They've lied to the world about the stars

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #930 on: March 16, 2024, 01:30:38 AM »
You say there’s no proof their claims were lies, then ignore all the evidence that proves they are lies, what else can they be?
I haven't ignored any evidence.
I explained why what you are providing is not evidence of your claims.

First you claimed their telescope was far superior to any of ours today, at least those on our videos, every one of them.
No.
I correctly pointed out that the crappy camera and crappy telescopes you were using initially where inferior to what they had.
You weren't able to refute that, and instead came up with all sorts of crap to try and pretend that crap you are appealing to is better.

Then you came up with a new excuse, about the video being poor quality online footage, not original footage!!
Again, I didn't come up with an excuse.
I pointed out the artefacting on the image which lowers its quality and that can result in loss of details.
But that wasn't the big problem for that footage, footage which still clearly shows a belt.

Every video can be excused for being not original footage
It is not merely that it is not the original footage.
It is that it has been so heavily compressed that it has lost details.

If you want to show something can't be seen, then you need to show it is the instrument, not the compression of the footage, and not a ring blocking the view.

Again, you are yet to present anything that actually shows they lied.

Meanwhile, to try to show they lied, you appealed to slight distortion of the image to claim they couldn't see it motionless, and when you couldn't justify that quote, you decided to dishonestly pretend that being able to see features means seeing it motionless, and then continually fled from simple questions to expose that dishonesty, making up whatever excuses you could to flee from those questions.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #931 on: April 05, 2024, 08:53:40 PM »
When their claims over 400 years ago have never been proven at all, while every video shows nothing at all they claimed to see back then, it’s clearly proven their claims are lies, made up, sold to the world as truths.

Everyone who makes claims, must support their claims with valid evidence, and confirm their claims are valid by  independent parties.

Why do you think a miracle telescope shall appear to the world, and will show 5 distinct rings on Saturn, with one of the rings showing its edges, and one side showing them parallel, the other side not parallel, yet having a distinct feature on it, and seeing it at a certain position on Saturn, which slowly moves position, after calculating the period of time, or any of that bs, then?

They claimed to see 5 distinct ‘belts’ on Saturn, not one single belt, do you know the difference here?

It’s like if I said I saw a Ferrari with 5 white stripes on each side of it, while everyone else saw just one big stripe on it, and all the videos of it showed one big stripe on it….

You’d say my claim is valid because I mentioned it had a ‘stripe’?

That’s what you’re saying about a ‘belt’, it’s the same argument…

You think that they claimed to see a ‘belt’, but you’re wrong, because they actually claimed to see 5 separate, distinct belts on Saturn, and see their edges on one of the belts, being parallel edges on one side of that belt, and not parallel on the other side, and see a distinct feature there, and it’s position on Saturn at the time, and so forth…

They also claimed to see a ring around Saturn, of some kind, which is true, which we have also seen, shown on videos as being there, yet you don’t mention that at all, oddly…

What they claimed to see of Saturn, described seeing 5 distinct belts on Saturn, seeing the edges of one belt, as parallel, on one side….

Of course what they claim here, is complete bs.

The ring and dark line around the middle of Saturn were already known and seen to exist before that point, no secret or amazing discovery of some kind.

A belt of some sort was seen earlier on, as the ring was known and seen to exist by then.

What makes their claims, their most detailed of descriptions they claimed to have seen, is to look legitimate, and convincing.

But it backfires if found out by others.

When they claimed all this, and centuries afterwards, nobody saw Saturn close up.

Their details of Saturn looked very convincing for a long time.

But now, those details show they were lies they made up.

I’m not arguing they lied about seeing the ring or dark area called a ‘belt’ on Saturn, we all know about that being true, seen and known to exist.

I’m arguing about the main claims they made about it as lies, made up.

These claims are the most important part of the whole story.  Making Saturn a ‘planet’ in endless ‘space’, like all the rest is. 

It doesn’t hold up at all. Saturn included.

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #932 on: April 05, 2024, 11:32:32 PM »
When their claims over 400 years ago have never been proven at all
They have. You just group together everyone who has provided that proof as the liars.

while every video shows
Things entirely consistent with what they claimed.

Again, the only one proven to be the liar here is YOU!

Everyone who makes claims, must support their claims with valid evidence, and confirm their claims are valid by  independent parties.
So when YOU make a claim that they lied, the burden is on YOU to prove it.

So go get your proof.

show 5 distinct rings on Saturn
I thought they were bands/belts?

It’s like if I said I saw a Ferrari with 5 white stripes on each side of it
And then some else proceeds to close the blinds so no one can see through the window, and call you a liar because they can't see it through the window.

It doesn’t hold up at all. Saturn included.
Yet you can't show a fault and you need to dismiss the claims as lies to pretend they aren't supported.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #933 on: April 06, 2024, 12:39:48 AM »
Their claims of seeing five distinct belts on Saturn, seeing its edges on one of these five distinct belts, as parallel to one another, but seeing it isn’t parallel on its other side, which they saw had a distinct ‘feature’ on it, and they mapped its position on Saturn at the time.

Then we look at countless videos of Saturn, and find there is only seen to be one blurry and constantly spinning around darkened region in the middle of Saturn’s orb.

One of these videos you cannot excuse as inferior to theirs, with your new excuse, that the video is of poor quality, would somehow transform the same blurry ‘belt’ seen in many other videos, splitting it into 2 to 5 distinct belts, and their edges?

That’s what you believe we’d see in the original footage?

Or do you know you’d not see their distinct belts at all, but don’t want to see the truth in all its glory?

Look closely at this video. Do you think that it would show these multiple distinct belts, or a few of them?

No, it would be clearer than this, but it won’t create multiple distinct belts out of a fairy tale land you hope comes to be true.



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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #934 on: April 06, 2024, 12:48:19 AM »
when you see footage of a convenience store robbery
and the footage is grainy and pixelated and low quality - do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?


just curious




hey hey
few months now
you gonna answer - what is the angle between segements of a 300,000sided polygon?
also just curious

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JackBlack

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #935 on: April 06, 2024, 12:57:32 AM »
Then we look at countless videos of Saturn
Be honest.
You look at countless shit videos from inferior instruments.

The sole example you have using a better instrument is so horrible compressed it isn't funny, and it has the rings in the way.

Again, that is just like closing the blinds on a window to call someone a liar because you can't see the car through the blinds.

You have NOTHING to justify your delusional BS.

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Themightykabool

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #936 on: April 06, 2024, 02:16:44 AM »
hahahah


is jack "finished with this guy"?



« Last Edit: April 06, 2024, 02:18:36 AM by Themightykabool »

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #937 on: April 06, 2024, 06:54:03 AM »
when you see footage of a convenience store robbery
and the footage is grainy and pixelated and low quality - do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?


just curious




hey hey
few months now
you gonna answer - what is the angle between segements of a 300,000sided polygon?
also just curious


You’re not listening.


They are always in motion, right? Why wouldn't any of them have OTHER movements, at certain times, which are rarely seen, then? It's certainly possible. What proves they don't move at all, when they appear to be moving?

Once again, you would claim this is all caused by our atmosphere, because you assume none of them are moving at all, even though they always ARE moving, so you exclude SOME movements that ARE seen, to be movements of the moon, and others, to be an effect of atmosphere, because you used this excuse for stars, and was proven as nonsense already.

The fact is, EVERY star is in constant, endless movement, it is NOT a random event, it is NOT some of the stars which will 'appear' to be moving,, while others do NOT move, or 'appear' to move, and it is not about stars moving for a period of time, and not moving before or after that period of time.



So the argument isn’t there are no stars (no robbers).  There argument is NASA lied about their distance and what they are.

To go back to your analogy.  It’s not the store wasn’t robbed.  It was upon zooming in on the faces of the robbers, the pixels dance and move.  So they lied to us the robbers were human.  I’m not going to tell you what they are, but because of the video artifacts, they lied about them being human.

Gosh Themightykabool, don’t you listen. 

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #938 on: April 06, 2024, 06:58:12 AM »

hey hey
few months now
you gonna answer - what is the angle between segements of a 300,000sided polygon?
also just curious

Flat Eathers think the earth is flat.  So why would they answer your question that offers no proof of anything.

Gosh Themightykabool, don’t you listen? 

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #939 on: April 06, 2024, 11:40:55 PM »
Then we look at countless videos of Saturn
Be honest.
You look at countless shit videos from inferior instruments.

The sole example you have using a better instrument is so horrible compressed it isn't funny, and it has the rings in the way.

Again, that is just like closing the blinds on a window to call someone a liar because you can't see the car through the blinds.

You have NOTHING to justify your delusional BS.

Here’s the entire clip of Saturn at 8:30 to 9:31 within this video

https://www.google.ca/search?q=mt+wilson+telescope+planets&client=safari&sca_esv=2a58a15ae2bc46a7&hl=en-ca&biw=320&bih=451&tbm=vid&ei=p-sRZvSTEIjh0PEPrdqJmAM&udm=&oq=mt+wilson+telescope+planet&gs_lp=EhBtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXZpZGVvIhptdCB3aWxzb24gdGVsZXNjb3BlIHBsYW5ldCoCCAAyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigAUjkYlCiFljtWHAAeACQAQCYAcgBoAGRCqoBBjE1LjAuMbgBAcgBAPgBAYoCEG1vYmlsZS1nd3MtdmlkZW-YAhCgAoALwgIIEAAYgAQYogTCAggQABiJBRiiBMICBxAAGIAEGA3CAgsQABiABBiKBRiGA8ICBRAAGIAEwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYnwWYAwCIBgGSBwYxNC4xLjGgB6Yt&sclient=mobile-gws-video#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:89649c6d,vid:0edD-121j4k,st:0


Taken through an iPhone which was pointed on the telescope, why don’t they use the best instruments of today to film Saturn, but why question these great astronomers who never lie or hide their magnificent discoveries they have seen in endless ‘space’?

Why are you still asking me to prove your Demi-gods who told the world they have viewed Saturn in great detail never seen before then, filed their impressive looking documents on it, describing their magnificent findings, such as seeing 5 distinct ‘belts’ on Saturn, even seeing their outer edges, particularly one of them, where they saw its edges running along in parallel, on one side, not on the other side, where they also saw a very distinct feature over one edge of that belt….


You must realize that all of their claims were told to people who had no idea what Saturn was, or may have heard of it, the end.

This all comes down to your gods of seeing things that only those gods shall see, but at least they’ll tell us what they’ve seen!!

Your great astronomers made these claims, they died long ago, but every other astronomer has supported their claims as true, or would say they do if asked, and so does NASA, who specifically referred to their claims of its rotation time as being very accurate, considering how long ago it was done!

It would not mean anything at all to most people, it appears as a passing remark, nothing more.

If they’re referring to claims made over 400 years ago, about how accurate they were for its rotation time, compared to their own measurements taken from ‘space probes’, think about what they’re saying, or implying here.

These claims were made over 400 years ago, that they saw and identified many features of Saturn, to allow them to calculate its rotation, after many earlier attempts, over many years of studying it and viewing it.

They claimed to have seen those things on Saturn, using a long scrapped telescope, which means they had replaced it with better telescopes, and saw these same features they had seen, or if they didn’t try to see it as they did, then it’s already fishy.

Your Honorable Gods claimed all of this many centuries ago, and later they had them scrapped, so they’ve have to know and see the same things they saw, just as good or better than they did, right?

And after all that time, since their claims were made, because it was all a ruse, which needed a story that worked out.

If anyone had a very significant claim, such as theirs were, and it would be relevant and useful to others in future studies, it would have been studied and timed again and again, over the centuries since, but they’ve never once done it, apparently.

That’s how I started looking into their claims about Saturn, and looked for any evidence for it, other studies of it, but they haven’t touched it, over all that time, which is very fishy, it would clearly be studied and calculated in timing it’s rotation over and over again, see the same features they did, only see it much better, closer and clearer than they did, and would have a more accurate rotation time for it, as well.

But when they’ve all ignored their research and findings, for over 400 years, when suddenly we hear NASA referring to those very claims they made ages ago, saying their own measurements were close to theirs, which is very impressive, our ancient gods of astronomy, this proves them as gods of the past.

Why would NASA ever refer to those claims, is if it’s been ignored for over 400 years, or others would have done it, and how it looks against their earlier findings.

As nothing is ever accepted as absolute fact, or conclusive, until thoroughly repeated and confirmed to leave absolutely no doubt at all, it might be left as is.

If you notice that when NASA was the first time they have ever referred to their claims, something they’d have studied and seen and calculated it’s rotation time, which would compare against their findings, to see if it matches up, or close to it, or not at all close to it.

It’s how everything else is done. Have we stopped studying Saturn? No, it’s been studied and still is, and will be in future.

Don’t you realize how this is so ridiculous?

After 400 years go by, they all ignore it, never happened at all, so it was obviously done intentionally, because…

They didn’t need to study it again, what they wanted to do, was to make Saturn a slowly rotating planet, like the Earth they told us was.

Their goal was to say that Saturn is another ball planet which slowly rotates like the ball Earth does.

Their claims of Saturn included their seeing fine details of Saturn, with one of those features being seen at a certain position on Saturn at a certain time.

This specific feature was very unique, of course, it could not be mistaken with any other feature on Saturn. This feature was a squiggle or distorted area that was on one edge of one of their 5 distinct belts.

After that, they just had to say this feature had moved to another position on Saturn, hours later, it seems.

It was eventually calculated in how long it took to rotate once precisely at the same spot.

These claims are complete lies, we can clearly see that Saturn does NOT have several distinct belts, it has only one very large ‘belt’ on the orb, and it is in a constant, endless, rapid rotation, as all of Saturn and its ring are.  That’s why we cannot see it clearly, and why no feature can be seen at one position, at least not yet, for us anyway.

Look at how the one belt changes in its outline and position so rapidly, it is best seen in the clearest videos in sequential frames.

The ring changes its angle as well, seen best in sequential frames of a good video.  The orb doesn’t stay in the exact center within the ring either, also seen best in separate frames of a video.

The angle of the rings cannot be due to camera movement or distortion either. The orb does not move when the ring changes its angle. This cannot be from distortion, it doesn’t make the ring change its angle like this.


And it’s your belief in their claims which has no evidence, and you are the one who supports their claims, you must show evidence for it, not say I have no evidence against their claims, because all the evidence shows that.

Look closely at that video you dismiss, and tell me if you really believe that this one large and indistinct belt will magically transform into several distinct belts on the original footage of it.

It’s filmed by an iPhone, or at least this one was. 

That’s the funny part here. An iPhone took the video of Saturn, we can see them do it when they are at the telescope, pointing their iPhones on it!

What a joke!











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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #940 on: April 07, 2024, 02:11:56 AM »
Then we look at countless videos of Saturn
Be honest.
You look at countless shit videos from inferior instruments.

The sole example you have using a better instrument is so horrible compressed it isn't funny, and it has the rings in the way.

Again, that is just like closing the blinds on a window to call someone a liar because you can't see the car through the blinds.

You have NOTHING to justify your delusional BS.

Here’s the entire clip of Saturn at 8:30 to 9:31 within this video

https://www.google.ca/search?q=mt+wilson+telescope+planets&client=safari&sca_esv=2a58a15ae2bc46a7&hl=en-ca&biw=320&bih=451&tbm=vid&ei=p-sRZvSTEIjh0PEPrdqJmAM&udm=&oq=mt+wilson+telescope+planet&gs_lp=EhBtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXZpZGVvIhptdCB3aWxzb24gdGVsZXNjb3BlIHBsYW5ldCoCCAAyBRAhGKABMgUQIRigAUjkYlCiFljtWHAAeACQAQCYAcgBoAGRCqoBBjE1LjAuMbgBAcgBAPgBAYoCEG1vYmlsZS1nd3MtdmlkZW-YAhCgAoALwgIIEAAYgAQYogTCAggQABiJBRiiBMICBxAAGIAEGA3CAgsQABiABBiKBRiGA8ICBRAAGIAEwgIGEAAYFhgewgIFECEYnwWYAwCIBgGSBwYxNC4xLjGgB6Yt&sclient=mobile-gws-video#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:89649c6d,vid:0edD-121j4k,st:0


Taken through an iPhone which was pointed on the telescope, why don’t they use the best instruments of today to film Saturn, but why question these great astronomers who never lie or hide their magnificent discoveries they have seen in endless ‘space’?

Why are you still asking me to prove your Demi-gods who told the world they have viewed Saturn in great detail never seen before then, filed their impressive looking documents on it, describing their magnificent findings, such as seeing 5 distinct ‘belts’ on Saturn, even seeing their outer edges, particularly one of them, where they saw its edges running along in parallel, on one side, not on the other side, where they also saw a very distinct feature over one edge of that belt….


You must realize that all of their claims were told to people who had no idea what Saturn was, or may have heard of it, the end.

This all comes down to your gods of seeing things that only those gods shall see, but at least they’ll tell us what they’ve seen!!

Your great astronomers made these claims, they died long ago, but every other astronomer has supported their claims as true, or would say they do if asked, and so does NASA, who specifically referred to their claims of its rotation time as being very accurate, considering how long ago it was done!

It would not mean anything at all to most people, it appears as a passing remark, nothing more.

If they’re referring to claims made over 400 years ago, about how accurate they were for its rotation time, compared to their own measurements taken from ‘space probes’, think about what they’re saying, or implying here.

These claims were made over 400 years ago, that they saw and identified many features of Saturn, to allow them to calculate its rotation, after many earlier attempts, over many years of studying it and viewing it.

They claimed to have seen those things on Saturn, using a long scrapped telescope, which means they had replaced it with better telescopes, and saw these same features they had seen, or if they didn’t try to see it as they did, then it’s already fishy.

Your Honorable Gods claimed all of this many centuries ago, and later they had them scrapped, so they’ve have to know and see the same things they saw, just as good or better than they did, right?

And after all that time, since their claims were made, because it was all a ruse, which needed a story that worked out.

If anyone had a very significant claim, such as theirs were, and it would be relevant and useful to others in future studies, it would have been studied and timed again and again, over the centuries since, but they’ve never once done it, apparently.

That’s how I started looking into their claims about Saturn, and looked for any evidence for it, other studies of it, but they haven’t touched it, over all that time, which is very fishy, it would clearly be studied and calculated in timing it’s rotation over and over again, see the same features they did, only see it much better, closer and clearer than they did, and would have a more accurate rotation time for it, as well.

But when they’ve all ignored their research and findings, for over 400 years, when suddenly we hear NASA referring to those very claims they made ages ago, saying their own measurements were close to theirs, which is very impressive, our ancient gods of astronomy, this proves them as gods of the past.

Why would NASA ever refer to those claims, is if it’s been ignored for over 400 years, or others would have done it, and how it looks against their earlier findings.

As nothing is ever accepted as absolute fact, or conclusive, until thoroughly repeated and confirmed to leave absolutely no doubt at all, it might be left as is.

If you notice that when NASA was the first time they have ever referred to their claims, something they’d have studied and seen and calculated it’s rotation time, which would compare against their findings, to see if it matches up, or close to it, or not at all close to it.

It’s how everything else is done. Have we stopped studying Saturn? No, it’s been studied and still is, and will be in future.

Don’t you realize how this is so ridiculous?

After 400 years go by, they all ignore it, never happened at all, so it was obviously done intentionally, because…

They didn’t need to study it again, what they wanted to do, was to make Saturn a slowly rotating planet, like the Earth they told us was.

Their goal was to say that Saturn is another ball planet which slowly rotates like the ball Earth does.

Their claims of Saturn included their seeing fine details of Saturn, with one of those features being seen at a certain position on Saturn at a certain time.

This specific feature was very unique, of course, it could not be mistaken with any other feature on Saturn. This feature was a squiggle or distorted area that was on one edge of one of their 5 distinct belts.

After that, they just had to say this feature had moved to another position on Saturn, hours later, it seems.

It was eventually calculated in how long it took to rotate once precisely at the same spot.

These claims are complete lies, we can clearly see that Saturn does NOT have several distinct belts, it has only one very large ‘belt’ on the orb, and it is in a constant, endless, rapid rotation, as all of Saturn and its ring are.  That’s why we cannot see it clearly, and why no feature can be seen at one position, at least not yet, for us anyway.

Look at how the one belt changes in its outline and position so rapidly, it is best seen in the clearest videos in sequential frames.

The ring changes its angle as well, seen best in sequential frames of a good video.  The orb doesn’t stay in the exact center within the ring either, also seen best in separate frames of a video.

The angle of the rings cannot be due to camera movement or distortion either. The orb does not move when the ring changes its angle. This cannot be from distortion, it doesn’t make the ring change its angle like this.


And it’s your belief in their claims which has no evidence, and you are the one who supports their claims, you must show evidence for it, not say I have no evidence against their claims, because all the evidence shows that.

Look closely at that video you dismiss, and tell me if you really believe that this one large and indistinct belt will magically transform into several distinct belts on the original footage of it.

It’s filmed by an iPhone, or at least this one was. 

That’s the funny part here. An iPhone took the video of Saturn, we can see them do it when they are at the telescope, pointing their iPhones on it!

What a joke!

Coherence, ever heard of it? Also, you contradict yourself.

And you're using way too many commas. I know, commas, when, used correctly, can indeed, make reading easier, very much so, but, too many, and your risking, for the most part, incoherence, and, unintelligible babble.
I love Mairimashita Iruma Kun

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #941 on: April 07, 2024, 02:50:14 AM »
Too many commas where exactly?  Be specific here. Not the issue but go ahead anyway

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DataOverFlow2022

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #942 on: April 07, 2024, 03:35:45 AM »
Too many commas where exactly?  Be specific here. Not the issue but go ahead anyway

So.  If “they” “lied” about the stars.  What are stars? 

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #943 on: April 07, 2024, 03:37:53 AM »


Here’s the entire clip of Saturn

You’re wrong about lots of things.

But, how does any of your word salad disprove Saturn is anything other than a planet orbiting the sun like Jupiter? 

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #944 on: April 07, 2024, 03:50:51 AM »
Their claims of seeing five distinct belts on Saturn, seeing its edges on one of these five distinct belts, as parallel to one another, but seeing it isn’t parallel on its other side, which they saw had a distinct ‘feature’ on it, and they mapped its position on Saturn at the time.

Then we look at countless videos of Saturn, and find there is only seen to be one blurry and constantly spinning around darkened region in the middle of Saturn’s orb.

One of these videos you cannot excuse as inferior to theirs, with your new excuse, that the video is of poor quality, would somehow transform the same blurry ‘belt’ seen in many other videos, splitting it into 2 to 5 distinct belts, and their edges?

That’s what you believe we’d see in the original footage?

Or do you know you’d not see their distinct belts at all, but don’t want to see the truth in all its glory?

Look closely at this video. Do you think that it would show these multiple distinct belts, or a few of them?

No, it would be clearer than this, but it won’t create multiple distinct belts out of a fairy tale land you hope comes to be true.

Yes, I see your dilemma.

It's like when I read your posts.

Can I see five shitful arguments going around in circles, or only four?

But more importantly, is there a reason you are fixated on Saturn and not Uranus?
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #945 on: April 07, 2024, 03:52:54 AM »
I know they are beautiful to look upon in the desert skies, it’s unforgettable and emotional and spiritual when I saw it one night in the desert skies.

If we knew how the stars worked or how life was created, good for us, or maybe bad for us, it would be abused and harm us like weapons have been used for evil purposes.

Enjoy looking at the stars, see how much beauty they have when seeing them closer, and closer in future I hope. They tell us our history in a flash of a second, we see it in each frame though. They make sounds, and endless other things we’ve yet to discover I’m sure we’ll discover some day.

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #946 on: April 07, 2024, 04:01:06 AM »

If we knew how the stars worked or how life was created, good for us, or maybe bad for us, it would be abused and harm us like weapons have been used for evil purposes.



You keep bringing up Saturn.  If it’s not a planet something like Jupiter with moons, what is Saturn then. 

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turbonium2

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #947 on: April 07, 2024, 04:04:40 AM »
Their claims of seeing five distinct belts on Saturn, seeing its edges on one of these five distinct belts, as parallel to one another, but seeing it isn’t parallel on its other side, which they saw had a distinct ‘feature’ on it, and they mapped its position on Saturn at the time.

Then we look at countless videos of Saturn, and find there is only seen to be one blurry and constantly spinning around darkened region in the middle of Saturn’s orb.

One of these videos you cannot excuse as inferior to theirs, with your new excuse, that the video is of poor quality, would somehow transform the same blurry ‘belt’ seen in many other videos, splitting it into 2 to 5 distinct belts, and their edges?

That’s what you believe we’d see in the original footage?

Or do you know you’d not see their distinct belts at all, but don’t want to see the truth in all its glory?

Look closely at this video. Do you think that it would show these multiple distinct belts, or a few of them?

No, it would be clearer than this, but it won’t create multiple distinct belts out of a fairy tale land you hope comes to be true.

Yes, I see your dilemma.

It's like when I read your posts.

Can I see five shitful arguments going around in circles, or only four?

But more importantly, is there a reason you are fixated on Saturn and not Uranus?

Thanks for your angry response, the next stage is realizing that you’re not angry about me, you’re angry at yourself.


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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #948 on: April 07, 2024, 04:08:13 AM »
Too many commas where exactly?  Be specific here. Not the issue but go ahead anyway


Look dude, if you want a grammar lesson, go to chatGPT. But, here's one instance where you absolutely butchered english with commas
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And it’s your belief in their claims which has no evidence, and you are the one who supports their claims, you must show evidence for it, not say I have no evidence against their claims, because all the evidence shows that.
I mean, it's readable if you take the time, but can't you restate it in a more easily readable fashion, something like
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You are the one who supports and believes their claims which has no evidence and so you must show evidence for it, and not argue that I have no evidence for all evidence shows that.


Any better?
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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #949 on: April 07, 2024, 05:09:23 AM »
Here’s the entire clip of Saturn at 8:30 to 9:31 within this video
I take it you missed the text at 8:33.
This is footage taken by an iphone, not a camera actually made to take video through a telescope.
This was done by someone just holding up the iphone near the eye-piece, with it moving around and in and out and the camera struggling to try to focus and get exposure correct from all the moving.
The camera on an iphone is made for focusing on an object in front of it, not on an object viewed through a telescope with the phone held near the eye-piece.

why don’t they use the best instruments of today to film Saturn
You mean space probes?
Which would be much better than a ground based telescope, but that you dismiss as a lie because it doesn't match your fantasy.

If YOU want to use the best instruments of today to film Saturn, then YOU go pay for that instrument (or time on it) and go do it.
Don't expect other people to do it for you.

Why are you still asking me to prove your Demi-gods
Not demi-gods, just normal people. People you hate because they don't agree with your fantasy.
I am still asking you to prove they lied, because you are yet to provide anything that actually proves they did.

They claimed to have seen those things on Saturn, using a long scrapped telescope, which means they had replaced it with better telescopes, and saw these same features they had seen, or if they didn’t try to see it as they did, then it’s already fishy.
Which does NOT mean that EVERY telescope made after that is better.
Nor does it mean that you would be able to see it on footage from an iphone through such a telescope.

If anyone had a very significant claim, such as theirs were, and it would be relevant and useful to others in future studies, it would have been studied and timed again and again, over the centuries since
Why?
Yet again, you just assert crap with no justification.
Their claim wasn't that significant.
It isn't relevant to so much it isn't funny.
The only studies it would be relevant for are more studies on the rotation of Saturn.
You need to massively inflate the claim to pretend everyone should be doing it.

it would clearly be studied and calculated in timing it’s rotation over and over again
Again, WHY?

Why would NASA ever refer to those claims, is if it’s been ignored for over 400 years
Because NASA sent space probes to it.
Importantly, this provides a new method to measure it.

It also shows you can't do basic math.
The paper you are appealing to is from 1794.
That is 230 years.

And other instances have also appeared looking into the rotation period:
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/64/6/550/1206697?login=false

Don’t you realize how this is so ridiculous?
I do realise how ridiculous your position is.

These claims are complete lies
Prove it.

we can clearly see
Not from the footage you have provided.

Look at how the one belt changes in its outline and position so rapidly
Look at how the entire view moves around rapidly, as if it is being viewed through a shaky camera.
Look at how the camera struggles to focus and get the exposure set correctly.

And it’s your belief in their claims which has no evidence
You dismissing the evidence as lies doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

you must show evidence for it
No, I don't.
You brought up their claims to say they are lies.
So the burden rests entirely upon you.

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #950 on: April 07, 2024, 09:06:33 AM »

hey hey
few months now
you gonna answer - what is the angle between segements of a 300,000sided polygon?
also just curious

Flat Eathers think the earth is flat.  So why would they answer your question that offers no proof of anything.

Gosh Themightykabool, don’t you listen?

His original claim in the forum in general was a a straight homedepot level was striaght flat and level.
So yes... it has reelvance and he never answered the question.



Side question to you - where specofcially on the internet, does one get good news?
"Cobspriacy forums" is not a source.
Niether are fox affilliates 'good'.





Side side note.
You not a very good troll.
Your obivous lack of tact or sense is obvious.

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #951 on: April 07, 2024, 09:09:51 AM »
when you see footage of a convenience store robbery
and the footage is grainy and pixelated and low quality - do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?


just curious




hey hey
few months now
you gonna answer - what is the angle between segements of a 300,000sided polygon?
also just curious


You’re not listening.


They are always in motion, right? Why wouldn't any of them have OTHER movements, at certain times, which are rarely seen, then? It's certainly possible. What proves they don't move at all, when they appear to be moving?

Once again, you would claim this is all caused by our atmosphere, because you assume none of them are moving at all, even though they always ARE moving, so you exclude SOME movements that ARE seen, to be movements of the moon, and others, to be an effect of atmosphere, because you used this excuse for stars, and was proven as nonsense already.

The fact is, EVERY star is in constant, endless movement, it is NOT a random event, it is NOT some of the stars which will 'appear' to be moving,, while others do NOT move, or 'appear' to move, and it is not about stars moving for a period of time, and not moving before or after that period of time.



So the argument isn’t there are no stars (no robbers).  There argument is NASA lied about their distance and what they are.

To go back to your analogy.  It’s not the store wasn’t robbed.  It was upon zooming in on the faces of the robbers, the pixels dance and move.  So they lied to us the robbers were human.  I’m not going to tell you what they are, but because of the video artifacts, they lied about them being human.

Gosh Themightykabool, don’t you listen.



Given yet again you fail to follow continuity, my post was in singular direct reference to his post qhich immediately preceeded my comment.

You are magnificently and profundly stupid.
How do you use a gps?
Turn randomly and ignore the instructions then complain when you fail to reach destination?
Amazing.



Here it is in order for continuity and continuity:

Their claims of seeing five distinct belts on Saturn, seeing its edges on one of these five distinct belts, as parallel to one another, but seeing it isn’t parallel on its other side, which they saw had a distinct ‘feature’ on it, and they mapped its position on Saturn at the time.

Then we look at countless videos of Saturn, and find there is only seen to be one blurry and constantly spinning around darkened region in the middle of Saturn’s orb.

One of these videos you cannot excuse as inferior to theirs, with your new excuse, that the video is of poor quality, would somehow transform the same blurry ‘belt’ seen in many other videos, splitting it into 2 to 5 distinct belts, and their edges?

That’s what you believe we’d see in the original footage?

Or do you know you’d not see their distinct belts at all, but don’t want to see the truth in all its glory?

Look closely at this video. Do you think that it would show these multiple distinct belts, or a few of them?

No, it would be clearer than this, but it won’t create multiple distinct belts out of a fairy tale land you hope comes to be true.

when you see footage of a convenience store robbery
and the footage is grainy and pixelated and low quality - do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?


just curious


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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #952 on: April 07, 2024, 12:48:20 PM »


His original claim in the forum in general was a a straight homedepot level was striaght flat and level.



Which has nothing to do with the earth looking flat because of it size.

Like this.






The tank looks flat with a small enough straight edge.  Small enough point of reference where the tank steadily curves at all points around its circumference. 


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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #953 on: April 07, 2024, 12:57:03 PM »


Given yet again you fail to follow continuity,

Oh gosh Themightykabool, you’re not listening.

It was all in the opening post.

Quote where turbonium2 said there is no Saturn or no belts of Saturn.

The individual just posts they lie about them, and then never explains what they are.   But turbonium2 doesn’t deny the belts or Saturn.  Or I guess in this case the object we call the belt of Saturn. 


So Themightykabool, “do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?”  Is not relevant to anything.

It’s more like because of noise from zooming we can’t tell if the robbers are human and how many there are. 

 



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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #954 on: April 07, 2024, 01:22:53 PM »
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Given yet again you fail

A better example would be people claimed a robber was wearing five belts.  But Turbs comes along and claims you don’t know for sure it was five belts because of noise in the video.  So they must be lying about the robber as in what the entity looked like.   That’s not the same as claiming “do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?”.  Not the same saying there is no objects we call the belts of Saturn. 


So Themightykabool, you weren’t listening. And you’re bad at reading comprehension.  And you suck at analogies. 

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #955 on: April 07, 2024, 06:34:21 PM »


His original claim in the forum in general was a a straight homedepot level was striaght flat and level.



Which has nothing to do with the earth looking flat because of it size.

Like this.






The tank looks flat with a small enough straight edge.  Small enough point of reference where the tank steadily curves at all points around its circumference.




Whoh has nothing to looking flat?
Uh... ya thats the whole argument.
1km of view looks flat.
100m of view looks flat.
It looks flat.
Whats the angle of a 40,000soded polygon?
If you can answer that then you know looksflat is wrong.


Oh - but you do know.
And yes i lnow youve posted this many silo photo a bunch pf times.
I agree with your phootos.
Hes ignored them too.
Whats that got to do with ragging on me?
Youre fucked in the head.
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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #956 on: April 07, 2024, 06:37:18 PM »


Given yet again you fail to follow continuity,

Oh gosh Themightykabool, you’re not listening.

It was all in the opening post.

Quote where turbonium2 said there is no Saturn or no belts of Saturn.

The individual just posts they lie about them, and then never explains what they are.   But turbonium2 doesn’t deny the belts or Saturn.  Or I guess in this case the object we call the belt of Saturn. 


So Themightykabool, “do you say, the store was never robbed, everything is fake?”  Is not relevant to anything.

It’s more like because of noise from zooming we can’t tell if the robbers are human and how many there are.


Which is a separate point than from what he said just now about grainy respltuon

Youre absolutely ficked in the head.
Time for you to piss off.

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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #958 on: April 07, 2024, 08:46:43 PM »
Here’s the entire clip of Saturn at 8:30 to 9:31 within this video
I take it you missed the text at 8:33.
This is footage taken by an iphone, not a camera actually made to take video through a telescope.
This was done by someone just holding up the iphone near the eye-piece, with it moving around and in and out and the camera struggling to try to focus and get exposure correct from all the moving.
The camera on an iphone is made for focusing on an object in front of it, not on an object viewed through a telescope with the phone held near the eye-piece.

why don’t they use the best instruments of today to film Saturn
You mean space probes?
Which would be much better than a ground based telescope, but that you dismiss as a lie because it doesn't match your fantasy.

If YOU want to use the best instruments of today to film Saturn, then YOU go pay for that instrument (or time on it) and go do it.
Don't expect other people to do it for you.

Why are you still asking me to prove your Demi-gods
Not demi-gods, just normal people. People you hate because they don't agree with your fantasy.
I am still asking you to prove they lied, because you are yet to provide anything that actually proves they did.

They claimed to have seen those things on Saturn, using a long scrapped telescope, which means they had replaced it with better telescopes, and saw these same features they had seen, or if they didn’t try to see it as they did, then it’s already fishy.
Which does NOT mean that EVERY telescope made after that is better.
Nor does it mean that you would be able to see it on footage from an iphone through such a telescope.

If anyone had a very significant claim, such as theirs were, and it would be relevant and useful to others in future studies, it would have been studied and timed again and again, over the centuries since
Why?
Yet again, you just assert crap with no justification.
Their claim wasn't that significant.
It isn't relevant to so much it isn't funny.
The only studies it would be relevant for are more studies on the rotation of Saturn.
You need to massively inflate the claim to pretend everyone should be doing it.

it would clearly be studied and calculated in timing it’s rotation over and over again
Again, WHY?

Why would NASA ever refer to those claims, is if it’s been ignored for over 400 years
Because NASA sent space probes to it.
Importantly, this provides a new method to measure it.

It also shows you can't do basic math.
The paper you are appealing to is from 1794.
That is 230 years.

And other instances have also appeared looking into the rotation period:
https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/64/6/550/1206697?login=false

Don’t you realize how this is so ridiculous?
I do realise how ridiculous your position is.

These claims are complete lies
Prove it.

we can clearly see
Not from the footage you have provided.

Look at how the one belt changes in its outline and position so rapidly
Look at how the entire view moves around rapidly, as if it is being viewed through a shaky camera.
Look at how the camera struggles to focus and get the exposure set correctly.

And it’s your belief in their claims which has no evidence
You dismissing the evidence as lies doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

you must show evidence for it
No, I don't.
You brought up their claims to say they are lies.
So the burden rests entirely upon you.

No, their claims have NO support. It is up to YOU to find support for them, not ask me to find there is NO support for them through every telescope in existence!

Get a grip on the reality.

Asking me to look for every video in existence that shows there are no flying pink elephants in defence of someone who claimed they saw flying pink elephants doesn’t work very well, it’s a joke!

As you are defending their claims which have absolutely no proof, which all evidence proves them as liars, it’s not my job to do your bidding. YOU are the one who either has to do it, or admit you have no support for their claims, and admit they DID lie about what they claimed to see.

A judge in a court of law would shake his head at your idiocy. It wouldn’t even get that far, since you have absolutely no evidence to support their claims anyway.

What’s the next video or telescope you think I need to show you to prove they were liars?  From someone who believes in ‘images’ from ‘space’ ‘probes’ as evidence, three lies combines into one big lie, all three having no evidence of existing, I expect more crap on top of it.
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Re: They've lied to the world about the stars
« Reply #959 on: April 07, 2024, 08:58:19 PM »
Or shall we just say their claims have absolutely no evidence to support them, and take it from there?  Since you’re trying to pounce on my own conclusion that this proves they are liars, let’s start with the fact their claims have absolutely no evidence to support them and take it from there.

Get over your insecurities and man up for once. Who knows, you might like how you feel for once. 

You’ve called me a liar for all this time and you can’t even defend your own liars. Sad