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Title: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 01:36:57 PM
You can't hug someone with a gun.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 14, 2008, 01:45:19 PM
I'd rather hug somebody with a gun than piss them off...
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 14, 2008, 01:51:33 PM
Guns don't kill people. The conspiracy kills people.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 01:51:42 PM
guns should be illegal. You can only kill something with a gun.
Isn't that the same basis that cocaine is illegal?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 01:55:09 PM
other posters: Yes narcberry, excellent observation
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 14, 2008, 01:58:39 PM
With a gun you can make someone hug you.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 02:00:11 PM
That's the only way republicans will ever get someone to agree with them  ::)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 14, 2008, 02:00:23 PM
guns should be illegal.

I don't know if this is satire or if you are serious, but I agree with the quoted statement.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 14, 2008, 02:04:47 PM
guns should be illegal.

I don't know if this is satire or if you are serious, but I agree with the quoted statement.

Then, I regret to inform you that you are an idiot.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 14, 2008, 02:06:57 PM
guns should be illegal. You can only kill something with a gun.
Isn't that the same basis that cocaine is illegal?

Surely guns have other legitimate uses that need to be considered:

To sum up: guns are great.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 14, 2008, 02:10:02 PM
(http://eddddie.googlepages.com/facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 14, 2008, 02:36:54 PM
guns should be illegal.

This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 14, 2008, 02:37:47 PM
Or kill people by other means.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 14, 2008, 02:40:14 PM
This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

Certainly, but why make it any easier for them? Also, what about previous law-abiding citizens who own guns who for whatever reason commit a crime?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 14, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

Certainly, but why make it any easier for them? Also, what about previous law-abiding citizens who own guns who for whatever reason commit a crime?

Yes. This is correct, but it is still no reason to ban guns. That's like wanting to ban guns in the police force because a cop could shoot someone.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 14, 2008, 02:58:26 PM
This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

Certainly, but why make it any easier for them? Also, what about previous law-abiding citizens who own guns who for whatever reason commit a crime?

Yes. This is correct, but it is still no reason to ban guns. That's like wanting to ban guns in the police force because a cop could shoot someone.

Well that wasn't supposed to be a reason for banning guns, only questioning the line of reasoning by Rex.

All in all I think so long as the people aren't gun-toting lunatics there's no reason why they need a ban... I support a ban in the USA.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: positivethinker on August 14, 2008, 03:05:09 PM
Reported for Harrasment.

This is a picture of me posted without my permission.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 14, 2008, 03:09:52 PM
Gun control is a steady hand.


And Narc, come by my house I'll give you my guns.  I promise.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: positivethinker on August 14, 2008, 03:19:36 PM
guns should be illegal. You can only kill something with a gun.
Isn't that the same basis that cocaine is illegal?

lame...

You can kill someone with anything.

Your hands, your foot, your face, your psychic powers....

So everyone and anything should be illegal??

Isn't this the same basis that cocaine is illegal?

No.

and yes sir, the picture is of me. Guessed is Harrasing me and went to my personal website to get it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: positivethinker on August 14, 2008, 03:33:48 PM
Not possible. He accused me of harassing him..and usually when that happens the accuser is the one doing it actually.

Take cheating for example. When you start to cheat on your g/f or b/f you start to question them and blame them...same idea..

He blamed me when in actuality he is the one doing the harassing...

My logic is undeniable.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: positivethinker on August 14, 2008, 03:40:26 PM
I don't live under a bridge nor am I a fearsome member of a mythical race from Norse mythology.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 14, 2008, 04:03:40 PM
Reported for Harrasment.

This is a picture of me posted without my permission.

If it is in the public domain it's free game, don't abuse the system.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 14, 2008, 04:28:52 PM
Um...what's going on?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 14, 2008, 04:39:27 PM
I don't live under a bridge nor am I a fearsome member of a mythical race from Norse mythology.

Reported for derailing a legitimate thread.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 14, 2008, 05:11:10 PM
Reported for Harrasment.

This is a picture of me posted without my permission.

LOL PUBLIC DOMAIN YOU LOSE GOOD DAY SIR
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 06:22:30 PM
guns should be illegal.

This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

If guns are illegal, than yes, only criminals will own guns. durdeedur
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 14, 2008, 06:49:49 PM
guns should be illegal.

This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

If guns are illegal, than yes, only criminals will own guns. durdeedur

And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: physics101 on August 14, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
Guns don't kill people, bullets and loss of blood kill people. Guns did nothing wrong, they have been used by those damn bullets.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 07:04:49 PM
guns should be illegal.

This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

If guns are illegal, than yes, only criminals will own guns. durdeedur

And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.

Let's see, in the United States, there were 0 cases of someone breaking into a home, finding everyone defenseless rapes the wife, then possibly then possibly the children while the husband had no way to protect them.

There were several hundred people who died from gun accidents
Several hundred who died in hunting accidents (yes classified differently)
Several hundred who died in altercations involving guns
Several hundred who dies while drinking and carrying guns

If I were to calculate my risk, I would be much safer by removing a gun from both my hand and yours.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on August 14, 2008, 07:10:07 PM
yes but good luck destroying every gun that ever existed
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 07:14:40 PM
Global warming and rising oceans should rust them all into extinction soon enough.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 14, 2008, 07:23:26 PM
guns should be illegal.

This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

If guns are illegal, than yes, only criminals will own guns. durdeedur


And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.

Let's see, in the United States, there were 0 cases of someone breaking into a home, finding everyone defenseless rapes the wife, then possibly then possibly the children while the husband had no way to protect them.

There were several hundred people who died from gun accidents
Several hundred who died in hunting accidents (yes classified differently)
Several hundred who died in altercations involving guns
Several hundred who dies while drinking and carrying guns

If I were to calculate my risk, I would be much safer by removing a gun from both my hand and yours.

*sigh* You truly are a fucking idiot.


Boy, 15, charged with home invasion, gang rape

By AUSTIN L. MILLER
Star-Banner

Published: Friday, July 11, 2008 at 4:01 p.m.
OCALA Sheriff's detectives arrested a 15-year-old boy Thursday night in connection with a Summerfield home invasion last month during which intruders allegedly pointed guns at the heads of the people inside and raped a woman.

http://www.ocala.com/article/20080711/NEWS/849233022 (http://www.ocala.com/article/20080711/NEWS/849233022)

Published Friday, July 18, 2008 in Local
3 hunted in home invasion and rape

By Elizabeth Richardson

The Times-Herald

Three suspects are being sought in what authorities are describing as a home invasion armed robbery in which a 15-year-old female was raped.

The incident took place Thursday afternoon at a residence in the Beverly Park neighborhood, south of Newnan off Millard Farmer Road.

http://www.times-herald.com/Local/3-hunted-in-home-invasion-and-rape--507493 (http://www.times-herald.com/Local/3-hunted-in-home-invasion-and-rape--507493)



   
   Tue, July 11, 2006 : Last updated 21:59 pm
   
   
   The Nation
   
Home > National > Four held in rape of woman, daughter
   

HOME INVASION
Four held in rape of woman, daughter

Attack 'was in revenge for debt owed by German underworld figure'

 Police yesterday arrested four people suspected of the July 4 rape of a mother and her teenage daughter.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/07/11/national/national_30008453.php (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/07/11/national/national_30008453.php)


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There were several hundred people who died from gun accidents
Several hundred who died in hunting accidents (yes classified differently)
Several hundred who died in altercations involving guns
Several hundred who dies while drinking and carrying guns

If I were to calculate my risk, I would be much safer by removing a gun from both my hand and yours.

And for this part of your completely useless arguement......

Car Crash Stats: There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.

Give me your fucking car keys. Douche.

 


Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on August 14, 2008, 07:26:12 PM
oh and dont forget the 6 year old girl in mississippi that stole her dads gun and shot some one or  something like that   i saw it in that bowling for columbine movie
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 07:35:33 PM
Let's see, in the United States, there were 0 cases of someone breaking into a home, finding everyone defenseless rapes the wife, then possibly then possibly the children while the husband had no way to protect them.

There were several hundred people who died from gun accidents
Several hundred who died in hunting accidents (yes classified differently)
Several hundred who died in altercations involving guns
Several hundred who dies while drinking and carrying guns

If I were to calculate my risk, I would be much safer by removing a gun from both my hand and yours.

Good thing guns were invented, we had no way of protecting our families prior.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 14, 2008, 07:40:26 PM
Ill trade you your car keys for my guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 07:43:44 PM
I'm not a selfish ecodamaging asshole that owns a car. I take the bus.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 14, 2008, 07:49:38 PM
OUTLAW buses they are extremely dangerous!!!111


My guns for your bus pass. Fail. Try again.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/10/casino.bus.crash.ap/ (http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/10/casino.bus.crash.ap/)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/08/AR2008080800159.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/08/AR2008080800159.html)

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/13/Bus_crash_kills_25_in_China/UPI-46451218626273/ (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/08/13/Bus_crash_kills_25_in_China/UPI-46451218626273/)

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15348604.htm (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15348604.htm)



Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 14, 2008, 07:58:16 PM
I don't need to trade, we can just take your guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Mrs. Peach on August 14, 2008, 07:58:44 PM
I'm not a selfish ecodamaging asshole that owns a car. I take the bus.

I'll see your bus and raise you a bicycle.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 14, 2008, 08:14:11 PM
I don't need to trade, we can just take your guns.

As soon as buses are outlawed. I'll turn them in.


*modified*
BTW I invite you to come by and take my guns....or anyone for that matter.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 01:52:22 AM
I agree with most of what Narcberry says.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 01:55:37 AM
You can't hug someone with a gun.

ignorance is bliss isnt it
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 02:03:21 AM
seriously, outlawing guns? really wtf is that gonna do?

Just like cocaine is illegal, it is still here

just like in the prohibition era, alcohol was illegal, but it was still here, and guess who had them? The mob, the gangs, the mafiosos, basically the bad guys. Guess whats gonna happen if we outlawed guns, the only ones thats gonna have them wil be the bad guys. The law abiding citizens who go and buy licenses and take safety courses and training cant have guns bc the gov took them away and all they will have to defend themselves is a devine intervention. What you say is some what good in theory, but its just pie in the sky and very illogical and will not work.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Bad_Influence on August 15, 2008, 02:04:14 AM
Global warming and rising oceans should rust them all into extinction soon enough.

Can you please pull your head out of Al Gores ASS?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Bad_Influence on August 15, 2008, 02:06:11 AM
I'm a selfish ecodamaging asshole that takes the bus.

See admitting it is the first step to recovery.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Bad_Influence on August 15, 2008, 02:07:06 AM
I agree with most of what Narcberry says.

Then you are a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 15, 2008, 02:11:24 AM
I agree with most of what Narcberry says.
You've been smoked out as a huge retard. As if we didn't know that already by your freedum advocacy.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 02:31:26 AM
You've been smoked out as a pacifist.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 15, 2008, 02:46:10 AM
Typical liberal nazi wannabe forcing your beliefs onto everyone else.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 02:49:42 AM
Typical liberal nazi wannabe forcing your beliefs onto everyone else.

Is it not forcing beliefs onto another to take a gun and kill someone? If not outlawed completely, I think guns should at least be regulated a lot more heavily than they are.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 02:53:04 AM

Is it not forcing beliefs onto another to take a gun and kill someone?

that doesnt follow at all with what the topic
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 02:55:15 AM
that doesnt follow at all with what the topic

Well, if you interpret the topic title literally, I don't think any sane person would say that guns, in themselves, are evil. However, I do think that giving the average person the right to own one, without showing reason why they need it (and in my opinion, self-defence isn't a good reason unless there are other factors, such as if someone is trying to kill you or you happen to live or work in an area where armed robbery is common) is just asking for trouble.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:00:47 AM
so youre saying self-defense is an acceptable reason why they should get a gun?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 03:05:21 AM
so youre saying self-defense is an acceptable reason why they should get a gun?

In certain cases, and then only in an interim period as we work towards a world where it is not necessary.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 15, 2008, 03:09:28 AM
If not outlawed completely, I think guns should at least be regulated a lot more heavily than they are.
You're not the only one.

(http://www.political-humor.org/graphics/guncont.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 03:13:55 AM
You're not the only one.

So being against individual ownership of weapons automatically means I support massacres? I am just as opposed to government ownership of weapons of mass destruction as I am to individual ownership of guns. In my opinion, the only people to carry guns should be police, and then only for use when someone is resisting arrest. Of course, being an idealist, not all of my ideas would work in practice.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:16:31 AM
so youre saying self-defense is an acceptable reason why they should get a gun?

In certain cases, and then only in an interim period as we work towards a world where it is not necessary.

ok so then they can buy a gun for just in case purposes, just making sure.

working towards a world with no crime is nothing but pie in the sky and nostalgia. Its not gona happen. If guns are outlawed, crimes will sky rocket. America has a right to defend themselves and their property. People these days are not gonna do the right thing and work for a living, they are going to take what they want. Lets be realistic here. Therefore it is only right to let qualified Americans to own a gun for those just in case purposes. Crime can happen anywhere, even in small hick country towns. Allowing Americans to be on the ready for those just in case purposes can only be fair.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 03:19:16 AM
working towards a world with no crime is nothing but pie in the sky and nostalgia. Its not gona happen. If guns are outlawed, crimes will sky rocket. America has a right to defend themselves and their property. People these days are not gonna do the right thing and work for a living, they are going to take what they want. Lets be realistic here. Therefore it is only right to let qualified Americans to own a gun for those just in case purposes. Crime can happen anywhere, even in small hick country towns. Allowing Americans to be on the ready for those just in case purposes can only be fair.

I tend to think of this more as an indication that America is fucked up than an indication that guns should be able to be owned by anybody.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:21:29 AM
working towards a world with no crime is nothing but pie in the sky and nostalgia. Its not gona happen. If guns are outlawed, crimes will sky rocket. America has a right to defend themselves and their property. People these days are not gonna do the right thing and work for a living, they are going to take what they want. Lets be realistic here. Therefore it is only right to let qualified Americans to own a gun for those just in case purposes. Crime can happen anywhere, even in small hick country towns. Allowing Americans to be on the ready for those just in case purposes can only be fair.

I tend to think of this more as an indication that America is fucked up than an indication that guns should be able to be owned by anybody.

thanks for clarifying my point
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 03:23:01 AM
Can you at least agree that, ignoring practicality, in an ideal world nobody should own a gun?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 15, 2008, 03:35:25 AM
How will I shoot immigrants?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:36:10 AM
Can you at least agree that, ignoring practicality, in an ideal world nobody should own a gun?


but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:38:39 AM
but to ignore practicallity would just be day dreaming. Therefore, not a base to outlaw guns. Hope is not a plan-remember that.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 03:41:13 AM
but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

I don't agree. If people are so far gone as to be such a danger to society, they should not be allowed the freedoms that most people are from whatever stage in childhood their problem is first noted.

how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

You make a good point here. I'm afraid I shall have to eat my words. However, I still do not think just anybody should be able to buy a gun.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:47:17 AM
but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

note- I never said that they would use a gun

I don't agree. If people are so far gone as to be such a danger to society, they should not be allowed the freedoms that most people are from whatever stage in childhood their problem is first noted.
note- I never said that they would use a gun

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how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

You make a good point here. I'm afraid I shall have to eat my words. However, I still do not think just anybody should be able to buy a gun.
[/quote]

neither do i, thats what a 4473 is for, which also doesnt allow mentally challenged Americans to purchase a gun. I also believe the 4473 could be stricter but it does a good job currently on people purchasing a gun. In an ideal world, the 4473 would be sufficient enough to ensure that guns are in the right hands. However, in the real world, people can obtain guns other than the legal way.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 03:57:15 AM
However, in a perfect world, i do agree with you that the only ones that should have guns are cops and hunters. Therefore, guns, in themselves are not evil.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 15, 2008, 04:01:23 AM
Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 04:15:09 AM
Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned


apples and oranges

Australia is an island, therefore not easily accessible

the United States is land bound with Canada and Mexico as its borders. If America is gun-free, Mexico isnt. Mexico has MS13 and Mexican Mafia and even the Mexican Army that can easily penetrate through our borders and easily supply more gangs with guns. Terrorists have also been known to fly into these neighboring countries and infiltrate our border. Completely different.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 04:18:18 AM
note- I never said that they would use a gun

What I meant by "freedoms" was the freedom to live in society as normal people do. If they are that dangerous to other people, why should they be allowed such freedom?

neither do i, thats what a 4473 is for, which also doesnt allow mentally challenged Americans to purchase a gun. I also believe the 4473 could be stricter but it does a good job currently on people purchasing a gun. In an ideal world, the 4473 would be sufficient enough to ensure that guns are in the right hands. However, in the real world, people can obtain guns other than the legal way.

I don't know very much about it, but from what I do know of gun legislation in America, I agree that it should be stricter.

However, in a perfect world, i do agree with you that the only ones that should have guns are cops and hunters. Therefore, guns, in themselves are not evil.

Agreed.

Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned

I live in Australia, however I do not know when guns were banned here, leading me to suspect that it was before my arrival in the country.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 04:21:41 AM
It was 1998, but basically everything plateaued
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 04:23:24 AM
Also what about defending yourself against animal attacks? Bears, deer, badgers, etc. Sometimes a stick isnt gonna do anything but make them mad.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 15, 2008, 04:35:33 AM
Americans really are paranoid aren't they?

OMG there's gonna be criminals going around trying to rape my family and rob me and that's not to mention the bears!!1!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 04:38:00 AM
Americans really are paranoid aren't they?

OMG there's gonna be criminals going around trying to rape my family and rob me and that's not to mention the bears!!1!

and you think the world is flat--we're even
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 15, 2008, 05:54:24 AM
In my opinion, the only people to carry guns should be police, and then only for use when someone is resisting arrest.

The 2nd Amendment was added to ensure that man has the right to bear arms in order to protect against enemies, both foreign and domestic. The Gestapo was also police you know. Any civilian who they found to carry a gun back then was summarily executed. Perhaps not a bad idea eh? Or at the very least torture them a little.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 15, 2008, 06:00:47 AM
The 2nd Amendment was added to ensure that man has the right to bear arms in order to protect against enemies, both foreign and domestic. The Gestapo was also police you know. Any civilian who they found to carry a gun back then was summarily executed. Perhaps not a bad idea eh? Or at the very least torture them a little.

(http://www.demopolislive.com/gallery/images/1/medium/1_the_right_to_bear_arms.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sean O'Grady on August 15, 2008, 06:02:27 AM
and you think the world is flat--we're even

And you think people think the world is flat.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on August 15, 2008, 06:26:52 AM
and you think the world is flat--we're even

And you think people think the world is flat.
owned
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 15, 2008, 07:49:25 AM
This is a good buddy of mine.  If you people are willing to run around defenseless go right ahead.  I will keep my guns thank you. 


Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:25PM EST

Back from Afghanistan, Marine shoots would-be carjacker

The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala.(AP) - A Marine sergeant based in North Carolina who served in Afghanistan earlier this year shot and killed a would-be carjacker.
Sgt. James C. Lowery, 22, returned fire after being shot in the face  in the drive-thru lane of a fast-food restaurant. He was listed in fair condition Thursday at a Montgomery hospital. His father, James Eugene Lowery, said the bullet hit his son in the top left cheek and stopped near his voice box. "He comes back from Afghanistan safe and whole. Then he comes home on leave to have rest and peace and this happens," the father said.

Police said Lowery got out of his Chevrolet Suburban when approached by a gunman in the drive-thru lane of a McDonald's restaurant Tuesday night. The gunman shot Lowery, who was then able to get his .45-caliber pistol from the car and shoot his assailant multiple times. Dead at the scene was Thaddeus Antone, 19, of Montgomery.

The fatal shooting is viewed as self-defense and no charges were filed, police spokesman Lt. Huey Thornton said. It will be reviewed by a grand jury following routine procedure.

Lowery, who was on leave until Sunday, serves with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 252, based at the Marine Corps Air Station at Cherry Point, N.C.

Lowery's father said the unit flies tankers than can refuel aircraft in flight. Lowery, who got married in January, went to Afghanistan a week later and served there for about two months.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 15, 2008, 07:53:41 AM
So because of a few idiots who decide to fuck things up, guns should be made freely available to the general public?

Another objection I have to allowing people to own guns is their cost. Because America is such a capitalist nation, the result is that wealthier people can afford to protect themselves better than poor people. Why should people have more right to protection just because they have more money?

Also, why do you say "guns"? Surely if one gun isn't going to protect you, no amount of ammunition will? Why the need for more than one?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 15, 2008, 09:26:40 AM
Because America is such a capitalist nation, the result is that wealthier people can afford to protect themselves better than poor people.

Dude, you can get a cheap ass shotgun pretty much anywhere. I'm sure when it comes to defending your home, you'll want close, broad shots rather than precision. A blast to the chest will do wonders. And I know a lot of people who have shotguns in their homes.

Now, to be perfectly honest, I can tell you were trying to think fancy and elegant. That only applies to assassination or long range killing, which isn't really something you can defend yourself against, unless you wear full body armor 24/7, drive around in an armored car and the assailant is a poor shot, the first two require lots of money to afford.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 15, 2008, 11:05:55 AM
I love people that make assumptions about america. The poorest people I know own guns. You can get a gun for practically nothing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 15, 2008, 11:09:20 AM
That also doesn't matter. Rich people shoot people too, they can just afford better guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Theorist on August 15, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
Its too late now everyone has guns.

Its all borne out of paranoia anyway, all of it.

You survived 100,000 years or whatever without guns then the last 300 years you "need" them?

Bullshit.

Same applies to oil, gas, electricity, technology... man evolved with none of this therefore it is not necessary.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 15, 2008, 11:24:13 AM
Guns in themselves aren't evil, They could be used in many applications outside of killing. A highly efficient hole-puncher for example. It's people's use of guns which is evil.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 15, 2008, 11:30:28 AM
Guns in themselves aren't evil, They could be used in many applications outside of killing. A highly efficient hole-puncher for example. It's people's use of guns which is evil.

I agree to this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. With knives.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 15, 2008, 11:34:32 AM
Its too late now everyone has guns.

Its all borne out of paranoia anyway, all of it.

You survived 100,000 years or whatever without guns then the last 300 years you "need" them?

Bullshit.

Same applies to oil, gas, electricity, technology... man evolved with none of this therefore it is not necessary.


Most people don't own guns to protect themselves. They own them for target shooting, hunting, display pieces.

And to the guy before this, any gun can kill just as well as any other. More expensive doesn't matter when you're capping someone in the back of the head from 2 feet away.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Theorist on August 15, 2008, 11:36:14 AM
Its like giving a kid a box of matches. Why do it in the first place.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Mr. Ireland on August 15, 2008, 11:55:16 AM
Why are bullets measured in millimeters in a country based on the imperial system?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 15, 2008, 11:57:31 AM
I love the threads aimed directly at the FOX News tards.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Chris Spaghetti on August 15, 2008, 11:59:21 AM
Guns in themselves aren't evil, They could be used in many applications outside of killing. A highly efficient hole-puncher for example. It's people's use of guns which is evil.

I agree to this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. With knives.

Eddie Says it best:
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: fmrl on August 15, 2008, 01:33:21 PM

And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.


Er,..... the validity of your argument is inversely proportional to the likelihood of the scenario described actually happening, but at least you yourself escaped being raped.  :)

In America so many kids are bing shot at school it's obvious the problem is that not enough of these youngsters have guns to defend themselves.  It should be compulsory in the USA for all school children to carry a weapon; the same type of weapon to make things equal I think.  A Dan Wesson .44 or the likes would do the trick. :-\

As an afterthought, has the existence of 'evil' been established or is it just assumed? (ponerologists are invited to discuss)  I think we need a definition of evil before this discussion becomes one of value? ;)

And.... I know a number of American's who are very keen on guns, and what unnerves me about them is that they seem to hope for a situation in which they can shoot someone in order to justify 'carrying'. :(

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 15, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
I love the threads aimed directly at the FOX News tards.

Go fuck yourself.


And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.

Er,..... the validity of your argument is inversely proportional to the likelihood of the scenario described actually happening, but at least you yourself escaped being raped.  :)

In America so many kids are bing shot at school it's obvious the problem is that not enough of these youngsters have guns to defend themselves.  It should be compulsory in the USA for all school children to carry a weapon; the same type of weapon to make things equal I think.  A Dan Wesson .44 or the likes would do the trick. :-\

As an afterthought, has the existence of 'evil' been established or is it just assumed? (ponerologists are invited to discuss)  I think we need a definition of evil before this discussion becomes one of value? ;)

And.... I know a number of American's who are very keen on guns, and what unnerves me about them is that they seem to hope for a situation in which they can shoot someone in order to justify 'carrying'. :(


Your right I did avoid it. Even without a gun I can and would fight back.  My main concern is with my family. I am gone alot and my wife feels better knowing 1. there is a gun in the house if she needs it and 2. she knows how to use it.  End of story.   As for kids in school shooting each other thats a problem of parenting.  I had guns growing up.  My first was when I was 5.  I never shot anyone (or even thought about it for that matter) at school. 

So because of a few idiots who decide to fuck things up, guns should be made freely available to the general public?

Call me when something bad happens to you or your family where you or one of them could have prevented it by protecting yourself.


All of you anti-gun people need to turn in your car keys to me.  You riding around in a dangerous weapon.  Do I need to repost the stats?

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 15, 2008, 04:08:38 PM
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control,
and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing
increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in
1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining
since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree
at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with
a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun
and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense- give
them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns
Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns;
just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer
for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for
hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was
created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned
weapons vehicles buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law,
is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right
of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain
rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,"
and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively,
and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people
to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should
ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5thAmendments to that
Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army
has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military
weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because
they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government
forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent
school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware
stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no
waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were
no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling
guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch"
campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly,
and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to
learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an
accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are
"preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but
revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the
population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon
of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most
people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it
is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for
self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters,
but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution,
and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor and past president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who
should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun
Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN
arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity
pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and
therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns
because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private
citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are
there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible
for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs,
who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need
a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion,
that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from
Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes,
which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands."
Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Space Cowgirl on August 15, 2008, 04:24:29 PM
I love the threads aimed directly at the FOX News tards.

Go fuck yourself.



NO U!  :-*
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 15, 2008, 04:31:19 PM
For the Brits

http://www.rense.com/general11/vbrit.htm (http://www.rense.com/general11/vbrit.htm)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 15, 2008, 06:20:18 PM
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 15, 2008, 06:33:02 PM
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.
See post above your last
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 15, 2008, 06:38:31 PM
And Remember that during the 1990s, When Britain and Australia were more aning  guns, the U.S. was greatly liberalizing individuals' abilities to carry guns. Thirty-seven of the 50 states now have right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns. Yet crime has fallen even faster in these states than the national average. Overall, the states in the U.S. that have experienced the fastest growth rates in gun ownership during this time have experienced the biggest drops in murder rates and other violent crimes.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 15, 2008, 07:34:04 PM
So because of a few idiots who decide to fuck things up, guns should be made freely available to the general public?
No, we should make everyone defensless against criminals and killers.

Another objection I have to allowing people to own guns is their cost. Because America is such a capitalist nation, the result is that wealthier people can afford to protect themselves better than poor people. Why should people have more right to protection just because they have more money?

Also, why do you say "guns"? Surely if one gun isn't going to protect you, no amount of ammunition will? Why the need for more than one?
Move to China you fucking penguin. Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 15, 2008, 07:36:09 PM
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
lol
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 15, 2008, 07:38:22 PM
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
Really that is why in Los Angeles County the Sheriff started a reserve deputy program only for celebrities just so he could issue CCW permits to them but the rest of us were screwed out of it
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 15, 2008, 07:42:45 PM
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
lol
At least hypothetically under American law.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Trekky0623 on August 15, 2008, 07:46:02 PM
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.

O RLY?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 15, 2008, 09:09:50 PM
TTIWWP

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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 15, 2008, 09:21:35 PM
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(http://www.albertlowe.com/images/mywitness.jpg)

(http://www.yellowstonegateway.com/images/rugerKBN45pic.jpg)

(http://www.collectorarms.com/images/American%20Antiques/win90.gif)

(http://site.voila.fr/collectionarme/photos_fichiers/luger_krieghoff_g.jpg)

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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 10:02:37 PM
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.

great so they would get shot up by gangs and people who illegally obtain their guns, great thinking professor.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 10:04:01 PM
Ask Britain how thats going
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 15, 2008, 10:04:35 PM
wow, for people who think the government is lying to you about the shape of the earth, some of you seem to trust these guys way to much. one of the reasons for the 2nd amendment is to keep the govt. in check. if you don't know what i'm talking about, i believe there is a picture in this thread that refers to this. if the govt takes your guns, what prevents them from taking other RIGHTS that are acknowledged in the bill of rights? who stops the gestapo-like police from kicking your door in and dragging you off because of your belief in the FE theory (example)? do you trust the police and politicians to always do what is best for you? you think if you give up your firearms the criminals will do the same? and if they do, do you think the govt will give up their firearms? and if they do, do you think the enemies (pick your favorite) of the US will give up their firearms? bottomline, fight fire with fire. they have guns, so do we. it just evens the odds a bit.

to those talking about school shootings, most of those firearms are aquired illegally or by irresponsible parents, that aided in an illegal act (allowing the child access to the gun). schools are where mass-shootings most often occur. you want to know another interesting fact about schools? they are also "gun-free" zones. *GASP* how is that so many mass-shootings occur when it is a "gun-free" zone? well children, "gun-free" zones make it ILLEGAL to carry a gun on said property, it does not make it IMPOSSIBLE to carry a gun on said property. so, in this case, potential shooters see that it is a victim-rich enviroment, with little chance of the victims being able to defend themselves against a firearm. well, lets get in the mindset of someone who wants to go on a mass shooting.
first potential target- high school:

PROS:
lots of people
small chance of substantial resistance
take cops a long time to organize enough to properly enter building
take cops a long time to search the building
take cops long time to find out if shooter is student, teacher, staff, stranger
large area to avoid cops
most schools protocol calls for students and staff to cover windows to hallways, lock doors, and hide in corner (easy targets)

CONS:
heavey doors with basic locks (solution; use a gun?)
cameras (solution; use a gun?, or "f**k it, i'm gonna die anyways)
some high schools have cops that patrol school (solution; shoot cop first, take his belt with gun, radio, non-lethal weapons, etc.)


second potential target- grocery store

PROS:
lots of people
large area, can avoid/ambush cops/victims easier
lots of exits to escape from

CONS:
potential for armed citizens
possible silent alarms on/under/near cashiers desk
lots of exits for people to escape
large area to contain before shots are heard
to much ditraction (all that free food!!)


some would say "before guns, no one needed guns to defend themselves." that's not true, for two reasons. 1- before guns, there were no guns to defend against. 2- this is the big one, if someone was getting mugged at knife-point, don't you think a gun for the person being mugged would help? just because something doesn't exist doesn't mean it's not needed, or wanted.

next we have the actual self-defense aspect of this argument. you say that odds are that you'll never need to use that concealed firearm in self-defense. that's (gasp) true, but why is that? well, the answer to this question is pretty simple. if you have a firearm legally on your person, that means that you could be surrounded by people who are doing the same thing, right? not likely, but possible. now, lets say that you're on a bus, and there's a man who wants to mug someone when they get off the bus. how does that man go about determining who has a firearm? well, if the population is legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm, he can't tell who is and isn't, unless he's superman and can see through someone's clothes, in which case a gun won't help much anyway ;). that means that picking a target is like ruolette in two ways, 1-it's just a game of chance, 2-you might get a bullet in your skull if you play ;).

lastly, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." that says that we, the people, have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and that right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. that means the govt can't ban certain guns, ammo, magazines, accesories, etc. that also means that the govt can't ask for a reason why and decide if that's a good reason for owning a firearm.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 10:04:54 PM
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
lol
At least hypothetically under American law.

Everyone is created equal, some are just more equal than others
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 15, 2008, 10:08:58 PM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 15, 2008, 10:09:28 PM
as far as school shootings, getting rid of guns will not solve the problem, if they really wanted to do some damage, they will find a way. If guns were outlawed, they will get a gun some other way or will resort to other means such as pipe bombs, so that argument is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 15, 2008, 11:13:09 PM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 15, 2008, 11:42:07 PM
(http://www.albertlowe.com/images/mywitness.jpg)
Load it with hollow points.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 15, 2008, 11:45:09 PM
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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 15, 2008, 11:55:39 PM
(http://www.albertlowe.com/images/mywitness.jpg)
Load it with hollow points.

OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 15, 2008, 11:56:31 PM
Why are bullets measured in millimeters in a country based on the imperial system?
Foreign ammunition is based on millimeters. There is also a standard form of measure for bullets.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 15, 2008, 11:59:05 PM
OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!
Not as evil as the Korean guy carrying dual 9mm pistols loaded with hollow points.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 12:03:41 AM
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
Really that is why in Los Angeles County the Sheriff started a reserve deputy program only for celebrities just so he could issue CCW permits to them but the rest of us were screwed out of it
So corruption = the law?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 12:07:47 AM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 16, 2008, 12:09:27 AM
OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!
Not as evil as the Korean guy carrying dual 9mm pistols loaded with hollow points.

what? you assume because he has two 9mm pistols and hollow points that he's gonna shoot up a college campus and....oh wait, that already happened didn't it?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 16, 2008, 12:16:21 AM
(http://www.albertlowe.com/images/mywitness.jpg)
Load it with hollow points.

OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!

btw it was a 9mm and a 22LR pistol
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 12:19:15 AM
and....oh wait, that already happened didn't it?
Uh, yeah.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 12:22:03 AM
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 16, 2008, 12:24:51 AM
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 12:28:28 AM
It just kills faster with hollow points on unarmored targets. He could have used full metal jackets, but he had to kill fast and move fast.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: IsaacNewtonIsMyHomeboy on August 16, 2008, 12:36:16 AM
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 16, 2008, 12:52:34 AM
Foreign ammunition is based on millimeters. There is also a standard form of measure for bullets.

The US customary system is anything but standard.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 01:08:13 AM
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.
Claiming credentials to back up a false statements "validity"

sure.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 01:44:00 AM
as far as school shootings, getting rid of guns will not solve the problem, if they really wanted to do some damage, they will find a way. If guns were outlawed, they will get a gun some other way or will resort to other means such as pipe bombs, so that argument is irrelevant.
Almost a quarter of school students had access to a gun after they were banned


Edit: that was in England probably helpful to know that
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 16, 2008, 02:06:36 AM
Wow, so if he didn't have hollow points he couldn't kill people?


not through doors
That is the most retarded thing I have heard. A hollow point destroys itself when it hits a door. An AP round would kill people through doors. As would a full metal jacket. In fact hollow points are used to help prevent killing someone through a wall in CQC.

Learn moar.

I was stirring the pot, sir. Im in law enforcement, Im quite well aware what a FMJ and a hollow point can or cant do.

Wow, I see they lowered the standard again. ::)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 16, 2008, 06:19:32 AM
Why are bullets measured in millimeters in a country based on the imperial system?

Because it makes sense.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 07:57:32 AM
TTIWWP

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Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp. 
Why would they sell one illegally $1,000 when they could sell it legally for over $10k?  Not to mention the top ar-15 cost a few hundred over $1,000. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 16, 2008, 07:59:46 AM
Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp.

I wasn't aware there were degrees of legality.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 08:11:44 AM
Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp.

I wasn't aware there were degrees of legality.

What I said might be a lie.  But its illegal to own a full auto that was made on or after 1986 (now I can't remember) and most ar-15s were made after that date.  I'm trying to find the lawsuit that just came about, I have heard different stories but a guy lent an ar-15 to a neighbor and it malfunctioned or was made to shoot full auto, and now they guy is going to jail for a long time.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 08:39:15 AM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp. 
Why would they sell one illegally $1,000 when they could sell it legally for over $10k?  Not to mention the top ar-15 cost a few hundred over $1,000. 
Why would you buy an expensive AR-15 when you could get a demilitarized AK, or AK knockoff, and but a 20 dollar part to make it full auto. Also it is obviously illegal. Why would you mention that? This is a discussion of how hard/easy it is to bypass said law.

And sanding down a part on an SKS switches it from semi auto to full auto. An sks runs for a couple hundred dollars. Lear2guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 09:01:16 AM
You can also get those spring clips to put behind the trigger.  Kind of a makeshift fully auto but it works.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

Turning an ar-15 to full auto is extremely illegal.  Maybe even more legal than owning a full auto without a tax stamp. 
Why would they sell one illegally $1,000 when they could sell it legally for over $10k?  Not to mention the top ar-15 cost a few hundred over $1,000. 
Why would you buy an expensive AR-15 when you could get a demilitarized AK, or AK knockoff, and but a 20 dollar part to make it full auto. Also it is obviously illegal. Why would you mention that? This is a discussion of how hard/easy it is to bypass said law.

And sanding down a part on an SKS switches it from semi auto to full auto. An sks runs for a couple hundred dollars. Lear2guns.

You are the reason why people want to ban guns.  

My Ar-15 will shot 1000 times better than an ak.  I also shoot at public gun ranges.  
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 16, 2008, 09:04:09 AM
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 16, 2008, 09:06:41 AM
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 09:08:25 AM
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.
bravo
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 09:15:01 AM
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
Want to know why I use a knife?


Also at the guy saying i'm the reason people want to ban guns. The discussion at hand was how hard it is to make an automatic weapon.

The AK is 20x more reliable than the AR. Also you don't get that nasty gas leak burning you. The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round. Combine an AK with AP rounds and you can shoot it through an engine block without deforming the round much. I know guns, I stay legal, I just know what they can do. That is the point of the constitution. Be able to do what you need, just only do it when you need.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 16, 2008, 09:36:40 AM
Guns are wicked.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 16, 2008, 09:38:07 AM
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
Want to know why I use a knife?

Shut up, that's my line.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 09:44:36 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 10:34:45 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.

@ hara

the line fit.

Also it's the joker's line, and he died, so.... yeah.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 11:10:42 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 11:20:32 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.
Have you shot an AK? The round the AK uses is effective at 400 meters. The Ak is also not for close quarters but a medium distance weapon. You are thinking of sub machine guns. The AK being an assault rifle has a long enough barrel to be fairly accurate.

As for other cheap AK's that you can buy for a similar price, try the AK74, it is more reliable and more accurate, though it only has a 5.45 mm cartridge.

I don't understand your fetish for the AR-15 in this conversation. If someone is trying to get a hold on an automatic weapon, they want something cheap (it is for an illegal purpose, you aren't going to get much use out of it), reliable, and preferably putting out a heavy round to finish off the target. The AR has it's place in a squad, in distance target practice, and many other places, but it isn't a disposable weapon.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 12:45:46 PM
And you're the reason people commit murder with guns.

Honestly, I would never commit murder with a gun. I'd use poison instead, because it's less messy. Hey, I have an idea: To stop me from killing someone, let's ban every toxic agent known to man! ::)
Want to know why I use a knife?


Also at the guy saying i'm the reason people want to ban guns. The discussion at hand was how hard it is to make an automatic weapon.

The AK is 20x more reliable than the AR. Also you don't get that nasty gas leak burning you. The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round. Combine an AK with AP rounds and you can shoot it through an engine block without deforming the round much. I know guns, I stay legal, I just know what they can do. That is the point of the constitution. Be able to do what you need, just only do it when you need.
If you clean an Ar-15 like you are supposed too, then it will be just as reliable.  I have never been burned by a gas leak.  Ak is not nearly as accurate as an Ar-15.  Why did Israel modify the AK to make the galil?  For better accuracy.  I can shoot 1" MOA or less.  An AR-10 could and maybe even an AR-15 could put an ap round through an engine, whats your point?   
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 01:07:00 PM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

We had a point, but everyone had to go into a face first dive onto the AR's cock instead of seeing the point that I was trying to make. There is no reason to ban guns like the AR. A fully automatic weapon is easy to get a hold of. Why ban a perfectly legitimate rifle.

The conversation digressed.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 01:12:24 PM
TTIWWP

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l448/sokarul/DSC_0335.jpg)


Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

We had a point, but everyone had to go into a face first dive onto the AR's cock instead of seeing the point that I was trying to make. There is no reason to ban guns like the AR. A fully automatic weapon is easy to get a hold of. Why ban a perfectly legitimate rifle.

The conversation digressed.
Yeah, there is no reason to ban Assault rifles like Denver does. 
I could by an M-16 trigger set or I could spend the Over $10k and a whole $200 for the tax stamp and then actually be able to shoot it. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 01:14:10 PM
Exactly. Plus there are literally hundreds of thousands of fully automatic rifles floating around.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 03:09:06 PM
And where is all the evidence that less guns equal less crime?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 03:11:33 PM
There isn't any.  Much like all of Narc's threads/accusations.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 16, 2008, 03:20:06 PM
what do you mean there isn't any evidence that proves less guns= less crimes? los angeles, chicago, DC, NYC, are all great examples of how well gun control works. ;D
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 16, 2008, 03:40:28 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 04:05:06 PM
what do you mean there isn't any evidence that proves less guns= less crimes? los angeles, chicago, DC, NYC, are all great examples of how well gun control works. ;D
let us not forget that hotbed of crime, Arizona with all of their guns.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 04:32:12 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!

Canada is already covered.  Try reading, it helps to make you look less ignorant.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 05:24:04 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 05:49:04 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
You would piss off all of the mexicans who believe that california is part of mexico (la raza and Mecha)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 05:53:44 PM
Either way I'm keeping my guns.

As a side note.  I had to go get my annual currency on the M-16A2 last week at the rifle range.  Expert as usual. 

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 06:32:02 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
You would piss off all of the mexicans who believe that california is part of mexico (la raza and Mecha)
So. Fuck em. We built a wall remember. Did I mention armed guards?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 06:36:20 PM
but these groups are already here! Hell there are people in our govenment that are already members of these groups Cruz Bustamante anyone!?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 16, 2008, 06:38:53 PM
but these groups are already here! Hell there are people in our govenment that are already members of these groups Cruz Bustamante anyone!?
That is why we deport dissenters (let them go to the country they so don't want walled off from. If america isn't good enough for them then why are they here).
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 16, 2008, 07:06:22 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!

did you read my post? it presents LEGITIMATE arguments against your fascist beliefs that would make this country completely reliant on cops and govt officials.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 16, 2008, 07:42:14 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
I fucking hate California, and guns are not illegal in Canada.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 16, 2008, 07:44:52 PM
but these groups are already here! Hell there are people in our govenment that are already members of these groups Cruz Bustamante anyone!?
Then build another wall around them!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 07:49:06 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
I fucking hate California, and guns are not illegal in Canada.
California is great it is just all of the Hippie Democrats that ruin it you get down into orange county and it a different state all together
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 09:27:37 PM
Have you shot an AK? The round the AK uses is effective at 400 meters. The Ak is also not for close quarters but a medium distance weapon. You are thinking of sub machine guns. The AK being an assault rifle has a long enough barrel to be fairly accurate.
No, I wasn't thinking about sub machine guns; there is a difference. You can't deny this, but it is understood that the AK47 is used for infantry fights and not long range shooting like the M-16 families. The AK47 actually has a maximum effective range of 800m (sight), but you wouldn't shoot an enemy infantry that far with it. I guess accuracy is relative: Vs the M-16 or its variants in range accuracy, the AK stands no chance. In close-quarter fights, the AK is a beast compared to the M-16 or its variants. In medium range, I would still go for the M16 for accuracy (longer barrel).

Quote from: wikipedia
The AK-47 was initially designed for ease of operation and repair by glove-wearing Soviet soldiers in Arctic conditions. The large gas piston, generous clearances between moving parts, and tapered cartridge case design allow the gun to endure large amounts of foreign matter and fouling without failing to cycle. This reliability comes at the cost of accuracy, as the looser tolerances do not allow for precision and consistency. Reflecting Soviet infantry doctrine of its time, the rifle is meant to be part of massed infantry fire, not long range engagements.

The AK-47's ergonomics were often considered more comfortable than the M16's, the AK-47's shorter length and folding stock versus fixed or telescopic stock aids in close quarters combat.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 16, 2008, 09:31:13 PM
Did I mention armed guards?
Grunka lunka dunkity darmedguards...
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 09:57:46 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
You would piss off all of the mexicans who believe that california is part of mexico (la raza and Mecha)
Well it was.  Also la raza and Mecha have nothing to do with your argument.  You probably meant Aztlan.   
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 16, 2008, 09:59:17 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 10:08:04 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
You would piss off all of the mexicans who believe that california is part of mexico (la raza and Mecha)
Well it was.  Also la raza and Mecha have nothing to do with your argument.  You probably meant Aztlan.   
There are a few, I listed the 2 I am familiar with
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 16, 2008, 10:11:34 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.

but we kicked them out with our scary guns!!!!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 16, 2008, 10:12:31 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.

but we kicked them out with our scary guns!!!!
Perhaps you pale-faces are compensating for something...
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 10:15:37 PM
I vote for Mexico to become the next 51st state of the United States of America.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 10:16:20 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 16, 2008, 10:18:04 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country
Shouldn't you be out burning a cross or something?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Jack on August 16, 2008, 10:20:13 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country
Shouldn't you be out burning a cross or something?

Woah Woah Woah. That's a mouthful.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 16, 2008, 10:23:18 PM
I vote for Mexico to become the next 51st state of the United States of America.

As opposed to the previous 51st state?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 16, 2008, 10:29:26 PM
Interesting, I leave for a few minutes and the gun activists change the conversation from "gun are evil because they only kill people" to "best ways to kill people with guns"


It's safe to say all guns should be illegal. If I were president, I wouldn't just stop at our borders, Canada and Mexico must outlaw them too. With congressional support, we can pass such a law!
I say we wall off canada and mexico. Prevent them from bringing in their sinful lifestyles of catholicism, and homosexuality. Also California will become part of canada. Washington will be sacrificed to accomplish this.
You would piss off all of the mexicans who believe that california is part of mexico (la raza and Mecha)
Well it was.  Also la raza and Mecha have nothing to do with your argument.  You probably meant Aztlan.   
There are a few, I listed the 2 I am familiar with
La raza means "the people" and Mecha is for Islam. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 10:29:48 PM
I vote for Mexico to become the next 51st state of the United States of America.

As opposed to the previous 51st state?

Puerto Rico?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 16, 2008, 10:35:02 PM
Puerto Rico?

I don't know much about American history, but from what I can gather from reading Wikipedia, Puerto Rico was given independence before Hawai'i joined the union.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 10:36:16 PM
Guam?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 16, 2008, 10:42:13 PM
Guam?

NO U!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 16, 2008, 10:48:49 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country

Yeah, and then they took yer jerbs!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 16, 2008, 10:50:39 PM
Offtopic.


Case and point: guns can't tuck your children in at night.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 16, 2008, 10:53:03 PM
addendum: But they sure help. /thread.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 11:00:13 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country
Shouldn't you be out burning a cross or something?
Why would I do that, does knowing the history of ones country mean that we need to burn crosses?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 16, 2008, 11:01:09 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country
Shouldn't you be out burning a cross or something?
Why would I do that, does knowing the history of ones country mean that we need to burn crosses?
Uh...is that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 16, 2008, 11:02:08 PM
The Mexicans were there first, you white pieces of shit.
They should be happy that we let have as much as we did since at one point in the war we controlled the entire country
Shouldn't you be out burning a cross or something?
Why would I do that, does knowing the history of ones country mean that we need to burn crosses?
Uh...is that a rhetorical question?
Pretty much
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 16, 2008, 11:02:35 PM
Okay then.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 16, 2008, 11:33:25 PM
Offtopic.


Case and point: guns can't tuck your children in at night.

What if I tuck my children in at nite with their guns?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 17, 2008, 06:27:51 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.

The trajectory and reach of a 7.62 round are far superior to the 5.56 round. For CQB there is no weapon more used than the H&K MP5 in all of its varieties. If you're shopping for the ultimate SMG, look no further than the FN P90 in 5.7 caliber. When loaded with SS190 rounds it will penetrate 48 layers of kevlar at 150 yards. It's produced not far from where I live. It's also highly illegal to own one.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 17, 2008, 08:30:28 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.

The trajectory and reach of a 7.62 round are far superior to the 5.56 round. For CQB there is no weapon more used than the H&K MP5 in all of its varieties. If you're shopping for the ultimate SMG, look no further than the FN P90 in 5.7 caliber. When loaded with SS190 rounds it will penetrate 48 layers of kevlar at 150 yards. It's produced not far from where I live. It's also highly illegal to own one.

1. Yes, 7.62 will go further than the .223.  But all this talk about the .223 being underpowered is crap. 
2. The MP5 is a good gun, but there are others that are up there with it.  The UZI being one.  It was designed for CQB. 
3.  Civilians can own the PS 90, its semi auto. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 17, 2008, 10:06:15 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.

The trajectory and reach of a 7.62 round are far superior to the 5.56 round. For CQB there is no weapon more used than the H&K MP5 in all of its varieties. If you're shopping for the ultimate SMG, look no further than the FN P90 in 5.7 caliber. When loaded with SS190 rounds it will penetrate 48 layers of kevlar at 150 yards. It's produced not far from where I live. It's also highly illegal to own one.

1. Yes, 7.62 will go further than the .223.  But all this talk about the .223 being underpowered is crap. 
2. The MP5 is a good gun, but there are others that are up there with it.  The UZI being one.  It was designed for CQB. 
3.  Civilians can own the PS 90, its semi auto. 

1. It will go further faster doing more damage. Nuff said.

2. The MP5 owes its accuracy to a unique blowback system. That's why it is used by Navy Seals, SWAT, GSG9 etc. The Uzi is nowhere near that, not even in the same class. It is however very easy to clean and assemble, which is nice.

3. Over here we get nada. Strictly army and police.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 17, 2008, 10:14:05 AM
ITT: The NRA is looking for new members.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 17, 2008, 10:19:15 AM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.

The trajectory and reach of a 7.62 round are far superior to the 5.56 round. For CQB there is no weapon more used than the H&K MP5 in all of its varieties. If you're shopping for the ultimate SMG, look no further than the FN P90 in 5.7 caliber. When loaded with SS190 rounds it will penetrate 48 layers of kevlar at 150 yards. It's produced not far from where I live. It's also highly illegal to own one.

1. Yes, 7.62 will go further than the .223.  But all this talk about the .223 being underpowered is crap. 
2. The MP5 is a good gun, but there are others that are up there with it.  The UZI being one.  It was designed for CQB. 
3.  Civilians can own the PS 90, its semi auto. 

1. It will go further faster doing more damage. Nuff said.

2. The MP5 owes its accuracy to a unique blowback system. That's why it is used by Navy Seals, SWAT, GSG9 etc. The Uzi is nowhere near that, not even in the same class. It is however very easy to clean and assemble, which is nice.

3. Over here we get nada. Strictly army and police.

1.  To bad you cant hit shit with an ak at those distances. 
2.  The uzi is actually really accurate. Its bolt allows for a longer barrel. 
3.  Can't help you there. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 17, 2008, 10:29:41 AM
Puerto Rico?

I don't know much about American history, but from what I can gather from reading Wikipedia, Puerto Rico was given independence before Hawai'i joined the union.
Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands are all U.S. Territories, they are U.S. citizens but they do not get to vote, Puerto Rico voted to become the 51st state a few years ago put it did not pass. Which is good for them because they pay even less taxes than those of us that live in the states
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 17, 2008, 10:31:30 AM
I vote for Mexico to become the next 51st state of the United States of America.

As opposed to the previous 51st state?
Mexico should have been the 51st state but you know that stupid Missouri Compromise messed it all up
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 17, 2008, 09:43:48 PM
Offtopic.


Case and point: guns can't tuck your children in at night.

neither can any other inanimate objects, and it'd take a really smart dog to be able to do it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 17, 2008, 10:47:06 PM
Your stove can't tuck your kids in at night either, who would have thought  :o
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 17, 2008, 10:51:03 PM
Neither can your car.  And both guns and cars are equally as dangerous.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 17, 2008, 10:52:16 PM
Cars are more dangerous. If a car going faster than the speed of sound hit you, then you would be dead no questions asked. When a gun hits you with a bullet going that fast, you usually survive with medical attention.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 17, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Neither can your car.  And both guns and cars are equally as dangerous.
Hy don't underestimate the killing power of your stove! That is one cold hearted son of a bitch, it is either us or them
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 17, 2008, 11:01:40 PM
Neither can your car.  And both guns and cars are equally as dangerous.
Hy don't underestimate the killing power of your stove! That is one cold hearted son of a bitch, it is either us or them

Especially if you leave bullets in it.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 04:52:46 AM
If a car going faster than the speed of sound hit you, then you would be dead no questions asked.

I don't know what things are like where you live, but over here it isn't legal to drive faster than 110 km/h.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 18, 2008, 04:59:04 AM
much less triple that speed.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 05:39:46 AM
much less triple that speed.

The speed of sound in air at standard atmospheric temperature and pressure is a lot more than triple that speed.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 18, 2008, 07:08:19 AM
Right, sorry. I just remembered the number, and temporarily forgot that it was in m/s. So, 10 times that speed.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 08:52:23 AM
If a car going faster than the speed of sound hit you, then you would be dead no questions asked.

I don't know what things are like where you live, but over here it isn't legal to drive faster than 110 km/h.
It is also illegal to fire a gun at someone where you live. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. This is a hypothetical about how dangerous each object is.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 09:08:51 AM
It is also illegal to fire a gun at someone where you live. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. This is a hypothetical about how dangerous each object is.

Okay then, find me an internal combustion powered vehicle that can exceed the speed of sound.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 18, 2008, 09:10:41 AM
Do jet engines count as internal combustion.  In the literal sense I think they would.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 09:13:28 AM
Do jet engines count as internal combustion.  In the literal sense I think they would.

Was there supposed to be a question in there somewhere?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 18, 2008, 09:16:51 AM
Yeah sorry the first one.

Do jet engines count as internal combustion?


Or are you being sarcastic towards my comment?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 09:19:40 AM
Yeah sorry the first one.

Do jet engines count as internal combustion?


Or are you being sarcastic towards my comment?

I was being sarcastic, yes. Also, for the purposes of my proposition to Raist, no they do not.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 09:20:10 AM
It is also illegal to fire a gun at someone where you live. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. This is a hypothetical about how dangerous each object is.

Okay then, find me an internal combustion powered vehicle that can exceed the speed of sound.
Every vehicle on earth can exceed the speed of sound. Whether the engine can force it to go faster than the speed of sound is doubtful, but also completely irrelevant to the point.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 09:26:04 AM
Every vehicle on earth can exceed the speed of sound. Whether the engine can force it to go faster than the speed of sound is doubtful, but also completely irrelevant to the point.

I thought I might get an answer like this. Okay then: find me a vehicle powered only by internal combustion that is likely to move faster than the speed of sound in an area with significant pedestrian activity when operated in the most common way.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 09:36:29 AM
Every vehicle on earth can exceed the speed of sound. Whether the engine can force it to go faster than the speed of sound is doubtful, but also completely irrelevant to the point.

I thought I might get an answer like this. Okay then: find me a vehicle powered only by internal combustion that is likely to move faster than the speed of sound in an area with significant pedestrian activity when operated in the most common way.
I was just saying cars are more dangerous than guns. What are the odds a nuke will hit the city you live in? Do you consider a nuke more dangerous than guns?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 09:42:48 AM
I was just saying cars are more dangerous than guns. What are the odds a nuke will hit the city you live in? Do you consider a nuke more dangerous than guns?

Nukes have largely the same effect no matter where they are detonated. A car will have a different effect if it is travelling at 60 km/h to if it is travelling at 1200 km/h.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 09:44:14 AM
I was just saying cars are more dangerous than guns. What are the odds a nuke will hit the city you live in? Do you consider a nuke more dangerous than guns?

Nukes have largely the same effect no matter where they are detonated. A car will have a different effect if it is travelling at 60 km/h to if it is travelling at 1200 km/h.
not the question. the nuke has to be detonated first, a very rare occurance. Usually they just lay around doing nothing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 10:07:35 AM
not the question. the nuke has to be detonated first, a very rare occurance. Usually they just lay around doing nothing.

Nukes are detonated more often than cars travel faster than sound in places where their probability of colliding with a pedestrian is not negligible.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 10:42:40 AM
not the question. the nuke has to be detonated first, a very rare occurance. Usually they just lay around doing nothing.

Nukes are detonated more often than cars travel faster than sound in places where their probability of colliding with a pedestrian is not negligible.
Zero Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles carrying nukes have killed people. Does that make them less dangerous than guns?

I was just saying the car was more dangerous than the gun under the same conditions.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 10:45:34 AM
Zero Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles carrying nukes have killed people. Does that make them less dangerous than guns?

I was just saying the car was more dangerous than the gun under the same conditions.

That's like saying that glue is more likely to kill you than food if you eat it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:33:33 AM
Zero Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles carrying nukes have killed people. Does that make them less dangerous than guns?

I was just saying the car was more dangerous than the gun under the same conditions.

That's like saying that glue is more likely to kill you than food if you eat it.
Well glue is a lot more dangerous than food.....

Though if you mean elmer glue, it is not toxic, eat away.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 11:36:16 AM
Well glue is a lot more dangerous than food.....

Though if you mean elmer glue, it is not toxic, eat away.

The point is that most people don't shove glue into their mouth three times a day.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:37:21 AM
Well glue is a lot more dangerous than food.....

Though if you mean elmer glue, it is not toxic, eat away.

The point is that most people don't shove glue into their mouth three times a day.
and most people don't shoot themselves. I fail to see your point.

So you agree cars are more dangerous than guns?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 12:17:19 PM
and most people don't shoot themselves. I fail to see your point.

So you agree cars are more dangerous than guns?

Only in the sense and to the extent that I agree that glue is more dangerous than food.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 12:19:27 PM
and most people don't shoot themselves. I fail to see your point.

So you agree cars are more dangerous than guns?

Only in the sense and to the extent that I agree that glue is more dangerous than food.
Glue is non toxic. Choking on food kills more people than ingesting glue ever could. Reverse the example and it will make sense. Trolling with you sucks.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 12:32:36 PM
Glue is non toxic. Choking on food kills more people than ingesting glue ever could. Reverse the example and it will make sense. Trolling with you sucks.

Alright, then replace "glue" with "petrol". Or, if you are American and therefore wrong, "gas".
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 12:37:09 PM
Glue is non toxic. Choking on food kills more people than ingesting glue ever could. Reverse the example and it will make sense. Trolling with you sucks.

Alright, then replace "glue" with "petrol". Or, if you are American and therefore wrong, "gas".
Ok, so cars are more dangerous than guns in the same way as drinking petrol is more dangerous than food. I can agree to that.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 12:42:50 PM
Ok, so cars are more dangerous than guns in the same way as drinking petrol is more dangerous than food. I can agree to that.

Glad we're on the same plane.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Moonlit on August 18, 2008, 12:44:11 PM
Okay sense guns have no conciousness they can't be evil but I'm assuming you mean the use of guns is evil.
In that case.  If a man breaks into my home with every intention of harming me and my family and I shoot him dead in self defense, is that evil?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 01:23:04 PM
Okay sense guns have no conciousness they can't be evil but I'm assuming you mean the use of guns is evil.
In that case.  If a man breaks into my home with every intention of harming me and my family and I shoot him dead in self defense, is that evil?
Did he plan to kill you? Could you have just shot him in the leg and left him alive? Did you do something to provoke him, such as breaking into his home and harming his family? Are you satan?

Answer these questions then i can decide if that would be evil.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Moonlit on August 18, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
Okay sense guns have no conciousness they can't be evil but I'm assuming you mean the use of guns is evil.
In that case.  If a man breaks into my home with every intention of harming me and my family and I shoot him dead in self defense, is that evil?
Did he plan to kill you? Could you have just shot him in the leg and left him alive? Did you do something to provoke him, such as breaking into his home and harming his family? Are you satan?

Answer these questions then i can decide if that would be evil.
In all cases where my family is in danger I assume the worst.  I wouldn't know whether he had planned to kill unless he blantantly stated it.  Either way I'd probably kill him.  Why?  In Louisiana (aka Lousyana) you can break into someone's home, be shot in the leg or you can just slip in some water on their kitchen floor and you have the right to sue them.  If that's not the dumbest law I've ever heard.  Regardless, in my eyes if you mean to harm my family, death or not, I'd kill to protect them.
Let's also assume that I've never met this man before in my life.  He's simply breaking in to a random home for personal gains whether it be theft, pleasure from torturing and/or killing us, or just for sport.
And lastly, LOL, I don't really believe in Satan and do not recall any converstions with celestial beings so I'd have to say no.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 18, 2008, 01:45:14 PM
yeah, asking narc legitimate, logical questions about guns, is stupid because he just ignores them. i've already tried in this thread, only flaming, trolling, and off-topic crap get a response from narc.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Moonlit on August 18, 2008, 01:54:06 PM
yeah, asking narc legitimate, logical questions about guns, is stupid because he just ignores them. i've already tried in this thread, only flaming, trolling, and off-topic crap get a response from narc.
LOL.  I've noticed a trend.  So far I haven't seen much of anything to back up any of his "facts".  But hey, I figured I'd give it a go.   ;)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 02:05:09 PM
It is also illegal to fire a gun at someone where you live. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. This is a hypothetical about how dangerous each object is.

Okay then, find me an internal combustion powered vehicle that can exceed the speed of sound.
Every vehicle on earth can exceed the speed of sound. Whether the engine can force it to go faster than the speed of sound is doubtful, but also completely irrelevant to the point.
Even a 1973 Lime Green Pinto?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 18, 2008, 02:06:46 PM
well he is right that guns can't tuck your kids in at night. he'd also be right if he said pencils, trees, cd's, computers, phones, board games, and cameras can't tuck your kids in either.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 02:07:39 PM
Okay sense guns have no conciousness they can't be evil but I'm assuming you mean the use of guns is evil.
In that case.  If a man breaks into my home with every intention of harming me and my family and I shoot him dead in self defense, is that evil?
Did he plan to kill you? Could you have just shot him in the leg and left him alive? Did you do something to provoke him, such as breaking into his home and harming his family? Are you satan?

Answer these questions then i can decide if that would be evil.
In all cases where my family is in danger I assume the worst.  I wouldn't know whether he had planned to kill unless he blantantly stated it.  Either way I'd probably kill him.  Why?  In Louisiana (aka Lousyana) you can break into someone's home, be shot in the leg or you can just slip in some water on their kitchen floor and you have the right to sue them.  If that's not the dumbest law I've ever heard.  Regardless, in my eyes if you mean to harm my family, death or not, I'd kill to protect them.
Let's also assume that I've never met this man before in my life.  He's simply breaking in to a random home for personal gains whether it be theft, pleasure from torturing and/or killing us, or just for sport.
And lastly, LOL, I don't really believe in Satan and do not recall any converstions with celestial beings so I'd have to say no.
You are obviously not a god fearing christian. Therefor all actions by you are evil. You are denied all the best ultrasex.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 02:08:26 PM
It is also illegal to fire a gun at someone where you live. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. This is a hypothetical about how dangerous each object is.

Okay then, find me an internal combustion powered vehicle that can exceed the speed of sound.
Every vehicle on earth can exceed the speed of sound. Whether the engine can force it to go faster than the speed of sound is doubtful, but also completely irrelevant to the point.
Even a 1973 Lime Green Pinto?
No, after reaching 65 miles per hour, colliding with an air particle would cause you to burst into flames.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 02:09:56 PM
No, after reaching 65 miles per hour, colliding with an air particle would cause you to burst into flames.

What if you were in a vacuum?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 02:16:42 PM
No, after reaching 65 miles per hour, colliding with an air particle would cause you to burst into flames.

What if you were in a vacuum?
Pretty sure it would still burst into flames

Except I disagree I dont think it would hit 65mph (around 100kmh you you others) before it burst into flames
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
Pretty sure it would still burst into flames

Except I disagree I dont think it would hit 65mph (around 100kmh you you others) before it burst into flames

Tell me, what is the speed of sound in a vacuum?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 02:25:18 PM
Pretty sure it would still burst into flames

Except I disagree I dont think it would hit 65mph (around 100kmh you you others) before it burst into flames

Tell me, what is the speed of sound in a vacuum?
You are really underestimating the explosive power of a pinto.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
You are really underestimating the explosive power of a pinto.

How does something burst into flames without any oxygen about?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 02:33:10 PM
You are really underestimating the explosive power of a pinto.

How does something burst into flames without any oxygen about?
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 18, 2008, 02:39:37 PM
The AK is a perfectly accurate weapon with a much larger round.
Which one?
The 47 of course. I would have specified otherwise.
Then I have to disagree with you. The 47 is designed for close-quarters fights under harsh condition, without being repaired or cleaned too often. Thus, it is goes for reliability at the cost of accuracy.

The trajectory and reach of a 7.62 round are far superior to the 5.56 round. For CQB there is no weapon more used than the H&K MP5 in all of its varieties. If you're shopping for the ultimate SMG, look no further than the FN P90 in 5.7 caliber. When loaded with SS190 rounds it will penetrate 48 layers of kevlar at 150 yards. It's produced not far from where I live. It's also highly illegal to own one.

1. Yes, 7.62 will go further than the .223.  But all this talk about the .223 being underpowered is crap. 
2. The MP5 is a good gun, but there are others that are up there with it.  The UZI being one.  It was designed for CQB. 
3.  Civilians can own the PS 90, its semi auto. 

1. It will go further faster doing more damage. Nuff said.

2. The MP5 owes its accuracy to a unique blowback system. That's why it is used by Navy Seals, SWAT, GSG9 etc. The Uzi is nowhere near that, not even in the same class. It is however very easy to clean and assemble, which is nice.

3. Over here we get nada. Strictly army and police.

1.  To bad you cant hit shit with an ak at those distances. 
2.  The uzi is actually really accurate. Its bolt allows for a longer barrel. 
3.  Can't help you there. 

1. Depends on who's doing the shooting.

2. The Uzi is notoriously inaccurate. Only the carabine model has a longer barrel.  

3. That's ok. I sold my guns years ago. Knives are way cooler.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 02:41:40 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 02:44:51 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.
The pinto would find a way, it has found a way to burst into flames ina every other situation so I am sure it would be able to do it there
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 02:49:42 PM
The pinto would find a way, it has found a way to burst into flames ina every other situation so I am sure it would be able to do it there

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 03:09:56 PM
The pinto would find a way, it has found a way to burst into flames ina every other situation so I am sure it would be able to do it there

Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/7c/Car_explosion.jpg/300px-Car_explosion.jpg)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 03:20:32 PM
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/7c/Car_explosion.jpg/300px-Car_explosion.jpg)

That looks like it's burning in oxygen to me.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 18, 2008, 03:23:01 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 03:23:07 PM
Pretty sure it would still burst into flames

Except I disagree I dont think it would hit 65mph (around 100kmh you you others) before it burst into flames

Tell me, what is the speed of sound in a vacuum?
12
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 03:25:00 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Untrue. High explosives will do so easily.

There are many sorts of flame that are not due to oxidization.

Also the pinto always explodes. No matter what.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/7c/Car_explosion.jpg/300px-Car_explosion.jpg)

That looks like it's burning in oxygen to me.
Really? I don't see any oxygen in the picture
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 18, 2008, 03:38:14 PM
Thats because oxygen doesn't exist in FET.  Just like gravity.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 03:41:03 PM
Really? I don't see any oxygen in the picture

I don't see a lack of oxygen.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
Really? I don't see any oxygen in the picture

I don't see a lack of oxygen.
show me the oxygen
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 03:44:19 PM
Really? I don't see any oxygen in the picture

I don't see a lack of oxygen.
In a fireball there usually is very little oxygen.

Also MSI tells me to tell you they love their mommy cuz she fucked their dad.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 03:47:28 PM
show me the oxygen

Just make sure you are more than a few molecules away from your computer screen. Now look at the picture. There's your oxygen.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 04:09:51 PM
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 18, 2008, 04:11:01 PM
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

Make sure you are breathing. If you don't die, then yes.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 04:11:45 PM
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

Make sure you are breathing. If you don't die, then yes.
Really? what does this have to do with oxygen? I breathe in the element wind. It sustains my motion.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 04:12:30 PM
Do you have any evidence to support your outlandish claims?

Make sure you are breathing. If you don't die, then yes.
no that is nitrogen, oxygen is just made up by the conspiracy to make a boat load of money
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 18, 2008, 05:19:58 PM

1. Depends on who's doing the shooting.

2. The Uzi is notoriously inaccurate. Only the carabine model has a longer barrel.  

3. That's ok. I sold my guns years ago. Knives are way cooler.

1. I supposed, but the same person will most likely shoot an AR better than an AK. 

2. The UZI is in the same category as the MP5.  It shoots just as accurate.  I am talking about the older full size. 

3.  Something something, don't bring a knife to a gun fight, something something. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 05:43:18 PM
Don't bring a gun to a holocaust.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 18, 2008, 06:39:22 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Untrue. High explosives will do so easily.

There are many sorts of flame that are not due to oxidization.

Also the pinto always explodes. No matter what.

fire and explosions are two different things. you can't get fire without oxygen. you can blow shit up without fire.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: mayhem on August 18, 2008, 07:35:49 PM
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/7c/Car_explosion.jpg/300px-Car_explosion.jpg)

That looks like it's burning in oxygen to me.
Really? I don't see any oxygen in the picture

I don't see any Pintos either.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 07:37:09 PM
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/7/7c/Car_explosion.jpg/300px-Car_explosion.jpg)

That looks like it's burning in oxygen to me.
Really? I don't see any oxygen in the picture

I don't see any Pintos either.
It is on the other side of the explosion
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:39:55 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Untrue. High explosives will do so easily.

There are many sorts of flame that are not due to oxidization.

Also the pinto always explodes. No matter what.

fire and explosions are two different things. you can't get fire without oxygen. you can blow shit up without fire.

This is sodium and water. No oxygen required.

(http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/.Pictures/pyrophoto/na1.jpeg)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: crazybmanp on August 18, 2008, 11:41:28 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Untrue. High explosives will do so easily.

There are many sorts of flame that are not due to oxidization.

Also the pinto always explodes. No matter what.

fire and explosions are two different things. you can't get fire without oxygen. you can blow shit up without fire.

This is sodium and water. No oxygen required.

(http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/.Pictures/pyrophoto/na1.jpeg)

there's oxygen in the air, idiot
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:43:29 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Untrue. High explosives will do so easily.

There are many sorts of flame that are not due to oxidization.

Also the pinto always explodes. No matter what.

fire and explosions are two different things. you can't get fire without oxygen. you can blow shit up without fire.

This is sodium and water. No oxygen required.

(http://homepage.mac.com/schrier/.Pictures/pyrophoto/na1.jpeg)

there's oxygen in the air, idiot
This reaction does not require it though.

Did you ever take any BASIC!!!! chemistry?

Or watched youtube. Or left your house, or opened a book?

Ok fuck it. I'm done with stupid people for the night. If you want to post something dumb I simply am going to edit it down to your level of speech translated to an intelligent thought. Stupid fucks.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: crazybmanp on August 18, 2008, 11:44:38 PM
all fire requires oxygen, there is oxygen in the water... yet again, idiot
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 18, 2008, 11:46:17 PM
I think you are from australia so imagine a really crappy version of the Lada and tada you have a pinto

This does not provide a solution to how something made primarily of iron can spontaneously burst into flames in an oxygen-free environment.

gasoline won't burst into flames in an oxygen-free enviroment. neither will anything else
Untrue. High explosives will do so easily.

There are many sorts of flame that are not due to oxidization.

Also the pinto always explodes. No matter what.

fire and explosions are two different things. you can't get fire without oxygen. you can blow shit up without fire.
You ever seen magnesium burn?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:46:39 PM
I use the word fire to mean rapid oxidation. I also do not understand that the sodium water reaction has nothing to do with the oxygen in the water but with the actual water itself. Please flame me.
That is quite alright. I do not feel the need to flame you. You simply misunderstand the concept. *pats head*
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: crazybmanp on August 18, 2008, 11:48:43 PM
your a moron
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:49:53 PM
you're a moron, I say because I don't understand you. Thank you for correcting my atrocious grammar.
It is quite alright young man. Teaching is my calling. *pats head*
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: crazybmanp on August 18, 2008, 11:53:30 PM
-removed because you are all idiots and wouldn't get it-
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 18, 2008, 11:59:27 PM
-removed because you are smarter than me and would edit it to make since-
did it anyways.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: crazybmanp on August 19, 2008, 12:00:58 AM
-removed because you are smarter than me and would edit it to make since-
i did it because i have nothing better to do than be a complete moron
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 12:02:42 AM
-removed because you are smarter than me and would edit it to make since-
i did it because i have nothing better to do than be a complete moron
I can be big boy too?
Wow copying what I am doing, except at a lower level. I was correcting your posts, you are just throwing out ad hominums. So sad. You can watch me do it, then still fail to emulate me.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: crazybmanp on August 19, 2008, 12:04:10 AM
i didn't give you permission to correct my posts.

how about you stop being a cave troll
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 12:15:24 AM
censored out of idiocy.
A cave troll is a D&D character. You are probably not calling me a strong creature that regenerates and is weak to fire.

You probably mean a troll as in the boat that fishes by trailing attractive lures behind it.

I do not need your permission to correct them. I gave a warning and you continued the idiocy, so i shall do as i feel fit, and as long as the mods don't stop me then I am free to continue.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 12:20:47 AM
There are exothermic reactions that do not require oxygen. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 12:21:15 AM
There are exothermic reactions that do not require oxygen. 
kisses you for not needing an edit.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 19, 2008, 12:45:24 AM
Thats because oxygen doesn't exist in FET.  Just like gravity.
Yeah in Dr. Nobottoms book "Air is not O2" he clearly shows that if oxygen was on earth the entire planet would be covered in rust because metal can rust if there is air and water. He goes on to show that mars is full of oxygen becuase of all the rust that turned the planet its present color


For further details click here
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 01:00:43 AM
There are exothermic reactions that do not require oxygen. 
kisses you for not needing an edit.

umm ok
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 03:29:48 AM
Raist is awesome.

Also, oxygen is not the only reactive gas. Indeed, fluorine and chlorine are considerably more reactive, as I understand. Surely an atmosphere with 21% fluorine would make things even more likely to burst into flames than one with 21% oxygen?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 08:21:41 AM
Nope, only oxygen burns. Reread the noobs posts.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 08:24:05 AM
Nope, only oxygen burns. Reread the noobs posts.
This is wrong a few times. 

Oxygen cannot burn, it is was causes burning.  But other elements can as well. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 08:25:14 AM
oxygen does burn, but i know oxygen isn't the only thing that does burn.

(if you don't believe this light a match in front of an oxygen tank hose.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 08:26:15 AM
oxygen does burn, but i know oxygen isn't the only thing that does burn.

(if you don't believe this light a match in front of an oxygen tank hose.

So O2 + O2--> O4
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 19, 2008, 08:39:33 AM
You need 3 things to make a fire

oxygen, heat, and fuel.

Some times 2 of those can be one.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 08:43:22 AM
So O2 + O2--> O4

You are stupid.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 11:47:37 AM
So O2 + O2--> O4

You are stupid.

Do you really think I believe that equation to be true? 

Oxygen cannot burn by itself. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 11:48:47 AM
You need 3 things to make a fire

oxygen, heat, and fuel.

Some times 2 of those can be one.

Burning doesn't have to include oxygen. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 12:01:11 PM
Do you really think I believe that equation to be true? 

No.

Oxygen cannot burn by itself. 
Burning doesn't have to include oxygen. 

You are stupid.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 19, 2008, 12:03:21 PM
You need 3 things to make a fire

oxygen, heat, and fuel.

Some times 2 of those can be one.

Burning doesn't have to include oxygen. 

Correct.  Chemical burns do not.  But fire does.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 12:05:41 PM
Oxygen cannot burn by itself.  
A true statement.
Burning doesn't have to include oxygen.  
A true statement.

You are stupid.
A false statement.  You are the one with the wrong facts.


Should I point out the obvious or should I go to wiki?  Maybe both?

1.  A chemical burn.
2.  wiki

Quote from: wiki
CH4 + 2O2 → CO2 + 2H2O
CH2S + 6F2 → CF4 + 2HF + SF6
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 12:07:10 PM

 
You need 3 things to make a fire

oxygen, heat, and fuel.

Some times 2 of those can be one.

Burning doesn't have to include oxygen. 

Correct.  Chemical burns do not.  But fire does.

You ruined half my post.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 12:13:21 PM
Oxygen cannot burn by itself.  
A true statement.
Burning doesn't have to include oxygen.  
A true statement.

Both of those are indeed true statements.

You are stupid.
A false statement.  You are the one with the wrong facts.

No. You are stupid. Really.

Should I point out the obvious or should I go to wiki?  Maybe both?

1.  A chemical burn.
2.  wiki

Quote from: wiki
CH4 + 2O2 → CO2 + 2H2O
CH2S + 6F2 → CF4 + 2HF + SF6

Your point being?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 01:55:38 PM


Your point being?
You have an IQ of a 12 year old and still won't look up anything. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
You have an IQ of a 12 year old and still won't look up anything. 

Why can oxygen not burn if burning does not require oxygen?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 02:18:54 PM
You have an IQ of a 12 year old and still won't look up anything. 

Why can oxygen not burn if burning does not require oxygen?

Wow you are retarded.  Burning is fuel reacting with an oxidizer.  So I ask, how is oxygen going to burn by itself?  
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 02:22:58 PM
Wow you are retarded.  Burning is fuel reacting with an oxidizer.  So I ask, how is oxygen going to burn by itself? 

It isn't.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 19, 2008, 02:34:44 PM
You have an IQ of a 12 year old and still won't look up anything. 

Why can oxygen not burn if burning does not require oxygen?

Ooh Ooh...you can get freezer burn.  Poor liquid nitrogen on yourself and voila.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 03:18:33 PM
Wow you are retarded.  Burning is fuel reacting with an oxidizer.  So I ask, how is oxygen going to burn by itself? 

It isn't.
Ok we agree, you are retarded for quoting my true statements and claiming them as false. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 03:21:43 PM
Ok we agree, you are retarded for quoting my true statements and claiming them as false. 

Can you please point out where I did so?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 03:28:22 PM
Done


Oxygen cannot burn by itself. 
Burning doesn't have to include oxygen. 

You are stupid.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 03:30:33 PM
Where did I say they were false?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 03:31:24 PM
Where did I say they were false?

Give it up.  You quoted two of my links because you thought they were false and then called me stupid. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 03:32:34 PM
Give it up.  You quoted two of my links because you thought they were false and then called me stupid. 

I would have to be a total moron to think those statements were false.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 19, 2008, 04:01:22 PM
So O2 + O2--> O4

You are stupid.

Do you really think I believe that equation to be true? 

Oxygen cannot burn by itself. 

Psst, I think you just proved his point.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 04:38:56 PM
On an infinite timeline, the probability that a forum will unanimously agree that guns are evil and then discuss the chemical requirements for fire is 1.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 04:42:37 PM
Actually are zero. No forum will ever unanimously agree. Even if a forum contained one individual, he would proceed to go insane and troll himself, disagreeing with his last post to see if he could get some lulz. The internetz are for arguing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 19, 2008, 04:46:46 PM
And porn.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 19, 2008, 04:47:40 PM
Also, dongs
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 05:05:59 PM
Give it up.  You quoted two of my links because you thought they were false and then called me stupid. 

I would have to be a total moron to think those statements were false.
Well....
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 19, 2008, 05:31:47 PM
And porn.
The internet can be used for other things, I thought that this site was just to look at til the Chafing went away
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 05:53:56 PM
ow, i hate chafing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 19, 2008, 05:58:01 PM
ow, i hate chafing.
it is a nice looking dish
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 19, 2008, 06:38:30 PM
On an infinite timeline, the probability that a forum will unanimously agree that guns are evil and then discuss the chemical requirements for fire is 1.

and yet it hasn't happened here. odd. i think your math is wrong, and you are a dumbass.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 08:21:25 PM
I capitalize the first words in sentences, and use proper spelling. Methinks you the twat.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 08:23:41 PM
On an infinite timeline, the probability that a forum will unanimously agree that guns are evil and then discuss the chemical requirements for fire is 1.

and yet it hasn't happened here. odd. i think your math is wrong, and you are a dumbass.
So when did an infinite amount of time pass on this site? dumbass.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 19, 2008, 08:39:56 PM
I capitalize the first words in sentences, and use proper spelling. Methinks you the twat.

wow, criticizing  spelling and capitalization on the internet, you must feel special ;).
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 19, 2008, 08:40:46 PM
On an infinite timeline, the probability that a forum will unanimously agree that guns are evil and then discuss the chemical requirements for fire is 1.

and yet it hasn't happened here. odd. i think your math is wrong, and you are a dumbass.
So when did an infinite amount of time pass on this site? dumbass.

good point, i guess i'll have to wait awhile before its true.......
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 08:44:50 PM
I capitalize the first words in sentences, and use proper spelling. Methinks you the twat.

wow, criticizing  spelling and capitalization on the internet, you must feel special ;).

wow, being unable to communicate yourself properly, you must feel stupid ;).
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 19, 2008, 08:51:53 PM
On an infinite timeline, the probability that a forum will unanimously agree that guns are evil and then discuss the chemical requirements for fire is 1.

and yet it hasn't happened here. odd. i think your math is wrong, and you are a dumbass.
So when did an infinite amount of time pass on this site? dumbass.

good point, i guess i'll have to wait awhile before its true.......
Ok. So log off. When an infinite amount of time has passed. Log back on.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 09:53:08 PM
Well....

I shall take your one word response followed by an ellipsis with a 33% bonus as a concession that I am correct.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 09:54:09 PM
Well....

I shall take your one word response followed by an ellipsis with a 33% bonus as a concession that I am correct.

Maybe you should look at my sig. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 09:54:38 PM
I have sigs turned off. What does yours say?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 09:56:10 PM
Einstein never said there could be acceleration with no force.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 10:08:03 PM
Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 10:18:41 PM
Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.

Maybe it's the same place the UA pulls its infinite energy. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 19, 2008, 10:25:57 PM
Maybe you should look at my sig. 

I am familiar with what is in your sig. I did type it, after all. It is also completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 10:26:57 PM
Maybe you should look at my sig. 

I am familiar with what is in your sig. I did type it, after all. It is also completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
No, it does.  Something about you being a total moron. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 10:28:47 PM
Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.

Maybe it's the same place the UA pulls its infinite energy. 

The UA has only accelerated the earth (a finite amount of matter) for a finite time. This means not infinite.
Compare with RET matter that accelerates all matter (maybe infinite, maybe finite) since the beginning of time, to the end of time (an infinite timeframe). This means infinite.

So RET earth needs infinite energy, FET earth does not.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 10:32:22 PM
Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.

Maybe it's the same place the UA pulls its infinite energy. 

The UA has only accelerated the earth (a finite amount of matter) for a finite time. This means not infinite.
Compare with RET matter that accelerates all matter (maybe infinite, maybe finite) since the beginning of time, to the end of time (an infinite timeframe). This means infinite.

So RET earth needs infinite energy, FET earth does not.

You know the velocity the earth is at right now in the FET would require practically infinite energy to reach. 

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 10:37:39 PM
Your cute.
It doesn't matter how big a number is, if it is finite it is not anywhere near infinite or "practically infinite".

Your argument is "practically correct" in the sense that it is not.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 10:38:37 PM
Your cute.
It doesn't matter how big a number is, if it is finite it is not anywhere near infinite or "practically infinite".

Your argument is "practically correct" in the sense that it is not.
I'm going to bed.

How much energy does a rock in a river give the water that moves around it? 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 10:41:23 PM
When you can't answer a direct question, ask a new one with no relevance to the topic at hand.

Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 10:47:29 PM
When you can't answer a direct question, ask a new one with no relevance to the topic at hand.

Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.

I see when you can't answer a question, you draw attention away from yourself. 

The earth doesn't need to give energy to spacetime. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 19, 2008, 10:48:55 PM


The earth doesn't need to give energy to spacetime. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 19, 2008, 10:54:51 PM
Move over conservation of energy, we have ~sPACetime~
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 20, 2008, 01:11:13 AM
Oh yeah, you never did explain where the earth gets the energy to accelerate all matter in the entire universe for billions of years ongoing.


So, what, you're against flat earth now?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 20, 2008, 07:18:21 AM
Move over conservation of energy, we have ~sPACetime~

How much work does spacetime do? 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 20, 2008, 02:56:01 PM
More work than Carla Bruni.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 20, 2008, 03:34:58 PM
Move over conservation of energy, we have ~sPACetime~

How much work does spacetime do? 

Lets see, it has, without consuming any energy, accelerated all the matter in the universe for an infinite period of time. Doing the simple mat in my head and... yup infinite work, with 0 energy.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 20, 2008, 03:50:38 PM
So what is it that has done this?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 20, 2008, 04:03:52 PM
I capitalize the first words in sentences, and use proper spelling. Methinks you the twat.

wow, criticizing  spelling and capitalization on the internet, you must feel special ;).

wow, being unable to communicate yourself properly, you must feel stupid ;).

i communicate well enough for you to understand me, so either we're both dumbasses (definitley possible) or we're both smart (doubt it).
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 20, 2008, 04:04:50 PM
On an infinite timeline, the probability that a forum will unanimously agree that guns are evil and then discuss the chemical requirements for fire is 1.

and yet it hasn't happened here. odd. i think your math is wrong, and you are a dumbass.
So when did an infinite amount of time pass on this site? dumbass.

good point, i guess i'll have to wait awhile before its true.......
Ok. So log off. When an infinite amount of time has passed. Log back on.

hmmm, no thanks, i think i'll stick around. it's fun.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: sokarul on August 20, 2008, 05:02:27 PM
Move over conservation of energy, we have ~sPACetime~

How much work does spacetime do? 

Lets see, it has, without consuming any energy, accelerated all the matter in the universe for an infinite period of time. Doing the simple mat in my head and... yup infinite work, with 0 energy.

Well if there is zero force you have zero work which requires zero kinetic energy. 

Also if you are going to argue.  Stop posting stuff you know is untrue. 
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on August 20, 2008, 05:11:55 PM
Wow. Obvious is OBVIOUS, and he still doesn't get it. A round of applause, sokarul. Good show.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 20, 2008, 07:28:06 PM
Wow. Obvious is OBVIOUS, and he still doesn't get it. A round of applause, sokarul. Good show.

Was that for or against sok? I don't want to read all the posts just to try and figure that out.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 20, 2008, 07:57:53 PM
Reading narc and sokarul is like shooting yourself in the head. Except you don't feel better afterward.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 20, 2008, 08:34:05 PM
Move over conservation of energy, we have ~sPACetime~

How much work does spacetime do? 

Lets see, it has, without consuming any energy, accelerated all the matter in the universe for an infinite period of time. Doing the simple mat in my head and... yup infinite work, with 0 energy.

Well if there is zero force you have zero work which requires zero kinetic energy. 

Also if you are going to argue.  Stop posting stuff you know is untrue. 

There is an acceleration without any force? Wow, your spacetime really is magic!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 20, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
I support gun possession; an armed proletariat is a strong proletariat.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 20, 2008, 08:37:44 PM
If you give a redneck a gun, their just likely to shoot each other when drunk.
Still, not compelling enough to legalize gun ownership.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 20, 2008, 08:39:25 PM
If you give a redneck a gun, their just likely to shoot each other when drunk.
Still, not compelling enough to legalize gun ownership.

I see what you did there.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 20, 2008, 09:39:12 PM
If you give a redneck a gun, their just likely to shoot each other when drunk.
Still, not compelling enough to legalize gun ownership.

now you're starting to sound like an elitist as well.

if we give any friends of yours a gun, and get them drunk, will they shoot you?

anywho, if you give anyone a firearm and get them drunk, there's a chance they'll do something stupid with said firearm. that's why it's illegal to drink and carry (a firearm) in some states. but just because you're drunk (or have been drinking) and you're carrying a firearm, it doesn't mean that you'll pull the firearm out and start waving it around and shoot at things. there has been a reoccuring theme of comparing firearms to cars here, so i will continue this trend: it's a lot harder to keep a car that's going around 35mph on a road only 10-20 ft wide than it is to keep a firearm in a secured holster on your hip.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 20, 2008, 09:41:08 PM
Nobody needs a gun to get to work, your comparison is republican bs.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 20, 2008, 09:56:23 PM
Nobody needs a gun to get to work

Gun manufacturers do.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 20, 2008, 10:17:14 PM
Nobody needs a gun to get to work, your comparison is republican bs.

good job on avoiding discussion of real issues about firearms.

comparing driving to work and driving to go get drunk is narc bs. you don't need to drive home when you're drunk. you don't need to drive to a bar to get drunk, just stay home and get drunk.

plus, some people feel the need to carry on the way to work. not everybody drives through beverly hills on the way to work, some people have to go through rough neighborhoods where ILLEGAL gun ownership is common. or would you rather those people just drive around however far it is? or perhaps they just keep the cops on speed dial? maybe get the cops to be personal escorts?

some people also feel the need to carry at work. security gaurds and bouncers are probably the most common people found carrying on-the-job. no facts to back that up, just a guess.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 20, 2008, 10:27:29 PM
PTEW
PTEW
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 20, 2008, 10:51:40 PM
I work in a "rough area" and despite the shootings that happen in this neighborhood, I cannot justify the need to carry a firearm to work.

Having a holstered firearm won't do me much good when a drive-by is over before I realized it was a drive-by. So, do people need to chase after these vehicles and and expose themselves and more citizens to danger?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 20, 2008, 10:57:41 PM
your comparison is republican bs.

And that is liberal weenie BS.

I love being a rightwing nutjob.

I have already offered Narc.  Swing on by and get my guns.  Make sure its unannounced at about 1 in the morning please.  That's the best time to find me at home.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 20, 2008, 11:00:41 PM
I love being a rightwing nutjob.
What do you think of my take on it? ;)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 20, 2008, 11:03:16 PM
I love being a rightwing nutjob.
What do you think of my take on it? ;)
Oscar Wilde, the republican gun nut. Have you ever seen anyone more conservative than Oscar Wilde?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 20, 2008, 11:05:02 PM
I support gun possession; an armed proletariat is a strong proletariat.
I say this to every gun-toter I meet. To see their faces light up and then violently recoil in the same instant is hilarious. Every time.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 20, 2008, 11:40:08 PM
I support gun possession; an armed proletariat is a strong proletariat.
I say this to every gun-toter I meet. To see their faces light up and then violently recoil in the same instant is hilarious. Every time.


Ok correct me if I'm wrong(which is about a 98% chance) You are an armed working class man that wants to overthrow the government?

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 20, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
I support gun possession; an armed proletariat is a strong proletariat.
I say this to every gun-toter I meet. To see their faces light up and then violently recoil in the same instant is hilarious. Every time.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong(which is about a 98% chance) You are an armed working class man that wants to overthrow the government?
Did you just post that after wiki-ing "proletariat"? ::)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 20, 2008, 11:46:23 PM
I support gun possession; an armed proletariat is a strong proletariat.
I say this to every gun-toter I meet. To see their faces light up and then violently recoil in the same instant is hilarious. Every time.
Ok correct me if I'm wrong(which is about a 98% chance) You are an armed working class man that wants to overthrow the government?
Did you just post that after wiki-ing "proletariat"? ::)

You guessed it.  I can't have my face light up  and then violently recoil at the same time without knowing what the word means.

So I guess if you would have said that to my face, in person, you would have gotten a blank stare.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 20, 2008, 11:50:12 PM
Your guess was pretty much accurate to what I was insinuating, I was just disappointed in your lack of accepting the bait.

I guess this is one of those times when someone is just too ignorant to be trolled. :-X
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 20, 2008, 11:58:13 PM
Your guess was pretty much accurate to what I was insinuating, I was just disappointed in your lack of accepting the bait.

I guess this is one of those times when someone is just too ignorant to be trolled. :-X

Why am I ignorant?  Because I don't know the meaning of some word used by the father of communism?  Oh the shame. :-[

Hey I am all for you overthrowing the government.  It ain't going to work worth a shit, but good luck with that.  Let me know how it turns out.  David Koresh and Randy Weaver might have some pointers for ya.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 21, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
Your guess was pretty much accurate to what I was insinuating, I was just disappointed in your lack of accepting the bait.

I guess this is one of those times when someone is just too ignorant to be trolled. :-X

Why am I ignorant?  Because I don't know the meaning of some word used by the father of communism?  Oh the shame. :-[
In former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, classical education has benefit of you!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 21, 2008, 12:03:41 AM
Was that a quote from Yakov Smirnoff?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 21, 2008, 12:04:11 AM
It's an Oscar original.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Althalus on August 21, 2008, 01:30:50 AM
Guns only exist because the bible endorses them. Fucking religion destroying the entirety of human existence.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 21, 2008, 01:41:57 AM
Guns only exist because the bible endorses them. Fucking religion destroying the entirety of human existence.

Genesis 1:169  And the lord said let there be fully automatic weapons. And there was and He saw that they were good.  170. And the Lord told Adam do not be ashamed of your weapons, flaunt them for all to see.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on August 21, 2008, 02:35:28 AM
Guns only exist because the bible endorses them. Fucking religion destroying the entirety of human existence.

Genesis 1:169  And the lord said let there be fully automatic weapons. And there was and He saw that they were good.  170. And the Lord told Adam do not be ashamed of your weapons, flaunt them for all to see.

I lol'd.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 21, 2008, 07:49:02 AM
PTEW
PTEW

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Ambiguous Individual on August 21, 2008, 08:03:23 AM
If guns are evil, then Thursday tastes like chicken.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 21, 2008, 08:21:39 AM
PTEW
PTEW


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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 21, 2008, 09:08:09 AM
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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Ambiguous Individual on August 21, 2008, 09:59:04 AM
guns should be illegal.

This would only affect law-abiding citizens. Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

If guns are illegal, than yes, only criminals will own guns. durdeedur
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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 21, 2008, 10:23:55 AM
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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 21, 2008, 10:37:23 AM
I work in a "rough area" and despite the shootings that happen in this neighborhood, I cannot justify the need to carry a firearm to work.

Having a holstered firearm won't do me much good when a drive-by is over before I realized it was a drive-by. So, do people need to chase after these vehicles and and expose themselves and more citizens to danger?

so now your argument is that most shootings are drive-bys? and no they shouldn't chase after someone, i'm not supporting vigilantes, i'm supporting people's right to defend themselves.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 21, 2008, 02:29:29 PM
I support gun possession; an armed proletariat is a strong proletariat.

You a preppy by any chance?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 21, 2008, 03:18:49 PM
Your guess was pretty much accurate to what I was insinuating, I was just disappointed in your lack of accepting the bait.

I guess this is one of those times when someone is just too ignorant to be trolled. :-X

Why am I ignorant?  Because I don't know the meaning of some word used by the father of communism?  Oh the shame. :-[

Hey I am all for you overthrowing the government.  It ain't going to work worth a shit, but good luck with that.  Let me know how it turns out.  David Koresh and Randy Weaver might have some pointers for ya.
proletariat means the majority.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 21, 2008, 05:05:06 PM
I work in a "rough area" and despite the shootings that happen in this neighborhood, I cannot justify the need to carry a firearm to work.

Having a holstered firearm won't do me much good when a drive-by is over before I realized it was a drive-by. So, do people need to chase after these vehicles and and expose themselves and more citizens to danger?

More evidence on why cars need to be banned, not only do they kill people everyday but they also help kill many more
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 21, 2008, 07:08:16 PM
Indeed, but that should be a new thread.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 21, 2008, 07:45:32 PM
why create a new topic? it's not like this one is being used to discuss the supposed "evilness" of guns. or very many things gun-related. i say feel free to start a discussion on the "evilness" of cars in this thread.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Guessed on August 21, 2008, 07:48:18 PM
why create a new topic? it's not like this one is being used to discuss the supposed "evilness" of guns. or very many things gun-related. i say feel free to start a discussion on the "evilness" of cars in this thread.

That would be an intentional derailment, which are frowned upon.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 21, 2008, 08:53:45 PM
i was being sarcastic, guessed. i guess i should have labeled it as sarcasm so as to avoid confusion. i was merely commenting on the fact that this topic has been derailed so many times, and it probably will continue to happen until people decide to have a serious debate about gun laws, rights, etc. i personally have tried to start a serious debate on this thread about guns, but it was ignored by the thread starter, and everyone else. the thread starter doesn't seem interested in having a serious debate, just making comments with no factual base, or even evidence.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on August 21, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
It's Narc....are you seriously surprised?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 21, 2008, 10:41:52 PM
i didn't say i was suprised. i was just making an observation.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 23, 2008, 11:44:01 AM
Birds deserve observation. Narcs not so much. Guns still rock.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Robbyj on August 23, 2008, 11:57:50 AM
AIDS kills people too, but no one is going around trying to make that illegal.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 23, 2008, 01:04:01 PM
what about deer? they cause a lot of car crashes every year. we should make deer illegal. houses burn down all the time, maybe we should outlaw houses.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 23, 2008, 01:05:44 PM
Let's get rid of all the strawmen while we're at it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: omgIfelloffearth on August 23, 2008, 01:12:49 PM
why ban the strawmen? i say we just drag them into the streets and use our EVIL guns for their intended purpose. or is that what you meant by "get rid of"?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2008, 02:01:07 PM
I say we keep guns but get rid of all the bullets. Guns are free, but a bullet will cost you 20,000 dollars.

That way anyone that got shot, obviously deserved it, it cost the person 20,000 dollars after all.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Oscar Wilde on August 23, 2008, 02:04:14 PM
Also, it's getting rather difficult to defend rap these days.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2008, 02:08:08 PM
That's because it's full of niggers.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on August 23, 2008, 03:26:33 PM


Quote
Man I will blow yo fuckin' head off... if I could afford it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2008, 06:21:28 PM


Quote
Man I will blow yo fuckin' head off... if I could afford it.
Exactly. Like I'd come up with that idea.

Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 23, 2008, 07:40:27 PM
what about deer? they cause a lot of car crashes every year. we should make deer illegal. houses burn down all the time, maybe we should outlaw houses.
They are the most dangerous animal in the world
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 23, 2008, 07:45:30 PM
what about deer? they cause a lot of car crashes every year. we should make deer illegal. houses burn down all the time, maybe we should outlaw houses.
They are the most dangerous animal in the world

If you ever miss one with a gun, slow the bullet down to 55MPH, put some headlights on it and a horn... The deer will actually jump in front of the bullet.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 23, 2008, 08:13:28 PM
$500 says cbarnett is about to post something really retarded.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 23, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
what about deer? they cause a lot of car crashes every year. we should make deer illegal. houses burn down all the time, maybe we should outlaw houses.

He is on comedy central right now (at least on the west coast of the U.S.)
If you ever miss one with a gun, slow the bullet down to 55MPH, put some headlights on it and a horn... The deer will actually jump in front of the bullet.
He is on comedy central right now (at least on the west coast of the U.S.)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 23, 2008, 08:14:46 PM
$500 says cbarnett is about to post something really retarded.
You mean something like "Narcberry puts forth well thought out arguments"?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cmdshft on August 23, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
what about deer? they cause a lot of car crashes every year. we should make deer illegal. houses burn down all the time, maybe we should outlaw houses.

He is on comedy central right now (at least on the west coast of the U.S.)
If you ever miss one with a gun, slow the bullet down to 55MPH, put some headlights on it and a horn... The deer will actually jump in front of the bullet.
He is on comedy central right now (at least on the west coast of the U.S.)

Blue Collar ftw.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 23, 2008, 08:20:07 PM
what about deer? they cause a lot of car crashes every year. we should make deer illegal. houses burn down all the time, maybe we should outlaw houses.

He is on comedy central right now (at least on the west coast of the U.S.)
If you ever miss one with a gun, slow the bullet down to 55MPH, put some headlights on it and a horn... The deer will actually jump in front of the bullet.
He is on comedy central right now (at least on the west coast of the U.S.)

Blue Collar ftw.
it is his turn at the moment
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2008, 08:27:21 PM
I lack a t.v. Unless i go to the basement and watch the big screen. maybe girls are there....
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 23, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
yeah like a sister. Go get some!
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 23, 2008, 08:33:14 PM
yeah like a sister. Go get some!
I'm in a dorm. I'm not related to any girls here.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 23, 2008, 08:34:24 PM
Eww I've been conversing with a poor kid.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: narcberry on August 26, 2008, 09:41:31 PM
I hope by now everyone has written their senator.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on August 27, 2008, 10:07:42 AM
Eww I've been conversing with a poor kid.
Yes, like every college kid on earth I am poor. it sucks, it's just the way it is though.

Ugh I'm conversing with a girl posing as a guy posing as a pedophile. I need soap.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: cbarnett97 on August 27, 2008, 12:41:55 PM
I hope by now everyone has written their senator.
wrote and asked for a ban of narcberry, but then again we have comrads Boxer and Fienstein here so I am not sure how much good it will do, but they do have CCW permits so go figure, hypocrites anyone
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 04, 2008, 08:41:38 PM
This guy should have had his own gun.  He wouldn't have had to wrestle the one the bad guy was carrying and shoot him with it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417122,00.html
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Nightmare on September 08, 2008, 07:04:18 AM
I feel like shooting a heavy, metallic machine gun with a badass fire sound and heavy but linear recoil into the direction of someone wearing heavy, metallic knight armor.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: spliffj2cool on September 08, 2008, 03:11:24 PM
Guns are not evil. Someone has to be there in able to shoot the gun. So if anything, the person would be evil. Because its their decision to shoot it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Rex on September 08, 2008, 05:03:48 PM
Someone get this guy a medal already.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: ﮎingulaЯiτy on September 29, 2008, 01:57:43 PM
Guns are tools. To declare a tool is evil is inaccurate at best.
Using the tool, willfully using its potential to do harm would fall under moral code. Still... define 'evil'.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on September 29, 2008, 02:56:34 PM
Correct. If you're gonna ban guns, you might as well ban knives. And I don't mean combat knives or switchblades, but all knives. Kitchen knives, letter openers, fishing knives, pen knives, scalpels. They kill people, you know.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 29, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
Correct. If you're gonna ban guns, you might as well ban knives. And I don't mean combat knives or switchblades, but all knives. Kitchen knives, letter openers, fishing knives, pen knives, scalpels. They kill people, you know.

And hammers and baseball bats and Windex or chlorine.  Hell I can kill you with a choke hold.   Chop off everyone's hands while we are at it.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on September 29, 2008, 03:02:12 PM
And surgically remove everyone's lower jaw, and chop off their legs. That'd be the day, right? :)
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Parsifal on September 29, 2008, 03:35:03 PM
The difference between guns and those other weapons is that guns are not useful in everyday society. In those fields where they are useful, I don't object to their use, but there isn't any point in just anyone being able to carry a gun down the street, because it's more likely to do harm than good.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on September 29, 2008, 03:39:48 PM
Well, you could say the same thing about a knife.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Sexual Harassment Panda on September 29, 2008, 04:40:29 PM
Well, you could say the same thing about a knife.
well not if everybody carried one
the only purpose of guns should be for hunting
also knife shouldnt be carried around either
i dont mind a little pocket knife but once people start carrying a big kabar everywhere they go
theres bound to be some problems
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on September 29, 2008, 10:26:08 PM
Trust me, pocket knives are bad enough.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 29, 2008, 10:30:45 PM
Trust me, pocket knives are bad enough.

I know you don't want to hear it, but 9/11 was executed with box cutters.  Get rid of those fucking things as well.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Anteater7171 on September 29, 2008, 10:41:56 PM
The people on this website would be glad to argue http://thehighroad.org
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Raist on September 29, 2008, 11:10:37 PM
I believe everyone should have a 6 inch blade on them at all times. How likely are you to try and rape a chick that you know has a blade? How likely are you to try and mug that dude when he could put a couple inches of hardened steal into your liver?
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 29, 2008, 11:25:18 PM
I believe everyone should have a 6 inch blade on them at all times. How likely are you to try and rape a chick that you know has a blade? How likely are you to try and mug that dude when he could put a couple inches of hardened steal into your liver?

Or rounds in your chest.
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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Wendy on September 30, 2008, 08:46:15 AM
Trust me, pocket knives are bad enough.

I know you don't want to hear it, but 9/11 was executed with box cutters.  Get rid of those fucking things as well.
No, I do want to hear it. This proves my point. No amount of legislation on any sort of weaponry is going to significantly reduce crime. Criminals will find a way. People die in prison too, and I'm rather sure that there are few firearms in the posession of convicts.
Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: WardoggKC130FE on September 30, 2008, 10:04:39 AM
Trust me, pocket knives are bad enough.

I know you don't want to hear it, but 9/11 was executed with box cutters.  Get rid of those fucking things as well.
No, I do want to hear it. This proves my point. No amount of legislation on any sort of weaponry is going to significantly reduce crime. Criminals will find a way. People die in prison too, and I'm rather sure that there are few firearms in the posession of convicts.

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Title: Re: Guns are evil
Post by: Robbyj on September 30, 2008, 04:59:52 PM
I agree with Wendigo.  Banning weapons would not take guns out of the hands of people that abuse them.  I would venture to guess that most cons and felons do not purchase their weapons legally to begin with.  A gun control law would only apply to law abiding citizens that wouldn't use guns in a harmful manner anyway.