Guns are evil

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #60 on: August 15, 2008, 03:35:25 AM »
How will I shoot immigrants?

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« Reply #61 on: August 15, 2008, 03:36:10 AM »
Can you at least agree that, ignoring practicality, in an ideal world nobody should own a gun?


but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2008, 03:38:39 AM »
but to ignore practicallity would just be day dreaming. Therefore, not a base to outlaw guns. Hope is not a plan-remember that.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2008, 03:41:13 AM »
but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

I don't agree. If people are so far gone as to be such a danger to society, they should not be allowed the freedoms that most people are from whatever stage in childhood their problem is first noted.

how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

You make a good point here. I'm afraid I shall have to eat my words. However, I still do not think just anybody should be able to buy a gun.
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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2008, 03:47:17 AM »
but there would still be mentally challenged/deranged people that would kill or steal just for the fun of it or because they wouldnt know better, so therefore yes, guns would be necessary.

note- I never said that they would use a gun

I don't agree. If people are so far gone as to be such a danger to society, they should not be allowed the freedoms that most people are from whatever stage in childhood their problem is first noted.
note- I never said that they would use a gun

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how about hunters that kill animals to feed their families?

You make a good point here. I'm afraid I shall have to eat my words. However, I still do not think just anybody should be able to buy a gun.
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neither do i, thats what a 4473 is for, which also doesnt allow mentally challenged Americans to purchase a gun. I also believe the 4473 could be stricter but it does a good job currently on people purchasing a gun. In an ideal world, the 4473 would be sufficient enough to ensure that guns are in the right hands. However, in the real world, people can obtain guns other than the legal way.

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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2008, 03:57:15 AM »
However, in a perfect world, i do agree with you that the only ones that should have guns are cops and hunters. Therefore, guns, in themselves are not evil.

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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2008, 04:01:23 AM »
Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned
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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2008, 04:15:09 AM »
Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned


apples and oranges

Australia is an island, therefore not easily accessible

the United States is land bound with Canada and Mexico as its borders. If America is gun-free, Mexico isnt. Mexico has MS13 and Mexican Mafia and even the Mexican Army that can easily penetrate through our borders and easily supply more gangs with guns. Terrorists have also been known to fly into these neighboring countries and infiltrate our border. Completely different.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2008, 04:18:18 AM »
note- I never said that they would use a gun

What I meant by "freedoms" was the freedom to live in society as normal people do. If they are that dangerous to other people, why should they be allowed such freedom?

neither do i, thats what a 4473 is for, which also doesnt allow mentally challenged Americans to purchase a gun. I also believe the 4473 could be stricter but it does a good job currently on people purchasing a gun. In an ideal world, the 4473 would be sufficient enough to ensure that guns are in the right hands. However, in the real world, people can obtain guns other than the legal way.

I don't know very much about it, but from what I do know of gun legislation in America, I agree that it should be stricter.

However, in a perfect world, i do agree with you that the only ones that should have guns are cops and hunters. Therefore, guns, in themselves are not evil.

Agreed.

Ask Australians what happened to the amount of murders committed with guns after guns were banned

I live in Australia, however I do not know when guns were banned here, leading me to suspect that it was before my arrival in the country.
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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2008, 04:21:41 AM »
It was 1998, but basically everything plateaued

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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2008, 04:23:24 AM »
Also what about defending yourself against animal attacks? Bears, deer, badgers, etc. Sometimes a stick isnt gonna do anything but make them mad.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2008, 04:35:33 AM »
Americans really are paranoid aren't they?

OMG there's gonna be criminals going around trying to rape my family and rob me and that's not to mention the bears!!1!

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« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2008, 04:38:00 AM »
Americans really are paranoid aren't they?

OMG there's gonna be criminals going around trying to rape my family and rob me and that's not to mention the bears!!1!

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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2008, 05:54:24 AM »
In my opinion, the only people to carry guns should be police, and then only for use when someone is resisting arrest.

The 2nd Amendment was added to ensure that man has the right to bear arms in order to protect against enemies, both foreign and domestic. The Gestapo was also police you know. Any civilian who they found to carry a gun back then was summarily executed. Perhaps not a bad idea eh? Or at the very least torture them a little.
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2008, 06:00:47 AM »
The 2nd Amendment was added to ensure that man has the right to bear arms in order to protect against enemies, both foreign and domestic. The Gestapo was also police you know. Any civilian who they found to carry a gun back then was summarily executed. Perhaps not a bad idea eh? Or at the very least torture them a little.


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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2008, 06:02:27 AM »
and you think the world is flat--we're even

And you think people think the world is flat.

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« Reply #76 on: August 15, 2008, 06:26:52 AM »
and you think the world is flat--we're even

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #77 on: August 15, 2008, 07:49:25 AM »
This is a good buddy of mine.  If you people are willing to run around defenseless go right ahead.  I will keep my guns thank you. 


Thursday, December 19, 2002 3:25PM EST

Back from Afghanistan, Marine shoots would-be carjacker

The Associated Press

MONTGOMERY, Ala.(AP) - A Marine sergeant based in North Carolina who served in Afghanistan earlier this year shot and killed a would-be carjacker.
Sgt. James C. Lowery, 22, returned fire after being shot in the face  in the drive-thru lane of a fast-food restaurant. He was listed in fair condition Thursday at a Montgomery hospital. His father, James Eugene Lowery, said the bullet hit his son in the top left cheek and stopped near his voice box. "He comes back from Afghanistan safe and whole. Then he comes home on leave to have rest and peace and this happens," the father said.

Police said Lowery got out of his Chevrolet Suburban when approached by a gunman in the drive-thru lane of a McDonald's restaurant Tuesday night. The gunman shot Lowery, who was then able to get his .45-caliber pistol from the car and shoot his assailant multiple times. Dead at the scene was Thaddeus Antone, 19, of Montgomery.

The fatal shooting is viewed as self-defense and no charges were filed, police spokesman Lt. Huey Thornton said. It will be reviewed by a grand jury following routine procedure.

Lowery, who was on leave until Sunday, serves with Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 252, based at the Marine Corps Air Station at Cherry Point, N.C.

Lowery's father said the unit flies tankers than can refuel aircraft in flight. Lowery, who got married in January, went to Afghanistan a week later and served there for about two months.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #78 on: August 15, 2008, 07:53:41 AM »
So because of a few idiots who decide to fuck things up, guns should be made freely available to the general public?

Another objection I have to allowing people to own guns is their cost. Because America is such a capitalist nation, the result is that wealthier people can afford to protect themselves better than poor people. Why should people have more right to protection just because they have more money?

Also, why do you say "guns"? Surely if one gun isn't going to protect you, no amount of ammunition will? Why the need for more than one?
« Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 07:55:31 AM by Robosteve »
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #79 on: August 15, 2008, 09:26:40 AM »
Because America is such a capitalist nation, the result is that wealthier people can afford to protect themselves better than poor people.

Dude, you can get a cheap ass shotgun pretty much anywhere. I'm sure when it comes to defending your home, you'll want close, broad shots rather than precision. A blast to the chest will do wonders. And I know a lot of people who have shotguns in their homes.

Now, to be perfectly honest, I can tell you were trying to think fancy and elegant. That only applies to assassination or long range killing, which isn't really something you can defend yourself against, unless you wear full body armor 24/7, drive around in an armored car and the assailant is a poor shot, the first two require lots of money to afford.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #80 on: August 15, 2008, 11:05:55 AM »
I love people that make assumptions about america. The poorest people I know own guns. You can get a gun for practically nothing.

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #81 on: August 15, 2008, 11:09:20 AM »
That also doesn't matter. Rich people shoot people too, they can just afford better guns.
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« Reply #82 on: August 15, 2008, 11:15:18 AM »
Its too late now everyone has guns.

Its all borne out of paranoia anyway, all of it.

You survived 100,000 years or whatever without guns then the last 300 years you "need" them?

Bullshit.

Same applies to oil, gas, electricity, technology... man evolved with none of this therefore it is not necessary.

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« Reply #83 on: August 15, 2008, 11:24:13 AM »
Guns in themselves aren't evil, They could be used in many applications outside of killing. A highly efficient hole-puncher for example. It's people's use of guns which is evil.

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« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2008, 11:30:28 AM »
Guns in themselves aren't evil, They could be used in many applications outside of killing. A highly efficient hole-puncher for example. It's people's use of guns which is evil.

I agree to this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. With knives.
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2008, 11:34:32 AM »
Its too late now everyone has guns.

Its all borne out of paranoia anyway, all of it.

You survived 100,000 years or whatever without guns then the last 300 years you "need" them?

Bullshit.

Same applies to oil, gas, electricity, technology... man evolved with none of this therefore it is not necessary.


Most people don't own guns to protect themselves. They own them for target shooting, hunting, display pieces.

And to the guy before this, any gun can kill just as well as any other. More expensive doesn't matter when you're capping someone in the back of the head from 2 feet away.

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« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2008, 11:36:14 AM »
Its like giving a kid a box of matches. Why do it in the first place.
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« Reply #87 on: August 15, 2008, 11:55:16 AM »
Why are bullets measured in millimeters in a country based on the imperial system?

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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #88 on: August 15, 2008, 11:57:31 AM »
I love the threads aimed directly at the FOX News tards.
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Re: Guns are evil
« Reply #89 on: August 15, 2008, 11:59:21 AM »
Guns in themselves aren't evil, They could be used in many applications outside of killing. A highly efficient hole-puncher for example. It's people's use of guns which is evil.

I agree to this. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. With knives.

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