Density doesnt make things go up or down, gravity does.

Actual forces don’t, can’t, will never act like that, it’s complete nonsense.

So your claim about wind is complete nonsense?
Because that was word for word equivalent.

The force is the same strength of course. The objects of various masses are all placed 3 feet from the magnet each time, on the same surface.
Only their masses are different.

This is physically impossible.
There is no way to just have the mass be the only property that changes.
If you want it to be the same material, then you need to change the volume of material, which can have a significant for such a close object, and can also cause complications for magnetic dipoles.
If you want to keep the volume the same, then you need to change the material, at which point you then have different magnetic properties.

i.e. the experiment you are appealing to is physically impossible and you are just making up results.

Again, all the evidence, and your own admissions, shows that forces act on objects dependent upon their properties.

You know this to be the case.
You fully accept it for wind and magnetism (but maybe with a bit of semantic games thrown in).
But you refuse to accept for gravity, because you know that as soon as you do, your BS fails.

But lets try your pathetic BS against magnetism.

Lets do the same hypothetical experiment but with wind.
So now we take a few objects, where all the properties are magically the same except the magnetic properties, and expose them to the same strength wind, and we see that the magnetic properties have no affect on the wind.
Does that mean a magnet should attract a paperclip the same as a piece of paper? No.
It means your experiment is garbage.

How does a 30 ton boulder react to any actual force compared to a 1 lb rock or 1 oz pebble?
They don’t react the same, if they react at all, that is.

I.e. they should react differently to gravity, with gravity pulling more on the 30 ton boulder than the 1 lb rock?

i.e. the very thing you are trying to claim doesn't happen?

The very same magnet, which emits magnetic force in waves, outward over an area, hitting all in its path, with that same energy of magnetic force, pulling in steel objects but not aluminum objects, because steel has much more magnetic properties than aluminum does, both objects are the variable to the magnetic force emitted by the magnet!

Again:
The very same planet, which emits gravitational force in waves, outward over an area, hitting all in its path, with that same energy of gravitational force, pulling in massive objects with a greater force than less massive objects, because the more massive object has more mass, both objects are the variable to the gravitational force emitted by the planet!

See how it works the same?

The objects mass is the main factor, not the amount of an object’s magnetic properties being vastly greater than other objects have within them!

If that was the case, then a light sheet of paper should be trivially pulled in by a magnet that can hold a much heavier paperclip. Yet it can't.

Again, you are spouting pure BS.

Mass of objects is always the main factor deciding what any actual force does or doesn’t do at all

Yet you object to the idea of mass being the factor for gravity?
And again, as above, that claim is pure BS.

A 500 lb block of steel doesn’t get pulled in by a huge magnet

Have you never seen a car be lifted by an electromagnet?

Do you know the biggest issue trying to lift such a large object with a magnet?
Getting the magnet close enough.

You can get a magnet very close to a paperclip, easily within a few mm of every part of it.
You can't do the same to a 500 lb block of steel.

Does a wind really act more on objects greater surface area, when their greater mass makes their larger surface areas hit by more wind mean nothing at all?

No one is suggesting it means nothing at all. Only lying scum like you would pretend that.
But here you are trying to pretend that mass is the only factor.
If this is the case, how come a massive sail boat with its sails out can be easily propelled while a much smaller sailboat with its sails retracted can't?

Both factors play a role.
You have a force, which is proportional to some property of the object, i.e. F=k*P.
You then have that force act on the mass, and in the absence of other forces accelerate the mass, holding to F=m*a.

This means a=k*P/m.

Notice that both the property and mass are important?

Do you accept this fact?
Only a complete imbecile would think otherwise, and only lying scum like you would pretend otherwise.

If you want to say it isn't a fact, then address the massive problems that come with your pathetic BS.

Just like every other post in this thread, all you have done is shown how utterly desperate, pathetic and dishonest you are.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force acting on different objects.

Actual forces don’t adjust in strength to objects masses in equal proportion to make them all react the same way as if all were the same single object!

That’s a complete joke! Bs to be trashed as garbage one fine day and forever after 

Forces don’t vary in strength to objects masses, the force acts or doesn’t act based on their masses, and varies by the objects own mass, in fact.

Different forces act in different ways depending on nature of the specific force.  Saying that all forces must act the same way simply demonstrates your ignorance of forces.  Honestly, this is getting quite tedious.

Actual forces don’t adjust in strength to objects masses in equal proportion to make them all react the same way as if all were the same single object!

That’s a complete joke! Bs to be trashed as garbage one fine day and forever after

The complete joke here is you.
Happily accepting things for wind and magnetism, yet rejecting the equivalent for gravity.
Appealing to pure BS which could never happen to pretend your BS is true, all while desperately fleeing from reality.
You truly are pathetic.

Again, stop with all the pathetic BS, and just see if you can bring yourself to admit this:
You have a force, which is proportional to some property of the object, i.e. F=k*P.
You then have that force act on the mass, and in the absence of other forces accelerate the object, holding to F=m*a.

This means a=k*P/m.

Notice that both the property and mass are important?

Do you accept this fact?
Only a complete imbecile would think otherwise, and only lying scum like you would pretend otherwise.

If you want to say it isn't a fact, then address the massive problems that come with your pathetic BS.

Just like every other post in this thread, all you have done is shown how utterly desperate, pathetic and dishonest you are.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Why can’t you understand what  forces are, how forces act, how they work, how they come into existence, out of nothing, and then are gone out of existence, and so many other features and traits of forces, and they are all proven to exist, and all are….MEASURABLE with our instruments, because they are all forms of energy, and energy is always measurable by instruments, when detected as energy, and what form of energy, and built instruments that can detect and measure this form of energy.


Your garbage force is nothing more than bad joke, which never ends.

You have the only force in the entire ‘universe’, that you actually claim exists throughout the ‘universe’, which you cannot know or claim is true, but that never stopped you before!

So horrible was their made up force, that cannot possibly ever be MEASURED as a force, by MEASURING its energy with instruments, like every other force does..

They claim that their made up force emits WAVES of some sort as it’s energy, right?

And how long ago did they discover that made up force emitted waves? If they know it emits waves, they’d have to measure the waves, or identify those waves in some way, but there’s nothing ever measured of a force, no instrument can or has or ever will measure for that farce, there is nothing ever demonstrating it could even exist at all.

Are you nuts?

Energy in ALL forms we know exist, which are vastly unique and different forms of energy, unseen and unfelt waves of energy have all been detected by instruments, before we knew what they were trying to measure for energy in some form.

When they claimed this force existed, that it was present within all things and throughout the endless universe, that it held all stars above Earth in the same positions for unknown time before humans saw them, and still see them, and always will see them.

Nothing of a force can exist and not ever be measured as energy, which it would be, and would easily be detected and identified and measured for as energy. 

That means it does not exist at all, nothing can measure a non existent force of a non existent energy. Every real force is measurable, has been measured by instruments as an energy of a force.

Do you even realize how effin ridiculous your bs force looks here? It’s a complete joke.

You can believe a force exists solely because they tell you it does. Not measured at all, not demonstrated to exist at all, not a shred of proof it even exists to start with, let alone what magical feats it does all over the world and endless space.

Why can’t you understand

I do understand. Why can't you?
Why do you need to resort to such utter BS?

Oh, I know why, because gravity destroys your delusional fantasy so you need to pretend it isn't real.

Again, stop with all the BS and deal with the facts:
You have a force, which is proportional to some property of the object, i.e. F=k*P.
You then have that force act on the mass, and in the absence of other forces accelerate the object, holding to F=m*a.

This means a=k*P/m.

Notice that both the property and mass are important?

Do you accept this fact?
Only a complete imbecile would think otherwise, and only lying scum like you would pretend otherwise.

If you want to say it isn't a fact, then address the massive problems that come with your pathetic BS.
If you want to object to this, you need to say the wind apply the same force to every object, including a sail boat with its sail up and one with it down; and you need to say a magnetic applies to same force to every object, including a non-magnetic piece of paper and a magnetic paperclip.

Just like every other post in this thread, all you have done is shown how utterly desperate, pathetic and dishonest you are.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Why can’t you understand what  forces are, how forces act, how they work, how they come into existence, out of nothing, and then are gone out of existence, and so many other features and traits of forces, and they are all proven to exist, and all are….MEASURABLE with our instruments, because they are all forms of energy, and energy is always measurable by instruments, when detected as energy, and what form of energy, and built instruments that can detect and measure this form of energy.


Your garbage force is nothing more than bad joke, which never ends.

You have the only force in the entire ‘universe’, that you actually claim exists throughout the ‘universe’, which you cannot know or claim is true, but that never stopped you before!

So horrible was their made up force, that cannot possibly ever be MEASURED as a force, by MEASURING its energy with instruments, like every other force does..

They claim that their made up force emits WAVES of some sort as it’s energy, right?

And how long ago did they discover that made up force emitted waves? If they know it emits waves, they’d have to measure the waves, or identify those waves in some way, but there’s nothing ever measured of a force, no instrument can or has or ever will measure for that farce, there is nothing ever demonstrating it could even exist at all.

Are you nuts?

Energy in ALL forms we know exist, which are vastly unique and different forms of energy, unseen and unfelt waves of energy have all been detected by instruments, before we knew what they were trying to measure for energy in some form.

When they claimed this force existed, that it was present within all things and throughout the endless universe, that it held all stars above Earth in the same positions for unknown time before humans saw them, and still see them, and always will see them.

Nothing of a force can exist and not ever be measured as energy, which it would be, and would easily be detected and identified and measured for as energy. 

That means it does not exist at all, nothing can measure a non existent force of a non existent energy. Every real force is measurable, has been measured by instruments as an energy of a force.

Do you even realize how effin ridiculous your bs force looks here? It’s a complete joke.

You can believe a force exists solely because they tell you it does. Not measured at all, not demonstrated to exist at all, not a shred of proof it even exists to start with, let alone what magical feats it does all over the world and endless space.

Force and energy are different things.

You can measure force with a force gauge.  A mechanical force gauge is just a spring with a dial, because it takes force to deflect a spring.

Weight is a force.  The force on an object in a gravitational field.  You can measure it with mechanical scales or a spring balance.  Which is basically the same thing as a force gauge.  Guess why.

This is all very basic mechanics you know.  You could easily look it up if you could be bothered, instead of just making up any old nonsense to argue.

It’s fascinating that so many flat earthers don’t. Why is that?

Quote from: turbonium2 on August 16, 2025, 11:29:46 PM

Why can’t you understand

I do understand. Why can't you?
Why do you need to resort to such utter BS?

Oh, I know why, because gravity destroys your delusional fantasy so you need to pretend it isn't real.

Again, stop with all the BS and deal with the facts:
You have a force, which is proportional to some property of the object, i.e. F=k*P.
You then have that force act on the mass, and in the absence of other forces accelerate the object, holding to F=m*a.

This means a=k*P/m.

Notice that both the property and mass are important?

Do you accept this fact?
Only a complete imbecile would think otherwise, and only lying scum like you would pretend otherwise.

If you want to say it isn't a fact, then address the massive problems that come with your pathetic BS.
If you want to object to this, you need to say the wind apply the same force to every object, including a sail boat with its sail up and one with it down; and you need to say a magnetic applies to same force to every object, including a non-magnetic piece of paper and a magnetic paperclip.

Just like every other post in this thread, all you have done is shown how utterly desperate, pathetic and dishonest you are.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Why don’t you get this yet?

Forces emit energy at one level of strength….

How much of that one level of strength emitted by a force hits or is reacted to, by anything out there, has nothing to do with the force, or its level of strength emitted outward!

Forces cannot change or vary or alter strength or focus more of its strength together in some way!

They make up this ridiculous story built for their first big story, the ball Earth story, of course.

It’s not the flat Earth side that made a big deal out of what shape Earth was, or an even bigger deal out of the one shape Earth cannot ever be!!

Do you remember when you first heard about the Earth shaped as a ball, and globes of ball Earth on teachers desks, so prominently on display for us??

Who wanted everyone on Earth, who didn’t give a s$); about the shape of Earth from outside it at a distance away from Earth itself!!

The ball Earth shall be known as the shape of a ball, from early childhood, and ever after know and hear of it, as a ball in its shape!

Just like knowing humans have two different genders or sexes, but that is much more important to know and learn about, but it isn’t taught to us as toddlers in grade 1 or 2, is it? 

Constant and early imprinting of something that is said to be truth, knowing that truth forever afterward, but more than that, is to know those who once believed that the Earth was actually flat, did not know about the reality of it being a spherical shaped Earth, at the time, like we know it is today!!

A few nuts that still think it’s flat, just another fringe group, like usual!

People think aliens exist, think aliens landed on Earth, abducted humans from Earth, put humans into alien spaceships, dissected humans, crossbred alien human babies, etc.

There’s all kinds of things that people believe are true, monsters and creatures and ghosts and demons and mythical beasts in the deepest seas, but none are cut down and insulted and constantly mocked by other people, incessantly, non stop.

Mass and density exist in all objects, in all that exists.

They are not forces, they become used to create motion as a force

Helium filled balloons rise up into air without any force acting on them from elsewhere.

Trying to make up another force called ‘buoyancy’, is no better than your first made up ‘force’ is!  No proof either one even exists at all, let alone the rest of that crap!

If we compare claims, mine works perfectly and consistently for everything that happens here.

You have so many flaws and failures that prove no force exists, prove both are made up nonsense.

Are there any actual forces that exist, which are not measured or measurable yet?

They’re all measured and measurable as forces, to be known as actual forces, that exist as forces!

How else can we ever know there IS a force that exists if we cannot measure for it, that’s not even possible to do!

Where are the measurements for gravity waves? None?

How could every actual force be measured for, but not your two forces have any sort of measurement for?

We measure for magnetic force and its specific strength. Every actual force is measured for, and proven to exist with measuring for it, and it’s strength, and nobody ever doubts or questions that they do exist as actual forces.

Quote from: JackBlack on August 17, 2025, 04:20:18 AM

Quote from: turbonium2 on August 16, 2025, 11:29:46 PM

Why can’t you understand

I do understand. Why can't you?
Why do you need to resort to such utter BS?

Oh, I know why, because gravity destroys your delusional fantasy so you need to pretend it isn't real.

Again, stop with all the BS and deal with the facts:
You have a force, which is proportional to some property of the object, i.e. F=k*P.
You then have that force act on the mass, and in the absence of other forces accelerate the object, holding to F=m*a.

This means a=k*P/m.

Notice that both the property and mass are important?

Do you accept this fact?
Only a complete imbecile would think otherwise, and only lying scum like you would pretend otherwise.

If you want to say it isn't a fact, then address the massive problems that come with your pathetic BS.
If you want to object to this, you need to say the wind apply the same force to every object, including a sail boat with its sail up and one with it down; and you need to say a magnetic applies to same force to every object, including a non-magnetic piece of paper and a magnetic paperclip.

Just like every other post in this thread, all you have done is shown how utterly desperate, pathetic and dishonest you are.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Why don’t you get this yet?

What don't you get?
Regardless of what pathetic, semantic BS games you try to play, the simple fact is forces do not magically impart the exact same force to every object.

If you have wind of a particular strength, the force it imparts onto an object varies based upon that object.
Likewise, if you have a magnet, the force it imparts onto an object varies based upon that object.
Likewise, with gravity, the force it imparts onto an object varies based upon that object.

It doesn't matter what semantic BS you try to hide behind, the simple reality is forces depend upon the object.

The sooner you accept that sooner you can appear sane.

The force doesn’t vary or change strength, the objects vary in how much of that one force hits them or impacts them, what level or amount of its strength that hits them, is the only variable here!

Each object has unique properties, each one reacts to the same single force differently, the one force doesn’t change or vary at all,

This shows how a force can’t be made up and ever hold up at sll.

They can’t fake measurements with a made up force, so they don’t even try to fake them!

Why don’t you get this yet?

Forces emit energy at one level of strength….

I don't get it because I don't know which forces you're talking about.  Please put names to those forces so that we can have an intelligent conversation for a change.

The force doesn’t vary or change strength, the objects vary in how much of that one force hits them or impacts them, what level or amount of its strength that hits them, is the only variable here!

Each object has unique properties, each one reacts to the same single force differently, the one force doesn’t change or vary at all,

Which is just a ridiculously overcomplicated way to say the force varies depending on the object.
This is a force which can be measured with things like a spring gauge.

And this applies to gravity as well.
e.g. a 1000 kg block of steel would be expected to have a different force acting on it to a 1 g steel paperclip.
As you say:
"the objects vary in how much of that one force hits them or impacts them, what level or amount of its strength that hits them, is the only variable here"

Again, stop with all the BS and deal with the facts:
You have a force, which is proportional to some property of the object, i.e. F=k*P.
You then have that force act on the mass, and in the absence of other forces accelerate the object, holding to F=m*a.

This means a=k*P/m.

Notice that both the property and mass are important?

Do you accept this fact?
Only a complete imbecile would think otherwise, and only lying scum like you would pretend otherwise.

If you want to say it isn't a fact, then address the massive problems that come with your pathetic BS.
If you want to object to this, you need to say the wind apply the same force to every object, including a sail boat with its sail up and one with it down; and you need to say a magnetic applies to same force to every object, including a non-magnetic piece of paper and a magnetic paperclip.

Just like every other post in this thread, all you have done is shown how utterly desperate, pathetic and dishonest you are.
Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

No, you’ve made up a ridiculously twisted backwards truth into what you want it to be.

The force remains the exact same entity throughout, start to finish, it only weakens over distance, but is the same force and never ever varies, or more or less strength in any way.

Why would you even think that a force does all kinds of things anyway?

They do nothing but emit energy outward, in one shot, at one moment, and everything tnat happens after that, has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FORCE AT ALL, what amount of its strength hits an object more or less than other objects, is due to the variances of each object that is getting hit with more of that force and others less of that same, one, never changing, never varying, force.

I never said they get hit with the one entire force, or the same amount of it’s entire force. 

I’m trying to explain to you again, the force itself does not and cannot ‘apply’ more or less of its force, it is, once again, each of the various objects that receive more of less of this one same force, it is the objects which apply more or less of the force to it.

You’re trying to twist this into the force which varies and applies different levels of strength, FOR each object, while the force doesn’t change at all, doesn’t apply varied levels of strength for any of the
objects it hits, the objects get hit by more of the force, it doesn’t vary in strength at all

No, you’ve made up a ridiculously twisted backwards truth into what you want it to be.

You mean you have gotten yourself into a knot, bending over backwards to try to make your pathetic BS work, needing to play so many pathetic semantic games, and still losing.

Again, none of the BS you are saying is in any way addressing the issue at hand.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Which will you pick?
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

If density and buoyancy make things go up and down, then how does Criss Angel levitate?

Quote from: turbonium2 on August 23, 2025, 10:01:42 PM

No, you’ve made up a ridiculously twisted backwards truth into what you want it to be.

You mean you have gotten yourself into a knot, bending over backwards to try to make your pathetic BS work, needing to play so many pathetic semantic games, and still losing.

Again, none of the BS you are saying is in any way addressing the issue at hand.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Which will you pick?
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

No, a different amount of that one same force, that one same force does not, cannot, will not ever differ, ever change or alter in strength or any way at all.

Only the objects hit by a force, which is one same force of one same strength, over one area or span outward, differ in reacting to the one same force.

The force doesn’t apply more or less strength to what objects it hits, the force just emits its energy outward at one strength, to all that exists beyond it.

You’re hit by more wind than I’m hit by that same wind, for example. The wind doesn’t apply more of its force to you than it applies to me, you’re being hit by more of that one force than I’m hit by that same force.

Objects get hit by more or less of the one same force, it doesn’t vary or apply more or less strength based on their size or mass or shape, it’s the same one force, applies the one same force outward at once, the end.

Magnetic force emitted outward by a magnet, is emitting one strength of magnetic force outward, everywhere in its range of energy, constantly and endlessly emitting its magnetic force, but it’s up to what objects are there to be hit by that force which varies in how they react to that one force.

No, a different amount of that one same force

Again, you are just playing semantic games.
Again, it doesn't matter what pathetic semantic BS you want to play, ultimately you end up with a force acting on the object, a force which can be measured.
And this force varies between different objects.

You can either admit that is possible and so your BS claims about gravity are pure BS, or you can reject it and show everyone how utterly dishonest/insane you are; or you can continue with this pathetic, dishonest BS where you pretend it is impossible for gravity but happens all the time for other forces.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Which will you pick?
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

No, the objects vary, not forces

No, the objects vary, not forces

The object varies, which results in a different measurable force on it.
e.g. a 1 kg object is different to a 100 kg object. So you wouldn't expect the same measurable force on it.

Again, you are just playing semantic games.
Again, it doesn't matter what pathetic semantic BS you want to play, ultimately you end up with a force acting on the object, a force which can be measured.
And this force varies between different objects.

You can either admit that is possible and so your BS claims about gravity are pure BS, or you can reject it and show everyone how utterly dishonest/insane you are; or you can continue with this pathetic, dishonest BS where you pretend it is impossible for gravity but happens all the time for other forces.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Which will you pick?
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

No, the objects vary, not forces

Newtonian forces vary depending on the mass of the object.

The Earth was created for these directions, not to float around aimlessly without any direction at all, that’s just stupid.

Why doesn’t gravity pull us into the ball Earth core? What stops it? Why no more direction down to that made up force of yours?

Why would we need a pulling down force in Earth? Because you believe everything on Earth would float around in ‘space’ or air if not pulled down to Earths surface? Or fly off the spinning ball Earth speeding through endless space without a force holding us down to the Earth ball?

The Earth wasn’t created as a ball in endless space to ever REQUIRE a force to hold us down to it.

Earth is a self-sustained environment, and has no need for things to be pulled down from air by a force.

We were created to live on the surface, our density is greater than that of air, so we fall down from air when within it.

And the reason for directionality is designed that way.

You’re creating your own world, there’s no rules or restrictions to it. Get the point yet?

I'm just saying, I feel our society is cooked when people are gonna go down the "thousands of years of research, technology, experiments, and math actually are all government conspiracies" path. Also you said that earth would be pulled into a ball if gravity existed... well guess what... it already has.

God is far more intelligent than clever liars like Newton. I wonder what happened to him on judgement day? Can’t be very good I’m sure. He betrayed God and knew he did. What a fool to do that

I am 100% sure God is having a stroke looking at this "Oh mY GOd GuYs GraViTY ISn'T REaL!!!!!!!!!!"

This shows how a force can’t be made up and ever hold up at sll.

They can’t fake measurements with a made up force, so they don’t even try to fake them!

Oh yes, it is possible to fake measurements with a made up force.

Let me make a force up, called the "boredom force", and it is reading at 0.1 out of 1 (not that bored), when in reality, it could be lower or higher.

Quote from: turbonium2 on September 10, 2025, 11:09:54 PM

No, the objects vary, not forces

The object varies, which results in a different measurable force on it.
e.g. a 1 kg object is different to a 100 kg object. So you wouldn't expect the same measurable force on it.

Again, you are just playing semantic games.
Again, it doesn't matter what pathetic semantic BS you want to play, ultimately you end up with a force acting on the object, a force which can be measured.
And this force varies between different objects.

You can either admit that is possible and so your BS claims about gravity are pure BS, or you can reject it and show everyone how utterly dishonest/insane you are; or you can continue with this pathetic, dishonest BS where you pretend it is impossible for gravity but happens all the time for other forces.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Which will you pick?
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Your two options are nonsense.

Forces emit one strength of energy outward, at any given moment, and that’s all.

Objects vary in the amount of that one level of energy emitted outward by a force, some get hit by more of that one level of energy emitted outward by the force than other objects get hit by the one same energy of a force.

The same energy from a force doesn’t change or vary at all in strength.

If you hold out your arms in a strong wind, more wind hits you than if your arms were not held out in air, so you’re the variable here, the one who varies how much of the wind energy hits you!

It isn’t the wind that applies more or less of its energy, the level of energy you are hit by that one energy varies because of you varying the amount of its energy hitting you!

The force doesn’t apply more or less of its energy at all, what level of its energy hits the objects varies by the objects varying here!

It’s not about semantics, it is two different cases, they’re not the same thing at all.

Both of our arguments first agree that a force emits energy at one strength.

But after that, they are very different arguments…

You claim after that point, the one level of energy emitted by a force will apply various levels of its one level of energy which it first emitted outward, varying it’s one level of energy and applying more or less of its one energy to the various objects, as if the force acts differently to each of the various objects!

My argument is that after the one level of energy is emitted by a force, that energy is the one level of energy throughout the whole time, and never varies at all.

The energy cannot change or vary or apply various new levels of energy afterwards, because it cannot vary it’s one level of energy or level of strength at all, energy emits outward, at one level of strength, and stays the same level afterward, the same energy weakens as one level downward, as that one energy, until that one level of energy dies out as one level of energy.

The energy is the same level from start to finish.

That one energy does NOT apply various other new levels of energy to the various objects that are in its path of energy outward, hit by that one level of energy.

Your claiming that the one level of energy is emitted outward by a force, but it then varies its one level of energy afterwards, and then applies various new and different levels of its one level of energy, and that is not true at all, it’s the same one level of energy and never changes at all.

The energy doesn’t change in level, it cannot and does not change or vary in level.

Your two options are nonsense.

The two options are a dichotomy.
There is no alternative.

If you think there is, then provide it, in a way which directly addresses what is being discussed, without all your pathetic semantic BS.

Forces emit one strength of energy outward

No, they don't. You have already had that pathetic BS called out countless times.
That would require them to be perpetual energy sources.
e.g. get a magnet and sit it on a table, and according to your complete and utter garbage, it would be pouring out energy all the time.

But that is not where the big problem with your pathetic BS is.

If you hold out your arms in a strong wind, more wind hits you than if your arms were not held out in air, so you’re the variable here, the one who varies how much of the wind energy hits you!

i.e. exactly what I said:
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

i.e. the OBJECT is the variable, which allows a different amount of force to be imparted to it.

because of you varying the amount of its energy hitting you!

i.e. by your own admission, MORE ENERGY IS HITTING YOU.
i.e. the wind is hitting you with more energy.
i.e. the wind is applying more energy to you.
Or in normal people words, the wind is applying more FORCE to you.

The same strength wind is applying more force, because of your greater area.

i.e. you are worthless, lying, subhuman POS with no morality at all, happy to repeatedly lie to everyone to pretend gravity can't work.

It’s not about semantics

It most certainly is.
You want to take a simple statement that the object in the wind experiences a greater force acting on it, even if due to that larger area, to magically mean that somehow the wind is varying.

You are playing semantic games to avoid admitting this simple fact:
Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

All so you can lie to everyone by falsely claiming that gravity should magically apply the exact same force to every object, even though there are countless examples like wind and magnetism which don't do that.

i.e. you are worthless, lying, subhuman POS with no morality at all, happy to repeatedly lie to everyone to pretend gravity can't work.

Both of our arguments first agree that a force emits energy at one strength.

No, we don't.
I have objected to that BS repeatedly.

Instead, the closest you get is us both accepting that the source has a particular strength.

We also both accept that the object can have different properties which cause it to interact with that source in a different way and get a net force on the object which is different, depending on the properties of that object.

The difference is I just accept that without any BS, while you go to whatever lengths you can to pretend that can't happen for gravity.
To do this you blatantly lie about what I say, pretending that I am claiming the source is magically changing.

i.e. you are worthless, lying, subhuman POS with no morality at all, happy to repeatedly lie to everyone to pretend gravity can't work.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Which will you pick?
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects

Your endlessly repetitive narcissistic ranting juvenile insults that reflect your own character flaws must be your therapy sessions, but move on, it’s just pathetic now