Density doesnt make things go up or down, gravity does.

There’s no proof the rate of free fall is any different at some points on Earth, and if it was different, they’d not have a single rate of free fall, they’d have various rates of free fall listed

So first you wilfully lie to everyone by falsely claiming it is not reported.
Now you just ignore that lie and provide a different one, while repeating this same pathetic lie.

There is mountains of evidence, which you just ignore or dismiss.

I literally provided you a source listing various rates of free fall.
Yet here you are wilfully lying to everyone by implying they don't.

How much more absolutely pathetic and dishonest can you be?

But what matters here is that your made up force supposedly pulls all things down from air to the surface at any given area of Earth at the same speed, same rate of acceleration, same maximum speed….

Wrong again.
It is IN THE ABSENCE OF OTHER FORCES, for a GIVEN LOCATION (and time), the RATE OF ACCELERATION is the same.

Stop trying to add other BS to it.

This is a direct consequence of the force being proportional to mass.

A magnet pulls in small steel nails to it, making them move quickly to the magnet. But a heavy block of the same steel as in the small nails doesn’t move at all.

Prove it.
Also make sure you have the distance roughly the same.
So you can't get a tiny magnet, held 1 cm away from a paperclip and compare that to the same magnet held 1 cm away from a 1 m wide block of steel.

And remember, the video I provided of an MRI shows a different force on the object.

And regardless, the simple fact is a paperclip is attracted differently to a sheet of paper.
There is a different force.

That alone kills your pathetic BS.

A two ton block of granite has more surface area than a tiny pebble

But a lower surface area to mass ratio.
Notice the key part here? A ratio.
For wind it is surface area to mass (for a fixed shape).
For electrostatics it is charge to mass.
For gravity it is mass to mass.

If there WERE such a force within Earth, pulling down all things from air to the surface, it would pull them at all sorts of different speeds and rates of acceleration. based on their masses and other factors.

What other factors?
And what will it pull down faster, a heavier object or a lighter one?
Remember, this a force acting on MASS, pulling mass down.
So a more massive object would experience a greater force due to the greater mass.

Same as a magnet doesn’t pull all metal object of same material in to it at the same speed or same rate of acceleration

Prove it.
Again, make sure you keep the distance the same.
So you need a magnet that can pull it away from a long distance, so the difference in distance due to the different size is negligible.

Also, make sure in doing your calculations you note that magnetism is a dipolar force, not a monopolar force like gravity and explain the effected results of that.

A far better example is a mass spectrometer.
This charges particles and then accelerates them.
But you can't actually work out the mass of the particle directly. Instead, all you can work out is the mass to charge ratio.
Because all objects of the same mass to charge ratio are accelerated the same.

but this made up force, amazingly take their masses as if nothing different at all?

Because you keep setting up a strawman, rather than going based upon what actually happens with gravity.

Again, gravity is a force proportional to mass.
So if you increase the mass, you increase the force.
We see this with a greater reading on scales, and it being harder to lift more massive objects.
But because acceleration is proportional to mass, we see no change in the acceleration of the object. Just like for a mass spectrometer with particles with the same mass to charge ratio.

So yes, actual forces can and do act like this.

All you need is that ratio to be constant.

Magnetic force is easily proven and measurable and repeatable and demonstrable.

Just like gravity.

We don’t say magnetic force is only a theoretical force without any proof of it being real or true!

Nor do honest people say that about gravity.

Because it’s completely made up nonsense.

The made up nonsense here are your lies about it.

Offers no resistance to objects opposing it, in any way.

Then please film yourself lifting up a car, with no resistance felt at all.

Cannot be felt as any sort of force pulling us down from air or holding us down to the surface.

Then why do people get tired from standing up and can feel so relieved when they sit down, as if something was pushing their legs down with them having to fight it and that being taken off them?

Has the same strength at any distance from its source of origin.

That is nothing more than your pathetic lie.

Fails to be consistent in its actions at all times

Again, another pathetic lie, with you yet to demonstrate a single conflict.

Possesses a most magical feature far beyond all other actual forces, by instantly identifying each objects mass, with some unknown mysterious feature, because it then somehow magically takes each objects mass into account to then vary its strength in equal proportion to their various masses

Again, this is no more magical than magnetism "instantly identify each objects magnetic properties" or the wind "instantly identifying the objects area".

Yet it fails to hold down to the surface or pull down from air those objects which have less density than air

Just like it fails to pull down a light kid on a see-saw when a heavy kid is on the other side, because it is also pulling down that air.
Not only that, it creates a pressure gradient in that air which acts to push up all objects in it.
And this pressure gradient depends on the value of g and the density.

This proves beyond any sane doubt that it is a force proportional to mass.

Claiming that birds and insects overcome this force with their own forces

Is called being honest. So clearly beyond a lying, subhuman POS like you.

Without any resistance shown in the birds and insects to fly up from the surface

So you don't see them using their wings, or getting tired from it?
You see them staying up in the sky all the time?

If there was no force holding them down, they wouldn't need wings, and humans could fly as well.
Those wings are the struggle.

Again, all you are doing with this pathetic BS is showing everyone how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.

Just like it fails to pull down a light kid on a see-saw when a heavy kid is on the other side, because it is also pulling down that air.

Just the same as anything we put upward from the surface into the air above the surface, same as a seesaw puts two kids on each end of a board with a fulcrum point in the middle upward higher than the board on either end create the means of a force to become of it.

They have nothing to do with displacing the air pressure or whatever you babble about here!

In fact, it is you who believes in a made up force within Earth, pulling all things down to the surface, that is what your very argument first of all, that everything on Earth, must be held down on Earths surface, except there’s not any evidence that anything ever was elsewhere but on ground.

They’re making such an idiotic argument, completely against what science means and stands for, it does the very opposite, and is corruption of actual
valid science.  Everything about there lies about ball Earth are corruptions of actual and true sciences.

They use it all in the ‘name’ of being sciences, that’s why it’s fooled people about it all.

 

Seesaws are used as a force, an external force, a mechanism used as a force, they are fulcrums, like catapults or slingshots, only used as a toy or amusement, instead of as a weapon.

There’s two distinct arguments, there’s one that knows all things have always existed on the Earths surface, on ground or in waters of Earth, and that there’s always been other things that have always existed above the Earth, and that always are on Earths surface and always others above the Earth.

Being they cannot make any sort of claim that everything has always known to be on Earths surface and those others always above Earth….

They made bs claims that there have been many things that didn’t exist on Earth all the time, or always above Earth all the time!

This was another big lie they told us about being true.

These are things that we’ve always seen in the skies above Earth, long before these liars came along to exist on Earth, and we saw them at regular intervals over a long time in between seeing them again, and still see them in regular intervals of time.

And we’ve always seen that stars move very fast across the sky as well, and every star moves fast across the skies periodically and returns as before, to circle above the Earth with all the other stars as one together in unison.

Gravity is nothing more than a made up story, ignoring all the evidence, ignoring the existence of what is known to us from what is there on Earths surface and what is above the Earth, that is there natural state of existence and origin…

You’re the one without a valid or consistent argument for this made up force.

It’s called a theoretical force, not a real or actual force.

When these idiots talk about ‘gravity’ for this and that, that it exists in all things and is everywhere and does this and that too, it’s a theory of a force, not a real super duper magical force that saves your bs story to not rip apart to shreds.

They have nothing to do with displacing the air pressure or whatever you babble about here!

They most certainly do.
It demonstrates the very thing you wish to continually ignore.
In the see-saw example, in order for the light kid to go down, the heavy kid has to go up.
Likewise, in order for the helium filled balloon to go down, the air must go up.
You can even imagine the helium filled balloon and the air switching places, just like you can with the kids on a see-saw.

So given the fact that the helium balloon going down would require lifting the air up, why would gravity do that?

In fact, it is you who believes in a made up force within Earth

Nope, that would be more akin to you, believing in made up magic, rather than reality.
I'll stick to reality, which clearly has a force proportional to mass acting on objects to try to move them down.

They’re making such an idiotic argument, completely against what science means and stands for, it does the very opposite, and is corruption of actual valid science.  Everything about there lies about ball Earth are corruptions of actual and true sciences.

There you go projecting again.
But you did get one thing right, kind of. Pretty much everything about YOUR lies about the round Earth are lies, are corruptions of actual science.
Just like your argument above.

And similar to what you are doing now. Just spouting more and more lies, to avoid dealing with the issues.

There’s two distinct arguments, there’s one that knows all things have always existed on the Earths surface

You mean the one that appeals to pure BS, that it cannot justify at all, and which doesn't help at all; and which instead is used as a deflection from reality.
We have been over this countless times. Your origin BS doesn't help.

And we’ve always seen that stars move very fast across the sky as well, and every star moves fast across the skies periodically and returns as before, to circle above the Earth with all the other stars as one together in unison.

Which makes vastly more sense as Earth rotating.
Which is more likely, Earth is a rotating oblate spheroid, or all these stars are magically in sync, both in terms of their period, and the orientation of their path and the size of their path, with them flying at incredible speeds, all to produce the exact same result as expected from a rotating oblate spheroid?

Gravity is nothing more than

the best explanation for what we observe. With you yet to provide a viable alternative and instead needing to repeatedly lie about gravity and/or other forces to pretend it can't work.

Again, all the available evidence shows there is a downwards force proportional to mass.
Additional evidence in the form of the Cavendish experiment and experiments like it show that there is a force of attraction between masses.
This also explains why the value of g varies over Earth.

You have NOTHING to negate all that.
You have NOTHING to explain any of it.

Remember the simple issues you kept fleeing from?

You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying the originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

In short, you can't explain anything, so instead you just lie about gravity and the like to pretend reality can't work to pretend your delusional BS should be accepted as true.

How about you spend less time attacking reality, and try to defend your pathetic BS instead?

Moving an object on ground 5 feet to your left, throwing it through air where it drops to the ground 30 feet away from where it first was on the ground…..

It always remains on ground, or if it’s thrown into water, is still on the surface of Earth.

Where else would you expect them to be, stay up in the air?

When they have greater density than the air, after throwing them up into the less dense air, what do you expect them to do in that scenario?

Why would you think they’d float around in air when they’re far denser than air is?

You believe air would hold them up there? Yikes 

Moving an object on ground 5 feet to your left

It doesn't fall back to the right, showing origin had nothing to do with it.
Likewise breaking it away from a cliff and moving it to the left in open air still has it fall down, not back to the right, showing origin has nothing to do with it.

Where else would you expect them to be

Without a force acting on them, I expect them to not change their motion.
The fact they accelerate downwards shows beyond any sane doubt that there is a downwards force acting on them.

You believe air would hold them up there? Yikes

What is there to hold up?
Are you aware that this directly contradicts your prior lie?
That it shows that you do need to resist gravity?
Because if you didn't, there would be nothing to hold up.

You can’t be that stupid, it’s very simple to understand this..

The Earths surface, is ground and waters, this is our place of origin, where we were first created, and where we have always existed.

It is not about one exact point on the Earths surface as being where we originate from, must stay on one point on the surface, must return to that one point after moving from that one point, all of it is our PLACE OF ORIGIN. The points aren’t any different or unique from one another, the entire area is where we originate from.

The surface of Earth is not above Earth within air, which is another distinct area, and so would above the air be another distinct area, where the Sun and stars and so on originate from, were created to be within, exist within, and always will exist within that place of their origin.

These are called environments, unique and distinct areas that exist.

You can’t be that stupid

No. I'm not stupid enough to believe your complete and utter BS.
I have explained what is wrong with it countless times.
And you can do nothing except flee from it.

Again, your origin BS explains nothing.

You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

What is left to be explained about what happens when we throw up a dense object into a less dense medium?

There’s only one result of this scenario you created here, by taking an object from the surface and throwing it up into the air, throwing a denser object into a less dense medium, that’s the unnatural conditions you created here.

You’ve put up the denser object into the less dense medium, so do you expect the object to stay up within the less dense medium for some reason? What the f do you think is going ti happen from that point?

Do you believe that is shouldn’t move in any direction or the only direction it’s actually within the air to fall through it to the surface below? You’re a nut case

What is left to be explained about what happens when we throw up a dense object into a less dense medium?

Again, notice how you just cherry pick.
It is not just throwing a dense object up.

It is also throwing at an angle, including away from an inclined portion of Earth's surface, rolling an object into a hole, or breaking it away from a cliff, or breaking it away from an overhand, or boiling water and having it condense.

Yet because you know you cannot explain any of that, you need to desperately pretend things are only ever thrown straight up, because that is the only way you can even attempt to pretend they should go down.

It clearly is NOT going back the way it came. If it did, if you threw something upwards at an angle, it would travel in a straight line, slowing down and then come straight back to you.
e.g. in football games, when the kick the ball, it would just come back. But in reality, it accelerates downwards, following a roughly parabolic trajectory.

It clearly is NOT going back to the surface. If it did, if you dislodged something from near the top of a 500 m high cliff, and held it out, 1 m away from the cliff face, instead of going to the surface 1 m away, it instead goes down, travelling 500 m. Why would it choose to go those 500 m rather than the 1 m?
Likewise, if you take an inclined plane, which can be several km long (ignoring the curvature), and move an object perpendicularly away from it and release it, instead of falling back perpendicular to the surface, it goes down.

You have no explanation at all for why it should move down at all.

And even then, look at all the points I have said, which you have just entirely ignored.

Even if I do pretend you have a reason for why it should go down, you still have absolutely no basis for that rate, nor why that rate varies over Earth, nor why there is a sustained pressure gradient, nor why that pressure gradient doesn't push things up.

Again, YOU HAVE EXPLAINED NOTHING!

There’s only one result of this scenario you created here

Yes. There is only one result. In the absence of an external force, the object continues with whatever motion it has. If you place it stationary in mid air, then in the absence of an external force it remains in place.
As it accelerates downwards, it is clear evidence of a downwards force.

You’ve put up the denser object into the less dense medium, so do you expect the object to stay up within the less dense medium for some reason? What the f do you think is going ti happen from that point?

Do you believe that is shouldn’t move in any direction or the only direction it’s actually within the air to fall through it to the surface below? You’re a nut case

No, YOU are the nut case here.
Just look at how insane your question is.
Do I think it shouldn't move in any direction?
Without a force making it move in any direction, why should it move?

What you are suggesting is like saying if you place a ball on a level table, the ball should start moving around chaotically going all over the place, with no force acting on it.
That is insane.

All the evidence shows an acceleration requires a force.
So if there is no force, there is no acceleration.

So if an object is placed in mid-air, then without a force acting on it, it remains there.
In order for it to go down, it requires a force to accelerate it.

YOU are the nutcase suggesting objects should magically accelerate for no reason at all. Do you have any other examples of such an occurrence?
Of course not.

So to reiterate:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

You want to play dumb about this doesn’t change the reality and facts here.

Making up a non-existent ‘force’ was driven by their ball Earth lie, to account for why all things are on Earth, a spinning and speeding through endless space ball planet!

They understood it was utterly hopeless and could NEVER hold up to the scientific methods and standards of evidence and proof. That’s why they called it a THEORY! It still is a theory, and it always will be a theory, until the whole fairy tale comes down in shreds one day.

How could a made up force possibly hold up at all to scrutiny? It’s a complete mess, because it’s fantasy, not reality.

Comparing it to our actual genuine forces, is a complete joke.

Real forces were proven by measuring for their energy, proven by us feeling their energy acting on us, proven by us resisting their energy and or direction of energy, repeatedly studied and tested and replicated and found 100% consistent in their actions and behaviours in all situations and scenarios.

Science and truth and proof and valid evidence are not given excuses for not having them all in accepting them as genuine forces, nothing but gravity is a special case of a bs theory, known as nothing but a theory, which somehow has bloomed into a magic solvent for all problems destroying the fairy tale

You want to play dumb about this doesn’t change the reality and facts here.

The only one playing dumb here is you.
Although it remains to be seen if you are playing.

Making up a non-existent ‘force’ was driven by their ball Earth lie

Again, it isn't made up. It is supported by plentiful evidence.
It was not discovered for a round Earth. It is needed to explain why things fall.
In fact, if your pathetic, delusional BS actually worked, it would work even better on a round Earth.
Do you know why?
For a round Earth you can take your BS surface idea and average the surface to get a point at the centre of Earth which everything that "originated" on the surface would move towards.
But you can't do that for your pathetic BS.
So you have no reason at all for why an object broken off a cliff face shuold fall down, away from that cliff.

Instead, YOU are the one desperately making up pure BS to pretend your delusional fantasy is true.

And all while still being completely incapable of showing any fault at all with gravity, nor providing a viable alternative.
Truly pathetic.

That’s why they called it a THEORY!

There you go being completely unscientific, and showing you either have no idea at all what you are talking about, or you are wilfully lying to everyone.
Do you know what else is a theory?
The oxygen theory of combustion.

See science recognises the fact that we are using inductive reasoning so our understanding may be incomplete, so the best you can ever get is a theory.
You start with hypotheses. And only once these hypotheses have been thoroughly tested do they become a theory.
In order to be a theory there must be a lot of evidence supporting it.

But lying scum like you with no concern for the truth are happy to lie to everyone by pretending that means they have no idea if it is true and no evidence at all.

How could a made up force possibly hold up at all to scrutiny?

Yet gravity has withstood scrutiny.
You have been entirely incapable of showing any fault at all.
So by your reasoning it can't be made up.

Comparing it to our actual genuine forces

It works wonderfully.
Just like real forces, it is proportional to some property of objects. For gravity, that is mass.
That means a more massive object experiences a greater measurable force from gravity that a less massive one.

Likewise, being a monopole based force following an inverse square law, it gets weaker with increasing distance.

Likewise, there are mountains of evidence supporting it.

You are yet to demonstrate a single way in which it is unlike a real force.
Because you know you have no chance.
Instead you continually spout pathetic BS, and then flee from the refutation of that pathetic BS.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

I’m trying to explain to you that there are distinct environmental areas that are unique places or regions of possible origin, which also includes your endless black space, which you claim surrounds the Earth, as another option to consider among the rest of them.

Why would you even consider that everything on Earth is from ‘space’ and was pulled to Earth by a made up bs force?

Only because that’s what supports your fairy tale story, no actual logical reason for it!

Your made up force is just a joke. Forces never balance out their effects on all objects to make them act one same way to it!

When all things fall through air at the same rate, that PROVES there is no external force involved at all. Every force on and above Earth never does such stupidly ridiculous things as that! Not even in a cartoon does that happen, it’s really more than stupid

I’m trying to explain to you that there are distinct environmental areas that are unique places or regions of possible origin

i.e. you are spouting so much delusional crap, while ignoring all the problems with it.

When all things fall through air at the same rate

That proves beyond any sane doubt that there is a force proportional to mass acting on them.

Especially when this rate varies with location.
That varying with location certainly proves it must be a force, not just magic making things go down.



Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

You’re completely in denial of the reality.

Forces NEVER adjust their one strength of energy to make objects all react the very same way to them!!

Wind doesn’t budge an object of a thousand  times more surface area than other objects have, which do get blown around by that same wind!!

A magnet pulls in small nails quickly, but can’t budge a 500 ton block of the same steel as the nails are!

In both cases, the forces hit objects of greater susceptibility to them. The magnet hits an object with far more magnetic properties than the others have, but only pulls in the objects with far less magnetism. Same as the wind.

That’s because actual forces are effected by more than one feature of objects, which includes their masses and densities as huge factors.

Only your made up nonsense farce can magically make one single feature of all objects, mass, as one same thing, defeating mass of all objects like nothing at all, because then it magically varies its strength as needed for each objects mass, because it wants to pull them all down from air at the same speed! What a nice thoughtful force you have here! It doesn’t want a little object to feel so puny and pull it down instantly from anywhere above Earth ball, and let heavy objects stay up longer than them!🤣

You’re completely in denial of the reality.

Nope, that would still be you, going back to the same pathetic BS.

Forces NEVER adjust their one strength of energy to make objects all react the very same way to them!!

Again, deal with this in 2 parts.
Do forces "adjust their strength"?
If you say no, that means you are saying a magnet will attract a paperclip equally as it attracts a sheet of paper, and a sail boat will be pushed the same regardless of if its sail is up or down (or you are yet again appealing to pathetic semantic BS to wilfully lie to everyone).

So lets just assume the answer is yes.

Then the issue is what do you mean by "react the very same way".
A small pebble and a large boulder certainly do. I can trivially pick up the pebble and throw it. But I can't do that for a boulder.

What you are really complaining about is the equal acceleration.
But that just requires the mass of the object, and whatever the force is acting on, to be in a constant ratio.
Like a mass spectrometer which accelerates all particles of the same mass to charge ratio equally.

So to have everything fall at the same rate of acceleration, that just requires the force to be proportional to mass.

No problem there.

Wind doesn’t budge an object of a thousand  times more surface area than other objects have, which do get blown around by that same wind!!

And yet we can also see the exact opposite.
A small rock can remain on the ground without issue, while a massive plane gets blown around.
It is as if there are 2 factors, one which tells you the force, i.e F=k*p, where k is some constant of proportionality, which also includes the strength of the force, and p is the property of the object; and F=ma, where a is the acceleration.

i.e. a=k*p/m.

Now what happens when you put in p=m?
a=k

Again, all you are doing is showing gravity is proportional to mass.
Nothing magic there.

A magnet pulls in small nails quickly, but can’t budge a 500 ton block of the same steel as the nails are!

You keep asserting this crap, but you are yet to demonstrate it.

Only your made up nonsense farce can magically make one single feature of all objects, mass, as one same thing, defeating mass of all objects like nothing at all

You mean only your pathetic strawman.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

Forces are simply energy, emitted outward in various forms and ways, larger in paths or linear paths, natural or man made or both forms in various combinations, etc.

Natural forces are what this issue is about, what compares to them, what does not compare to any of them..

Every standard and feature and behaviour and patterns and consistency of all our actual forces, cannot be undermined or twisted or excused by their known to be and said to be merely a theoretical idea of a force involved here, and there’s not any actual force your trying to twist into a real force called ‘gravity’, it is nothing more than theoretical and not real or valid or actual or proven to even exist at all.

Gravity is a failed theory, a faked and made up cover story tnat can’t be worse than it already is.

Try and try saying that actual
forces are proportional or vary in strength to support your bs made up force, it’s still made up bs.

Winds, magnets, currents of water or electricity or solar or any other actual force that exists, in the natural world or above Earth or within Earth, is bound by the same rules and patterns and standards of being proven to exist as an actual force.

End of story, you have nothing but a shitty idea that failed miserably.

Gravity is complete bs, a lie among all their lies have been.

All built upon lies.

Trying and trying so hard to argue that forces act in proportional form, is nonsense. Objects react to a force in various proportions or ways or degrees TO the forces, that doesn’t make forces act in a proprtion or degree or vary in any way at all!

They emit energy, what happens after is what happens, the force is out and that’s it.

Forces are simply

Continually repeating the same pathetic crap wont help you.

Natural forces are what this issue is about

Like gravity.

Every standard and feature and behaviour and patterns and consistency of all our actual forces, cannot be undermined or twisted or excused

So stop trying to, because the only one trying to do that is YOU!

Gravity is a failed theory

Then why are you completely incapable of showing any fault with it?
Why do you need to resort to such pathetic lies and pathetic semantic BS?
Why are you completely incapable of offering an alternative?

It certainly seems far more likely that gravity works and shows your BS fantasy is wrong, so you desperately lash out.

Try and try saying that actual forces are proportional or vary in strength

Is called being honest.
You should try it some time.

Winds, magnets, currents of water or electricity or solar or any other actual force that exists, in the natural world or above Earth or within Earth, is bound by the same rules and patterns and standards of being proven to exist as an actual force.

Just like gravity.

Trying and trying so hard to argue that forces act in proportional form, is nonsense.

Again, if that was the case, it wouldn't matter if a sailboat had its sail up or down, the wind would impart the same force.
It wouldn't matter if you had a small sheet of paper or a paperclip, a magnet would impart the same force.
Repeatedly lying to everyone, to try to lie about gravity just shows how pathetic and desperate you are.

Real forces ARE proportional to something.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

No doubt what proves conclusively there cannot ever be any possible force that exists or could explain this, will never happen by any actual
force, never does happen by any actual forces, because it is the absolute opposite of how actual forces behave, work, and the results of their actions in the real world.

My explanation for it, is the only logical and feasible argument for it. More than that, my explanation holds up for all of it.

You say an external force within ball Earth core, neither claim having a shred of proof for it, yet this made up force inside a made up ball Earth in a made up molten hot core in the ball Earth, will then emit outward from the core of ball Earth in every direction it’s waves of energy, going through thousands of miles to the outer surface and into all the air above Earth, where it then finds all things floating around aimlessly in endless space, but will grasp onto any that are nearby Earth, and pull them all down to Earths surface, and holds them down to the surface forever afterwards.

Except if all those previous claims having no proof, are entirely skipped over at one massive leap of muck, and go onto this further argument for your magical force, the claim tnat tnis force within Earth pulls all things down from air to the Earths surface at one specific rate of speed and one same rate of acceleration, despite having widely various masses and densities, two of the most important and deciding factors that make all actual forces act or don’t act out on any given object, you believe all other forces do this, or some of our forces will do much the same thing?!?

Except that your bs force acts on mass, not like other forces do, acting on other properties of objects instead!!

But all actual forces don’t act on only one property of objects, even if there’s only one property they act on, their are other properties of objects the force cannot overcome despite it having ideal properties of the force to act on it more than others

The worst part of your argument, is that your bs force that acts solely on mass of objects, somehow can instantly detect each objects mass, even if an object is blocked out from your amazing force, unlike a magnet blocked out from a metal object by others in front of the metal object!

Your force doesn’t weaken with more distance from its source, like all other forces will do.

Forces never balance their specific amount of strength required to apply to each and every objects mass, to make them all be pulled down to the surface by a force at the one very same rate of speed and acceleration to pull them down to the surface!!!

Total garbage indeed

Forces are simply energy, emitted outward ...

If forces are energy being emitted, are they ever exhausted?  Will a kitchen magnet eventually exhaust its ability to stick to my refrigerator?

No doubt what proves conclusively there cannot ever be any possible force that exists or could explain this, will never happen by any actual
force, never does happen by any actual forces, because it is the absolute opposite of how actual forces behave, work, and the results of their actions in the real world.

There you go with the same pathetic BS.
It is the same as how actual forces behave.
You are yet to show a single way in which it isn't.

My explanation for it, is the only logical and feasible argument for it. More than that, my explanation holds up for all of it.

Then why are you completely incapable of explaining how it works, nor explaining any fault with gravity?

You say an external force within ball Earth core, neither claim having a shred of proof for it,

And another pathetic lie from you.
No, it is a force of attraction between ALL mass.
Not just the core of Earth, but every little bit of mass on Earth.

For a spherically symmetric object you are outside of, this is equivalent to placing all the mass at the centre.
And this has mountains of evidence for it which you simply reject because you hate reality.

And no, it isn't magic like you want to pretend where it magically seeks out objects and magically holds them down to the surface forever.
It is simply a force proportional to mass.

Except that your bs force acts on mass, not like other forces do, acting on other properties of objects instead!!

With that pathetic BS you may as well say wind is BS because it acts on area, not like other forces do; and the electrostatic force is BS because it acts on charge, not like other forces do; and magnetism is BS because it acts on magnetic properties, not like other forces do.'

Your objection is pathetic.
It is not rational to object to a particular force being proportional to a particular property unlike other forces being proportional to a different property.

somehow can instantly detect each objects mass

No more so than wind can instantly detect each objects area; or magnetism can instantly detect each objects magnetic properties.

Your force doesn’t weaken with more distance from its source, like all other forces will do.

Yes it does. Which is part of the reason why g is lower at the equator than at the poles.
Continually repeating this pathetic lie will not save you. It just shows how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.


The total garbage here has been from you.
Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

You have no proof at all that things fall from air at different rates, the rate is known and measured to be 9.86 m/s squared and no other rate is stated anywhere at all.

Why is this one rate stated, is because it’s been measured repeatedly, countless times, and confirmed to be that specific rate that all things fall through air and accelerate in a fall through air!

What other rates do you believe there are? Show me sources on those other rates you say there are…. Specific rates and locations for each other rate…

You have no proof at all that things fall from air at different rates, the rate is known and measured to be 9.86 m/s squared and no other rate is stated anywhere at all.

Except what has already been provided, including in this very thread.
e.g. back here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92905.msg2449567#msg2449567

You sure do love repeatedly lying to everyone don't you?

Care to stop wilfully lying to everyone, you worthless, lying, subhuman POS?

All you do with these posts is show everyone that you have no morals and don't care about the truth at all; that you are willing to repeatedly lie to their faces, all to pretend your pathetic, delusional BS is true.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

You believe that forces adjust their strength to some property or properties of each object it would soon hit, or instantly sense each object having those properties, and use proportional strength on each object having a level of that property, that’s what you really believe happens with forces?!?

Every actual force is affected by many properties of objects, not just one like your bs force can hatch up for no possible reason or convenience to make up just one property alone, which doesn’t happen in reality.

Your force would look like a comedy scene if nobody knew about it being claimed as real by nitwits.

This force will balance its level of strength to each objects mass, but the best part of it, is when that force amazingly balances all objects to be pulled down by tnis force at the one same rate, the greatest and stupidest ever known feats they had to make up to fit the reality of what causes it!

You believe that forces adjust their strength

We have been over this countless times.
Forces are proportional to some property of the object.
It doesn't matter how much semantic BS you try to hide behind.

I also notice you have yet again ignored the exposure of your wilful lies.

Going to admit there are tables showing different values of g for different locations?
Or will you ignore that fact yet again to lie about it again later?

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

It’s your unproven claim that things fall through air at different rates at some points above the Earth, so where is your proof for that claim? You’ve shown nothing at all yet, just your same bs over and over again…

It’s your unproven claim that things fall through air at different rates at some points above the Earth

No, it isn't.
You have already been provided sources showing the different rates.
e.g. back here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92905.msg2449567#msg2449567

And reports of experiments back here:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=92527.msg2423236#msg2423236

So it is YOU continually spouting the same BS again and again.
All because you know you can't defend your pathetic BS.

Now again, stop with all the pathetic BS.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

You choose to completely ignore the fact that all things existing are on the Earth or above the Earth, and always have been there, on and above Earth. 

Why don’t you understand how things on Earth, and other things above Earth, have always been on earth and above earth, and still are?

You think that all things on the Earth, and those above Earth, despite the fact that all things have always been on Earth, and above Earth…..must not have first originated on Earth!

Because if all things on Earth were always on Earth, existed on Earth, created by God to be on Earth, and others created to be above Earth, all exist on Earth and above Earth, without any others from elsewhere than on or above Earth that have come down to the earths surface in all this time, most likely all things on Earth originated on Earth.

That means there’s no need for any force within Earth to pull all things from above the Earth to its surface, having all things on Earth from the start

You choose to completely ignore the fact that all things existing are on the Earth or above the Earth, and always have been there, on and above Earth.

That's not a fact.
It is your worthless lie.
A baseless claim you cannot substantiate, which you need to wilfully ignore evidence to the contrary to pretend is true.

But more importantly, THINGS DON"T RETURN TO THEIR ORIGIN! So it is entirely irrelavent.

Again, moving something to the right does not make it fall to the left.

So yes, a force is needed.
Your pathetic lies wont change that.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!

Again, all things are on Earths surfaces, ground and waters of Earths surface, while others are above the Earth, in the air and heavens above Earth..

Countless things are on Earths surfaces, always have been and always will be on Earths surface. Nothing is on Earth from elsewhere, above the Earth, even one thing at all ever has or will be.

What else would ever compare to this evidence of all things on Earth, originating on Earth, at existence, in creation of things on Earths surface?

Confirmed by those other things above Earth, always above Earth, and always will be there!

Again

Repeating the same pathetic, refuted BS wont help you.

Again, if it was about origin, then water which has been turned into water vapour should still fall.
If it was about origin things broken from a cliff face should fall back to the cliff face, not down.

And we know not everything on Earth originated on Earth. There is plenty of evidence of meteorites, including a woman which was hit by one; which you then need to dismiss as lies.

Stop just repeating the same pathetic BS.
It doesn't work.
It never has.
It never will.

Again, with gravity as a force proportional to mass, what would you to accelerate faster, a lighter object, or a heavier one?

Again, gravity works and you cannot show any fault with it.

Again:
You have no explanation at all for why objects should move down. Again, saying they originated on the surface explains nothing. Especially not when an object moved right doesn't fall to the left, when an object pulled to the right away from a cliff face doesn't fall back to the left to the cliff face. When an object rolled over a hole, falls down the hole, even if that hole is hundreds of m deep.
You have no explanation for why they should accelerate at any particular rate, nor any explanation for why this rate varies around Earth.
You have no explanation for the pressure gradient.
You have no explanation for why this pressure gradient isn't pushing things up.

I.e. you have explained NOTHING!