Density doesnt make things go up or down, gravity does.

Forces never apply various levels of energy, this energy cannot detect properties of any object, to ‘apply’ various levels of its energy to each object in some proportional value!

That’s what you want to believe happens first with forces, to be like your bs made up force, at least part way similar to it.

A force that doesn’t act at all like actual forces all act like!

The force cannot be measured to show it may exist, and so much more 

Your endlessly repetitive narcissistic ranting juvenile insults that reflect your own character flaws must be your therapy sessions, but move on, it’s just pathetic now

Says the one dedicating an entire post to throwing out insults without any attempt at all to justify your pathetic BS.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Stop playing semantic games and pick one.
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Once more, gravity acts like other forces, with you yet to show a single instance where it doesn't, and instead needing to repeatedly lie and play semantic to dishonestly pretend it doesn't.
And all you are succeeding in doing is showing everyone how utterly pathetic, desperate and dishonest you are.

Grow up.
Pick one of the options, and stick to it.

Either a paperclip and a sheet of paper should have the same measurable (i.e. measured with a force gauge like a spring scale) force of attraction to a magnet, or there is no reason to think a 1 kg object and a 100 kg object should have the same measurable force of attraction to Earth based on gravity.

So you are stuck admitting your entire argument against gravity is a pathetic lie, or you need to say such an obvious lie you can't avoid being exposed.

These aren’t even actual options, they’re nonsense you made up.

Where’s your gravity options?

That forces detect and balance its strength to each objects mass, to pull them down at a single same value? 

That’s the miracle of all miracles option here!

These aren’t even actual options, they’re nonsense you made up.

Why aren't they?

Where’s your gravity options?

Reality is option 2, your delusional BS is 1.

That forces detect and balance its strength to each objects mass

No, that is YOUR strawman of gravity.

Again, stop with the BS and pick one.

Again, to remain consistent you have 2 choices:
1 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply the same exact force (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to EVERY object, regardless of the properties and size and so on of that object.
2 - Forces like the wind and magnetism and gravity of a certain strength will apply different forces (i.e. the force F, used in the equation F=ma) to different object, dependent on the properties and size and so on of that object.

They are your 2 options.
Stop playing semantic games and pick one.
Stop with the pathetic double standard where you want to pretend gravity should magically not act like other forces and instead magically apply the same regardless of the object while the other forces apply a force dependent upon the object.


Again, stop with all the pathetic BS and provide a clear admission that you fully admit that forces like wind, gravity and magnetism (of the same "strength") can result in a different force (i.e. the F in the equation above) acting on different objects.

Once more, gravity acts like other forces, with you yet to show a single instance where it doesn't, and instead needing to repeatedly lie and play semantic to dishonestly pretend it doesn't.
And all you are succeeding in doing is showing everyone how utterly pathetic, desperate and dishonest you are.

Your point one is nonsense, forces like wind emit energy outward over a wide SPAN of that one same energy, why would it all hit all objects at once, unless a long train within a small canyon gets hit by the entire span of wind.

So now you can drop point one, it’s nonsensical and not relevant at all.

Now to point 2….

You’re mistaking how forces emit energy, what happens after that energy hits objects or anything in its path.

PATH, why did I just mention that word?

Because it is an important feature of all forces, they emit energy over a span of area, witdth or length or height, etc.

That path is the entire force emitted outward. Wind is the most obvious example, but they all emit energy outward over some type of span, just a fine line, or signal, to waves and currents.

They do not become different forces when hitting more or Jess of its energy on any object, of some property it has more or less of.

It hits them with more of less of its SAME energy, it does not become different energy or in different levels of strength.


A wind hits a 4 foot wide blanket stretched out, the rest of the span of wind passes by the bkanket. Same wind, same strength of energy, just over a small span of that energu.

Magnetic force pulls in objects with more magnetic properties in them than those with less, it may not pull them in at all, if too small or no magnetic properties.

The nagnet emits outward one level of energy, one strength of its magnetic waves outward all the time. It will attract in those objects with more magnetic properties, but it doesn’t mean it can or will pull them in. There are other varaiables in objects that are also in play.

The main variable is their mass, but also size and structure among other things.

In fact, every actual force uses the mass of objects into account, their size and structure, it all comes into play, most of the time at least.

Yet for the umpteenth time, your made up force has only one variable or property to account for in all objects and all things. It only needs to account for their mass. Not size or shape or structure, etc. It doesn’t need to account for those other properties or variables in things.

While all actual forces hit a tiny insect in air and it splats on your car windshield, but can’t budge a huge boulder by the road, pull in a tiny nail in a split second, but can’t budge a huge steel block despite having far more magnetic properties than the nail, and so on….

That is how forces really act out, or can’t act on objects.

Every actual force that exists must account for many properties and variables of things they hit.

And it is those variables and properties WITHIN THOSE VERY OBJECTS WHICH DETERMINES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HIT BY A FORCE.

Forces have to account for all sorts of variables and properties of objects or whatever they hit, and what happens or doesn’t happen to those objects is DUE to its variables and properties.

The actual force determines nothing, it does not change, does not become a different force, does not apply various levels of its energy to certain objects, what happens is due to the objects themselves.


So far, only your made up force has one thing to account for in objects, their mads. All actual forces have to account for many more things besides just mass.

Your made up
force really behaves like other forces doesn’t it?

Then what happens after actual forces hit objects, will widely vary. Some react more or less or not at all, it depends on the objects themselves.

Now you know why objects vary in reaction to actual forces, and always do. None react the very same, or most of them don’t, to the one, very same force, of one very same stretch over a span.

You’ve been really trying to argue about how forces are the variable, that they vary in strength to any objects, apply more or less of its energy to some property of objects, when it is the objects which RECEIVE more of its one same energy to themselves, like a wider blanket gets hit by more of the one wind force than a smaller bkanket does.

This shouldn’t be hard for you to understand, but I’m sure you won’t, or more like you’ll pretend you don’t, and just go on with your nonsense 2 points as always.


Ya

I forget to mention the last point, which is when actual forces account for many variables in objects, and after the objects react in various ways to the force, or don’t react at all. The objects react in many various ways to actual forces.


Your made up force has one property of objects to account for, mass, but here is the best and most preposterous part of your entire magical made up force….

While all actual forces hit all objects of many variables and properties, and accounts for them, only the objects react or don’t react to the forces, in various ways, due to their own variables, it is not due to the same one force. More of the force may hit it, but that is due to the objects size to RECEIVE more of this same one force

Your point one is nonsense

Glad you admit all your prior claims about gravity are pure BS.
That you have been wilfully lying to everyone again and again to pretend gravity can't work.

Now to point 2….

You’re mistaking how forces emit energy

No, I'm not.
You are playing pathetic semantic games.
All to avoid admitting the fact that all your pathetic lies about gravity are just that, pathetic lies.

PATH, why did I just mention that word?

To dishonestly pretend that area is the only factor, while magnets clearly show it isn't, because you are worthless, dishonset, pathetic, lying, subhuman POS with no morals at all who would happy to beat a baby to death with a rock if you thought it would help you pretend Earth is flat.

Magnetic force pulls in objects with more magnetic properties in them than those with less

Just like gravity "pulls in" (i.e. in honest people words, applies a greater force to) objects with more mass in them than those with less.
i.e. your objects to gravity are pure BS.

The nagnet emits outward [BS removed] one strength of its magnetic waves outward all the time. It will attract in those objects with more magnetic properties, but it doesn’t mean it can or will pull them in. There are other varaiables in objects that are also in play.

Just like gravity, but with mass.

The main variable is their mass

If the main variable is mass, why did you directly appeal to magnetic properties?
That sure sounds like the attraction is based upon the magnetic properties, with the resulting acceleration being dependent upon those properties, and the mass.

In fact, every actual force ... most of the time at least.

i.e. not all the time.

your made up force

You mean your made up fantasy?

but can’t budge a huge steel block despite having far more magnetic properties than the nail, and so on….

We have cranes which can pick up entire cars using an electromagnet, even though it can't pick up a single sheet of paper?
We have MRIs, which you were provided a video of, clearly showing a greater force on a chair than on a small metal object.

So there you go wilfully lying to everyone yet again.

Forces have to account for all sorts of variables and properties of objects or whatever they hit

This entirely depends on what kind of force it is.
If it is a simple force like electrostatics of gravity, which are based upon attraction between monopoles, then it only needs to care about the magnitude and distance.
Then how the object moves as a result depends upon loads of properties including those of the environment, and that applies to gravity as well.

You’ve been really trying to argue about how forces are the variable

No, I haven't.
I have repeatedly pointed out it is the object.
i.e. in the same strength gravitational field, a 100 kg object will experience a greater force than a 1 kg object.
Just like a paperclip experiences a greater force near a magnet than a sheet of paper does.

But because you were so desperate to pretend the object should not matter at all and that gravity should magically apply the exact same force to every object, so much so that if you cut an object in half it would magically double the force; you continually avoided this fact and continued to play pathetic semantic games all to avoid admitting the fact you have already admitted at the start of this post of yours; that all your claims about gravity magically applying the exact same force to every object is pure BS.
i.e. the fundamental basis for your argument against gravity is pure BS.

So now you deflect to other pathetic BS.

This shouldn’t be hard for you to understand

So stop lying about it.

The only one acting like a complete imbecile incapable of understanding such basic things is YOU!

Perhaps already asked.

The thread is too long. The movie will be over.

Why does a lighter-than-air balloon not keep rising until it strikes the firmament with -



?

So you’re suggesting that forces adjust strength for some reason? We’ve measured them, and they have no variance in strength, that’s absurd!

A magnet emits its one strength of force outward, hits all the same way, hits you too, but you don’t react to it, while a nail does react to it. Same force, same strength, you didn’t react to it, the nail did.

Anyone not know that but you?

When it’s a made up story, it needs a lot more things made up to support the first made up story.

Reality isn’t nearly as hard to understand, needs no excuses, nothing conflicts with the reality…..

Making up a false story is full of more made up stories, endless excuses and conflicting claims, all without a shred of actual evidence at all.

There’s all sorts of excuses used, a made up ‘superpower’ force to solve any and every problem with new powers it has, if necessary to make something up later on.

But everything made up in their first and most important lie, that Earth was a ball, is dependent on the ultimate lie, which cannot be understood as a complete lie.

That lie is known as ‘space’. They told us that the blackness above us, which is the same as it is in sunlight, but without the sunlight is black instead.

Why don’t we tell everyone that all the stars are actually massive suns and things we make up and say they exist?

Say that they’re thousands of times the size of our Sun, which we already told them was thousands of times the size of Earth??

They kept all telescopes from us, never let us see through them at anything they saw, and claimed about them.

Never said the atmosphere was a constant problem, claimed to see distinct belts on Saturn, a fixed feature on a belts edge, see it at other positions hours later on, but not see anything of it in motion, only hours later on saw it had moved position.

Said stars are so far away, and always will look like tiny points of light from Earth, no matter how much magnification we use, they’ll only look like tiny points of light through instruments of any greater magnification…..

So when they later claimed there’s a specific method to use when magnifying the stars, which they first told us were too far away from Earth to ever magnify them, to claim stars cannot be magnified at all, really means they cannot be magnified in any details of them, but we can magnify on their tiny points of light as a slightly bigger point of light and make their edges sharp and round!

Why? Because they also know that all stars are sharp edged and round in shape!  They’ve never even seen what one of the stars really look like, but they know they’re all perfectly round in shape!

Anything else you see of a star but a tiny round point of light is not correct at all.

So you’re suggesting that forces adjust strength for some reason?

No, that is your strawman.

I'm saying the same strength field results in a different force on the object.

We’ve measured them

Yes, and we can see how the same strength magnet produces a different force on a piece of paper and a paperclip.
Showing that you have been lying to everyone yet again.

Anyone not know that but you?

Again, I know that. The only one pretending to not know is YOU, where you want to pretend forces are magic and should effect everything equally, so you can pretend gravity should.
Sane people recognise a 1 kg object is different to a 100 kg object, so the measurable force on it will be different, even for the same strength.

But apparently not you.

When it’s a made up story, it needs a lot more things made up to support the first made up story.

Which is why you need to keep making shit up.

Reality isn’t nearly as hard to understand, needs no excuses, nothing conflicts with the reality

Just like gravity.

It seems the rest of your pathetic BS is just more made up excuses from you, all to deflect from the issue at hand.

Truly pathetic, but expected of you.

When does a magnet apply more force to a heavier piece of steel than to a lighter object of the same steel? Does the magnet pull them both in equally at the same speed, applying more force to the heavier one than to the lighter one and balancing its pull on them as if one same thing?

Only your made up bs force can perform that miracle of miracles!

Yes, this is the amazing force called gravity. It varies it’s strength to each objects mass, knowing each objects specific mass is still unknown to us, though it must be a remarkable mechanism to identify mass instantly before contact, and instantly vary its strength to match its mass, at one value for all objects!

When does a magnet apply more force

It applies a much greater force to a sheet of paper, than it does to a steel paperclip.
Demonstrating beyond any doubt that different objects can get a different force applied.

But you were also provided a video quite some time ago showing an MRI:

Remember that, showing how the force on the chair is much greater than the force on a smaller spanner.

Again, you are lying to everyone if you want to try claiming the force must be the same.

equally at the same speed

We can move on to that once you admit to your lies and accept the fact that the measurable force applied to the object depends upon the object; and that there is absolutely no reason to think gravity shuold apply the same measurable force to a 1 kg object as it does to a 100 kg object.

It varies it’s strength

No, that is your strawman.
As has been pointed out repeatedly.
It is the same strength field, but the resulting force on each object depends on the object.

A child can understand this, so why do you insist on acting like a complete imbecile?
Were you repeatedly smashed in the head as a child?

It is the same strength field, but the resulting force on each object depends on the object.

The resulting force? No, it is always one same force, it does not vary or change or differ in what unfolds or what results from it. 

One object gets hit by more of that one force, of one strength, being larger to get hit by a larger span of that force at one time than a smaller object does, heavier objects withstand that force, destroying others to dust, but its the same one force of same strength outward to all things in its path.


Forces emit energy, at one strength at a given moment, and what happens, happens. 

You’re still trying to claim that actual forces emit one strength of energy outward, but apply different levels of its one strength to some property of the objects, which is simply bs. They apply the one strength outward to all things at once, never varying at all, and it is the objects with each of its own properties which makes the one strength vary, or not work at all, or so forth

The resulting force?

Yes, the resulting force, as explained to you repeatedly.
The measurable force acting on the object, as measurable by a spring gauge or a load cell, etc.

i.e. the one strength "force" acts over the object, applying more or less of that same force, resulting in a different resultant force on the object.

e.g. wind hitting a larger sail acts over a greater area and so applies more of the "same force", resulting in a larger resultant force.
A magnet acting on a sheet of paper or a paperclip, acts with that "same force", but applies a different amount of it to the objects based upon their magnetic properties.

Again, the same strength force results in a different applied force on each object.

Your pathetic semantic BS and lies will not save you.

The only variable to that one strength of one force are the objects themselves. The force doesn’t vary or apply more or less strength to certain objects and not to other objects.

If you’re on a strong wind, you will vary on how much of that wind hits you, by holding out your arms or keeping them down, it’s not the wind applying less or more strength on you, it varies because of what YOU do in that wind.

Your made up force is done anyway, it instantly ‘knows’ every objects mass, because you must think it does, in order for your force to then, after identifying each objects exact mass, be then able to further instantly calculate how much of its strength to apply to each object of different masses, in exact and equal proportion as one single value.

They clearly knew how much bs is needed to make up this fairy tale crap, they also knew how stupid some people are and will eat it all up as true, having no brain to see it’s all crap

Your made up force is done anyway, it instantly ‘knows’ every objects mass, because …

Gravity “knows” the mass of each object because mass warping space-time is what causes gravity.

The only variable to that one strength of one force are the objects themselves.

Which is what I have said.

If you’re on a strong wind, you will vary on how much of that wind hits you, by holding out your arms or keeping them down, it’s not the wind applying less or more strength on you, it varies because of what YOU do in that wind.

i.e. if you're IN a strong wind, with your arms outstretched, the wind is applying a greater resultant force to you.
That is because the same strength is being applied over a larger area.
i.e. each 1 cm^2 of you is getting hit by the same force. Add all that up, and you get a larger resultant force acting on you.

Your made up force is done anyway, it instantly ‘knows’ every objects mass

No more so than the wind knows every objects area, and a magnet knows every objects magnetic properties.

Again, you are arguing pathetic, semantic BS, to try to avoid the inescapable fact that there is absolutely no reason to think a force like magnetism or wind or gravity should produce the exact same resultant force on an object.
All because your pathetic arguments against gravity rely upon that pathetic BS.

They clearly knew how much bs is needed

to defend your delusional fantasy.
Just look at how much BS you have spouted to avoid admitting the simple fact that the resultant, measurable force from a force of a given strength acting on an object, will vary depending on the object.
This happens with wind.
This happens with magnetism.
This happens with gravity.

And it kills your pathetic BS argument against gravity.

Again, the same strength force results in a different measurable force on each object, dependent upon the object.

Your pathetic semantic BS and lies will not save you.

Magnets don’t pull in objects of same material, same steel or other metal, at the very same rate of speed or acceleration, when one is heavier than the other, it doesn’t apply more strength to the heavier one than the lighter one, to pull them both in at the same speed!!

All actual forces cannot make all objects react to it, let alone all react as if they were the very same object!

This is the part of your made up force that’s so absurd, so ridiculous, it proves your force is just a pile of crap!

Among other things real forces never do, that alone proves its nonsense.

Forces don’t care or know what they hit after emitting their energy outward.

They hit a smaller object just like larger objects, it has nothing to do with how each object reacts to the force, how much of the force hits each object, is about the objects themselves as different in mass and materials, etc.

Wtf would a force apply various levels of strength differently to each different object? They don’t and can’t and never would apply different levels of strength to each object, based on what its properties are!

A magnet that can pull in a heavier nail and a lighter nail of same steel and distance away, does not pull them both in at equal speed, right?

It emits its energy outward at one level of strength to both nails at the same distance away from it, but pulls in the lighter nail much faster and quicker than the heavier nail!

The magnet doesn’t apply less if it’s strength to the lighter nail and/or more of its strength to the heavier nail, by first identifying each nails mass, which would not happen anyway, but if it ever did, it would have to be able to instantly know their masses, because it would then have to vary its strength needed to pull them in at the same rate based on their mass and strength needed to pull each one in at one same speed!!

There’s a limit to what bs you can try saying here, and you’re way beyond it!

Objects all fall through air downward at the same speed and same acceleration of speed in their fall through air, and fall at that same speed from all heights in air, which also proves is not due to any force, because forces are weaker with more distance from their sources, and the Earth is supposed to be where it’s source is, the Earth itself, the core to surface.

It is these two main flaws which either one alone prove there is no such force that exists at all. 

We certainly know very well, understand how actual forces work and behave, that they all have sources of origin, which are strongest nearer their sources of origin, and weaken with more distance from their sources of origin.

The Sun is certainly the greatest force of all, emitting energy outward to all the Earth below it!  We’ve used its energy in countless ways, life itself requires the Sun and its energy, it emits one level of energy outward at any given moment to all the Earth, as it cycles above Earth below it, and we’ve long known and measured and use its energy in countless ways!

The Sun doesn’t vary its energy to each object on Earth so they all are hit by the same amount of sunlight energy!

Wind does not vary its strength of energy to each object it hits to make them all react the same, make them all move back by 6 feet when it hits them all!

Let’s call your made up force what you actually say it is, say what it really must do…

They had to create something that could explain how everything on the spinning and speeding around through endless space Earth ball, didn’t fly off of the ball, why should we believe you it’s a spinning ball if everything stays on it all the time!!

There were many problems with their plan to tell the world that Earth was a spinning ball in endless space, and everything else they had to make up for this story, and they knew it wouldn’t work at all, there were far too many flaws that were impossible to resolve for. 

They needed to sell it as truth, that it is about science, and proven by science and mathematics and so on.,

And they eventually came up with the idea of their being discovered by our newly formed ‘science’ of astronomy, which were a select group of people who could use a telescope to view the skies at night, because only they knew how to use them, and were too fragile and complex for any others to use or see through, and couldn’t afford to purchase one anyway…

They certainly knew why everything falls through air at the same speed, being more dense than air would cause them to fall down through the air to the surface.

That’s always been understood by people who saw that long ago, and it’s been twisted by their bs stories that it’s caused by a great and powerful force within Earth pulling everything down from air to the surface!

So why would a force within Earth pull all things down from air at the same speed? Forces never do that, some don’t react at all, those that do react very differently to forces.

In fact, it’s one of the most obvious features that all forces have, is that everything reacts to them differently, or not at all react to them….

When all things within air, did not ever exist in the air, but rather had to first be taken from the surface, where they DO exist on Earth, and then put upward into air, where they do not exist at all, then they are taken from there place of origin, and put into a very different medium to their own..

It is their greater density than that of air, when put up into air, causing things put up into the less dense medium to fall back down through it.

Why helium filed balloons rise up through air being less dense than the air, confirming it is relative density causing both motions through air, and both motions through water, as well.

These things cannot work with their made up force.

Each object moves up or down in air and water based on their relative density to air and water.

Magnets don’t pull in objects of same material, same steel or other metal, at the very same rate of speed or acceleration

Again, that part comes later.
For now, deal with the measurable force on the object.
Something which is clearly seen to vary with the object.

Going to admit that yet?
Going to admit that there is no reason to expect the same measurable force on a 1 kg object as a 100 kg object?

Or will you continue with this pathetic BS?

Just look at how much you have spammed just to avoid this admission?

The magnet doesn’t apply less if it’s strength to the lighter nail and/or more of its strength to the heavier nail

Again, the video I provided shows a different force.

Wtf would a force apply various levels of strength differently to each different object?

Again, if they didn't, a paperclip and a sheet of paper would be equally attracted to a magnet.

Objects all fall through air downward at the same speed and same acceleration

Which proves beyond any sane doubt that it is a force proportional to mass.

from all heights

There you go making shit up again.

which are strongest nearer their sources of origin, and weaken with more distance from their sources of origin.

Just like gravity.

Wind does not vary its strength

But the same strength wind applies a larger force to a larger object.
This can allow a larger object to move more than a smaller object.

What do you think would happen if you kept the shape the same and the mass to surface area ratio?
It would accelerate the same.

Let’s call your made up force what you actually say it is, say what it really must do…

No, lets call YOUR made up garbage that, because that is what it is - YOUR made up garbage.

If you want to talk about gravity, describe it as what it is, a force proportional to mass.
Just like wind is proportional to area.
And stop with all your pathetic lies and semantic BS.

Why helium filed balloons rise

Because of the pressure gradient caused by gravity which then pushes objects up.
i.e. the very thing you need to repeatedly flee from and ignore because it reveals your claims to be complete and utter BS; and further demonstrates that there is a force proportional to mass.

i.e. this can't work with your pathetic, made up BS. But it works just fine with gravity.


Now care to stop with all your pathetic BS and admit that forces vary depending on the object? So there is no reason to think the same measurable force would act on a 1 kg object and a 100 kg object? To then start asking how it should vary?

Forces emit energy outward, the energy doesn’t vary or change in strength to what is hit or partly hit by that energy, what reacts or doesn’t react to that energy, only those it hits vary to its energy.

And yes, the same measurable amount of force hits all things equally in equal degrees of that force.

The span of a force is one thing, one strength, as a whole. Some objects are hit by the entire span of force, others less of that span hit them.

What about the stupidest part of your bs force?  How does that fit into your argument here?

Avoiding it isn’t going to work, time to deal with it, and we’ll have lots of laughs about it all!

doesn’t vary

Again, it doesn't matter what pathetic, semantic BS you want to argue.
The simple fact is the measurable force on an object, the force trying to accelerate the object, will vary depending on the object.

Lying about that wont help you.
It just shows how utterly pathetic you are.

If your pathetic BS was true, a magnet would attract a sheet of paper with the same force as it attracts a paperclip. Yet it clearly doesn't.

The span of a force is one thing

Yes, ONE thing, and there are plenty of others, as shown by magnets.
Or should a sheet of paper, which has a large span, have a greater attraction to a magnet than a paperclip?

Avoiding it

Is what you are doing.

So why don't you take your own advice, admit you have been lying to everyone repeatedly, and that the force acting on an object varies depending on the object, so there is no reason to think a 100 kg object would have the same force due to gravity as a 1 kg object.

Think you can do that?
Or will you continue with this pathetic BS?

Again, all it does is show how utterly pathetic and dishonest you are.

Of course the objects vary in their reactions to a force, or don’t react at all to that force…

Objects are all different, vary in reactions to forces.

Your avoiding the big stinky part..,

That’s the part you always ignore and avoid by changing the subject to crap like this.

Things fall through air at different speeds over the equator, it’s not all one speed!

There isn’t any equator, or a ball Earth, first of all.

There is an actual stated rate of free fall speed, a maximum rate of fall through air, it’s measured at that specific rate, no other rate is mentioned at all, at the equator or elsewhere, is it?

We’d have that specific rate mentioned, so what is that other rate?

Of course the objects vary in their reactions to a force
...
Your avoiding the big stinky part..,

No, that would still be you avoiding the big stinky part; the part that so clearly demonstrates that you are a worthless, lying, subhuman POS with no morals.

Again, forget about the vague idea of a "reaction".
Start by just focusing on the force that would be measured by a load cell attached to the object.

Where you want to be completely insane and act like cutting an object in half would magically double the force and cause the 2 new objects to accelerate twice as fast.

Only once you accept that the measurable force is different, you can then proceed onto asking questions of how this force varies (e.g. is it with mass) and what effect that has on falling objects.

That’s the part you always ignore and avoid by changing the subject to crap like this.

Says the one who repeatedly changes the subject, because they can't deal with the refutation of their pathetic BS.
The topic we were discussing is if two objects get the same resulting force on them from the same strength force.
That is because that is core to your claim that gravity is wrong, because you want to claim two objects with a different mass should experience the exact same force.

But because you know you have no way of defending your pathetic BS, you need to resort to deflecting to other topics, like the rate of acceleration (which as I said comes later), and buoyancy (which also comes later).
Even though your BS lies on that have all been addressed countless times.

Things fall through air at different speeds over the equator

So you mean to say this statement of yours was a blatant lie:

Objects all fall through air downward at the same speed and same acceleration of speed in their fall through air, and fall at that same speed from all heights in air

So which is it? Do you want to claim the fall at the same speed, or at a different speed?

no other rate is mentioned at all, at the equator or elsewhere, is it?

You sure do love lying to everyone don't you?
You have already been provided examples of this.

e.g. you have wikipedia:

In combination, the equatorial bulge and the effects of the surface centrifugal force due to rotation mean that sea-level gravity increases from about 9.780 m/s2 at the Equator to about 9.832 m/s2 at the poles, so an object will weigh approximately 0.5% more at the poles than at the Equator.

Look at that, giving you different values.

Further down the page, you even get a table of the value of g for a few major cities:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_of_Earth#Comparative_values_worldwide

However, as the quote above shows, strictly speaking this is not just gravity, but also the result of the apparent centrifugal force.

So care to stop lying to everyone?


Objects IN A VACUUM, AT THE SAME LOCATION, dropped together will accelerate down at the same rate, because the force acting to accelerate them downwards is proportional to mass, and their resistance to acceleration is proportional to mass.
However, this rate varies with location, with it, when restricted to locations on the surface of Earth, being greatest near the poles and lowest near the equator. It also varies with altitude.
And importantly, putting air in the way does 2 important things.
Firstly, it is a fluid that the object has to move through, meaning it will resist that motion through it (e.g. air resistance), which causes the rate of acceleration to be lower, and the object to approach a terminal velocity. This is the main reason why a feather falls so slowly.
The second, with an importance varying depending on the density of the objects, is the pressure gradient in the fluid caused by gravity which acts to push the object up, reducing its effective weight.


Now again, care to stop with all the pathetic BS, and make the first step towards understanding and honesty?
Do you accept that the measurable force acting on an object, that is the force you would measure if you hooked up a spring gauge or a load cell to the object in question, varies depending upon the object for the same strength force?
e.g. if you hooked one up to a sail boat at a dock, you would see a different force from the same strength wind with the sail up or down.
e.g. if you hooked them up to a sheet of paper and a paperclip, you would see a different force from the same strength magnet.
e.g. if you hooked them up to a 1 kg object and a 100 kg object being pulled down by Earth's gravity, you would see a different force from the same strength gravitational field.

Can you accept that yet, or will you need to continue with more pathetic, dishonset BS?

There’s no proof the rate of free fall is any different at some points on Earth, and if it was different, they’d not have a single rate of free fall, they’d have various rates of free fall listed, and where each rate would be on Earth. 

But what matters here is that your made up force supposedly pulls all things down from air to the surface at any given area of Earth at the same speed, same rate of acceleration, same maximum speed….

Claiming it’s a different rate at the ‘equator’ doesn’t help your argument at all, there’s no way an actual force does this, could ever do this, would ever do this.

Actual forces emit energy outward everywhere beyond them, from their sources of origin.

And there is one feature of all objects and things on Earth that makes them all react differently to a force, or not react at all to a force - their mass.

A magnet pulls in small steel nails to it, making them move quickly to the magnet. But a heavy block of the same steel as in the small nails doesn’t move at all.

Same as a strong wind blows around a light object but not a heavier object.

Other features of objects are also in play, make them react differently or not react at all to forces.  Surface area is a factor in a wind, of course, but so is their mass, which is the main factor in a wind.

A two ton block of granite has more surface area than a tiny pebble, but a wind can’t blow around the two ton block just because it has more surface area than a pebble. The pebble gets blown around because of its lighter mass than the block.

If there WERE such a force within Earth, pulling down all things from air to the surface, it would pull them at all sorts of different speeds and rates of acceleration. based on their masses and other factors.

Same as a magnet doesn’t pull all metal object of same material in to it at the same speed or same rate of acceleration, because of their various different masses, and cannot pull sone in at all because of their great mass.

So how could every actual force be affected by objects masses, have them react differently due to their different masses, but this made up force, amazingly take their masses as if nothing different at all?

No forces act like your bs force does, but it doesn’t even exist at all.

Actual forces do not, will not, could not ever act like this, and it’s your incredibly stupid claim of a force that CAN do all this, for absolutely no possible reason. with no possible explanation for doing all this, that makes your vs force a complete joke!

Magnetic force is the only force on Earth which senses objects with magnetic properties in them, how much of those magnetic properties each object has, based on what metal they are, or have within them as a part of them. 

Magnetic force is easily proven and measurable and repeatable and demonstrable. Like all actual forces are, and that’s why they ARE known to exist as real and actual forces.

That’s how we can prove they ARE actual forces that exist.

And that’s why they said your made up force wasn’t proven to be an actual force, only a theoretical force! Not an actual, proven to exist force at all.

We don’t say magnetic force is only a theoretical force without any proof of it being real or true!

Everything it is claimed to do, claimed to act like, is the complete opposite of all actual
forces. Because it’s completely made up nonsense.

Offers no resistance to objects opposing it, in any way. Cannot be felt as any sort of force pulling us down from air or holding us down to the surface.

Has the same strength at any distance from its source of origin.

Fails to be consistent in its actions at all times, conflicts in its actions in many ways.

Possesses a most magical feature far beyond all other actual forces, by instantly identifying each objects mass, with some unknown mysterious feature, because it then somehow magically takes each objects mass into account to then vary its strength in equal proportion to their various masses, to pull them all down from air at the exact same rate of acceleration in air and to the same speed , when pulling them all from air, at all altitudes and distances away from its source of origin within Earth!

Yet it fails to hold down to the surface or pull down from air those objects which have less density than air, and this proves it does not even exist at all.

Claiming that birds and insects overcome this force with their own forces, like winds to fly up into air against the force holding all other things to the surface! Without any resistance shown in the birds and insects to fly up from the surface, and if there were such a force holding all things down to the surface, birds and insects would struggle to even try flying up off the surface.

There’s no proof the rate of free fall is any different at some points on Earth...

Nonsense.  Free fall gravimeters are quite good at measuring the rate of free fall.
https://microglacoste.com/product/fg5-x-absolute-gravimeter/

...and if it was different, they’d not have a single rate of free fall, they’d have various rates of free fall listed, and where each rate would be on Earth. 

Do you mean something like this?