It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a Spaceship

We are still waiting for anyone to point out something new or to cite a law being broken.

The definition of 'Legislation' is 'Laws considered collectively', Troll.

So, if Legislation is being broken then Laws must also be being broken.

Reported yet again...

Whatever; here is the Incriminating video again, neutrals; please watch it, then read the below, plus my above posts, as well as jroa's informative posts on USA Occupational Safety & Health legislation, for a summation of the situation thus far.

"Note that NONE of the tourists are wearing p.p.e; that they are NOT given thorough & adequate training in handling hazardous materials before touching the blocks; that there are NO safety barriers between them & either the oven or the white-hot fire-brick; that they are allowed to hold mobile phones in one hand whilst handling the FRAGILE, WHITE-HOT blocks in the other; & general lack of ANY kind of adequate supervision or safety precautions whatsoever.

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These are ALL gross violations of Health & Safety legislation & thus Criminally Negligent; if I were to allow even ONE of the above violations to occur whilst escorting visitors round a project I would be fired Immediately.

These are all FACTS; you can argue the fine details until the cows come home, but you will never change that.

There is NO WAY an allegedly state-of-the-art, government-sponsored organisation like NASA would allow such appalling negligence to occur.

Thus, the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that either NASA are Criminals, or the video is FAKE; a cheap conjuring trick achieved using harmless stage-props."



You are so, so BUSTED, cultists; deal with it.
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I guess we all agree no rules is broken then. And since no one is bringing any new complaints about the tiles we can assume they are real and works how they should.

We agree on NOTHING, shill.

The definition of 'Legislation' is 'Laws considered collectively', Troll.

So, if Legislation is being broken then Laws must also be being broken.

Whatever; here is the Incriminating video again, neutrals; please watch it, then read the below, plus my above posts, as well as jroa's informative posts on USA Occupational Safety & Health legislation, for a summation of the situation thus far.

"Note that NONE of the tourists are wearing p.p.e; that they are NOT given thorough & adequate training in handling hazardous materials before touching the blocks; that there are NO safety barriers between them & either the oven or the white-hot fire-brick; that they are allowed to hold mobile phones in one hand whilst handling the FRAGILE, WHITE-HOT blocks in the other; & general lack of ANY kind of adequate supervision or safety precautions whatsoever.

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These are ALL gross violations of Health & Safety legislation & thus Criminally Negligent; if I were to allow even ONE of the above violations to occur whilst escorting visitors round a project I would be fired Immediately.

These are all FACTS; you can argue the fine details until the cows come home, but you will never change that.

There is NO WAY an allegedly state-of-the-art, government-sponsored organisation like NASA would allow such appalling negligence to occur.

Thus, the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that either NASA are Criminals, or the video is FAKE; a cheap conjuring trick achieved using harmless stage-props."



You are so, so BUSTED, cultists; deal with it.

Oh. & I must ask again: Did the tourists in the above video sign waivers indemnifying NASA from all culpability in the event of personal injury?

I can find NO evidence they did so.

This is a VERY important question, yet all the NASA Cultists refuse to answer it...

I wonder why?

Answers please, obvious criminal cultist software-assisted military-managed disinfo personae (I'm looking at YOU, master_b8r!).

Papa Legba, how can you prove criminal negligence when no one has been injured due to your claimed lack of PPE or safety training?  If these tours have been ongoing for any length of time and there have been no injuries, then that suggests that reasonable safety measures are indeed being observed and therefore there is no negligence.

Also:

Negligence (Lat. negligentia, from neglegere, to neglect, literally "not to pick up something") is a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances.[1] The area of tort law known as negligence involves harm caused by carelessness, not intentional harm.

Nonsense, markjo; I am trained in spotting Health & Safety violations, & there's damn good Legal reasons for me being thus trained; so stop posting irrelevant links & trying to tell me how to do my own f**king job.

Okay?

Now; Did the tourists in the video have to sign waivers indemnifying NASA from culpability in the event of personal injury?

Answer me.

Nonsense, markjo; I am trained in spotting Health & Safety violations, & there's damn good Legal reasons for me being thus trained; so stop posting irrelevant links & trying to tell me how to do my own f**king job.

Oh?  Who trained you?  When did you perform a complete inspection of the facility in question?  Check me if I'm wrong, but a proper investigator would personally inspect the facility and get all of the facts before drawing any conclusions.

Now; Did the tourists in the video have to sign waivers indemnifying NASA from culpability in the event of personal injury?

Answer me.

I didn't take the tour, so I don't know.  However, I did provide you with the phone number to the KSC tour office so that you could call them yourself and find out.  Did you?  No?  I didn't think that you would.

It did not list sodium cyanide anywhere.

Did you expect it to list every chemical ever discovered, or to simply state things like, "If you are handling a dangerous chemical, then you should follow these safegaurds?"

You really are an idiot, are you not? 

No one did, pay attention. I said you can't handle 4,160 V while being 1910.333 compliant without being an electrician. I see now you were just lying to try and sound cool. You may lockout/tagout and work on non energized equipment. That's not the same thing.

You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy. 

I can't see how a person can die from a lockout/tagout procedure violation without also being at fault. If you don't have your lock locked with the others, it's also your fault. And I don't believe the criminal court part unless it was standard procedure to not lockout/tagout. 

The individual who died was at fault.  He removed his own lock.  However, the other individuals knew he was still working inside the machine when they removed their locks, under his orders.  You really are retarded, sokarul. 

We agree on NOTHING, shill.

The definition of 'Legislation' is 'Laws considered collectively', Troll.

So, if Legislation is being broken then Laws must also be being broken.

Whatever; here is the Incriminating video again, neutrals; please watch it, then read the below, plus my above posts, as well as jroa's informative posts on USA Occupational Safety & Health legislation, for a summation of the situation thus far.

"Note that NONE of the tourists are wearing p.p.e; that they are NOT given thorough & adequate training in handling hazardous materials before touching the blocks; that there are NO safety barriers between them & either the oven or the white-hot fire-brick; that they are allowed to hold mobile phones in one hand whilst handling the FRAGILE, WHITE-HOT blocks in the other; & general lack of ANY kind of adequate supervision or safety precautions whatsoever.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

These are ALL gross violations of Health & Safety legislation & thus Criminally Negligent; if I were to allow even ONE of the above violations to occur whilst escorting visitors round a project I would be fired Immediately.

These are all FACTS; you can argue the fine details until the cows come home, but you will never change that.

There is NO WAY an allegedly state-of-the-art, government-sponsored organisation like NASA would allow such appalling negligence to occur.

Thus, the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that either NASA are Criminals, or the video is FAKE; a cheap conjuring trick achieved using harmless stage-props."



You are so, so BUSTED, cultists; deal with it.

Again, according to your logic all bars are criminally negligent as they provide no safety equipment or training for handling fragile glasses that will shatter into razor sharp shards that can be lethal if the glass is not handled correctly.

You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy.

Should we let them know you lack basic electrical knowledge?  Such as the difference between an AFCI and arc flash protection?

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 01:54:35 PM

You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy.

Should we let them know you lack basic electrical knowledge?  Such as the difference between an AFCI and arc flash protection?

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 03:59:56 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 01:54:35 PM

You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy.

Should we let them know you lack basic electrical knowledge?  Such as the difference between an AFCI and arc flash protection?

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

Is that the best you can do when confronted with your lack of knowledge?  Not even a remotely cunning ad hominem? 

I am not the one who lacks knowledge about the differences of arc fault and arc flash.  You have shown lack of electrical knowledge in this thread, yet you strut around like a pigeon playing chess.  I thought only scepti could stoop that low.

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

I never claimed to be a master electrician.  I simply stated that I am and work as an electrician, and that I have been trained as such.  Do you even read what other people post, or do you just make up the conversation in your head? 

Quote from: sokarul on August 22, 2015, 09:03:03 AM

It did not list sodium cyanide anywhere.

Did you expect it to list every chemical ever discovered, or to simply state things like, "If you are handling a dangerous chemical, then you should follow these safegaurds?"

You really are an idiot, are you not? 

You claimed OSHA set's the proper PPE for chemicals. I stated it was MSDS's and SDS's. I am right, you are wrong.

You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy.

Then yes, you could be OSHA complaint. Which is strange since you have claimed you are an engineer.

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

I never claimed to be a master electrician. 

Well, maybe if you hadn't implied as such in the following statement, I wouldn't have assumed you were claiming as such.

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

I simply stated that I am and work as an electrician, and that I have been trained as such.

And from your lack of knowledge presented by you in this thread shows that your training is inadequate.  Don't worry, I work with a lot of people who are only electrician in title and really don't know much.

  Do you even read what other people post, or do you just make up the conversation in your head? 

Yes I do read the posts.  Maybe the problem lies in your lack of communication skills and ability to type clear and unambiguous posts?

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Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: sokarul on August 22, 2015, 09:03:03 AM

It did not list sodium cyanide anywhere.

Did you expect it to list every chemical ever discovered, or to simply state things like, "If you are handling a dangerous chemical, then you should follow these safegaurds?"

You really are an idiot, are you not? 

You claimed OSHA set's the proper PPE for chemicals. I stated it was MSDS's and SDS's. I am right, you are wrong.

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You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy.

Then yes, you could be OSHA complaint. Which is strange since you have claimed you are an engineer.

I claimed I have an engineering degree, not that I was employed as an engineer.  I also claimed that I have a degree in Industrial Electricity/Electronics.  I have worked in engineering positions in the past, but I make far more money as an electrician in the area in which I live.  What is confusing you about this? 

We agree on NOTHING, shill.

The definition of 'Legislation' is 'Laws considered collectively', Troll.

So, if Legislation is being broken then Laws must also be being broken.

Whatever; here is the Incriminating video again, neutrals; please watch it, then read the below, plus my above posts, as well as jroa's informative posts on USA Occupational Safety & Health legislation, for a summation of the situation thus far.

"Note that NONE of the tourists are wearing p.p.e; that they are NOT given thorough & adequate training in handling hazardous materials before touching the blocks; that there are NO safety barriers between them & either the oven or the white-hot fire-brick; that they are allowed to hold mobile phones in one hand whilst handling the FRAGILE, WHITE-HOT blocks in the other; & general lack of ANY kind of adequate supervision or safety precautions whatsoever.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

These are ALL gross violations of Health & Safety legislation & thus Criminally Negligent; if I were to allow even ONE of the above violations to occur whilst escorting visitors round a project I would be fired Immediately.

These are all FACTS; you can argue the fine details until the cows come home, but you will never change that.

There is NO WAY an allegedly state-of-the-art, government-sponsored organisation like NASA would allow such appalling negligence to occur.

Thus, the only logical conclusion to be drawn is that either NASA are Criminals, or the video is FAKE; a cheap conjuring trick achieved using harmless stage-props."



You are so, so BUSTED, cultists; deal with it.

Tour Guide:"This red hot tile can be held safely with your bear hands!"
Tourist:"Cool!  Can I pick it up?"
Tour Guide:"No, you have to wear these gloves."
Tourist:"Why not?  You are doing it, and wearing gloves takes away the whole point of holding it."
Tour Guide:"We are afraid that you might crush it and burn yourself."
Tourist:"Being human and all I know how to regulate grip strength and not crush everything I hold.  I can easily crush a coffee cup and spill the coffee all over myself but I don't do it."
Tour Guide:"If you want to hold it you could take a 3 day course on basic motor skills so you can be certified at holding things."
Tourist:"I have used my hands every day of my life, I think I know what I am doing."
Tour Guide:"No you don't.  You will crush it and keep holding on to it until your hand is burnt off.  We also think you might eat it and/or throw it and we just can't take the risk."
Tourist:"I am not a toddler and I don't want to kill myself!  This is so stupid."

In any case, I told you where the building was and markjo gave you their phone number, you could go on a tour yourself and prove that it's not fake.

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Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

I never claimed to be a master electrician. 

Well, maybe if you hadn't implied as such in the following statement, I wouldn't have assumed you were claiming as such.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:08:45 PM

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

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I simply stated that I am and work as an electrician, and that I have been trained as such.[/quote[ And from your lack of knowledge presented by you in this thread shows that your training is inadequate.  Don't worry, I work with a lot of people who are only electrician in title and really don't know much.

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  Do you even read what other people post, or do you just make up the conversation in your head? 

Yes I do read the posts.  Maybe the problem lies in your lack of communication skills and ability to type clear and unambiguous posts?

Oh, I see now.  Your ability to jump to conclusions and make assumptions is my fault.  Thanks for letting me know. 

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Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 05:04:37 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

I never claimed to be a master electrician. 

Well, maybe if you hadn't implied as such in the following statement, I wouldn't have assumed you were claiming as such.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:08:45 PM

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

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I simply stated that I am and work as an electrician, and that I have been trained as such.[/quote[ And from your lack of knowledge presented by you in this thread shows that your training is inadequate.  Don't worry, I work with a lot of people who are only electrician in title and really don't know much.

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  Do you even read what other people post, or do you just make up the conversation in your head? 

Yes I do read the posts.  Maybe the problem lies in your lack of communication skills and ability to type clear and unambiguous posts?

Oh, I see now.  Your ability to jump to conclusions and make assumptions is my fault.  Thanks for letting me know. 

It seems to be as good as your electrical ability.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 05:25:10 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 05:04:37 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

I never claimed to be a master electrician. 

Well, maybe if you hadn't implied as such in the following statement, I wouldn't have assumed you were claiming as such.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:08:45 PM

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

Quote

I simply stated that I am and work as an electrician, and that I have been trained as such.[/quote[ And from your lack of knowledge presented by you in this thread shows that your training is inadequate.  Don't worry, I work with a lot of people who are only electrician in title and really don't know much.

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  Do you even read what other people post, or do you just make up the conversation in your head? 

Yes I do read the posts.  Maybe the problem lies in your lack of communication skills and ability to type clear and unambiguous posts?

Oh, I see now.  Your ability to jump to conclusions and make assumptions is my fault.  Thanks for letting me know. 

It seems to be as good as your electrical ability.

Please, let me come over to your house to rewire a circuit.  Thanks. 

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 05:30:00 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 05:25:10 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 05:04:37 PM

Quote from: BJ1234 on August 22, 2015, 04:59:36 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:51:06 PM

Oh, yes, I forgot that your electrical knowledge is only limited by Google, lol

Oh yes, that is why I am schooling a self proclaimed Master Electrician that works on 4160 who doesn't even know the difference between AFCI and arc flash protection

I never claimed to be a master electrician. 

Well, maybe if you hadn't implied as such in the following statement, I wouldn't have assumed you were claiming as such.

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 04:08:45 PM

I am sorry, but I did not realize you were licensed as a master electrician, tweeb.  Come back when you actually have something. 

Quote

I simply stated that I am and work as an electrician, and that I have been trained as such.[/quote[ And from your lack of knowledge presented by you in this thread shows that your training is inadequate.  Don't worry, I work with a lot of people who are only electrician in title and really don't know much.

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  Do you even read what other people post, or do you just make up the conversation in your head? 

Yes I do read the posts.  Maybe the problem lies in your lack of communication skills and ability to type clear and unambiguous posts?

Oh, I see now.  Your ability to jump to conclusions and make assumptions is my fault.  Thanks for letting me know. 

It seems to be as good as your electrical ability.

Please, let me come over to your house to rewire a circuit.  Thanks.

Why?  I would just do it myself.  I am a trained electrician you know.  I actually know some things too, unlike what you have shown in this thread.  I have also installed AFCI breakers and worn arc flash suits.  SO I think I know what I am doing.

What kind of electrical work do you specialize in, just out of curiosity? I am not trying to start another fight with you, I am just genuinely curious, now that I know we are professional brothers.  I work as an industrial electrician. 

So; none of you can tell me if the tourists had to sign waivers indemnifying NASA from culpability in the case of personal injury.

Thus, I must assume they did not.

Which, in view of the clear Health & Safety violations I have outlined in the video, can only mean that NASA are either Criminals, or the video is FAKE.

Both conclusions are LOL, but I'll go for the latter.

Ready to move on?

Wanna talk about aluminium?

It'll be fun!

So; none of you can tell me if the tourists had to sign waivers indemnifying NASA from culpability in the case of personal injury.

Thus, I must assume they did not.

Which, in view of the clear Health & Safety violations I have outlined in the video, can only mean that NASA are either Criminals, or the video is FAKE.

Both conclusions are LOL, but I'll go for the latter.

Ready to move on?

Wanna talk about aluminium?

It'll be fun!

lol

All talk no evidence.

lawl

Did you know the Washington Monument is capped in aluminum? It used to be precious in a sense that it was rare to have in metal forum.

'no evidence', eh, sock-in-mouth?

LOL!!!

STFU.

Before we move on, though, let's look at NASA's shuttle tile demo video again.

Because it is a hoot; a shoddy conjuring trick performed by a sleazy carny, full to the brim with Hoax, LOL & Fail...

Witness the Shitness, folks!

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Quote from: sokarul on August 22, 2015, 05:16:57 PM

Quote from: jroa on August 22, 2015, 01:54:35 PM

Quote from: sokarul on August 22, 2015, 09:03:03 AM

It did not list sodium cyanide anywhere.

Did you expect it to list every chemical ever discovered, or to simply state things like, "If you are handling a dangerous chemical, then you should follow these safegaurds?"

You really are an idiot, are you not? 

You claimed OSHA set's the proper PPE for chemicals. I stated it was MSDS's and SDS's. I am right, you are wrong.

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You are implying that I am not an electrician.  Please, let my employer know so that they can take me off the payroll, because they are paying me to be an electrician, dummy.

Then yes, you could be OSHA complaint. Which is strange since you have claimed you are an engineer.

I claimed I have an engineering degree, not that I was employed as an engineer.  I also claimed that I have a degree in Industrial Electricity/Electronics.  I have worked in engineering positions in the past, but I make far more money as an electrician in the area in which I live.  What is confusing you about this?

Do you and sceptic go to Bugatti meetups?