It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Let me ask you a question now

Does rocket fuel have mass?

Or just keep pending your pants.

'Pending' my pants?

Are you practising your Gibberish on me?

I've already told you I don't speak it...

Do you know what the Continuum Assumption is btw?

I know you won't be able to spell it; but at least try to find out what it implies...

Does rocket fuel have mass?

Is the fuel inside the rocket?

If so, please read this:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then stop spamming irrelevancies.

Toodle-pip, Trolls!

Quote from: sokarul on November 24, 2015, 07:11:41 AM

Or just keep pending your pants.

'Pending' my pants?

Are you practising your Gibberish on me?

I've already told you I don't speak it...

Do you know what the Continuum Assumption is btw?

I know you won't be able to spell it; but at least try to find out what it implies...

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on November 24, 2015, 07:12:39 AM

Does rocket fuel have mass?

Is the fuel inside the rocket?

If so, please read this:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then stop spamming irrelevancies.

Toodle-pip, Trolls!

Are you too young or too poor to own a smart phone?

Are you too young or too poor to own a smart phone?

I am neither; I just know how to spell.

Unlike you.

Now; are you too illiterate to understand what the continuum assumption is?

Or has the dog eaten your homework on the subject?

To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions.

Is the fuel inside the rocket?

rocket fuel has mass at any location in the universe.

Okay. Lets ask it this way.
Saturn V
 - Empty mass - 40 000 kg - Object A
 - Fuel Mass - 2,730,000 kg - Object B

Now what do you think would happen to Object A if Object B pushed againstObject A?

Use your newton that you like to quote

seriously, Im done with this now. There are kids in Syria that have more hope than PL

Quote from: sokarul on November 24, 2015, 08:02:22 AM

Are you too young or too poor to own a smart phone?

I am neither; I just know how to spell.

Unlike you.

Now; are you too illiterate to understand what the continuum assumption is?

Or has the dog eaten your homework on the subject?

"Pending" wasn't spelled correctly? How is it spelled?

Saturn V
 - Empty mass - 40 000 kg - Object A
 - Fuel Mass - 2,730,000 kg - Object B

Now what do you think would happen to Object A if Object B pushed againstObject A?

So, in your crazed world the Saturn V was EMPTY when it's fuel was ignited, then ALL the fuel pushed against it at once, from outside?

I don't see your point here...

However, as the Saturn V was entirely Fake, & promoting discussion of Fake data is Shill-Tactics 101, I won't be wasting any time worrying about it.

So enjoy pondering the fate of Syrian children; you won't be missed...

Toodle-pip, Losers!

Oh, & sock-arul: nobody cares.

Destroyed once again.

Also he just destroyed you.

Destroyed once again.
Also he just destroyed you.

What a truly bizarre & psychotic little thing you are...

So; YOU 'destroyed' me through Bad Grammar, & MaNaeSwolf 'destroyed' me through Bad Science?

Oookay...

Now; back to the point:

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

Any answers?

P. S.  The rocket fuel gets pumped to the nozzle and ignited.  It is,  outside of the rocket when it ignites.  If they ignite the fuel inside the rocket it explodes.

Quote from: sokarul on November 24, 2015, 08:37:40 AM

Destroyed once again.
Also he just destroyed you.

What a truly bizarre & psychotic little thing you are...

So; YOU 'destroyed' me through Bad Grammar, & MaNaeSwolf 'destroyed' me through Bad Science?

Oookay...

Now; back to the point:

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

Any answers?

Where was the bad grammar?

Quote from: sokarul on November 24, 2015, 08:37:40 AM

Destroyed once again.
Also he just destroyed you.

What a truly bizarre & psychotic little thing you are...

So; YOU 'destroyed' me through Bad Grammar, & MaNaeSwolf 'destroyed' me through Bad Science?

Oookay...

Now; back to the point:

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

Any answers?

So using your definition a rocket consists of one object until the turbopumps pump the fuel and oxidiser into the combustion chamber. At this point the fuel and oxidiser are no longer 'constrained to move together' with the rocket and can be considered a separate object as they can exit through the nozzle if the rocket is accelerated in anyway. the fuel and oxidiser will then be ignited and will strike the inside of the combustion chamber and will according to Newtons third push the rocket forward and be pushed out of the rocket as two objects (in reality many billions of objects).

What kind of pressure is this supposed rocket fuel under when it's released and also what operates the supposed turbo pumps that also apparently pump it into the chamber and also how thick are the pipes that channel this fuel mix to the  supposed, combustion chamber?

Assume we are dealing with the fictional Saturn V.
You're allowed to answer whilst calling me names and such as long as you give me some answers.

Are you incapable of looking it up yourself?

What kind of pressure is this supposed rocket fuel under when it's released and also what operates the supposed turbo pumps that also apparently pump it into the chamber and also how thick are the pipes that channel this fuel mix to the  supposed, combustion chamber?

Assume we are dealing with the fictional Saturn V.
You're allowed to answer whilst calling me names and such as long as you give me some answers.

The turbo pumps were powered by siphoning off a portion of the fuel and oxidiser mix. I couldn't quote the exit pressures do the thickness of the pipes. Why does that matter?

seriously, Im done with this now.

Then why have you returned?

Liar much?

Where was the bad grammar?

Nobody cares, psycho.

So using your definition a rocket consists of one object until the turbopumps pump the fuel and oxidiser into the combustion chamber. At this point the fuel and oxidiser are no longer 'constrained to move together' with the rocket and can be considered a separate object

INCORRECT.

At this point, the rocket can be considered as ONE object that is using internally stored energy to Create a Force (Newton's 2nd).

Without a second, extrinsic object with which to create an action/reaction pairing (Newton's 3rd), no motion can be produced.

Look:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Body One: Rocket.

Body Two: ?

We've been here before, shpayze-cultists; with no external body to react against, a rocket will go Nowhere.

And, as a Vacuum is the very definition of No body to react against, you got big problems...

Of course, you will never accept this; because it is not your Job to do so.

Thus; Carry On Lying!

Quote from: Mainframes on November 24, 2015, 09:48:09 AM

So using your definition a rocket consists of one object until the turbopumps pump the fuel and oxidiser into the combustion chamber. At this point the fuel and oxidiser are no longer 'constrained to move together' with the rocket and can be considered a separate object

INCORRECT.

At this point, the rocket can be considered as ONE object that is using internally stored energy to Create a Force (Newton's 2nd).

Without a second, extrinsic object with which to create an action/reaction pairing (Newton's 3rd), no motion can be produced.

Look:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Body One: Rocket.

Body Two: ?

We've been here before, shpayze-cultists; with no external body to react against, a rocket will go Nowhere.

A person is sitting on a skateboard and is holding a medicine ball. 

Person + skateboard + medicine ball =  one physical body.

Person sitting on a skateboard throws medicine ball and is propelled backwards.

Person + skateboard = one physical body.  Medicine ball = second physical body.

Context yet again eludes Papa Legba.

LOL!!!

I got just the thread for you, markjo...

Sit tight while I go fetch it!

Plus, here's what i wrote on the subject months ago on this very thread.

You Raown derfers have such short memories; no wonder you're so easily fooled!

A rocket & its exhaust are NOT Object A & Object B in a Newton 3 scenario; it is clear to a child that they both move together & are part of the same thing.

The combustED gases may trail off; but the combustING gases stay with the rocket at all times.

Again; a child can tell the difference between SMOKE & FIRE.

But you lot can not...

LOL!!!

As previously stated, the 'man on skateboard' FALSE rocketry analogy is clearly more suited to describing the recoil from a gun.

Thus, the ball (Object A), represents the projectile; the skateboard (Object B) represents the gun; & the man, in THRUSTING or APPLYING PRESSURE/FORCE upon the ball represents the propulsive charge (i.e. gunpowder or such).

See? Simple eh?

But a Rocket is not a gun, nor does it fire cannon balls; so let me fix your dumb analogy so it is more fitting to rocket propulsion.

Instead of having the man on his skateboard throw a ball, simply have him reach down & begin pushing himself backwards along the ground with his hands.

Thus, he will be interacting directly with the mass of the medium upon which he moves.

Just like a rocket exhaust does with the atmosphere.

Just like a rowing boat does with the water.

Just like the wheels of a car do with the road.

It will also be seen from my example that the velocity of the man on skateboard can NEVER exceed the velocity at which his arms are pushing on the ground.

Same goes for the boat & its oars.

Same goes for a car & its wheels.

& the same goes for a rocket & its exhaust.

It is all VERY simple, you know; Newton's 3rd is.

 A child can see it.

Yet you cannot.

Why?

Who cares?

But if you disagree, please provide easily-verifiable evidence & simple experiments to support your case.

Incorrect.

Yeah, whatever...

Then there's this, too:

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

Any answers?


Oh, & let's not forget sceptimatic's questions that you all bailed out of answering; here they are again:

What kind of pressure is this supposed rocket fuel under when it's released and also what operates the supposed turbo pumps that also apparently pump it into the chamber and also how thick are the pipes that channel this fuel mix to the  supposed, combustion chamber?

Assume we are dealing with the fictional Saturn V.
You're allowed to answer whilst calling me names and such as long as you give me some answers.

Gutless bunch ain't you?

I await your shitpost non-responses with keen disgust!

Toodle-pip, Cowards!

Once the fuel and oxidiser have been pumped into the combustion chamber they are no longer constrained to love with the rocket. They can drain out of the chamber. By the definition you keep quoting this means they are now a spectate object to the rocket and free to utilise Newtons 3rd.

and free to utilise Newtons 3rd.

LOL!!!

Are you still pretending you know anything about Newtonian mechanics?

Look what you said earlier today:

What is an object....?

And look what took me 1 minute to find on wikipedia:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Just GTFO; you have ZERO credibility in this 'debate'.

& take your shitposting sock-puppet 'sokarul' with you.

Lest we forget, here is Walter 'mainframes' Mitty's understanding on Newton's 3rd; note his use of sokarul's favourite word 'destroyed' too:

You come nowhere near winning that debate, in fact you got destroyed.

You do not need something to push off to move. You only need to develop a force on a mass. This is why you don't understand Newtons 3rd, or even 1st and 2nd.

Who cares what the origin of the word space is. It doesn't change what is present and what its properties are.

& here is my original reply, showing that I pointed out his schoolboy error at the time:

LOL!!!

Here is how ignorant you are of Newton's laws:

Quote from: Mainframes on September 24, 2015, 07:20:02 AM

You do not need something to push off to move. You only need to develop a force on a mass.

But how does www.thephysicsclassroom.com describe a 'force' in its section on Newton's laws?

'A force is a push or a pull that acts upon an object as a result of its interaction with another object.'

So; 'to develop a force on a mass' IS THE SAME THING AS 'to develop a push on a mass'.

The whole farrago can be viewed on pages 167-170 of this thread.

Yet he just won't stop spamming & lying to us about this subject, despite it being proven tthat he knows Nothing...

Why?

Because that is clearly his Job.

Neutrals be Warned.

Lest we forget, here is Walter 'mainframes' Mitty's understanding on Newton's 3rd; note his use of sokarul's favourite word 'destroyed' too:

Quote from: Mainframes on September 24, 2015, 07:20:02 AM

You come nowhere near winning that debate, in fact you got destroyed.

You do not need something to push off to move. You only need to develop a force on a mass. This is why you don't understand Newtons 3rd, or even 1st and 2nd.

Who cares what the origin of the word space is. It doesn't change what is present and what its properties are.

& here is my original reply, showing that I pointed out his schoolboy error at the time:

Quote from: Papa Legba on September 28, 2015, 08:15:40 AM

LOL!!!

Here is how ignorant you are of Newton's laws:

Quote from: Mainframes on September 24, 2015, 07:20:02 AM

You do not need something to push off to move. You only need to develop a force on a mass.

But how does www.thephysicsclassroom.com describe a 'force' in its section on Newton's laws?

'A force is a push or a pull that acts upon an object as a result of its interaction with another object.'

So; 'to develop a force on a mass' IS THE SAME THING AS 'to develop a push on a mass'.

The whole farrago can be viewed on pages 167-170 of this thread.

Yet he just won't stop spamming & lying to us about this subject, despite it being proven tthat he knows Nothing...

Why?

Because that is clearly his Job.

Neutrals be Warned.

Still not prepared to reference links?

If I need to reference links to concepts that are covered in High School Physics you Raown Derfers are really in trouble!

Besides, describing things in my own words seems so much more... Honest, you know?

Whatever; nice shitpost, shpayzhe-tard!

If I need to reference links to concepts that are covered in High School Physics you Raown Derfers are really in trouble!

Besides, describing things in my own words seems so much more... Honest, you know?

Whatever; nice shitpost, shpayzhe-tard!

How about companies that manufacture rockets and university research?

How about companies that manufacture rockets and university research?

How about not asking me to either link to, or debate, Fake Data?

Cos that's Shill-tactics 101.

As is multiple derailing shitposting, like you are doing now.

Back to Reality:

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

Any answers?


Oh, & let's not forget sceptimatic's questions that you all bailed out of answering; here they are again:

What kind of pressure is this supposed rocket fuel under when it's released and also what operates the supposed turbo pumps that also apparently pump it into the chamber and also how thick are the pipes that channel this fuel mix to the  supposed, combustion chamber?

Assume we are dealing with the fictional Saturn V.
You're allowed to answer whilst calling me names and such as long as you give me some answers.

Gutless bunch ain't you?

I await your shitpost non-responses with keen disgust; Inquisitive has already got his in; who's next!

Toodle-pip, Cowards!

Incorrect

Again; whatever...

Read this definition of 'Physical Body' from wikipedia carefully please:

"A physical body or physical object is an identifiable collection of matter which may be more or less constrained to move together by translation or rotation in 3-D space".

Then bearing it in mind, answer this:

How many Bodies is a rocket (singular noun)?

By the wikipedia definition I only count One.

Then consider this, Newton's 3rd Law:

"To every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction: or the forces of two bodies on each other are always equal and are directed in opposite directions."

Note that it refers to Two Bodies.

But we have already seen that a rocket is only One body.

So; what is the other Body it creates force against in order to produce motion?

Any answers?


Oh, & let's not forget sceptimatic's questions that you all bailed out of answering; here they are again:

What kind of pressure is this supposed rocket fuel under when it's released and also what operates the supposed turbo pumps that also apparently pump it into the chamber and also how thick are the pipes that channel this fuel mix to the  supposed, combustion chamber?

Assume we are dealing with the fictional Saturn V.
You're allowed to answer whilst calling me names and such as long as you give me some answers.

Gutless bunch ain't you?

I await your shitpost non-responses with keen disgust; Inquisitive& sock-arul have already got theirs in; who's next!

Toodle-pip, Cowards!