Guns are evil

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #120 on: August 16, 2008, 12:16:21 AM »

Load it with hollow points.

OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!

btw it was a 9mm and a 22LR pistol

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #121 on: August 16, 2008, 12:19:15 AM »
and....oh wait, that already happened didn't it?
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #122 on: August 16, 2008, 12:22:03 AM »
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?

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« Reply #123 on: August 16, 2008, 12:24:51 AM »
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors

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« Reply #124 on: August 16, 2008, 12:28:28 AM »
It just kills faster with hollow points on unarmored targets. He could have used full metal jackets, but he had to kill fast and move fast.
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #125 on: August 16, 2008, 12:30:39 AM »
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

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« Reply #126 on: August 16, 2008, 12:36:16 AM »
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.

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« Reply #127 on: August 16, 2008, 12:52:34 AM »
Foreign ammunition is based on millimeters. There is also a standard form of measure for bullets.

The US customary system is anything but standard.
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #128 on: August 16, 2008, 01:08:13 AM »
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.
Claiming credentials to back up a false statements "validity"

sure.

Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #129 on: August 16, 2008, 01:44:00 AM »
as far as school shootings, getting rid of guns will not solve the problem, if they really wanted to do some damage, they will find a way. If guns were outlawed, they will get a gun some other way or will resort to other means such as pipe bombs, so that argument is irrelevant.
Almost a quarter of school students had access to a gun after they were banned


Edit: that was in England probably helpful to know that
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #130 on: August 16, 2008, 02:06:36 AM »
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.

Wow, I see they lowered the standard again. ::)
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #131 on: August 16, 2008, 06:19:32 AM »
Why are bullets measured in millimeters in a country based on the imperial system?

Because it makes sense.
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« Reply #132 on: August 16, 2008, 07:57:32 AM »
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Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp. 
Why would they sell one illegally $1,000 when they could sell it legally for over $10k?  Not to mention the top ar-15 cost a few hundred over $1,000. 
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #133 on: August 16, 2008, 07:59:46 AM »
Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp.

I wasn't aware there were degrees of legality.
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« Reply #134 on: August 16, 2008, 08:11:44 AM »
Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp.

I wasn't aware there were degrees of legality.

What I said might be a lie.  But its illegal to own a full auto that was made on or after 1986 (now I can't remember) and most ar-15s were made after that date.  I'm trying to find the lawsuit that just came about, I have heard different stories but a guy lent an ar-15 to a neighbor and it malfunctioned or was made to shoot full auto, and now they guy is going to jail for a long time.
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #135 on: August 16, 2008, 08:39:15 AM »
TTIWWP




Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp. 
Why would they sell one illegally $1,000 when they could sell it legally for over $10k?  Not to mention the top ar-15 cost a few hundred over $1,000. 
Why would you buy an expensive AR-15 when you could get a demilitarized AK, or AK knockoff, and but a 20 dollar part to make it full auto. Also it is obviously illegal. Why would you mention that? This is a discussion of how hard/easy it is to bypass said law.

And sanding down a part on an SKS switches it from semi auto to full auto. An sks runs for a couple hundred dollars. Lear2guns.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #136 on: August 16, 2008, 09:01:16 AM »
You can also get those spring clips to put behind the trigger.  Kind of a makeshift fully auto but it works.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #137 on: August 16, 2008, 09:03:13 AM »
TTIWWP




Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp. 
Why would they sell one illegally $1,000 when they could sell it legally for over $10k?  Not to mention the top ar-15 cost a few hundred over $1,000. 
Why would you buy an expensive AR-15 when you could get a demilitarized AK, or AK knockoff, and but a 20 dollar part to make it full auto. Also it is obviously illegal. Why would you mention that? This is a discussion of how hard/easy it is to bypass said law.

And sanding down a part on an SKS switches it from semi auto to full auto. An sks runs for a couple hundred dollars. Lear2guns.

You are the reason why people want to ban guns.  

My Ar-15 will shot 1000 times better than an ak.  I also shoot at public gun ranges.  
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #138 on: August 16, 2008, 09:04:09 AM »
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

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« Reply #139 on: August 16, 2008, 09:06:41 AM »
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
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« Reply #140 on: August 16, 2008, 09:08:25 AM »
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.
bravo
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« Reply #141 on: August 16, 2008, 09:15:01 AM »
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
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Also at the guy saying i'm the reason people want to ban guns. The discussion at hand was how hard it is to make an automatic weapon.

The AK is 20x more reliable than the AR. Also you don't get that nasty gas leak burning you. The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round. Combine an AK with AP rounds and you can shoot it through an engine block without deforming the round much. I know guns, I stay legal, I just know what they can do. That is the point of the constitution. Be able to do what you need, just only do it when you need.

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« Reply #142 on: August 16, 2008, 09:36:40 AM »
Guns are wicked.
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« Reply #143 on: August 16, 2008, 09:38:07 AM »
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
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« Reply #144 on: August 16, 2008, 09:44:36 AM »
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?

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« Reply #145 on: August 16, 2008, 10:34:45 AM »
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.

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« Reply #146 on: August 16, 2008, 11:10:42 AM »
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.

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« Reply #147 on: August 16, 2008, 11:20:32 AM »
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.
Have you shot an AK? The round the AK uses is effective at 400 meters. The Ak is also not for close quarters but a medium distance weapon. You are thinking of sub machine guns. The AK being an assault rifle has a long enough barrel to be fairly accurate.

As for other cheap AK's that you can buy for a similar price, try the AK74, it is more reliable and more accurate, though it only has a 5.45 mm cartridge.

I don't understand your fetish for the AR-15 in this conversation. If someone is trying to get a hold on an automatic weapon, they want something cheap (it is for an illegal purpose, you aren't going to get much use out of it), reliable, and preferably putting out a heavy round to finish off the target. The AR has it's place in a squad, in distance target practice, and many other places, but it isn't a disposable weapon.

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« Reply #148 on: August 16, 2008, 12:45:46 PM »
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
Want to know why I use a knife?


Also at the guy saying i'm the reason people want to ban guns. The discussion at hand was how hard it is to make an automatic weapon.

The AK is 20x more reliable than the AR. Also you don't get that nasty gas leak burning you. The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round. Combine an AK with AP rounds and you can shoot it through an engine block without deforming the round much. I know guns, I stay legal, I just know what they can do. That is the point of the constitution. Be able to do what you need, just only do it when you need.
If you clean an Ar-15 like you are supposed too, then it will be just as reliable.  I have never been burned by a gas leak.  Ak is not nearly as accurate as an Ar-15.  Why did Israel modify the AK to make the galil?  For better accuracy.  I can shoot 1" MOA or less.  An AR-10 could and maybe even an AR-15 could put an ap round through an engine, whats your point?   
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #149 on: August 16, 2008, 01:07:00 PM »
TTIWWP




Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

We had a point, but everyone had to go into a face first dive onto the AR's cock instead of seeing the point that I was trying to make. There is no reason to ban guns like the AR. A fully automatic weapon is easy to get a hold of. Why ban a perfectly legitimate rifle.

The conversation digressed.