifting temperature layers, it is not blocked.
In conditions with no, or very little, mirage or refraction, the entire object is apparently lowered toward the horizon with the bottom obscured.  One can then raise their viewing elevation and see the obscured parts.  The parts of the object however that are well above the horizon are not distorted like lower areas that are affected by the mirage or refraction.  This fits the globe, not the flat Earth.

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Perspective. Even a taller mountain off in a distance is going to appear smaller than closer ones, even on a Plane Earth.
I'm not talking about them appearing smaller, I'm talking about points at a specific elevation appearing below a straight line of sight along that same elevation. 

Along a straight line of sight, things below that line of sight appear to rise to it as distance is increased, and things above it appear to lower to it as distance is increased.  Do you agree with that statement?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: JackBlack on August 08, 2019, 02:17:14 PM
I stand by the facts observed on this Earth.
So that Earth is round and gravity is real?

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path?
Relative to what?
If you sit on a merry go round, does Earth spin around you while you remain stationary?
When you are in a car driving along a highway, is the car still while Earth flies backwards?

From many experiments we know that Earth rotates roughly once every 23 hours and 56 minutes.
This matches the apparent motion of the stars.
We know that we also orbit the sun, giving the sun the last of its 24 hour period.
We know that the moon orbits Earth.

All of this is 100% consistent with observations.

orbit on a plane and all orbit above a Plane Earth? It's possible, right?
Will there would be nothing for it to orbit around, so there goes the orbit part.
In order to have it match the sub solar point, it also couldn't be an orbit because it would have to change radius as a back and forth spiral, with the speed of its motion being greater at greater radii (so nothing like an elliptical orbit).

But then there is also the simple fact that all celestial objects are not visible from everywhere on Earth.
For example, excluding regions inside the Arctic and Antarctic circle at summer or winter, the sun is observed to go below the horizon.
For a FE, that requires it to go below Earth. But then it is still visible above another location.
Polaris is only visible in the northern hemisphere.
That requires it to be below Earth for the southern hemisphere and above it for the northern hemisphere.

This simply does not work. So no, it isn't possible.
These are the kind of observations you need to deal with to support a FE. These are the observations you need to deal with if you want to have any kind of chance of defeating RET.

The only way for it to work is for Earth to be round.
That gives each location a unique "above" and "below" direction, so the a celestial object can be "below" the ground for one location while being above another.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?
The horizon, and the behaviour of objects near the horizon.
But why limit it to just the surface.
The behaviour of celestial objects also proves Earth is round.

Then there are things like laser ring gyroscopes and Foucault's pendulum and large scale weather systems that not only show Earth is round, but also that it is rotating.


Clouds lit from underneath is a good point. But explained easily.
Only by the sun literally being below them.
i.e. the ancient FE, incompatible with so many observations, or a RE.

What have you observed that proves Earth is flat?
So far all I have seen you do is appeal to ignorance and claim lies about how a RE should/does work.

There is so much that points to a RE, but literally nothing that points to a FE.
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 08, 2019, 02:27:34 PM
This group of people verifying the earth's curvature on a land mass has been posted earlier in this thread:
(https://i.imgur.com/Agpx8qr.jpg)
source: http://www.nmsr.org/flatter2.htm

Maybe Plat can explain what weather condition or magic perspective causes a  10,000 feet mountain to appear below eye level  when seen from a 7,000 feet mountain
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: SpaceCadet on August 08, 2019, 02:40:45 PM
Plat, you are a liar and a poe.

You have asked for evidence and veen provided with it only to dismiss them with no basis.

So let me ask you poe.

Where is YOUR evidence for a flat earth? Not a debunk of the globe. Evidence FOR a flat earth?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: kopfverderber on August 08, 2019, 03:53:12 PM
Discussing FE against non-believers, Rule n.1: Never show any evidence of FE, it could be proven wrong. Focus on attacking RE.

Clouds lit from underneath is a good point. But explained easily.


Yes please explain.

(https://i.imgur.com/AAxaQWQ.jpg)
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Plat Terra on August 08, 2019, 05:05:35 PM
Discussing FE against non-believers, Rule n.1: Never show any evidence of FE, it could be proven wrong. Focus on attacking RE.

Clouds lit from underneath is a good point. But explained easily.


Yes please explain.

(https://i.imgur.com/AAxaQWQ.jpg)

What's the location, and what do you think is a logical explanation if Earth isn't curved?
Title: Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
Post by: Macarios on August 08, 2019, 05:15:33 PM
Can you give a response that directly applies to the following?

You mean you can't walk outside and observe the Moons directional path? Does it go in the same direction as the Sun?

I mean I can go outside and see the Sun, Moon and celestial tropical belt stars go the same way. They all go from east to west.

Does this wording satisfy your demand? :)

That's better. You included the words "Moon, East and West" in a reply to a question I asked. Thank you.

Speaking of the surface of this Earth, what have you observed that proves to you Earth is a sphere?

Sunrise due east and sunset due west for each equinox.
Observed from:
Doha, Qatar - 25 degrees north
Winston-Salem, NC - 36 degrees north
Ohrid, Macedonia - 41 degrees north
Belgrade, Serbia - 45 degrees north
Frankfurt, Germany - 50 degrees north

Constant sun and moon angular diameter through the day.
Constant angular speed of celestial bodies through day.

Apparent horizon dip grows with altitude.
Horizon distance grows with altitude.

Measured distance to the Moon myself,
once in late 70s using 432 MHz radio waves,
once couple of years ago using sextant and lunar parallax.
Both times the result was somewhat over 380 000 kilometers.

Hills and buildings hidden more or less behind horizon when I change floor in tall building.
In hotel at sea shore horizon gets farther when I climb higher, and I see more or less
at the same moment of a day without waiting for refraction to change.

Shadow of horizon for sunset crawls up on building or hill behind me,
for sunrise on other building or hill crawls down.

Rayleigh scattering gives twilight at dawn and dusk.

There are many other things, too lazy to list them.
Title: Re: