Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2025, 01:21:46 AM »
Flying level is always a straight and horizontal path in air, no curved flight paths at all.

What is measured by planes as level flight, is air pressure measured around the entire plane, and other instruments as well, confirming the readings, as level flight, there is nothing of a curve in level flight.

The plane does not curve ‘naturally’ in a level flight, it maintains level and horizontal flight throughout.

To actually say planes fly in curved paths but never measures for a curved path on their instruments, or saying they read a curved flight path as level, because you say it does, is complete bs.

What about a laser level, it curves a light to match earths ‘curvature’ too, but we can’t see a curve at all, it’s too small a curve to see??

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2025, 01:41:09 AM »
Your curve is built on ridiculous stories and goofy excuses, nothing else.

Level isn’t really level at all because you say it’s level to Earths curvature, it measures a curve as level flight, but is too small to be measured for a curve, a big, and too small curve it is!

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2025, 01:49:43 AM »
Flying level is always a straight and

Dude.  You just keep spamming the tread with the same debunked crap.


If the Earths surface or air above it was curved, it would have to curve over the whole surface, which would be extremely difficult to measure and account for, and would require very different instruments than we use today. 



WTF?

Why.  The pressure at 30,000 feet is the pressure at 30,000 feet.  The only way an airplane can change altitude disregarding turbulence that throws a plane around, is changing flight surfaces and changing power. So once it’s set to fly at 30,000 feet it’s going to fly at 30,000 feet correcting for turbulence. 

Turbo.  You’re just lying about reality.

Do you understand the working definition of level surface.

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Level Surface: A level surface is a curved surface in which all the points are at the same distance from the earth's surface. The continuous surface that is perpendicular to the earth's mean spheroid is known as a level surface.

https://testbook.com/civil-engineering/levelling-in-surveying-definition-and-types#:~:text=Level%20Surface:%20A%20level%20surface,that%20represents%20a%20level%20surface.

Gyroscopes aren’t used for a ball Earth or a drifting above a ball Earth, that’s complete bs.


Hmm.  While you ignore the real and measurable dip of the horizon.

Anyway.  The artificial horizon uses a gyroscope that is designed to correct for drift for flying over the spherical earth. 

They are another instrument used to measure for straight and level flight, like the main instruments are used for.

There are instruments that measure the absolute altitude above sea level that only need to be accurate to 75 feet that do not show actual ground clearance if flying over a tall mountain.

What instrument shows “level flight” while in flight?  The artificial horizon that uses a gyroscope that corrects for drift while flying over a spherical earth? 

Equipotential: a Property of the Surface of Water


The surface of the sea is a level surface.

By the way.  The surveying definition of level surface. 

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Level Surface : A Curved surface that at every point is perpendicular to the local plumb line. The plumb linemeans the direction in which the gravity acts. Level Surfaces are approximately spheroidal in the shape. The common example of a level surface is a body of the still water.


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They aren’t modeled or designed to account for flying over a big ball Earth, in any way at all.

Artificial horizons are most definitely manufactured to correct for drift while flying over a spherical earth.  To say otherwise is a lie.  A false assurance. 

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All a flat earther would have to do is inhibit the pendulous vanes and show the instrument doesn’t drift like it would for flying around a sphere.

Do you understand this thread is about the gyroscope in an artificial horizon and how it is built to prevent drift flying around a spherical earth.

Hello, Turbo.  Do you understand this thread. Do you understand why the gyroscope in an artificial horizon has to have auxiliary systems to prevent drift flying around a spherical earth.   All a flat earther would have to do is charter a flight and take an artificial horizon along with the systems preventing drift from flying around a globe inhibited, and compare it to the onboard working artificial horizon.  Turbs, do you understand?  Hello! 
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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2025, 02:44:58 AM »
Planes don’t drift above a ball Earth, a gyroscope doesn’t measure a drift over a ball Earth at all.

They measure for any drift from a level flight, a horizontal flight above a flat and level Earth below the planes.

They measure for all directions off of level and horizontal flights, up or down or slanted to right or left. That’s why they’re shaped in a sphere, to account for all directions possible in air.

They have nothing to do with a made up ball Earth just because they’re shaped as a ball.

Balls are used to measure your balance on as flat and level to it, on its center point atop the ball. That’s how a gyroscope works in planes too.

Now you know

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2025, 02:48:09 AM »
And again, nothing measures for your made up curve at all. We just ‘naturally curve the plane’ without ever measuring for a curve! Amazing indeed!

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2025, 03:10:15 AM »

a gyroscope doesn’t measure a drift over a ball Earth at all.



What are you babbling about Turbs.  Artificial Horizons are built to prevent drift of the gyroscope specifically because the earth is spherical. 

Your babbling is just stupid at this point Turbs. 

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2025, 03:12:11 AM »
Instruments used on planes always measure for level and horizontal flight, any other path isn’t level or horizontal flight.

You can’t understand what it would be like if planes had to fly above a ball Earth with a curved surface, because it is flat and not curved.

But let’s assume it was a curved ball Earth surface. The instruments on planes couldn’t measure for the curved surface. The air pressure would also need to be curving above Earth, but the curving air would be larger with more altitude above the ball too, which would change the radius of curved air with any change of altitude flown at by planes.

But even if the air curved over Earth, a plane would not fly level to a curved air above a curved surface.

Everything is curved in a flight, nothing is flat or level or horizontal to this.

And so planes would still have to fly in a curved path, the physical curved air and surface aren’t flat or level or horizontal. Nor can the plane fly level or horizontal over the curved surface in curving air above the surface.

The actual physical curve must be flown above in a curved flight path, not ever level or horizontal paths would be flown.

And it would measure as a steady descent on instruments too.

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2025, 03:19:26 AM »
Instruments used

Still spamming the thread.


You’ve believed there is such a small curve over the Earths surface, making it not possible to measure for,

The curvature of the earth can be witnessed.

It always appears to be rising upward over the surface up to a horizon. 

Which has been proven false in numerous ways.

Dip of the horizon



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Flat Earth horizon still wouldn't look flat!




Compressing the photo makes it easier to see.

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Or from a high enough altitude.

Interesting video with interesting pictures from the life of the Concorde Airline and the official photographer.


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Where you ignore the measurable dip of the horizon.


Hello, Turbo.  Do you understand this thread. Do you understand why the gyroscope in an artificial horizon has to have auxiliary systems to prevent drift flying around a spherical earth.   All a flat earther would have to do is charter a flight and take an artificial horizon along with the systems preventing drift from flying around a globe inhibited, and compare it to the onboard working artificial horizon.  Turbs, do you understand?  Hello!

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2025, 03:28:38 AM »




But even if the air curved over Earth, a plane would not fly level to a curved air above a curved surface.



What are you babbling about.

Why.  The pressure at 30,000 feet is the pressure at 30,000 feet.  The only way an airplane can change altitude disregarding turbulence that throws a plane around, is changing flight surfaces and changing power. So once it’s set to fly at 30,000 feet it’s going to fly at 30,000 feet correcting for turbulence. 

Turbo.  You’re just lying about reality.

Do you understand the working definition of level surface.

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Level Surface: A level surface is a curved surface in which all the points are at the same distance from the earth's surface. The continuous surface that is perpendicular to the earth's mean spheroid is known as a level surface.

https://testbook.com/civil-engineering/levelling-in-surveying-definition-and-types#:~:text=Level%20Surface:%20A%20level%20surface,that%20represents%20a%20level%20surface.

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Level Surface : A Curved surface that at every point is perpendicular to the local plumb line. The plumb linemeans the direction in which the gravity acts. Level Surfaces are approximately spheroidal in the shape. The common example of a level surface is a body of the still water.


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You’re babbling.  The VSI doesn’t change if the aircraft stays at a specific pressure band correlating to an altitude.  And the only way to gain altitude is to increase flight surfaces and increase power.  And that is if the engines make enough thrust.

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Well, that would probably happen in a perfectly motionless atmosphere where the plane would fly dead ahead, and over time gain altitude (provided it has sufficient thrust) as the earth curves away from under the airplane.


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https://askcaptainlim.com/does-a-jet-plane-constantly-adjust-its-nose-down-to-follow-the-curvature-of-the-earth/

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Most civilians aircraft don’t make enough thrust to fly above 50,000 feet.  So, it’s not like airplanes will just drift up to 80,000 or 90,000 feet.






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JackBlack

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2025, 05:00:27 AM »
What do you think our instruments are for?
It varies depending on the instrument.
The attitude indicator is for measuring the attitude of the plane. This is ideally in relation to "sea level" over Earth, i.e. a roughly spherical shape.
Because of this they were designed with a self righting mechanism.

Why is the Earths surface so important to know as flat
Because you can't handle reality so need to desperately cling to a fantasy.

Look at how the compass is designed and used on a flat Earth.
And where is this fantasy FE I can go to to do so? I can easily see how they are made and used on a round Earth.

It points to the center of flat Earth, and out from the center in an expanding circle.
You mean towards the south pole as it does in the southern hemisphere?
The fact that it points to 2 points should be a big cause for concern for you. But because you have no integrity and don't give a damn about reality, it isn't.

Because you want an excuse
The one desperately looking for an excuse here is you.
So desperate to dismiss a curve that is so easy to verify you need to make the excuse that because you can't measure it in your bath, it mustn't exist at all.



Flying level is always a straight and horizontal path in air, no curved flight paths at all.
That is your baseless lie you are yet to justify in any way.
So far all your attempts have been to blatantly lie to everyone, then flee from the refutation of those lies.

What is measured by planes as level flight, is air pressure measured around the entire plane
i.e. something incapable of determining if the plane is flying in a straight line or a curved one.
i.e. yet again demonstrating you are a lying POS.

To actually say planes fly in curved paths but never measures for a curved path on their instruments, or saying they read a curved flight path as level, because you say it does, is complete bs.
Now try that against the BS you are saying:
To actually say planes fly in straight paths but never measures for a straight path on their instruments, or saying they read a straight flight path as level, because you say it does, is complete bs.

That is exactly what you are doing.

What about a laser level
You mean yet another example that you are a lying POS, because it has been refuted countless times with you just fleeing from those refutations?

Your curve is built on ridiculous stories and goofy excuses, nothing else.
And another pathetic lie, with a side of projection.
The curve is built upon mountains of evidence.
It is part of a model which actually works to describe reality.

Conversely your fantasy of a flat Earth is build upon nothing more than your hopes and dreams and is not supported by any evidence, and doesn't work as a model to explain so much.

Planes don’t
Again, repeating the same baseless assertions will not help you.

They measure for any drift from a level flight
Again, notice the key word? LEVEL!
Not magic flat delusional fantasyland.

They measure for all directions off of level and horizontal flights, up or down or slanted to right or left. That’s why they’re shaped in a sphere, to account for all directions possible in air.
Notice how you left out 2 very big, important directions there?
Turning left or right, i.e. yaw.
If they truly were flying over a flat plane, they could use the 1 instrument for all of it.
But because they aren't, the gyroscope has a self-erecting mechanism that would interfere with the ability to measure yaw. So they use a separate compass for that.

We just ‘naturally curve the plane’ without ever measuring for a curve! Amazing indeed!
They naturally adjust for air pressure, following whatever shape that is.

You can’t understand what it would be like if planes had to fly above a ball Earth with a curved surface
I can, quite easily. Especially because countless planes do.
The one who seems entirely incapable of doing so is YOU!

The instruments on planes couldn’t measure for the curved surface.
Which also means they are incapable of measuring for a flat surface.
i.e. a plane cannot tell if they are flying over a flat or curved planet.

The air pressure would also need to be curving above Earth
Just as you would expect for a round Earth with gravity.

But even if the air curved over Earth, a plane would not fly level to a curved air above a curved surface.
Why not? Importantly, when explaining your BS, make sure you address the instruments planes have, and what difference it would measure and why.
In doing so, make sure you address the fact that they are measuring air pressure, and the direction of down. Not some magical flat reference.

And it would measure as a steady descent on instruments too.
You have had that BS refuted countless times.
There is no basis for it to be a descent.
You can equally lie to everyone by claiming it should measure an ascent.
Given the fact your delusional BS works equally well both ways, the logical conclusion is your BS is wrong.

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #40 on: May 25, 2025, 12:43:44 AM »
Try following over a curving away descending down surface with any other flight path.

Hold up a ball, put a little pin above it, and see what your pins path would have to be going over it.

It would always be in a constant descent following above the constantly descending surface.

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #41 on: May 25, 2025, 02:04:35 AM »
They don’t ever measure for the surface below them, that’s not at all what I’ve said here.

They measure for level flight in air, knowing the surface below is level and flat and a horizontal plane. 

That’s why their instruments measure for level, it is the key to a successful flight from point to point.

The plane measured level only to the length of the plane or less, obviously it cannot measure beyond the plane itself.

So it measures over, say 500 feet of distance. Throughout its flight, moving through air, inch by inch and foot by foot, new measurements for level are made. In increments of every movement through the air. It is like putting a level on a floor, and moving it over the floor, measuring level constantly again and again while moving the level over that floor.

The longer distance you can measure for level at one time is better and more accurate of course. And accurate instruments work better as we know.

They cannot possibly measure for any curves, only for flat and horizontal paths. Over two points across them, or outward over a straight and horizontal beam of sharp focused laser light.

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turbonium2

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #42 on: May 25, 2025, 02:34:53 AM »
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You mean towards the south pole as it does in the southern hemisphere?
The fact that it points to 2 points should be a big cause for concern for you. But because you have no integrity and don't give a damn about reality, it isn't.

That’s utter bs. Compasses only point to the north or center of the flat Earth. Stop your bs about this, it won’t work

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DataOverFlow2022

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« Reply #43 on: May 25, 2025, 04:42:56 AM »
They don’t ever measure for the surface below them, that’s not at all what I’ve said here.



Do you understand what is being posts.  Just spamming and derailing the thread makes FE look stupid.

Hello, Turbo.  Do you understand this thread. Do you understand why the gyroscope in an artificial horizon has to have auxiliary systems to prevent drift flying around a spherical earth.   All a flat earther would have to do is charter a flight and take an artificial horizon along with the systems preventing drift from flying around a globe inhibited, and compare it to the onboard working artificial horizon.  Turbs, do you understand?  Hello!

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #44 on: May 25, 2025, 04:50:11 AM »
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You mean towards the south pole as it does in the southern hemisphere?
The fact that it points to 2 points should be a big cause for concern for you. But because you have no integrity and don't give a damn about reality, it isn't.

That’s utter bs. Compasses only point to the north or center of the flat Earth. Stop your bs about this, it won’t work



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Why won’t my compass work on the other side of the Equator?
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A magnetic compass that works perfectly well
north of the Equator, doesn’t work at all on the
south side of the Equator, as you can see in these
photographs. In the same way, a compass that
works in the Southern Hemisphere doesn’t work
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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #45 on: May 25, 2025, 04:52:23 AM »

 It is like putting a level on a floor, and moving it over the floor,

The definition of level surface…

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Like me putting a straight edge along a round tank that has been posted for you already.

A curved surface is never level to anything,

It’s called dip of the horizon. Like duh.


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But as pointed out.  It’s all relative by what frame of reference you use.

This was posed in “They've lied to the world about the stars”.






The tank looks flat with a small enough straight edge.  Small enough point of reference where the tank steadily curves at all points around its circumference.




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JackBlack

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Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.
« Reply #46 on: May 25, 2025, 01:58:18 PM »
Hold up a ball, put a little pin above it, and see what your pins path would have to be going over it.
What do you mean by "above" here?

Do you mean get a tiny ball, hold it up over a much larger ball (Earth), and then use the much larger ball for a reference to "above", rather than the tiny ball?

If so, that doesn't actually support your delusional BS, because it depends upon where the path starts and ends.
Say I go all the way around, then it is going "down" and then "up". Not a constant descent.

If we do it honestly, where we recognise altitude is measured from the surface of the ball, we see that it remains the same altitude above it, and does not ascend or descend, showing yet again how you are lying to everyone.

If we do it dishonestly, like you are trying, where you take any random point on the ball, and rotate the ball so that point is at the "top" and then consider a portion of the fight path, and say it is going down, only to then turn the ball to consider a path going back the other way.
Why should the start be the reference? Why not the end? Both are equally invalid, but lead to completely different conclusions.
Using the start you say it goes down. But using the end you can say it goes up. i.e. you can equally say it is a constant ascent or a constant descent. Showing yet again you are lying to everyone.

And again, this has been explained to you before; once more showing beyond any doubt that you are a lying POS that doesn't give a damn about the truth at all.

That’s utter bs. Compasses only point to the north or center of the flat Earth. Stop your bs about this, it won’t work
bs is a very strange way of saying reality.
It is REALITY that compasses point south as well, specifically towards magnetic south, unless you have a gyrocompass (something which relies upon the rotation of the round Earth), in which case they point to true south.
And if you observe the stars at night you can easily found the direction to the south celestial pole.
Rejecting reality because it doesn't match your fantasy doesn't help you. It just makes you look pathetic and desperate and dishonest.

If compasses only pointed north, they would only have 1 point on the needle, not 2 in opposite directions.

And none of that addresses your blatant lie.
Again, some instruments, for example specifically the gyroscope in an airplane, is built with a self-righting mechanism because the plane is flying over a round Earth.

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turbonium2

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2025, 01:00:27 AM »
Yes, you’re always atop of a ball while flying over it, curving downward over it constantly.

That’s how you can always stay atop the ball at the same height above it.

The path must be curving to follow the curving surface below you.

Not a point above the ball to another point above it, in a straight across path, it must be a curved path flown above a curved surface below you.


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« Reply #48 on: May 31, 2025, 01:19:23 AM »
Yes, you’re always atop of a ball while flying over it, curving downward over it constantly.
Which is NOT the same as a descent.

And again, this in no way addresses the fact that you have lied to everyone when claiming instruments are made to measure over a flat surface.
The attitude indicator has a self righting mechanism because of the curved surface.
But yet again you just ignore everything that was posted, ignoring that you have been refuted yet again, to just repost the same pathetic crap.

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turbonium2

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« Reply #49 on: May 31, 2025, 01:23:55 AM »
There’s nothing level about a ball, nor flying over a ball.

There’s nothing perpendicular or parallel or horizontal or linear about a ball or a flight around a ball.

Balls are curved, they aren’t level to anything at all, they can only have concentric circles matching them in a smaller curve.

If Earth curves downward by 8 inches per mile, a plane must follow that rate of curvature from above it, which is not level flight.

Simply break it down to what you’re flying over. A curving surface, not a flat surface.

To fly from point A to point B, say is a distance of a thousand miles.

Where is point B from where you are at point A? 

Point B is curved down over the ball around 2500 feet lower than where you are.

That is, point B is curved downward from your position on the ball. You must fly in a constant descent over a constantly descending downward from you ball below you.


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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2025, 01:32:03 AM »
There’s nothing level about a ball, nor flying over a ball.
Except what you have already been shown and had explained to you countless times.
Your repeatedly wilful ignorance will not change that.

You can easily construct a line going from the object in question to the centre of this round Earth. That is vertical and shows the direction of down.
Horizontal is perpendicular to that.
If you follow a path that remains horizontal, you will trace a circle. This circle will have the same distance from the centre all around.
That is a level path.

You lying about it will not change it.

If Earth curves downward by 8 inches per mile, a plane must follow that rate of curvature from above it, which is not level flight.
Firstly, it is 8 inches per mile squared, not per mile.
Secondly a plane following this curve IS level flight.
If it deviated from this curve it would either being go up or down.

Simply break it down to what you’re flying over. A curving surface, not a flat surface.
Not a flat surface, but a LEVEL surface (ignoring terrain and the like).

To fly from point A to point B, say is a distance of a thousand miles.

Where is point B from where you are at point A?
Well once you reach point B, and point B is the top, point A would be "below" you.
So by your complete absence of reason, you would have to have been ascending the entire trip.
Again, your pathetic BS doesn't work.

The simplest way to recognise that is that you have no basis to say A is above rather than B is above.
Both ways work equally well.
And because both ways work equally well it shows your argument is pure BS.
This has been explained to you repeatedly.
Continually ignoring it wont make it go away, it just shows you are a lying POS without any concern for the truth who is happy to lie to everyone's face because you have no honest way to defend your BS.

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« Reply #51 on: June 01, 2025, 03:07:09 AM »
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The simplest way to recognise that is that you have no basis to say A is above rather than B is above.

No, point B is below you at point A. If you ARE at point B, then point A would be below you.

Everywhere beyond you on or above a ball is below where you are. It must be, and it is.

We are NOT flying level over any point of a ball. The best we can do is fly in a matching curved path over a ball.


Put a level on a curved surface, and it cannot measure for it.

To measure for level, the entire length of the instrument must measure for it as flat and horizontal and LEVEL.

A level can only measure one point in the middle of a curved surface, and doesn’t work. It curves over the whole surface, and cannot be measured by a level that measured only for a flat and horizontal surface.

Imagine a level that is one mile long. The curve is at the center of the level, and it curves downward on each side by 4 inches. The level would be 4 inches above the surface on each end.

Imagine a level that’s a hundred miles long. Each end of it would be, let’s say about 15 or 16 feet above the surface. You’re not measuring for a curve at all. You can’t measure for it with levels.

Laser levels use straight and level beams of focused light to measure for level.  They too cannot, could not measure for a curve.

Yet we use levels to measure for a non-measurable curve while floating above the curve on each end! While a ladder light beams above a curve on each end of it?

This is complete crap

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« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2025, 04:01:33 AM »
No, point B is below you at point A. If you ARE at point B, then point A would be below you.
Again, follow this through "logically".

If your delusional BS is true, then that means that if I am at point A, to get to point B I need to go down, because it is below me; but once I am at point B, point A is below me so I must have come up to reach it.

Your delusional BS equally says you need to go down to get to it, and you must have come up to reach it.
i.e. it says you must go down and up at the same time.

This shows it is pure BS as you can't do both.

Everywhere beyond you on or above a ball is below where you are.
And importantly, you can maintain the centre being the same distance below you, i.e. fly level.

Put a level on a curved surface
Do you mean a straight edge?
This is not what planes use.
Stop with the pathetic BS.

A level can only measure one point
A level measures level at one point.

Imagine a level that is one mile long.
And what material will you make it out of?
How will you prevent it sagging?
And will this be made as a level at a point with a straight edge, or a level edge?

Laser levels
You are yet to provide a single one which would be capable of measuring the curve.
Instead, all examples you have the curvature creates an insignificant error compared to the uncertainty of the instrument.

This is complete crap
Thanks for summing up your post. Your post most certainty is complete crap.

And again, none of this address the fact that the attitude indicator has a self righting mechanism because Earth is a sphere.

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turbonium2

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« Reply #53 on: June 06, 2025, 08:33:34 PM »
No, you’re always atop of a ball below you.

Right, when you’re at point A, then point B is down from your position. You must move downward from point A to get to point B.

That path is going downward to you, until you reach point B.

There isn’t an opposite path upward at point B, back to point A. It is always a downward path from all points you’re at to any other points from your points.

Another person at point b goes downward to point a where you are.

Everyone on a ball is on top of the ball from their own position outward to other positions.

It is always relative to your own position, always atop the ball, everywhere else from your position is downward from your positions, every one of them at all times and points on a ball.

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« Reply #54 on: June 06, 2025, 08:50:02 PM »
You’ve posted some drawings of a ball, with someone looking up higher on the ball, from the side of a ball going up from him….

He cannot be looking upward at a ball from its side, that viewpoint is from outside of the ball, not from the person on the ball itself.

He is on top of the ball and sees the rest of the ball lower than him, never higher than him. Same as the person on the other side of the ball does.

It’s a stupid and goofy drawing.

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« Reply #55 on: June 07, 2025, 03:11:39 AM »
No, you’re always atop of a ball below you.
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It is always relative to your own position, always atop the ball, everywhere else from your position is downward from your positions, every one of them at all times and points on a ball.
i.e. once you have reached point B, then point A is below you so you must have come up to get to it.
Not hard to understand.
You can no more justify that you have to go down to reach a point than you can justify you must have come up to get to the point you are at.
i.e. your BS is wrong, because you can equally justify either.

The way to do it honestly is to recognise you are always at the top, going in a direction perpendicular to down, so you are not going up or down, but instead flying level.
i.e. your BS is still wrong.

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turbonium2

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« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2025, 09:19:28 PM »
You are first at point A, and go down from point A to any other points away from point A, to point B, which is lower down from where you first are.

And when you get to point B from point A, going downward to point B, it has no upward direction back to point A, from point B.

Because when you’re then at point B, then point A is downward from you now, in your new position at point B.

Every point you are at, is the top of the ball, and everywhere else is down from you atop the ball.

Down is the only direction from all your positions on a ball. Never upward, only downward. There’s no opposite of downward on a ball that goes upward back from a point.


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« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2025, 03:56:01 AM »
You are first at point A
I don't give a damn.
I am not at Point B.
Point A, according to your dishonest, delusional BS is not below me.

So tell me you lying POS, if I came from point A which is below me and arrived at point B, my current elevation, how did I go down?
Surely this should mean I must have gone up?

Otherwise, you are telling everyone, you can get a to a point from a point that is lower than you, by going down.

How could going down ever possibly get me from a point below me, to where I am now?

Go draw a picture. Show point A and point B quite clearly.
Make sure when you do, point A is BELOW point B, because I am point B, so point A, where I came from, must be BELOW me.
Then show how a path from A going down, can get to point B.

There’s no opposite of downward on a ball that goes upward back from a point.
i.e. your argument is pure BS and you know it, but you keep on repeating it; lying to everyone like the lying POS you are.

Once more, the fact that you can equally argue for having to go down or having to go up, shows the argument is pure BS.

When you are traversing this sphere, the point you are on is the "top". The level surface is perpendicular to down, i.e. it is purely horizontal.
Traversing that path is horizontal, not up nor down.
But as soon you have taken a step, along that horizontal path, you are now at a new position at the top, and again, following that curve is horizontal.

At every point in time that you are traversing that level path, you are at the top travelling level, horizontally, not going up or down.
All the way from point A to point B.

Your dishonest pile of BS only works by picking point A as the reference frame for the entire journey, acting like you must use it until you reach point B and only then can you switch to a different one.
Your pathetic BS requires you to have point A at the top the entire time, rather than the object travelling.

It is pathetic BS which has been refuted countless times; yet you keep on repeating it like the lying coward you are.


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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2025, 02:33:43 AM »
Wherever you are on a ball is the top of it relative to where YOU are.

There is no opposite position on a ball. If I’m at point A and you’re at point B, im atop the ball and you are below me at point b. And your stop the ball from your position and I’m lower than you at point A.

An opposite direction over a slanted surface has both an up and down point. Im at point A on top of the slanted up surface and you’re at point b on the bottom of the slanted up surface. Point b where you are is below me at point a. When I go from point a down to point b, I then have to go up on the opposite direction back to point a again.

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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2025, 02:40:36 AM »
You can only be atop a ball, and all around you is downward from you. The top is where you always are on a ball, from wherever you are on it. You are always lower to others on a ball, others are always lower on a ball to you.


There are no opposites of up and down, all are down from wherever you are on it, wherever others are on it.

Balks are not linear, not opposite directional surfaces