Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.

What is the reference to level on a mountain peak?

Level does mean

horizontal, not straight.
And this is NOT the topic of discussion.

Stop with all the pathetic BS and clearly explain what the self-righting mechanism is used for on the airplane gyroscopic instruments.
Can you do that?

Stop your bs, if you bring something up, say what it is or think it is, don’t ask me to explain something you brought up in the first place.

Answer your own question, bozo, cut the juvenile bs, you’re not 15 anymore. Even though you often act like a 15 year old, you’re an adult, so act like one for a change.

As for horizontal, it is a straight line, when level and horizontal. No curved or other shaped lines are horizontal or level.

Obviously, straight lines aren’t always horizontal lines, they slant up or down or any direction, too. 

That’s why I’m trying to refer to straight lines in terms of being horizontal, because you always say the same crap about it.

And now we can move along from this minutiae you keep droning on about.,

Stop your bs

I'm not the one repeatedly spouting pure BS.
YOU ARE!

if you bring something up

I didn't.
YOU DID!
You brought up to continue your pathetic deflection from your complete inability to explain such a simple thing.

Answer your own question, bozo, cut the juvenile bs

I have, Earth is round, and rotating.
Because of this, a perfectly balanced gyro will appear to drift as Earth rotates and as you move around Earth.
That means it would be useless as an attitude indicator.
So the self-righting mechanism is included to correct for this, to continually force the gyroscope to remain upright, regardless of how much Earth has rotated or how much the plane has moved around.


Are you going to accept the answer, and accept that Earth is round?

If not, then YOU stop the juvenile BS and YOU explain why this is needed in your FE fantasy.

As for horizontal

It is not straight, no matter how many times you repeat that pathetic lie.

And again, this is just your pathetic deflection from your complete inability to explain the purpose of the self-righting mechanism on airplane gyroscopes.

Now again, stop with all this pathetic BS and either accept the answer I provided, which means accepting Earth is round and rotating, or provide your own.

Right, we can’t measure for curvature with any instruments on planes but we can measure for a ball Earth rotating at 1000 mph with a gyroscope!

Isn’t a plane always atop the ball Earth at all times and directions of flight?

What would its rotational direction matter at all?

We don’t ever account for a ball Earth rotation in any way at all. What direction is the rotation? Along the equator line in middle of ball Earth?

How does a gyroscope measure the ball earths rotation, exactly?

I thought your made up super duper force of all things was holding planes to its rotation and we didn’t need to account for it when the magic force held planes to the rotation of Earth!!

Our instruments are designed and built and measure for one very important and crucial thing, and that’s exactly what they do, and that is the most obvious thing they do, which you cannot ever excuse with twisting of terms and perverting their actual definitions.

Level means horizontal, a path over a distance, it is not one point in middle of our instruments alone as level, it is all of the instrument which is level. and must be to measure for level with our instruments.

Curves aren’t level or horizontal of flat or straight.

Your ‘one point’ story is so crappy it’s stunning to see them put out such horrible crap


A point isn’t measuring for level, a length over a distance measures for level.

Right

You sure do love your absolutely pathetic deflection don't you?

Such a trivial question, a trivial issue to address, and you find it to be an insurmountable problem for your delusional BS.

we can measure for a ball Earth rotating at 1000 mph with a gyroscope!

No, with an accurate enough and properly balanced gyroscope, we can measure the rotation of Earth at a rate of ~15 degrees per hour.

Notice that sane people not this rotation in terms of angles, because that is what is important.

What would its rotational direction matter at all?

It isn't the plane that matters here, it is the gyroscope.
If it maintains its orientation (note the key word here, orientation, not position) in space, then a plane just sitting on a rotating Earth, on the equator, would show itself as upside down after 12 hours.
Likewise, if we ignore the rotation for a minute, and a plane flies half way around the globe, it would also show as upside down.
Obviously that would be a problem.

We don’t ever account for a ball Earth rotation in any way at all.

Except with things like the self-righting mechanism on gyroscopes, which account for it automatically, without needing to calculate any direction or rotation.

Our instruments are designed and built

for a round Earth.
And you lying about that wont change it.

Again, the self-righting mechanism on airplane gyroscopic instruments is a clear example of that.
So damaging you need to just keep repeating the same pathetic lies.

Level

Is just a pathetic deflection from you.
Every time you bring it up, you just show everyone how much of a pathetic, desperate, delusional, lying, subhuman scumbag you are.

Stop bringing it up.
It doesn't help you at all.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and tell us what the self righting mechanism is for.

Just keep on saying what you want it to account for, that makes it all true!

And keep on ignoring what our instruments measure as level flight as horizontal flights over the flat horizontal surface too!

We know how planes measure for level and horizontal flight with their instruments.

It’s proven as a flat surface with our very instruments, but you claim it’s measuring for level to a curved surface, by a made up force in the ball Earth making instruments read level but it’s a ball surface level instead they measure with help from the magical force in ball Earth!

These are the only instruments ever made that don’t measure properly, that are manipulated by a made up force to measure the ball Earth surface and read as level, but not level as horizontal or flat, even if it measures that!!

We know how planes measure for level and horizontal flight with their instruments.

What happens again when an airplane flies over the Rocky Mountain range? It’s not level.  Does the VSI charges as the ground below increases in height thousands of feet?

 Or through a hurricane with huge waves? 

Our instruments don’t measure for level flight by the surface below planes, they measure air pressure for level flight.

Air flows level above the level flat surface, both are measured for level, used level in many ways.

And keep on ignoring what our instruments measure as level flight as horizontal flights over the flat horizontal surface too!

You mean keep on NOT ignoring the self-righting mechanism, made because Earth is not flat?
The thing you need to keep on ignoring because you can't address it.

We know how planes measure for level and horizontal flight with their instruments.

Yes, with a self-righting mechanism in the gyroscope to keep it upright as the plane moves around a rotating round Earth.
Something you can't address at all.


Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS and tell us what the self righting mechanism is for.

Show me your sources that explain how it is self correcting for earths rotation, and how they know it detects this rotation, when no instrument on Earth can do that.

The made up force was claimed to hold all things to Earths rotation, all clouds and planes and balloons. They claim that this is why a balloon in air at one same position in air for over an hour doesn’t see any rotation of the surface below it, right?

Now you have a conflicting claim that planes don’t get held by your made up force to follow earths rotation!

How about sticking to one claim for once, instead of two or three conflicting claims? But that ain’t ever gonna happen with your non stop gibberish that knows no boundaries or conflicts as a problem. Anything fits in, two conflicting claims both work, because they both have to fit, and conflict with the other claim. All good for the blowhard ball earth crowd

Show me your sources that explain how it is self correcting for earths rotation, and how they know it detects this rotation, when no instrument on Earth can do that.

So show you a complete and utter strawman?
No thanks.

How about you address what you have been repeatedly fleeing from.

It is quite clear these mechanisms exist.

Why should they exist in your pathetic fantasy?
Can you answer that at all?
If not, you have nothing.

Show me your sources that explain how it is self correcting for earths rotation, and how they know it detects this rotation, when no instrument on Earth can do that.

Links, videos, and explanations already provided in this thread.


You already ignore them and change the actual argument to your delusion.  How is reposting them going to stop you from lying, derailing, babbling, trying to change the argument, you misquoting and lying what people post.  Turbs you have repeatedly been given evidence on numerous subjects across various threads where you just blatantly lie what is in the video and so on. 

Show me your sources

Another device that works on gyroscopic principles to consider.

Gyrocompass: How Ships Navigate Using The Earth's Rotation

What happens when we’re in balloon in air, fixed in one position, below the Earth ball rotating at 1000 mph?

Gravity holds the balloon up in air, holds onto all the air above the entire ball Earth, and all objects within the air, to the exact same point below them on the surface of Earth, which makes everything rotate with the Earth! 

What happens when we’re in balloon in air, fixed in one position, below the Earth ball rotating at 1000 mph?

Why don't you go test that?
And tell us what magic you are using to keep the balloon fixed.

Gravity holds the balloon up in air, holds onto all the air above the entire ball Earth, and all objects within the air, to the exact same point below them on the surface of Earth, which makes everything rotate with the Earth!

No, it doesn't.
Care to try going based upon reality instead of your delusional fantasy?

Now again, quit with the BS and explain why airplane gyroscopic instruments have a self righting mechanism.

What do you think they mean by ‘right’, when they have a mechanism to ‘self-right’ themselves?

Gyroscopes measure one point on their center, the top point on their spheres, as ‘right’, and when they’re off this point, it can be in any other direction, off the ball, which is not a flat path in all directions. That is a flat and level and straight path of flight over the flat Earth surface.

What do you think they mean by ‘right’, when they have a mechanism to ‘self-right’ themselves?

I have already explained that, and you have even been provided videos explaining that.
A self-righting mechanism exists to keep them upright.
For most, that is making it so the axis of rotation of the main wheel of the gyroscope is vertical.

Now again, stop playing dumb and try explaining why they have this mechanism.

Im new to this "flat earth" stuff, but I find it weird that the only proof that FE ever has is just to say that RE proof is bad, while any attempt made to get proof from FE results in anger and people talking about conspiracy and governments or smth? I just need to know if there is ANY proof for flat earth.

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 06, 2025, 05:26:52 AM

What do you think they mean by ‘right’, when they have a mechanism to ‘self-right’ themselves?

I have already explained that, and you have even been provided videos explaining that.
A self-righting mechanism exists to keep them upright.
For most, that is making it so the axis of rotation of the main wheel of the gyroscope is vertical.

Now again, stop playing dumb and try explaining why they have this mechanism.

Gyroscopes use one point, set and known as a base point, built for only one point, to remain at this one same point, and if they are off of the one same point, during a flight of a plane, for any reason at all, we adjust for the correct flight path.

What about when a plane takes off from ground, ascends into higher altitudes, before level flight is reached up to, and when it starts to descend and land back down to the surface again?

What are gyroscopes doing at a take off or ascent, landings or descents?

They’re not useful and not used for take offs or landings, because those are known and required ascents and descents for all flights, and use other instruments to measure for them.

Your ball Earth rotates one time over a 24 hour period, and everything above the Earth, within air, is held in place within the air, and the air and everything within the air, you claimed that, nobody else claimed it, nobody made it up and said you claimed it!

Any move a plane does to go off of level flight is measured by a gyroscope as off course, it has nothing to do with a ball Earth rotational adjustment you claim it’s used for in planes!

Gyroscopes use one point...

None of this pathetic garbage of yours is addressing what is asked.
These instruments have a self righting mechanism.
This is to control the orientation of the gyroscope, not the plane.

Again, stop playing dumb and try explaining why they have this mechanism.

No point arguing or explaining anything with a narcissist.

Did you not claim what ‘all astronomers like them’ say ‘seeing’ to cover for all problems? Motion was always from effects, they saw Saturn like we do, but never mentioned how it looked in motion, they understood it was due to effects, and all of that was just called ‘seeing’.

You claimed it’s always been known by the term ‘seeing’. It accounts for everything they never mentioned but saw back then, understood it meant all that, and that’s why they didn’t need to say it meant all that!

No point arguing or explaining anything with a narcissist.

So no point arguing or explaining anything with you?

Again, stop playing dumb and try explaining why they have this mechanism.
If you can't, admit you have no explanaiton.

Because on a flat and level and horizontal surface or flight path, they self right themselves. A point, not a curved path or surface.

Because on a flat and level and horizontal surface or flight path, they self right themselves. A point, not a curved path or surface.

So still no explanation. Just another pathetic lie.

If they were going over a flat surface, maintaining their orientation in space, why would they need a self righting mechanism?

If Earth was flat, why can't they just spin up a gryo and let it just maintain its orientation?
Why would they attach things to it to affect its orientation?

Thats what we want them to do, stay and maintain it’s one position. But they don’t stay in one position on flights, that’s what they are used for, as are gyrocompasses for the center point of Earth, they made up as a North Pole.

Why is it always found that whenever you think an instrument measures for a ball Earth, or its curved surface, or even better yet, could measure for the magical phantom of the South Pole.  That’s the pole you’d need to prove exists, you’ve just taken the center of Earth as your North Pole. The pole that isn’t a pole, that indicates Earths center point on compasses.

Planes don’t

Why do the gyroscopes in artificial horizons have to have auxiliary systems to correct for drift from flying over a curved earth.  The statement proves itself. 

Quote from: turbonium2 on April 19, 2025, 01:31:02 AM

Planes don’t

Why do the gyroscopes in artificial horizons have to have auxiliary systems to correct for drift from flying over a curved earth.  The statement proves itself.

They correct for drift, but not over a ball Earth, for over the flat and level and horizontal Earth, which is measured and corroborated by this and other instruments as well.

You are left with the most idiotic case ever. Planes measure for any deviation from level flight. Level flight measures as 0 feet per minute, on the VSI for example, confirmed by the altimeter and so on. Every instrument matches to level flight, which is neither an ascent nor a descent, and they measure ascents and descents the very second it happens, within one foot up or down from level and horizontal flight.

What the hell do you think these measurements mean? They CAN only mean level and horizontal flight. Even your curved air nonsense wouldn’t work, a one foot descent or acent will always be measured, and it has nothing to do with the different pressure gradients either, an ascent or descent works throughout air, any and all and halfway in two gradients.

Trying to change what level means into level to Earths curvature was a complete farce, and failed miserably.

The newer excuse of measuring for level on a curve with tiny separate measurements is idiotic and also impossible. If a tiny segment on a curve does read level, the instrument doesn’t measure for the small curve, it doesn’t mean it IS level.  It’s a frickin curve, you can’t make it level

Try using your own brain again, it’ll help a lot

They correct for drift,

Artificial horizons are made accurate by having auxiliary systems that correct for drift from the gyroscope traveling above a curved earth.