Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.

They correct for drift

WHAT DRIFT?
Just what do you think they are correcting for?

Planes measure for any deviation

Again, we are talking about the gyro, not the plane.
It doesn't matter what the orientation of the plane is.

All your BS about level magically meaning flat for planes has already been refuted elsewhere.
Stop repeating the same pathetic BS.
You are just showing how utterly pathetic, dishonest and desperate you are, and how utterly worthless every single post of yours is.

Try using your own brain again, it’ll help a lot

I have.
You should try it some time rather than eating and throwing your own shit, which seems to be all you can do.

Again, what are they correcting for?

Gyroscopes are compasses within air, to measure for the direction of flight, and also use the magnetic center of Earth, the liars told us was the North Pole on ball Earth.

Look at a compass or plane gyro compass, they are flat instruments, not ball instruments. A ball earth isn’t using flat earth shaped instruments that use magnetic center point of the flat Earth, I’m sure!

Gyroscopes are compasses

No, they aren't. They are fundamentally quite different.

Look at a compass or plane gyro compass, they are flat instruments, not ball instruments.

How?
Gyrocompasses is the other thread.
That is an instrument that relies upon a rotating round Earth.
That is NOT a flat Earth instrument.
The gyro in a plane is also a round Earth instrument, made to correct for the change in orientation as the plane moves around Earth and the Earth rotates.

You are yet to provide any other reason for them to self right.
So the only reason remaining is that Earth is round.

Sure, you can’t find any sources for your bs claim, right?

Show me documents that mention Earths rotation as being measured, and how it was measured and what instruments were used for it, or you mean the typical bs story of being calculated by the Sun and all that bs?

Have you ever realized that planes use instruments measuring for a flat surface below a level and flat across it as horizontal or parallel to the surface, which is exactly what they do?

The last excuse was about air being curved around Earth, but our instruments measure any descent or ascent by inches or less, so the curving pressure gradients excuse was toasted like all the rest were.

Level is, always has been, always will be, a path over a given distance or span between two or more separate points, ACROSS THOSE TWO SEPARATE POINTS, including both points in the measurement for level.

When your side suggests a huge cylindrical tank can be measured as level, the level isn’t even fully along the tank, you’d think they’d get that part right, so they’re idiots already.

They’d not use their instruments if not accurate, so drop that argument .

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 19, 2025, 11:19:20 PM

Gyroscopes are compasses

No, they aren't. They are fundamentally quite different.

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 19, 2025, 11:19:20 PM

Look at a compass or plane gyro compass, they are flat instruments, not ball instruments.

How?
Gyrocompasses is the other thread.
That is an instrument that relies upon a rotating round Earth.
That is NOT a flat Earth instrument.
The gyro in a plane is also a round Earth instrument, made to correct for the change in orientation as the plane moves around Earth and the Earth rotates.

You are yet to provide any other reason for them to self right.
So the only reason remaining is that Earth is round.

Assuming that Earth is first shaped as a ball, then assuming it’s speeding through an endless space, then assuming it is further moving around ‘in orbit’ of another assumption of the Sun being 90 some million miles away from Earth and assuming its enormous in size, and all the stars haven’t ever changed because they all move as one with Earth and Sun and all the others, despite the trillions of miles between them, everyone is linked as one by the magic gluing force of gravity fame..


Any sources on your claims?

So they don’t account for curvature, or measure for curvature on any instruments, but somehow they ‘adjust for curvature’ over all flights without even knowing they accounted for curvature along the way!

I guess they adjust for curvature somehow but never realize they do, but they need a specific instrument on planes to measure for Earths rotation, and they DO realize they’re measuring for it too!!

Ouch

Sure, you can’t find any sources for your bs claim, right?

No, we have provided you with plenty, which you just ignore or deflect from. Just as you are doing now.

Again, stop with all the BS and tell us what the self-righting mechanism is for.

Assuming that Earth is first shaped

Not an assumption. A fact, based upon mountains of evidence you wish to reject.
The relevant piece of evidence for this thread is the self-righting mechanism of gyroscopes.

Why do planes have them?
Can you answer that?

I guess they adjust

No need for guessing. We know how.
They maintain their altitude, and the gyroscope has a self-righting mechanism.
That is all that is needed.
You are yet to explain any other reason for this self-righting mechanism.
So again, why would planes have gyroscopes with a self-righting mechanism in your delusional fantasy?
What is there to correct or adjust for?

You brought up this instrument, stop the bs already, what’s your point here?

You brought up this instrument, stop the bs already, what’s your point here?

Wrong again.
DataOverflow did.

The point they are making is that these instruments are made with a self-righting mechanism because Earth is round and rotating.
Earth being round and rotating means you need such a mechanism for these devices to work reliably.
If Earth was flat and not rotating in an axis that is not vertical, you could do away with these mechanisms and just have the plane have a gyroscope.

i.e. the existence of these mechanisms make perfect sense and are expected for a rotating round Earth; but you are yet to provide any reason to have them on a flat Earth.

So why do airplanes gyroscopes have a self-righting mechanism if Earth is flat?

Quote from: turbonium2 on October 11, 2025, 01:51:03 AM

You brought up this instrument, stop the bs already, what’s your point here?

Wrong again.
DataOverflow did.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on October 06, 2025, 03:04:02 PM

Another pointless Jack manifesto derailing a thread.

Says the low life who decided to post in a way which in no way contributes to the thread, and is literally just a shit post.

Thanks for bumping my “shit” thread. 

😂😂

You really believe every instrument on planes is based on a flat, level, horizontal surface of the Earth, by every single measurement they do, adjust back to after going off course for any reasons, but now they use a ball Earth instrument?

What about your gravity excuses, the made up bs force that changes our instruments to read level flight as level to Earths curvature, over the outer surface of that ball? It also curved the air above Earth to match its curvature too!

Why change your argument about the magical super duper force of endless new miracles and powers, and why wasn’t rotation of Earth mentioned at all in it until now?

Your arguments are getting worse and worse than ever before.

I’ve already explained how their instruments measure for a level flight, as a flat and horizontal flight or path.

Their instruments measure for the slightest descent or ascent by less than one foot off level, and is further confirmed by the altimeter reading up or down by one foot altitude, and others as well read for any change from level flight.

So what reads for a plane in level flight and same altitude, that could still be off course during a flight?  That is the drift referred to with planes

The flight measures as level at one same altitude, but what measures for pitch or banking of its wings?

That’s what the gyrocompass measures for, among other things as well.

It is another instrument measuring for the flat surface below planes, which can drift slightly off course by a slight bank of its wings, while still flying flat and level at altitude.

It uses one center point atop that ball, which is the exact center of the flat Earth, which is also the magnetic center measured by all compasses, including this one used on planes. A 3 d instrument measuring for any other direction of a plane, but most of all, measuring for drift, a bank or angle off course from straight and level flight

This instrument refers and ‘self rights itself’ to one, single point atop of it in the exact center of it.

Not two opposite points on top and on bottom. Just one point on top and at center.

I’m really wondering how this instrument which refers to one single point atop of it at the center, which reads for the exact center of Earth, being magnetic and is read by the gyrocompass and normal flat faced compasses….measured in the southern half of a ball Earth on planes?

It obviously cannot measure for the magnetic north or center point of the flat Earth, when a plane is flying in the south half of the ball Earth.

It doesn’t change its measurements of the one same point atop the ball, because there is no south half of a ball Earth, nor is there a north half of a ball Earth. It is a flat Earth, with one magnetic center point in its middle

This instrument refers and ‘self rights itself’ to one, single point atop of it in the exact center of it.

Not two opposite points on top and on bottom. Just one point on top and at center.

The artificial horizon uses a mechanism to correct for drift of the gyroscope as it flys over a curved earth.

These instruments measure the Earths surface as flat.

How?

And why does the gyroscopic artificial horizon have systems built to compensate for the earth’s curvature.

Quote from: InTheLoveLight on January 04, 2024, 08:22:46 AM

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

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https://flatearth.ws/artificial-horizon

An artificial horizon, or attitude indicator, is a flight instrument that indicates the aircraft’s orientation relative to Earth’s horizon and gives an immediate indication of the smallest change of orientation. An artificial horizon utilizes a gyroscope to detect the change of orientation and pendulous vanes to continuously correct the orientation relative to the level.

Flat-Earthers claim that an artificial horizon should drift over time if the airplane is flying over the spherical Earth because the gyroscope will eventually drift and no longer points toward Earth’s center. In reality, an artificial horizon has a self-correcting mechanism, keeping the gyroscope upright if it is displaced for any reason, including by the aircraft’s motion following Earth’s curvature.

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Your proof the earth is flat is using a flight instrument that uses a gyroscope and corrects for the known earth’s curvature with gravity and pendulous vanes?

Well, that’s ignorant and embarrassing on your part?

All a flat earther would have to do is inhibit the pendulous vanes and show the instrument doesn’t drift like it would for flying around a sphere.

Altitude on the ground is the known altitude before a flight goes up into air.

You’re babbling.  The VSI doesn’t change if the aircraft stays at a specific pressure band correlating to an altitude.  And the only way to gain altitude is to increase flight surfaces and increase power.

The VSI only reads when the plane leaves a pressure band correlating to a certain altitude. 

Where VSI doesn’t measure “flat”. What happens to VSI indications flying over a mountain range.  It’s doesn’t show the mountain range below.

Turbs, your post is senseless and factual wrong. 

Now address what was actually posted.


  A gyrocompass uses a caged or restrained gyroscope that results in the earth’s rotation producing a torque on the caged gyroscope keeping it pointed north. 

Not only do gyroscopes drift because of earth’s rotation if not corrected for as in an artificial horizon.

One of the prevalent examples from “Behind the Curve”  where earth’s rotation causes a gyroscope to drift.

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One of the more jaw-dropping segments of the documentary comes when Bob Knodel, one of the hosts on a popular Flat Earth YouTube channel, walks viewers through an experiment involving a laser gyroscope. As the Earth rotates, the gyroscope appears to lean off-axis, staying in its original position as the Earth's curvature changes in relation. "What we found is, is when we turned on that gyroscope we found that we were picking up a drift. A 15 degree per hour drift," Knodel says, acknowledging that the gyroscope's behavior confirmed to exactly what you'd expect from a gyroscope on a rotating globe.

https://www.newsweek.com/behind-curve-netflix-ending-light-experiment-mark-sargent-documentary-movie-1343362

Anyway.  You can limit a gyroscopes motion by limiting how its gimbal move to use earth’s rotation to create torque so the gyroscopes will point north.

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 Not only does earth’s rotation causes gyroscopes to drift, whete there only systems to correct / compensate for this drift, but earth’s rotation can be used to create torque to get a “caged” gyroscope to point north.

It’s been known for a long time long distance flight causes the gyroscope of an artificial horizon to drift from flying over a curved earth so a mechanism was created to correct for the drift.


Understanding how a gyroscope can drift from a rotating earth, this was used to produce a torque on a caged gyroscope so it would point north resulting in the gyrocompass.

That’s utter nonsense made up by the liars who make up more lies like these ones are.

How could they ever measure for this supposed ‘rotation of a ball Earth’, and where and when did anyone first mention how they detect and measure the Earths rotation, and what proof of that being true, and that’s just for starters!

This looks and smells just like another pile of bs.

It already conflicts with your claim that all things in air rotate with the Earths rotation, and your side always claimed planes rotated with the Earths rotation too, flights with and against the rotation were following its rotation both ways and any other path they flew over Earth.

You can’t even keep your story straight or consistent, because it’s all just bs anyway.

So now what? Now planes don’t rotate with the Earths rotation, but everything else does?

Your story is complete garbage

That’s utter nonsense

Now.  They are actual mechanisms that are design and used for a RE and work because of the physics of a RE.

Sorry.

You really believe every instrument on planes is based on a flat, level, horizontal surface of the Earth

No. Why would I believe your complete and utter BS.

And notice again what you are doing?
None of this pathetic crap of yours gets you any closer to explaining why these mechanisms exist.

Instead, you realise you have no way to defend your delusional model, so you just go off spouting already refuted pathetic BS.
The vast majority of which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.

So I will ignore the vast majority of your crap and focus on only the 1 point which might be related:

It is another instrument measuring for the flat surface below planes, which can drift slightly off course by a slight bank of its wings, while still flying flat and level at altitude.

Again, as already explained, a gyroscope would do this all by itself.
If the plane banks, the gyroscope would maintain its own orientation and show that orientation to the pilot through the instrument to show the plane is banked.
That does NOT require a self righting mechanism.

So what is the purpose of the self righting mechanism?

That’s utter nonsense made up by the liars who make up more lies like these ones are.

The liar here spouting nonsense is you.
If what you are referring to was actually nonsense, you would be able to explain it as such.
But instead, you just dismiss it as nonsense, as that is all you can do.

But instead, like usual, you just spout a bunch of ignorant crap with no bearing on the topic.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and clearly explain what is the purpose of the self-righting mechanism.

Here’s a source explaining the instrument and how it’s used on planes…

https://skybrary.aero/articles/gyromagnetic-compass

The gyromagnetic compass is a horizontal gyro slaved to magnetic north by a magnetic field detector (flux valve) usually located in the wing tips of the aircraft away from metal structure. The short term accuracy of the gyro combined with the long term accuracy of the magnetic compass provides a stable and accurate heading reference.

Gyromagnetic Compass System

A Gyromagnetic compass system comprises:

A magnetic detector (flux valve) which electronically senses the horizontal component of the earth’s magnetic field;
A turn/accelerator cut out switch which cuts out the feed from the flux valve to the gyro during turns and acceleration;
A gyroscope which maintains its position reference and continues to point in the same direction regardless of what the aircraft does;
Compass repeaters to transmit heading information to the associated instruments

So it ‘self corrects’ itself for the magnetic North, which is the center point on the flat Earth.

It does exactly what I’ve already told you over and over again, you moron

Here’s a source explaining the instrument and how it’s used on planes…

This is not the thread for gyroscompasses.
And even then, you aren't even talking about a gyrocompass, but a gyromagnetic one which is an entirely different instrument.
This is the thread for the self-righting mechanism, including that used for the artificial horizon or attitude indicator.

Why does this exist in your pathetic fantasy?

Stop with all the pathetic BS, and tell us what the purpose is for this self righting mechanism.

Everything we’ve never used or needed before now, is very important to know and account for! Because curvature must be accounted for on larger than
normal projects! If any are done, in future! None yet, but maybe in future!

There’s one project done awhile ago, which they said accounted for curvature in it, being the project had to be very precise and accurate in its construction…

It was a long distance of underground pipes and connections of each separate section of pipes which had to match up along the whole distance it stretched over the project.

I looked more into the project.

What they did, was that their maps weren’t accurate, BECAUSE THEY FOLLOWED WITH CURVATURE OF THE SURFACE!

So they had to find maps that had no curvature, and were flat surface maps, which were accurate, and that’s what they used for this project.

They certainly DID ‘account for curvature’, by removing it completely from their project!

The irony is beautiful to see

Everything

you have provided in this thread has gotten you no where near explaining what the self-righting mechanism is used for.

So stop will all the pathetic BS and explain it.

Stop spamming completely baseless and irrelevant BS.

Explain what the self-righting mechanism is for, or admit you can't.

They indicate where they are in relation to the center point of Earth, both of the instruments do that, in two different ways.

Drift is going off the correct path of a flight, and they know the correct path, but sometimes have problems getting back on that path, drifting slightly can add up to way off course at times.

So these compasses point to one position on the Earth, the exact center point of Earth, by two different methods, and the pilot knows where the plane is in relation to the exact center point on Earth, and uses that and the other instruments to adjust the path back to normal again.

Why only read for the one point, if a ball has two points on it? Because it’s only one point, the center of our flat Earth is this one point

They indicate where they are in relation to the center point of Earth, both of the instruments do that, in two different ways.

Drift is going off the correct path of a flight, and they know the correct path, but sometimes have problems getting back on that path, drifting slightly can add up to way off course at times.

So these compasses point to one position on the Earth, the exact center point of Earth, by two different methods, and the pilot knows where the plane is in relation to the exact center point on Earth, and uses that and the other instruments to adjust the path back to normal again.

Why only read for the one point, if a ball has two points on it? Because it’s only one point, the center of our flat Earth is this one point

Compasses do not tell you where you are in relation anything.  They only provide directionality.

They indicate

That is a gyroscope by itself.
That does not need the self-righting mechanism.

Drift is going off the correct path of a flight

That would either be a GPS tracker, or the plane itself.

Again, we are not talking about using the instruments to correct for the plane drifting.
We are talking about the instrument itself.

So these compasses

We are talking about instruments like the attitude indicator, which has a self-righting mechanism.
Stop spamming irrelevant crap.
It just shows your desperation and dishonesty.

Again, stop with all the pathetic crap and explain the purpose of the self-righting mechanism on the gyroscope.

Appealing to anything about the plane or motion of the plane is entirely irrelevant unless you are trying to claim the orientation of up and down change as you move around Earth, i.e. that Earth is round.

I see that RE / the heliocentric solar system is still more useful than the FE model.  And FE can’t come to terms how the gyroscope in an artificial horizon works and how it is designed to corrects for drift.  Where it’s backed by stash and others pointing out how accelerometers in cellphones also make use of gravity to reference down.  Where gravity is used to reference down and part of the system to correct for drift from flying over a curved earth in an artificial horizon that uses a gyroscope.  Where flat earthers in the documentary Behind the Curve observed how earth’s rotation caused drift in a ring laser gyroscope.  The same rotation that produces torque in a gyrocompass to keep it pointing north.  RE useful, FE useless. 

Level is a path, straight and horizontal and flat across that path. It extends to infinity, as a straight and horizontal and flat path, or line, or in all directions outward as a flat surface.

Nothing curves or slants up or down or squiggles over that path, it is always straight across and horizontal and level and flat across it.

Level flight is always measured for flights of planes, and nothing else but level and horizontal flight is achieved for flights.


Trying this bs argument about air being curved above Earth, is pure nonsense.


Planes measure for level within air, as a straight across, horizontal path, around the entire plane itself. 

It’s limited in measuring for level flight by the planes length, nose to tail, wingtip to wingtip each side of it.

It’s almost like having a 400 foot long level in air, moving above the surface, constantly measuring for level along the way.

Level is not one point, it is a path over two separate points and between each point.

We cannot measure for a curve, a curved line or curved surface, with any instruments that measure for level.

Now they’re trying to twist what level actually means, claiming ‘level flight is a flight at one same altitude’..

Obviously it’s level at one same altitude, but level to what? How does level mean it’s at the same altitude?

That it is a straight across, horizontal path of flight in air, over a flat surface, at the one same altitude during its flight in air.


Anything but say what level is and means, with bs like this..

A plane that measures 500 feet in length and wingspan, is used to measure for level flight in air, no more beyond that.

It measures the air pressure around the plane, to find level in its flight.

The whole plane measures the air pressure around it in air, for level flight in air.  All of the plane is measured for level in air, all points of it, nose to tail, wingtip to wingtip, as level in air.

The plane constantly measures air pressure along its flight, in 500 foot segments, nose to tail, and wingtip to wingtip across it.

If Earths surface was curved over it all as a ball, and air was curving over the ball Earth, in curving pressure gradients, how would we ever measure for level flights of planes with our instruments?

Consider how much ‘curvature’ there’d be over 500 feet of the surface, maybe a few cm or so, within your curving air above ball Earth.

Those curved air pressure gradients, would also have to curve lesser at higher altitudes above ball Earth, too! 

Why would our instruments measure curving air above a curved surface as ‘level’? What does that even mean? Level to a curving air above a curved surface of a ball Earth?

It’s strange that nobody, no pilots, no books, no documents, mention that air is curved! 

How many pilots know air is curved? 

I’m sure you’d have some sort of proof that air curves?  No? If not, why are you claiming this bs? Another lie as usual!






 

Level is a path, straight and horizontal and flat across that path.

Repeating the same pathetic BS wont help you.
Repeating the same off topic BS wont help.
All your lies about level in no way help explain why a gyroscope has a self-levelling mechanism.

You have had your pathetic lies about planes refuted countless times.
Repeating them wont save you.

Again, explain the purpose of the self-righting mechanism in the gyroscopic instruments, or admit you have no idea.
Anything else is just more pathetic deflection to escape from the fact your garbage model doesn't work.

Oh, right, it’s ’self-leveling’ itself, which means it corrects for true level!

Same as their other instruments measure for level flight at one same altitude on flights every day fir years, it’s nice to have additional instruments like this one, they have added instruments before too.

But now they have a bs story about it. How stupid can they get?

The fools like you will buy it and spew about it as support for ball Earth.  Well done on that crap, you bought it like a fool without a clue it conflicts with your earlier claims!

When did anyone mention a rotation of ball Earth as a problem before now?

Are pilots taught about it?

I’ve never heard pilots or anyone mention this before now! It’s all the rage now, how come it’s never been mentioned until now?


It’s just more bs, yet again

Oh, right, it’s ’self-leveling’ itself, which means it corrects for true level!

No, it not self-levelling itself, it has a mechanism to right itself.
We have been over this countless times.

Again, it is not measuring for level, it is measuring itself.

How stupid can they get?

Clearly not stupid enough to accept your BS.

I’ve never heard pilots or anyone mention this before now!

i.e. you are wilfully ignorant.
Guess what? Your wilful ignorance doesn't change reality.

Now stop with all the pathetic BS, and explain what purpose this self-levinging mechanism serves in your delusional fantays.