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« on: February 15, 2007, 11:37:44 PM »
And I just can't believe it.  This is ridiculous.  I click around a bit, at first I thought it was a joke, but then it dawned on me that... holy ....  there are a whole bunch of people here, in the year 2007, who think that the world is flat. Incredible.

I noticed a few things... the first thing I noticed was a post in which some poor soul thinks that satellites do not exist and any pictures of the earth have been "manufactured" here on the earth's surface.   I suppose if you think the earth is flat then you would also have to convince yourself that satellites do not exist, and I do mean convince yourself, because there is no evidence to support such an idea.

To you sad people, I would kindly like to point out a thing or two.  Sattelites do exist my logically challenged friends.  Walk outside on a clear night.  Now, look up at the sky.  Now, just keep your gaze on the stars for a good moment, just until you spot what looks like a star gliding across the sky.  That would be a sattelite.  It shouldn't take you more than 30 seconds to find one.  You can usually find one within ten seconds of looking up at the sky, at any time of night, simply because there are so many satellites circling us.   The earths orbit is literally littered with them.  Do it on the next clear night.  If it is a clear night right now, do it right now.  They are surprisingly easy to spot.  Like I said, it will look like a star, but it will be gliding across the sky moving in a linear fashion, and as you watch it move you will be able to tell that it is "underneath" all of the other stars, and that it is not a plane.

Second, I would like to point out that I have used google earth to zoom in on the top of my residence.  I could see my car parked out front, so if that is a hoax, my goodness have they ever done their research.

The next thing I noticed was the proposterous theories proposed by the self proclaiming "smart people", the people claiming to be physicists and psychologists who think that the world is flat.  Um.. hello?  Einstein anyone?  He explained gravity in a way that makes sense, even in calculation, and the calculations include giant spherical mass known as planets.  

Here, I will help you guys out on this one, here it is explained in video form.. since you people do not seem to ... read.. any... sort of... information.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4258041398583592305&q=elegant+universe

The earth shooting upwards pinning us all to its surface was good for a few laughs though, thanks for that.  The author of that post, who I noticed is a moderator gets an A+ for effort, but unfortunately Einstein owns you when it comes to physics.. and makes a lot more sense... (his theory includes everything else... yours will have to bend and twist everything else to compensate for it)  soooo... watch the aforementioned movie so that you can shut down this site and get on with your life.  

Another thing I would like to touch on is the planes being able to fly around the world thing... ok um.. someone brought this up, and someone elses rebuttal was that you can "trace the outside of a coin and come full circle..."  .. um... ?  wha..?  But I thought the earth was flat?  The outside of a coin is round?  And what would be on the coins surface then?  That doesn't really make sense.  So can someone else, maybe Tom Bishop who I immediately noticed is the village idiot here,  possibly explain to me how planes are able to fly straight and end up in the same spot?  If the world is flat then why can't we find its edges?

Also, Tom, I noticed you coming down on others when they can't understand your "perfectly logical theories" which show us how flat the earth is, saying that their lack of education is to blame.

Well... in the second grade I was taught that the world was spherical,  so I am curious as to where you got your education from.

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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2007, 11:52:54 PM »
This post is miniscule, I'm just feeling out the forum.  I am, after all, dealing with a bunch of people who think the world is flat, I thought I would keep it simple.

Care to touch on anything I brought up, or... just gonna keep believing the world is flat?

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2007, 11:53:23 PM »
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maybe Tom Bishop who I immediately noticed is the village idiot here


But it seems you didn't notice the FAQ.

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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2007, 11:53:36 PM »
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I noticed a few things... the first thing I noticed was a post in which some poor soul thinks that satellites do not exist

Satellites cannot orbit without gravity.
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Second, I would like to point out that I have used google earth to zoom in on the top of my residence.  I could see my car parked out front, so if that is a hoax, my goodness have they ever done their research.

The pictures don't have to come from satellites.
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The earth shooting upwards pinning us all to its surface was good for a few laughs though, thanks for that.  The author of that post, who I noticed is a moderator gets an A+ for effort, but unfortunately Einstein owns you when it comes to physics.

Sigh, Einstein's theories are what allows us to claim that.
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Another thing I would like to touch on is the planes being able to fly around the world thing.

The FE is shaped like a cylinder.  We inhabit the top surface, which is round, with the north pole in the center.  Traveling east/west would mean you are tracing a circle around the center.
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I am curious as to where you got your education from.

ASU, one of the top engineering schools in the country.


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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 12:02:29 AM »
No, I didn't notice the FAQ,  but I did notice that Tom Bishop is the village idiot of the forum.  I'm not going to quote any of you, I can't be bothered to do that either, I'll just copy and paste.

"Satellites cannot orbit without gravity."
And your point is...?

"The pictures don't have to come from satellites."
Go outside on a clear night and look up.

"Sigh, Einstein's theories are what allows us to claim that."
Yet they propose nothing of the sort.  A cylindrical earth?  Uuh...

"The FE is shaped like a cylinder. We inhabit the top surface, which is round, with the north pole in the center. Traveling east/west would mean you are tracing a circle around the center. "

Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface?  What do you mean 'round'?  I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle...

"ASU, one of the top engineering schools in the country."

Well that explains why he's such a physics expert.

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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2007, 12:03:56 AM »
And like I said.  If it's flat, why can't we find the edges.

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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2007, 12:04:51 AM »
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Planes can fly in a pefectly straight line, and end up where they started, without falling off the earth.


You sure? Aren't they flying "around" the earth? How is that straight?

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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 12:08:30 AM »
refer to edit.  and the post above your last one.  also, that was a nicely crafted dodge of all of the other points I made.  You also really "refuted" me good with that last one.  Yeah.  I guess they wouldn't be going straight.

Good job.

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2007, 12:12:01 AM »
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Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface?  What do you mean 'round'?  I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle...

Well that explains why he's such a physics expert.


no, flying east/west would be like flying around the north pole in a circle. The north pole is in the center of the earth.

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2007, 12:12:37 AM »
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"Satellites cannot orbit without gravity."
And your point is...?

No gravity, no orbit, no satellites.
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"The pictures don't have to come from satellites."
Go outside on a clear night and look up.

What will that prove?  Am I going to see a satellite taking a picture of my house?
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"Sigh, Einstein's theories are what allows us to claim that."
Yet they propose nothing of the sort.  A cylindrical earth?  Uuh...

Gravity=acceleration.  By Einstein.
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Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface?  What do you mean 'round'?  I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle...

Uh, yea.
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Well that explains why he's such a physics expert.

Well, at least I'm appreciated.


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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 12:22:17 AM »
"What will that prove? Am I going to see a satellite taking a picture of my house?"

You will be able to spot lots of satellites.  Some might be taking pictures of your house.

"Gravity=acceleration. By Einstein."

Um. No.  Although I see where you are coming from, that is not what he thought.

Here I'll help you out again, you must have missed it the first time.  Enter SpaceTime.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=4258041398583592305&q=elegant+universe

And one person is saying that going east/west would be going back and forth, another is saying it would be going in a circle.  So which one of you is right?

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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 12:25:17 AM »
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And one person is saying that going east/west would be going back and forth, another is saying it would be going in a circle.  So which one of you is right?


Who said it's like going back and forth? oO

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2007, 12:25:30 AM »
And why can't we find the edges?

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Azukre

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2007, 12:26:33 AM »
TheEngineer, when I said this..

"Um.. wouldn't going east/west be going back and forth across the flat surface? What do you mean 'round'? I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle... "

and he said this..

"Uh, yea."

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Azukre

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2007, 12:27:18 AM »
Why can't we find the edges?

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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2007, 12:27:36 AM »
he was refering to you saying "I'm assuming you mean that the surface of the earth is flat and is shaped like a circle... "

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2007, 12:28:22 AM »
Well then he shouldn't have quoted the east/west part too.

Why can't we find the edges?

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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2007, 12:29:19 AM »
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Why can't we find the edges?


The edge is the south pole. and it's said that it's guarded so you can't come too close to the real edge.

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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2007, 12:30:56 AM »
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"Gravity=acceleration. By Einstein."

Um. No.  Although I see where you are coming from, that is not what he thought.

Really?  Then why did he come up with the equivalence principle?  Why did he base GR on it?


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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2007, 12:35:47 AM »
I just noticed... on this very day, that Earth was flat. I'm filled with glee after finding this forum. Thanks Zues.
I wish I was
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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2007, 12:36:39 AM »
Ah, yes, of course.  Guarded.  So nobody can ever see it.  How convenient.

If the south pole is spread out about the edge of the earth, then what's on the other side of the cylinder?  Another two poles?

What a ridiculous stretch.  Blasted compasses eh?  If they didn't exist your theory would be a lot easier to mould.

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2007, 12:38:14 AM »
Not really, compasses work quite well on the FE.


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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2007, 12:39:29 AM »
"why did he come up with the equivalence principle? Why did he base GR on it?"

Probably the same reason he thought that planets were spherical and created spherical warping in the spacetime grid which is physical reality.

Maybe the same reason his calculations were of spherical planets.

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2007, 12:40:45 AM »
"Not really, compasses work quite well on the FE."

Yes, after the theory has been tailored to them.  FE mashes things in places they don't fit, rather than seamlessly weaving everything together.

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2007, 12:41:31 AM »
Did you actually read about the equivalence principle?  If you had, you would understand that gravity=acceleration.


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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2007, 12:41:34 AM »
So now I'm curious, what's on the other side of the cylinder?

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« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2007, 12:42:18 AM »
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FE mashes things in places they don't fit

What things?


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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2007, 12:42:47 AM »
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So now I'm curious, what's on the other side of the cylinder?

Space.


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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2007, 12:44:37 AM »
Gravity is quite a bit more complex than =accelleration and has undertaken new understandings since Einstein.  The equivelance principle does not prove or disprove your theory, it is just something else you can use to your advantage.   Doesn't change the fact that Einstein thought (knew) planets were spheres.

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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2007, 12:46:14 AM »
Gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration.  That's what allows us to have the earth accelerating.


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