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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22380 on: February 26, 2024, 06:18:36 AM »
You might have seen it already.

Chappell Show filthy big lipped beast.

I forget the name of the sketch exactly.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22381 on: February 26, 2024, 07:22:13 AM »

hahah not the full clip but close enough




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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22382 on: February 26, 2024, 11:42:38 AM »
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No more so than most other people in the same circumstances. Plus, the banks did their own due diligence and said they saw no issues, were paid back as agreed etc etc. There was no victim or crime here yet he is guilty and owes 100s of millions of dollars off the thoughts of one liberal judge and one liberal prosecutor?

Surely how they are coming after Trump and trying to take his money on shady cases would put up a few red flags? Right at election time? Only liberals are involved?

I mean that "rape" case, you or I could have been convicted on that with zero evidence. Who knows what he did, but do you want to live in a world like this where those in power can do whatever they want to you if they don't like you? I am pretty sure we can point out some countries like that in the world and they are not pretty, nor places the average person would want to visit much less live.

Not me.  I don't inflate the value of my assets when I seek financing.  Nor do I deflate the value of my assets when I'm doing my taxes. 

Because that would be fraud. 

Which is illegal.

If these banks were so eager to do business with him then why was the fraud necessary?  Perhaps Trump commits fraud for fun?

The rape case, I think there were contemporary accounts so it wasn't just completely made up.  That trial was about defamation though.  And Trump did awesome.  He immediately defamed her more immediately after the first trial.

These trials would have come much soon if Trump didn't fight the courts at every possible point.

But these are small potatoes.  These are just civil cases.

The criminal cases are;

The hush money payment thing.  Something about silencing a porn star.  Seems kind of silly to try this as a felony.  But see how his lawyer Cohen served a couple years for this it seems reasonable that he should too.

There's the rico trial in Goergia.  I don't know the law their.  The justice system will have to sort it out.

Ditto the fake voters in DC.

The classified documents case however, now that's my jam.  I happen to know the law here very well.  And what Trump did was completely indefensible.  A prison sentence , under Trump's own rules mind you, would be 5 years.  Maybe more.

He doesnt' have to have these trials occur during the election.  He intentionally did that by slowing things down as much as possible.

I have no idea how paying hush money to a porn star is illegal? I don't doubt he did even though I think Stormy is a joke. I am just not seeing where that breaks legality.

I do agree banks are lazy, but not nearly as much as they were 10 years ago and before. Way to many stories and fraud came out from their lazy due diligence and greed. However, I still stand by the fact there was no victim so there should be no crime. He was innocent and still convicted as well as hit with a ridiculous fine meant to try and BK him.

The case is simple, it was his political opponents trying to knock him out of the race and take his money. Now the MSM is going to ride the story every second of every day. If they wanted to push for tax fraud they should have charged him with that but they didn't.

Also, if Trump should be in jail for classified documents at his house so should grandpa Joe right? Though to be fair I have no idea why either one of them should have classified files in their house. But the MSM shut down the grandpa Joe files real quick excluding fox.

To be fair, 99 percent of people in government beyond maybe like small town mayors etc are pieces of shit. Usually we only have the option of the less stinky. Our political issues speak to us as a majority and they are just a bi product. We can only look at ourselves in the mirror
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22383 on: February 26, 2024, 12:42:42 PM »
he ignored the already very very very loose campainge funds rules to misappropriate campainge funds.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22384 on: February 26, 2024, 01:14:06 PM »
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he ignored the already very very very loose campainge funds rules to misappropriate campainge funds.

Did he? Is that where he got the money for the stormy pay off? If he did then yes, that is illegal. Or are you just saying angry stuff about him because you don't like him
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22385 on: February 26, 2024, 01:45:52 PM »
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he ignored the already very very very loose campainge funds rules to misappropriate campainge funds.

Did he? Is that where he got the money for the stormy pay off? If he did then yes, that is illegal. Or are you just saying angry stuff about him because you don't like him
Yep.

He took political campaign funds and gave it to his lawyer so his lawyer can pay her off.  Hence why its an issue.

The fine, btw, is the lost income to the bank.  And while you may feel that the bank isn't a victim because they didn't complain, that doesn't make it legal anymore than attempted murder.  Or attempted robbery.  Or pirating digital data.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22386 on: February 26, 2024, 01:55:35 PM »
He aslo took money from his own chairty
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22387 on: February 26, 2024, 01:56:33 PM »
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No more so than most other people in the same circumstances. Plus, the banks did their own due diligence and said they saw no issues, were paid back as agreed etc etc. There was no victim or crime here yet he is guilty and owes 100s of millions of dollars off the thoughts of one liberal judge and one liberal prosecutor?

Surely how they are coming after Trump and trying to take his money on shady cases would put up a few red flags? Right at election time? Only liberals are involved?

I mean that "rape" case, you or I could have been convicted on that with zero evidence. Who knows what he did, but do you want to live in a world like this where those in power can do whatever they want to you if they don't like you? I am pretty sure we can point out some countries like that in the world and they are not pretty, nor places the average person would want to visit much less live.

Not me.  I don't inflate the value of my assets when I seek financing.  Nor do I deflate the value of my assets when I'm doing my taxes. 

Because that would be fraud. 

Which is illegal.

If these banks were so eager to do business with him then why was the fraud necessary?  Perhaps Trump commits fraud for fun?

The rape case, I think there were contemporary accounts so it wasn't just completely made up.  That trial was about defamation though.  And Trump did awesome.  He immediately defamed her more immediately after the first trial.

These trials would have come much soon if Trump didn't fight the courts at every possible point.

But these are small potatoes.  These are just civil cases.

The criminal cases are;

The hush money payment thing.  Something about silencing a porn star.  Seems kind of silly to try this as a felony.  But see how his lawyer Cohen served a couple years for this it seems reasonable that he should too.

There's the rico trial in Goergia.  I don't know the law their.  The justice system will have to sort it out.

Ditto the fake voters in DC.

The classified documents case however, now that's my jam.  I happen to know the law here very well.  And what Trump did was completely indefensible.  A prison sentence , under Trump's own rules mind you, would be 5 years.  Maybe more.

He doesnt' have to have these trials occur during the election.  He intentionally did that by slowing things down as much as possible.

I have no idea how paying hush money to a porn star is illegal? I don't doubt he did even though I think Stormy is a joke. I am just not seeing where that breaks legality.

I do agree banks are lazy, but not nearly as much as they were 10 years ago and before. Way to many stories and fraud came out from their lazy due diligence and greed. However, I still stand by the fact there was no victim so there should be no crime. He was innocent and still convicted as well as hit with a ridiculous fine meant to try and BK him.

The case is simple, it was his political opponents trying to knock him out of the race and take his money. Now the MSM is going to ride the story every second of every day. If they wanted to push for tax fraud they should have charged him with that but they didn't.

Also, if Trump should be in jail for classified documents at his house so should grandpa Joe right? Though to be fair I have no idea why either one of them should have classified files in their house. But the MSM shut down the grandpa Joe files real quick excluding fox.

To be fair, 99 percent of people in government beyond maybe like small town mayors etc are pieces of shit. Usually we only have the option of the less stinky. Our political issues speak to us as a majority and they are just a bi product. We can only look at ourselves in the mirror

I think we sort of agree about the porn star thing.  Who the hell cares what these people do in their off time.  But it was serious enough for his lawyer to go to prison over it.  Doesn't seem to be much outrage about that for some reason.

Biden's mishandling of classified docs and Trump's mishandling are not remotely similar.

Biden had classified docs at the end of Obama's presidency.  Trump had them at the end of his presidency.  The government found out about it and asked for them back.  That's where the similarities end.  Biden just gave them back and complied with the investigators.  Trump, on the other hand, ignored these demands for months.  Then gave back a few and lied about the rest.  Then he had his staff destroy evidence and perjure themselves to cover that up.  Then somewhere along the way we have recordings that prove he just showed these documents to journalists to argue with people.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22388 on: February 26, 2024, 02:42:46 PM »
Quote from: Lorddave on February 26, 2024, 01:45:52 PM
Quote from: Bom Tishop on February 26, 2024, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: Themightykabool on February 26, 2024, 12:42:42 PM
he ignored the already very very very loose campainge funds rules to misappropriate campainge funds.

Did he? Is that where he got the money for the stormy pay off? If he did then yes, that is illegal. Or are you just saying angry stuff about him because you don't like him
Yep.

He took political campaign funds and gave it to his lawyer so his lawyer can pay her off.  Hence why its an issue.

The fine, btw, is the lost income to the bank.  And while you may feel that the bank isn't a victim because they didn't complain, that doesn't make it legal anymore than attempted murder.  Or attempted robbery.  Or pirating digital data.

Well then, I guess I agree with you on the stormy thing. If it did come from campaign funds then that is illegal as hell, though, I am sure most of the jackasses abuse the funds as well but he got caught.

She is crap as well though, I guarantee she asked for more when she realized he would have even more to lose than a wife. He said no then she came out as a "victim". I am actually not sure how he didn't catch charges but his lawyer did if he gave his lawyer the money. I am guessing he payed his lawyer to sit in time out for him I guess.



Crouton-
I felt the same way on the stormy thing, but if he really did use campaign funds to pay her I can understand it some. Though I am not sure what the law/punishment is for that. I know non profits if you abuse the money it's a quick way to prison, just not sure on this.

As for the classified files, if it did happen that way then that is kinda jacked up. Not even sure what the point of that would be. Though there is still a double standard of Biden doing something and Trump. No matter what Biden does MSM is like meh, anything Trump does, no matter if it's the same thing you would think he nuked a country.

Though I would really like to know why either of them have classified stuff at home in the first case. Probably side dealings or something we wouldn't like to know
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22389 on: February 26, 2024, 03:03:24 PM »
Trump stole my NFTs!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22390 on: February 26, 2024, 03:35:57 PM »
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Trump stole my NFTs!

Anyone that bought NFTs stole from themselves lol
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22391 on: February 27, 2024, 07:58:29 AM »
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he ignored the already very very very loose campainge funds rules to misappropriate campainge funds.

Did he? Is that where he got the money for the stormy pay off? If he did then yes, that is illegal. Or are you just saying angry stuff about him because you don't like him
Yep.

He took political campaign funds and gave it to his lawyer so his lawyer can pay her off.  Hence why its an issue.

The fine, btw, is the lost income to the bank.  And while you may feel that the bank isn't a victim because they didn't complain, that doesn't make it legal anymore than attempted murder.  Or attempted robbery.  Or pirating digital data.

Well then, I guess I agree with you on the stormy thing. If it did come from campaign funds then that is illegal as hell, though, I am sure most of the jackasses abuse the funds as well but he got caught.
Probably not as much as you'd think.  Trump was a newcommer and less verse in Campaign Finance Law.  He probably had no idea how to legally do it.  Plus, why would he use campaign money and not his billions?  Thats the real question.

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She is crap as well though, I guarantee she asked for more when she realized he would have even more to lose than a wife. He said no then she came out as a "victim". I am actually not sure how he didn't catch charges but his lawyer did if he gave his lawyer the money. I am guessing he payed his lawyer to sit in time out for him I guess.
He did get charged.  And arrested.  The trial is next month.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/15/trump-to-stand-trial-in-criminal-court-on-march-25-in-hush-money-case
His lawyer pleaded guilty, hence why he is in jail.


As for the documents:
Document mishandling happens more often then you think, but intention is a big factor.  If Trump had just given them all back when the archives asked for them, this wouldn't have even made it to the fringe news

But he didn't.
He hid them.  Stored them in insecure places.  Showed some to unauthorized people.

Hence the trial.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22392 on: February 27, 2024, 09:08:37 AM »
why would trump use his own money for anything?

"free use of campainge finances" were built into his use from the PAC's!!
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« Reply #22393 on: February 27, 2024, 09:46:32 PM »
LORD DAVE-

I agree with you on that, why would he make a payoff of 100k or whatever it was to her from campaign funds. Granted billionaires are never remotely all liquid but a couple hundred thousand is nothing at all.

However, Trump is also cheap as hell just like most high net worth people (there is a reason they are high net worth), so maybe he thought it was better to use free money instead of his if he really did you campaign funds.

As for the classified files, any president can declassify anything at their own prerogative. However, what were the classified files? My question also remains, why does any president have classified files at their home?? Trump, Biden or anyone?? Sure, around the White House where you can live as well as conduct business, but your private home? I don't think there is anything good that is happening there under any pretense.



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If he had that built into his stipulations then why did his lawyer get arrested? Did he do something else besides delivering the payoff?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22394 on: February 28, 2024, 12:48:15 AM »
Oh sorry to confuse
The ability to use campainge funds for whatever reason was built in after he got in trouble with stormy.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22395 on: February 28, 2024, 05:51:48 AM »
Quote from: Bom Tishop on February 27, 2024, 09:46:32 PM

As for the classified files, any president can declassify anything at their own prerogative. However, what were the classified files? My question also remains, why does any president have classified files at their home?? Trump, Biden or anyone?? Sure, around the White House where you can live as well as conduct business, but your private home? I don't think there is anything good that is happening there under any pretense.


At least a few of them were nuclear secrets and the Pentagons war plans for Iran.  Not that we're trying to get into a war with Iran.  We just create war plans for every possible hypothetical situation.  The war plans he showed to a reporter because he was angry at General Mark Milley for implying that Trump might get us into a war with Iran.  In Trump's mind the existence of a war plan proves Milley was the one trying to get us into a war with Iran.  Don't know much about the rest of the documents.

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/06/trump-iran-and-the-highly-confidential-document/

Classified material is supposed to remain inside a scif.  It's not like a library where you can just check stuff out and bring it home.  I don't know why exactly these documents would be lying around their houses.  This is just a guess but I think certain high ranking officials like presidents and such get scifs in or around their houses just to make their work easier.  And when they left office then whoever was in charge of these scifs did a very sloppy job in tearing them down.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22396 on: February 28, 2024, 07:18:33 AM »
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LORD DAVE-

I agree with you on that, why would he make a payoff of 100k or whatever it was to her from campaign funds. Granted billionaires are never remotely all liquid but a couple hundred thousand is nothing at all.

However, Trump is also cheap as hell just like most high net worth people (there is a reason they are high net worth), so maybe he thought it was better to use free money instead of his if he really did you campaign funds.

As for the classified files, any president can declassify anything at their own prerogative. However, what were the classified files? My question also remains, why does any president have classified files at their home?? Trump, Biden or anyone?? Sure, around the White House where you can live as well as conduct business, but your private home? I don't think there is anything good that is happening there under any pretense.

See what Crouton said.

For Trump, he just took them.  Likely a mix of "oh shit I didn't plan on leaving and now its January!" Packing and 'I love this picture of me and our nuclear bomb engineers inside this top secret facility.  I'm gonna keep it.'
Why he didn't want to give them back is.... A queation only he can answer.

It should be noted that Biden didn't live at the white house when he got those documents and brought work home.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22397 on: February 29, 2024, 07:49:44 PM »
There was a movie.
Cant think of it right now.
Everyone thoight this moron guy was brilliant amd they were writing down eceetthingbhe said ans did amd it aas so brilliant.
Then they found out he was a moron.




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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22398 on: March 01, 2024, 08:06:10 AM »

Don't make Spacey watch TYT!

And does all that relate to your spelling also?
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22399 on: March 01, 2024, 09:40:32 AM »
It's so funny that TYT are ever used as a source. Does anyone remember them from the early days? "Guess the Celebrity Camel Toe"

Trump and Biden to team up? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-biden-collide-split-screen-trips-border-immigration-spotlight-rcna140899
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22400 on: March 01, 2024, 10:41:34 AM »
Skip past the parts where the tyt guy talks.

Similarly when the cnn guy or the msnbc guy talks.

Just watch the clip they clipped and listen to the dr.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22401 on: March 01, 2024, 12:55:35 PM »
You are not the boss of me!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22402 on: March 02, 2024, 09:51:09 AM »
Quote from: Bom Tishop on February 26, 2024, 02:42:46 PM

As for the classified files, if it did happen that way then that is kinda jacked up. Not even sure what the point of that would be. Though there is still a double standard of Biden doing something and Trump. No matter what Biden does MSM is like meh, anything Trump does, no matter if it's the same thing you would think he nuked a country.

Well you have to remember that Biden is a confused old man, while Trump is a certified genius.  So Trump must have had a plan for all the documents he stockpiled.

;)

Anyway here’s a comparison of the incidents:

https://apnews.com/article/biden-classified-documents-trump-side-by-side-fb2c4ebccdbdbb9039c1c5e227b1da53
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22403 on: March 02, 2024, 10:48:52 AM »
Ya
He was going to sell them because hes broke.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22404 on: March 04, 2024, 12:26:56 PM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/04/states-cant-remove-trump-from-ballot-supreme-court-says-00144673

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States have no authority to remove Donald Trump from the 2024 presidential ballot, the Supreme Court ruled unanimously Monday, short-circuiting efforts by his detractors to declare him disqualified over his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol.

The justices did not weigh in on the fraught question of whether Trump engaged in an insurrection by attempting to subvert the 2020 election results or stoking the violence on Jan. 6. But the high court ruled in an unsigned opinion that only Congress, not the states, can disqualify a presidential candidate under the Constitution’s “insurrection clause.”

The high court’s decision overturns a Colorado ruling that would have removed Trump from the ballot there. And it spells doom for a slew of other state-level challenges to Trump’s eligibility under an interpretation of the 14th Amendment provision that says that people who engaged in an insurrection after taking an oath to support the Constitution are disqualified from holding office again.

I think they made the correct ruling. Also, I think everyone should run for president! EVERY SINGLE PERSON.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22405 on: March 04, 2024, 01:01:03 PM »
I agree.  How the 14th is executed needs a little work.  I'm glad to see the supreme court got to that so fast.  I wish they could get to the question of presidential immunity as fast.  Apparently it'll take until July at least for our most brilliant legal minds to figure out of the president is the same thing as a king and no trial can proceed without answering this painfully obvious question.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22406 on: March 04, 2024, 01:01:30 PM »
hurray

federal scotus dictating what sovereign stats can and can not do

amazing!


more legislation by those unelected lifetime membership and no ethnics code-open bribe people

i love it!
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22407 on: March 04, 2024, 01:40:26 PM »
I wonder if Clarence Thomas's megadonors will give free land yachts to the liberal justices as well.  Just as a good will gesture.
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« Reply #22408 on: March 04, 2024, 02:09:51 PM »
I agree, it was the correct ruling.  The states shouldn't be able to self-dictate if someone should be disqualified as that'll cause problems.

Of course they didctate who CAN be on the ballot and that shit is both expensive and difficult.

"For 2024, the petition must contain 113,151 signatures of registered voters who did not vote in the presidential primary of either party. The application must include the information about, and signed consent from, the candidate’s vice-presidential running mate. In addition to the petition and application, an independent candidate for President must provide signed, written statements of consent to be a presidential elector candidate from 40 presidential elector candidates (the number of presidential electors that federal law allocates to Texas)."

Trump doesn't even have a VP pick so... Double standards all around!  And thats just Texas.

Tho NY isn't too dissimilar.  Still no fee, which is surprising.
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Re: Why do you support donald trump
« Reply #22409 on: March 04, 2024, 04:28:47 PM »
https://x.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1764672353378652544?s=20

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The Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members including Jackson, Kagan and Sotomayor have proved themselves inept at reading comprehension. And collectively the "court" has shown itself to be corrupt and illegitimate.

It must be dissolved.

Keith Olbermann is so mad he's peeing from his eyes.

https://x.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1764709170001899568?s=20

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