Are There Extra Lands

You mean to tell me that a spinning ball hurtling through space isn't a work of fiction ?  Lol'z

You not liking reality doesn't make it fiction.

Conversely, the angles not matching does demonstrate the flat Earth is fiction.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 10, 2024, 01:01:51 PM

You mean to tell me that a spinning ball hurtling through space isn't a work of fiction ?  Lol'z

You not liking reality doesn't make it fiction.

Okay - Prove to me that we live on a spinning ball.

Okay - Prove to me that we live on a spinning ball.

How about you deal with the topic first.

Polaris has already been raised.
The angle of elevation of Polaris is inconsistent with it being above a flat plane, but it is entirely consistent with it being above a round surface.

Do you accept that?
If so, that already shows Earth is a ball; importantly demonstrating there aren't extra lands beyond Antarctica.
If you don't accept, then explain why Polaris is not visible in the south and why it goes to an angle of elevation of 0 at the equator.

Likewise, we have the existence of the south celestial pole. Obseverable due south for observers south of the equator. It is also determinable by those north of the equator by examine star trails to the south (in timelapse photograph) and identifying the centre point, which is below ground level.

This, along with the north celestial pole, and the fact that they are always 180 degree apart, demonstrates that there is a point due north of everyone and a point due south of everyone. Again, showing Earth is a ball.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 10, 2024, 01:54:31 PM

Okay - Prove to me that we live on a spinning ball.

How about you deal with the topic first.

Polaris has already been raised.
The angle of elevation of Polaris is inconsistent with it being above a flat plane, but it is entirely consistent with it being above a round surface.

Do you accept that?
If so, that already shows Earth is a ball; importantly demonstrating there aren't extra lands beyond Antarctica.
If you don't accept, then explain why Polaris is not visible in the south and why it goes to an angle of elevation of 0 at the equator.

Likewise, we have the existence of the south celestial pole. Obseverable due south for observers south of the equator. It is also determinable by those north of the equator by examine star trails to the south (in timelapse photograph) and identifying the centre point, which is below ground level.

This, along with the north celestial pole, and the fact that they are always 180 degree apart, demonstrates that there is a point due north of everyone and a point due south of everyone. Again, showing Earth is a ball.

What a load of jargon, firstly Poloris isn't visible in the south because of our perspective.

What a load of jargon, firstly Poloris isn't visible in the south because of our perspective.

Just what words do you find to be jargon?

As for Perspective, I already dealt with that BS.
Perspective does NOT cause Polaris to magically vanish.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 08, 2024, 04:00:23 AM

I don't but this guy does.

No, they don't.
This is shown by the fact that all you can do is link the video rather than even attempting an explanation.
If that person really did have an explanation you would be able to understand it and provide it here.

The video just appeals to the standard BS FE "Law of perspective", which is just a fancy way of saying that FE has no explanation, so we will take reality, which is a round Earth and just pretend that is flat to pretend it produces the same result.

The actual law of perspective is quite simple.
For an object a height h above a theoretical straight line passing level through the observers eye (or whatever observation device is being used), located a distance of d along that theoretical line, the angle of elevation will be given by:
a=atan(h/d).

For the commonly stated 5000 km altitude of Polaris, this correctly gives an angle of elevation of 90 degrees for 90 degrees north, and 45 degrees for 45 degrees north.
But at the equator it gives 26.5 degrees. And even at 90 degrees south this is still positive at 14 degrees.

Perspective does NOT explain why Polaris is not visible below the equator.

You can even try this with a scaled down model.
Go find a hallway with a light.
Note the point on the floor directly below the light.
From an observation on the floor, find the point where it appears at an angle of elevation of 45 degrees.
See what that distance is. Now go double that distance from the light.
If these FE lies were true, the light should now have an angle of elevation of 0 degrees.
But we observe it having a positive angle of elevation.
As we move further away, now corresponding to the region south of the equator, the light is still visible with a positive angle of elevation.
It would take an infinite distance for it to drop to 0.

Here is a simple image comparing reality to what would be expected on a FE:

Directly below Polaris, they align well, being 90 degrees.
At 45 degrees north, they align well, being 45 degrees.
At the equator, there is a massive mismatch.
Reality (and by extension the RE) has it at 0 degrees, but FE demands it is 26.5 degrees.
At 45 degrees south, reality has it below 0 degrees. If you extrapolate it would be -45 degrees. But FE demands it is at 14.0 degrees.

You can also try this with a large sphere, and an object very far away and observe how that does match reality.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 11, 2024, 12:41:22 AM

What a load of jargon, firstly Poloris isn't visible in the south because of our perspective.

Just what words do you find to be jargon?

As for Perspective, I already dealt with that BS.
Perspective does NOT cause Polaris to magically vanish.

Try watching the video again & you may just understand.

Try watching the video again & you may just understand.

Try reading my post, and you might understand that the video is pure garbage.

Perspective is very well understood.
It is simple geometry.
It doesn't magically make something above you appear at an angle of elevation of 0 after a finite distance.
Nor does it magically change the angle to the object without any other signs associated with a change in distance.

What you are appealing to is dishonest FE BS, where they blatantly lie to you to pretend it can work on a FE.

What a load of jargon, firstly Poloris isn't visible in the south because of our perspective.

That is false.  It�s has been addressed and repeated repeatedly debunked.  �Perspective� can�t physically block light from a light source�.

Again�

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 08, 2024, 04:00:23 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on February 08, 2024, 03:22:09 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 08, 2024, 02:51:28 AM

And you know this because ?

 

And you have no explanation why the North Star shouldn�t be seen south of the equator. 

I don't but this guy does.

Oh.  The old stupid falsehood somehow perspective physically blocks light.



How far back until the floor blocks the light of the doorway?

Hint.  As long as the doorway is viewed from above the floor.  The floor will never block the light from the doorway.
 

Note. Added. Or.  More in line with the sky. What point will the floor as the ground will physically block the view off the ceiling acting as the sky?  Where a pair of binoculars wouldn�t bring it back into view?

Your false appeal is extensively covered and debunked in the thread below.

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0

I�ve done my own homework.  Have you?

Try watching the video again & you may just understand.

Try to understand reality and why prospective will not physically block light and radiation. 

I deleted all the spam because I got tired of searching for the links - SCG

What the hell is this ?

What the hell is this ?

Another reminder I shouldn�t waste time on this site�..

Quote from: Mebell-home_Sen on February 11, 2024, 07:41:05 AM

(I removed the spambot links from this one, too. SCG)

What the hell is this ?

Not to worry Apple. It was moved out of the way of normal postings.

Quote from: Mebell-home_Sen on February 11, 2024, 07:41:05 AM

I deleted all the spam because I got tired of searching for the links - SCG

What the hell is this ?

Occasionally spambots come and post a bunch of random nonsense with links.

Now care to address how perspective does not explain why Polaris sets?

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 11, 2024, 08:50:27 AM

Quote from: Mebell-home_Sen on February 11, 2024, 07:41:05 AM

(I removed the spambot links from this one, too. SCG)

What the hell is this ?

Not to worry Apple. It was moved out of the way of normal postings.

Thank you 

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 11, 2024, 08:50:27 AM

Quote from: Mebell-home_Sen on February 11, 2024, 07:41:05 AM

I deleted all the spam because I got tired of searching for the links - SCG

What the hell is this ?

Occasionally spambots come and post a bunch of random nonsense with links.

Now care to address how perspective does not explain why Polaris sets?

What do you mean 'Polaris sets' ?

What do you mean 'Polaris sets' ?

Travelling to the south, the angle of elevation of Polaris matches your latitude, such that at 0 degrees, the equator, it has an angle of elevation of ~0, and once you go beyond that, it is below the horizon and not visible.

We can also tell where it is by taking a time lapse of the night sky facing north and tracing out the star trails and see that they appear to a circle a point below the horizon.

Once more, perspective cannot explain this.
Perspective requires an infinite distance for the angle of elevation to drop to 0, and it is impossible for it to cause something above you to appear with a negative angle of elevation.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 11, 2024, 12:46:32 PM

What do you mean 'Polaris sets' ?

Travelling to the south, the angle of elevation of Polaris matches your latitude, such that at 0 degrees, the equator, it has an angle of elevation of ~0, and once you go beyond that, it is below the horizon and not visible.

We can also tell where it is by taking a time lapse of the night sky facing north and tracing out the star trails and see that they appear to a circle a point below the horizon.

Once more, perspective cannot explain this.
Perspective requires an infinite distance for the angle of elevation to drop to 0, and it is impossible for it to cause something above you to appear with a negative angle of elevation.

Well, I'll go with the video,when Eric says it's b/c of perspective, he explains this perfectly well.

I don't know. That guy is completely nuts and thinks Hitler is a cool guy. His books look like someone got into our library and just learned about copy paste the day prior.

I don't know. That guy is completely nuts and thinks Hitler is a cool guy. His books look like someone got into our library and just learned about copy paste the day prior.

I know he has weird outlook on some subjects but he certainly knows his stuff when it comes to flat earth.

Well, I'll go with the video,when Eric says it's b/c of perspective, he explains this perfectly well.

You mean you will reject reality and follow what your preacher says?

Simple logic demonstrates it is wrong.
Simple geometry demonstrates it is wrong.
Simple experiments demonstrate it is wrong.

But you ignore all that because you want Earth to be flat.

Yet you spout crap like this:

Quote from: JackBlack on February 10, 2024, 02:11:08 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 09, 2024, 10:19:28 PM

Your deluded.

Why?
Because they don't believe a work of fiction?

Because they don't believe in the truth which is staring them right in the face.

The truth is staring you right in the face.
Perspective CANNOT explain the observed angle of elevation of Polaris.
The RE can.

Observations of Polaris demonstrate Earth is not flat.

Yet you choose to reject this truth which is staring you right in the face and accept the words of your preacher, yet you cannot explain how this works.
You are accepting the words of a lying con man over logic, basic geometry and simple experiments you can do yourself.

You can even validate the formula for perspective yourself.

If you need it again, for an object a distance of h above a point a distance of d away, with that height and distance measured based upon a straight line passing through your eyes, is atan(h/d).
This is basic geometry:


So stop rejecting the truth that is staring you right in the face, and start accepting reality.

Or, try and explain how perspective magically causes Polaris to vanish.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 11, 2024, 02:02:29 PM

Well, I'll go with the video,when Eric says it's b/c of perspective, he explains this perfectly well.

But you ignore all that because you want Earth to be flat.

I don't want the earth to be flat, it is flat & stationary.

I don't want the earth to be flat, it is flat & stationary.

You clearly do want it to be flat, even if you wont admit it.
Because you clearly aren't following the evidence.

The evidence, which you keep ignoring, shows quite clearly that Earth is not flat.

And yet again, you ignore the vast majority of a post just to proclaim Earth is flat.
If you aren't even going to try to engage, why are you here?

Once more, can you explain the angle of elevation of Polaris, and explain what magic causes this to work on a flat Earth?
If you can't, stop claiming Earth is flat.

Once more, can you explain the angle of elevation of Polaris, and explain what magic causes this to work on a flat Earth?
If you can't, stop claiming Earth is flat.

But.  There is a YouTube video stating something to their confirmation bias with providing zero evidence?

And Flat Earthers claim they are �science�?  A bunch of BS�

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 12:43:48 AM

I don't want the earth to be flat, it is flat & stationary.

And yet again, you ignore the vast majority of a post just to proclaim Earth is flat.
If you aren't even going to try to engage, why are you here?

Why are you here ? This forum is called  'The flat earth society' Um let me guess.

Quote from: JackBlack on February 12, 2024, 02:52:18 AM

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 12, 2024, 12:43:48 AM

I don't want the earth to be flat, it is flat & stationary.

And yet again, you ignore the vast majority of a post just to proclaim Earth is flat.
If you aren't even going to try to engage, why are you here?

Why are you here ? This forum is called  'The flat earth society' Um let me guess.

Only the ones that can�t explain how �predictive� supposedly can block the light and radiation from a single light source like the sun��


Or how perspective can make the floor of this hallway block the doorway and ceiling from view�.

Quote from: Apple Scruff on February 11, 2024, 12:46:32 PM

What do you mean 'Polaris sets' ?

Travelling to the south, the angle of elevation of Polaris matches your latitude, such that at 0 degrees, the equator, it has an angle of elevation of ~0, and once you go beyond that, it is below the horizon and not visible.

We can also tell where it is by taking a time lapse of the night sky facing north and tracing out the star trails and see that they appear to a circle a point below the horizon.

Once more, perspective cannot explain this.
Perspective requires an infinite distance for the angle of elevation to drop to 0, and it is impossible for it to cause something above you to appear with a negative angle of elevation.

Even sun rise & sun set are down to perspective.

Even sun rise & sun set are down to perspective.

Prospective doesn�t explain how the sun sets relatively below the horizon so the sun becomes literally blocked by the earth�s curvature to:

One, where the sun cannot be brought back into view by a telescope that can bring stars too faint to see with the unaided eye into view.

Two, nightfall is literally the curvature of the earth casting a shadow across the earth.

Three, the radiation of the sun becomes physically blocked to the dark side of the earth. 

Even sun rise & sun set are down to perspective.

If you think �prospective� can physically block objects from view�

How can perspective make the floor of this hallway block the doorway and ceiling from view�.




And why wouldn�t a good zoom lens bring them back into view�

Oh.  Still see that doorway light? 

Hmm




Crop and zoom in a bit on the tiny picture to simulate a zoom lens.



Crop and zoom in a bit on the tiny picture to simulate a zoom lens one more time..




Sun still visibly above the earth.  Huh

Funny.  No matter how small.  The sun is always visibly above the earth?



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