It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship

'no evidence', eh, sock-in-mouth?

LOL!!!

STFU.

Before we move on, though, let's look at NASA's shuttle tile demo video again.

Because it is a hoot; a shoddy conjuring trick performed by a sleazy carny, full to the brim with Hoax, LOL & Fail...

Witness the Shitness, folks!

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What kind of electrical work do you specialize in, just out of curiosity? I am not trying to start another fight with you, I am just genuinely curious, now that I know we are professional brothers.  I work as an industrial electrician.

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.  I have never been a member of a union.  I only stick to the industrial side of the profession, so when I actually work, I am usually troubleshooting a faulty switch or maybe a bad motor.  I get paid very good money to do nothing most of the time.  I suppose they pay me to be there in case something goes wrong, but it rarely does. 

The cool thing about my current job is that I only have to work 14 days per month, yet I still bring home a full paycheck.  I also get 7 straight days off in a row every month.  And, I have unlimited overtime.  I can come in anytime I want on my days off, and sit around chit-chatting with coworkers while sipping coffee and earning $45 per hour.  I really do not see the benefit of a union.  How is a union better than this?

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.  I have never been a member of a union.  I only stick to the industrial side of the profession, so when I actually work, I am usually troubleshooting a faulty switch or maybe a bad motor.  I get paid very good money to do nothing most of the time.  I suppose they pay me to be there in case something goes wrong, but it rarely does. 

The cool thing about my current job is that I only have to work 14 days per month, yet I still bring home a full paycheck.  I also get 7 straight days off in a row every month.  And, I have unlimited overtime.  I can come in anytime I want on my days off, and sit around chit-chatting with coworkers while sipping coffee and earning $45 per hour.  I really do not see the benefit of a union.  How is a union better than this?

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 07:39:33 PM

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.  I have never been a member of a union.  I only stick to the industrial side of the profession, so when I actually work, I am usually troubleshooting a faulty switch or maybe a bad motor.  I get paid very good money to do nothing most of the time.  I suppose they pay me to be there in case something goes wrong, but it rarely does. 

The cool thing about my current job is that I only have to work 14 days per month, yet I still bring home a full paycheck.  I also get 7 straight days off in a row every month.  And, I have unlimited overtime.  I can come in anytime I want on my days off, and sit around chit-chatting with coworkers while sipping coffee and earning $45 per hour.  I really do not see the benefit of a union.  How is a union better than this?

Unions are usually joined out of either self-interest (they keep laboral negotiations fair and provide assistance to workers), ideology and (for those trully convinced) out of compassion for other peers that might need the strength of a union to fight for their rights. The guys chatting and sipping coffee? 8 years ago, in my country, that was what being a  goverment office-man was. 8 years layer, this elections propaganda promises to unfreeze their wages and give them the money the goverment owes them. It happened to them. Might happen to you.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 07:39:33 PM

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.  I have never been a member of a union.  I only stick to the industrial side of the profession, so when I actually work, I am usually troubleshooting a faulty switch or maybe a bad motor.  I get paid very good money to do nothing most of the time.  I suppose they pay me to be there in case something goes wrong, but it rarely does. 

The cool thing about my current job is that I only have to work 14 days per month, yet I still bring home a full paycheck.  I also get 7 straight days off in a row every month.  And, I have unlimited overtime.  I can come in anytime I want on my days off, and sit around chit-chatting with coworkers while sipping coffee and earning $45 per hour.  I really do not see the benefit of a union.  How is a union better than this?

Around here, mostly health and welfare benefits and the higher pay rate.  While I was unemployed, I got supplemental unemployment benefits, and didn't lose my health insurance. Something that is very important to a family with young children. 

I get full benefits, including short and long term disability, 401k with matching, profit sharing, health and dental, ect.  I still do not see the advantage of being in a union, but, as I said, I never have been, so maybe I am missing something.

Before we move on, though, let's look at NASA's shuttle tile demo video again.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 08:13:01 PM

I get full benefits, including short and long term disability, 401k with matching, profit sharing, health and dental, ect.  I still do not see the advantage of being in a union, but, as I said, I never have been, so maybe I am missing something.

Like I mentioned, here is a different story.  I was working non union, was making 50% of what a union electrician was making.  My health insurance was part of my benefits, if I wanted to cover my wife and kids, it would have been X a month. thankfully I wasn't married at the time, with no dental or vision. 

After joining the union and going through the apprenticeship, I over doubled my pay rate, had an annuity contribution of 2 dollars per hour, gained health insurance that included dental and vision that cost nothing monthly, didn't lose it while unemployed, and other benefits that I didn't have prior. 

I believe if you were in my position, you would have decided to join also, and if I were in yours, I probably would not have joined.

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 08:40:05 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 08:13:01 PM

I get full benefits, including short and long term disability, 401k with matching, profit sharing, health and dental, ect.  I still do not see the advantage of being in a union, but, as I said, I never have been, so maybe I am missing something.

Like I mentioned, here is a different story.  I was working non union, was making 50% of what a union electrician was making.  My health insurance was part of my benefits, if I wanted to cover my wife and kids, it would have been X a month. thankfully I wasn't married at the time, with no dental or vision. 

After joining the union and going through the apprenticeship, I over doubled my pay rate, had an annuity contribution of 2 dollars per hour, gained health insurance that included dental and vision that cost nothing monthly, didn't lose it while unemployed, and other benefits that I didn't have prior. 

I believe if you were in my position, you would have decided to join also, and if I were in yours, I probably would not have joined.

If you are ever curious about moving down south, let me know.  The worst part about my job is occasionally having to climb ladders, the un-climate controlled conditions that you have to endure, and boredom.  Other than that, it is a sweet job.

Very nice, good stuff, lots of electrical engineers on this forum; what are the odds of that eh..?

Anyhow, BJ1234; as an experienced tradesman I assume you also noticed the outrageous Health & Safety violations in the fraudulent shuttle tile demo video?

I don't see how you can have missed them, really; Health & Safety is a huge issue in every workplace & as a tradesman you must be aware of this Fact.

Care to comment on why NASA would allow such blatant Criminal Negligence to occur?

Quote from: Papa Legba on August 22, 2015, 09:28:54 PM

Very nice, good stuff, lots of electrical engineers on this forum; what are the odds of that eh..?

Anyhow, BJ1234; as an experienced tradesman I assume you also noticed the outrageous Health & Safety violations in the fraudulent shuttle tile demo video?

I don't see how you can have missed them, really; Health & Safety is a huge issue in every workplace & as a tradesman you must be aware of this Fact.

Care to comment on why NASA would allow such blatant Criminal Negligence to occur?

What safety procedures should be followed for handling cold to the touch objects?

I have done residential and commercial electricity in the past, and I got paid for the work that I did.  Now, I am an Industrial Electrician and I get paid for what I know. It is a world of difference.  No union involved. 

Also, sokarul, you are wrong.  I work for an industrial plant.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 09:09:29 PM

I have done residential and commercial electricity in the past, and I got paid for the work that I did.  Now, I am an Industrial Electrician and I get paid for what I know. It is a world of difference.  No union involved. 

Also, sokarul, you are wrong.  I work for an industrial plant.

Power plants are industrial plants. When a power plant trips, it will cost them a lot of money a second. It's also can be boring work when it's running correctly.

The tourists in the video aren't using ANY kind of mitts, socky-boy.

But they SHOULD be; H&S laws, you know?

Stick to the topic, tweeker-head.