Guns are evil

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #90 on: August 15, 2008, 01:33:21 PM »

And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.


Er,..... the validity of your argument is inversely proportional to the likelihood of the scenario described actually happening, but at least you yourself escaped being raped.  :)

In America so many kids are bing shot at school it's obvious the problem is that not enough of these youngsters have guns to defend themselves.  It should be compulsory in the USA for all school children to carry a weapon; the same type of weapon to make things equal I think.  A Dan Wesson .44 or the likes would do the trick. :-\

As an afterthought, has the existence of 'evil' been established or is it just assumed? (ponerologists are invited to discuss)  I think we need a definition of evil before this discussion becomes one of value? ;)

And.... I know a number of American's who are very keen on guns, and what unnerves me about them is that they seem to hope for a situation in which they can shoot someone in order to justify 'carrying'. :(

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2008, 02:52:46 PM »
I love the threads aimed directly at the FOX News tards.

Go fuck yourself.


And when that criminal breaks into your house with his illegal gun, and there you are defenseless because you are a law abiding citizen and you have no guns, and that criminal comes over and rapes your wife and possibly your children because you have no way to protect them, I wonder if you would have the same opinion then.

Er,..... the validity of your argument is inversely proportional to the likelihood of the scenario described actually happening, but at least you yourself escaped being raped.  :)

In America so many kids are bing shot at school it's obvious the problem is that not enough of these youngsters have guns to defend themselves.  It should be compulsory in the USA for all school children to carry a weapon; the same type of weapon to make things equal I think.  A Dan Wesson .44 or the likes would do the trick. :-\

As an afterthought, has the existence of 'evil' been established or is it just assumed? (ponerologists are invited to discuss)  I think we need a definition of evil before this discussion becomes one of value? ;)

And.... I know a number of American's who are very keen on guns, and what unnerves me about them is that they seem to hope for a situation in which they can shoot someone in order to justify 'carrying'. :(


Your right I did avoid it. Even without a gun I can and would fight back.  My main concern is with my family. I am gone alot and my wife feels better knowing 1. there is a gun in the house if she needs it and 2. she knows how to use it.  End of story.   As for kids in school shooting each other thats a problem of parenting.  I had guns growing up.  My first was when I was 5.  I never shot anyone (or even thought about it for that matter) at school. 

So because of a few idiots who decide to fuck things up, guns should be made freely available to the general public?

Call me when something bad happens to you or your family where you or one of them could have prevented it by protecting yourself.


All of you anti-gun people need to turn in your car keys to me.  You riding around in a dangerous weapon.  Do I need to repost the stats?


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« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2008, 04:08:38 PM »
1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.

2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control,
and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing
increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."

4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in
1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining
since 1991.

5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree
at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.

6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.

7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with
a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.

8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun
and a dead rapist at her feet.

9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense- give
them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns
Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).

10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns;
just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.

11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer
for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for
hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.

12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was
created 130 years later, in 1917.

13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned
weapons vehicles buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law,
is a "state" militia.

14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right
of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain
rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people,"
and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively,
and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people
to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.

15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should
ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5thAmendments to that
Constitution.

16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army
has hundreds of thousands of them.

17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military
weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because
they are military weapons.

18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government
forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent
school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware
stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no
waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were
no school shootings.

19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling
guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch"
campaign is responsible social activity.

20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly,
and so simple to use that they make murder easy.

21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to
learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.

22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an
accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are
"preying on their fears."

23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but
revert to normal when the weapon is removed.

24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.

25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the
population supported owning slaves.

26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon
of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."

27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most
people will abide by because they can be trusted.

28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it
is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for
self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.

29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters,
but self-defense only justifies bare hands.

30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution,
and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.

31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor and past president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who
should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun
Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN
arms control summit.

32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity
pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and
therefore need less ammunition.

33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns
because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.

34. Police officers have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private
citizens can never hope to obtain.

35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are
there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible
for their protection.

36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs,
who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need
a gun.

37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion,
that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from
Smith & Wesson, that's good.

39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes,
which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.

40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands."
Guess what? You have the wrong hands.

Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2008, 04:24:29 PM »
I love the threads aimed directly at the FOX News tards.

Go fuck yourself.



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« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2008, 04:31:19 PM »
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #95 on: August 15, 2008, 06:20:18 PM »
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.

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« Reply #96 on: August 15, 2008, 06:33:02 PM »
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.
See post above your last
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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« Reply #97 on: August 15, 2008, 06:38:31 PM »
And Remember that during the 1990s, When Britain and Australia were more aning  guns, the U.S. was greatly liberalizing individuals' abilities to carry guns. Thirty-seven of the 50 states now have right-to-carry laws that let law-abiding adults carry concealed handguns. Yet crime has fallen even faster in these states than the national average. Overall, the states in the U.S. that have experienced the fastest growth rates in gun ownership during this time have experienced the biggest drops in murder rates and other violent crimes.

Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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« Reply #98 on: August 15, 2008, 07:34:04 PM »
So because of a few idiots who decide to fuck things up, guns should be made freely available to the general public?
No, we should make everyone defensless against criminals and killers.

Another objection I have to allowing people to own guns is their cost. Because America is such a capitalist nation, the result is that wealthier people can afford to protect themselves better than poor people. Why should people have more right to protection just because they have more money?

Also, why do you say "guns"? Surely if one gun isn't going to protect you, no amount of ammunition will? Why the need for more than one?
Move to China you fucking penguin. Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.

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« Reply #99 on: August 15, 2008, 07:36:09 PM »
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
lol

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« Reply #100 on: August 15, 2008, 07:38:22 PM »
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
Really that is why in Los Angeles County the Sheriff started a reserve deputy program only for celebrities just so he could issue CCW permits to them but the rest of us were screwed out of it
Only 2 things are infinite the universe and human stupidity, but I am not sure about the former.

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« Reply #101 on: August 15, 2008, 07:42:45 PM »
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
lol
At least hypothetically under American law.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #102 on: August 15, 2008, 07:46:02 PM »
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #103 on: August 15, 2008, 09:09:50 PM »
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« Reply #105 on: August 15, 2008, 10:02:37 PM »
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers
of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.

I think this is good reason that guns should be illegal for EVERYONE. That means civilians, police, and military.

great so they would get shot up by gangs and people who illegally obtain their guns, great thinking professor.

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« Reply #106 on: August 15, 2008, 10:04:01 PM »
Ask Britain how thats going

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« Reply #107 on: August 15, 2008, 10:04:35 PM »
wow, for people who think the government is lying to you about the shape of the earth, some of you seem to trust these guys way to much. one of the reasons for the 2nd amendment is to keep the govt. in check. if you don't know what i'm talking about, i believe there is a picture in this thread that refers to this. if the govt takes your guns, what prevents them from taking other RIGHTS that are acknowledged in the bill of rights? who stops the gestapo-like police from kicking your door in and dragging you off because of your belief in the FE theory (example)? do you trust the police and politicians to always do what is best for you? you think if you give up your firearms the criminals will do the same? and if they do, do you think the govt will give up their firearms? and if they do, do you think the enemies (pick your favorite) of the US will give up their firearms? bottomline, fight fire with fire. they have guns, so do we. it just evens the odds a bit.

to those talking about school shootings, most of those firearms are aquired illegally or by irresponsible parents, that aided in an illegal act (allowing the child access to the gun). schools are where mass-shootings most often occur. you want to know another interesting fact about schools? they are also "gun-free" zones. *GASP* how is that so many mass-shootings occur when it is a "gun-free" zone? well children, "gun-free" zones make it ILLEGAL to carry a gun on said property, it does not make it IMPOSSIBLE to carry a gun on said property. so, in this case, potential shooters see that it is a victim-rich enviroment, with little chance of the victims being able to defend themselves against a firearm. well, lets get in the mindset of someone who wants to go on a mass shooting.
first potential target- high school:

PROS:
lots of people
small chance of substantial resistance
take cops a long time to organize enough to properly enter building
take cops a long time to search the building
take cops long time to find out if shooter is student, teacher, staff, stranger
large area to avoid cops
most schools protocol calls for students and staff to cover windows to hallways, lock doors, and hide in corner (easy targets)

CONS:
heavey doors with basic locks (solution; use a gun?)
cameras (solution; use a gun?, or "f**k it, i'm gonna die anyways)
some high schools have cops that patrol school (solution; shoot cop first, take his belt with gun, radio, non-lethal weapons, etc.)


second potential target- grocery store

PROS:
lots of people
large area, can avoid/ambush cops/victims easier
lots of exits to escape from

CONS:
potential for armed citizens
possible silent alarms on/under/near cashiers desk
lots of exits for people to escape
large area to contain before shots are heard
to much ditraction (all that free food!!)


some would say "before guns, no one needed guns to defend themselves." that's not true, for two reasons. 1- before guns, there were no guns to defend against. 2- this is the big one, if someone was getting mugged at knife-point, don't you think a gun for the person being mugged would help? just because something doesn't exist doesn't mean it's not needed, or wanted.

next we have the actual self-defense aspect of this argument. you say that odds are that you'll never need to use that concealed firearm in self-defense. that's (gasp) true, but why is that? well, the answer to this question is pretty simple. if you have a firearm legally on your person, that means that you could be surrounded by people who are doing the same thing, right? not likely, but possible. now, lets say that you're on a bus, and there's a man who wants to mug someone when they get off the bus. how does that man go about determining who has a firearm? well, if the population is legally allowed to carry a concealed firearm, he can't tell who is and isn't, unless he's superman and can see through someone's clothes, in which case a gun won't help much anyway ;). that means that picking a target is like ruolette in two ways, 1-it's just a game of chance, 2-you might get a bullet in your skull if you play ;).

lastly, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." that says that we, the people, have the RIGHT to keep and bear arms, and that right SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. that means the govt can't ban certain guns, ammo, magazines, accesories, etc. that also means that the govt can't ask for a reason why and decide if that's a good reason for owning a firearm.

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« Reply #108 on: August 15, 2008, 10:04:54 PM »
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
lol
At least hypothetically under American law.

Everyone is created equal, some are just more equal than others

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #109 on: August 15, 2008, 10:08:58 PM »
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Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

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« Reply #110 on: August 15, 2008, 10:09:28 PM »
as far as school shootings, getting rid of guns will not solve the problem, if they really wanted to do some damage, they will find a way. If guns were outlawed, they will get a gun some other way or will resort to other means such as pipe bombs, so that argument is irrelevant.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #111 on: August 15, 2008, 11:13:09 PM »
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Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
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« Reply #112 on: August 15, 2008, 11:42:07 PM »

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« Reply #113 on: August 15, 2008, 11:45:09 PM »
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« Reply #114 on: August 15, 2008, 11:55:39 PM »

Load it with hollow points.

OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #115 on: August 15, 2008, 11:56:31 PM »
Why are bullets measured in millimeters in a country based on the imperial system?
Foreign ammunition is based on millimeters. There is also a standard form of measure for bullets.

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« Reply #116 on: August 15, 2008, 11:59:05 PM »
OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!
Not as evil as the Korean guy carrying dual 9mm pistols loaded with hollow points.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #117 on: August 16, 2008, 12:03:41 AM »
Everybody has rights, wealth does not change that.
Really that is why in Los Angeles County the Sheriff started a reserve deputy program only for celebrities just so he could issue CCW permits to them but the rest of us were screwed out of it
So corruption = the law?

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #118 on: August 16, 2008, 12:07:47 AM »
TTIWWP




Is that your way of saying you couldn't get the fully automatic versions?

Seriously, why should idiots like soksurol have guns? What good could possibly come of it?

If you knew anything you would know full autos cost over $10k as they have to of been made before 1986.  I'm not going to even comment on the rest.     
Yeah, because turning a gun into full auto is hard, no wait it isn't. A fully automatic weapon can be purchased for less than 1 thousand dollars, if you know people.

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« Reply #119 on: August 16, 2008, 12:09:27 AM »
OMFG!!!! EVIL!!!!! it's gonna kill someone, quick burn it before it jumps up and starts shooting people!!!!
Not as evil as the Korean guy carrying dual 9mm pistols loaded with hollow points.

what? you assume because he has two 9mm pistols and hollow points that he's gonna shoot up a college campus and....oh wait, that already happened didn't it?