Experiment ideas to prove Denpressure?

In den pressure.  Why can’t I stand on my head to exhale? Then stand up to inhale.  In den pressure you should be able to force a person to breathe by spinning them head over heels.  But that doesn’t work.  A person doesn’t breathe until some sort of pump is used to move air.

I have no clue what the hell it is you're going on about.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 03:03:09 AM

Vacuum pumps work against a close system .
 That’s why they can evacuate an AC system of air and moisture so the system can be filled with refrigerant to work and not freeze up with moisture.

You're not offering anything.
What is it you're trying to offer?

No.  I’m offering reality that vacuum pumps are used to evacuate air and moister from AC systems in preparation for adding coolant.

What Is Refrigerant Evacuation?

Refrigerant evacuation is the removal of moisture, air and non-condensable gases from a refrigeration system.[3] During this process, a vacuum pump is used to draw the sealed HVAC system into a vacuum. This removes air, nitrogen and moisture from the unit.[4]

https://www.rsi.edu/blog/hvacr/what-is-refrigerant-evacuation-and-why-is-it-important/#:~:text=Refrigerant%20evacuation%20is%20the%20removal,and%20moisture%20from%20the%20unit.

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Deep vacuum method will require you to pull vacuum down to 500 microns or less (ideally less than 200 microns to ensure no moisture at all).
Once you have reached your vacuum isolate vacuum by shutting the ball valves on your core removers and perform a rise test for 30 minutes.
It should not rise more than 100 microns. If it does break the vacuum with nitrogen, then perform evacuation again to ensure the removal off all contaminants. You may need to change oil in the vacuum pump, I recommend changing after every use!  This is why it is best to have a variety of vacuum pumps as you don't need a 230 litre per min pump on a domestic fridge.

https://www.cooltools.net.au/blogs/how-to/how-to-correctly-evacuate-a-refrigeration-or-air-conditioning-system-with-a-vacuum-pump

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

Now stop trying to avoid the question by lawyering it to death.  And stop trying to change the subject from the meat of the post.

Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball.

Explain what you mean by a pump drawing our gas.

I didn’t post “drawing out gas.”

A vacuum pump literally provides the prime mover to reduce the amount of air molecules in a closed  space that can seal out atmospheric pressure.  Reduce the number of air molecules for a given volume less than what is found at one atmosphere.

We have been over this countless times.  Use the pump to move gas molecules out of the chamber, and move them to atmosphere.  Enough air molecules can be removed until air resistance becomes negligible to the point a coin, bowling ball, feather will drop at the same rate.

Now.  Stop changing the subject.  Why in the delusion of den pressure, why does a feather fall faster in a chamber where air molecules have been evacuated out of that chamber than less what is found at one atmosphere.  This occurs before “perfect vacuum”.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 03:33:34 AM

This is what “crushed” means.

Now understand what crushing is and what displacement and resistance is and you might start to get somewhere.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

How to Make a Train Tanker Implode | MythBusters





And why was the most crush from the sides inward?  Not top down?

Weakest part of the container.

Ok.  That means the atmosphere is pushing from the sides.  Not just top down.  And by extension the higher pressure bellow the container must be pushing up.  So in the delusion of den pressure how is anything being pushed from a lower atmospheric pressure and density down into higher atmospheric pressure and density.

As pointed out by jack..

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

I think the word you were fishing for to describe block and overflow, is CRUSADERS. Honestly, it's like watching batman and robin from the old 60s series, battling iy out with the riddler or the penguin.

That's not a bad way of putting it to be fair.

They have made it a crusade in life to refute all flat earther claims such as yours. Man, those two don't let any flat earther comment slip through their fingertips. They do it, by throwing science at you, straight out of the physics textbooks. They know physical science. But, neither seem to understand or acknowledge psychology.

To a high degree you are basically spot on with that.

When I said you value alternative reality views, well, you do. Block and Overflow value the mainstream reality view of science. You value the alternative reality view if den pressure.

And again you are basically close to the bone.

Both look at real phenomena, but deviate in the explanations for such. Reality is subjective to a degree.

Reality is never subjective. The perception of what people see of reality is the subjective part and this is why we're all arguing points on almost anything.

Your reality is very different to Block's or Overflows.

Nope. My reality is exactly the same as theirs and yours.
My perception of what is told to me in terms of focusing on a storyline or lines pertaining to what's portrayed as reality is massively different and, as You say, massively subjective.

They see gravity while you see den pressure and stacking of atmosphere. Your mind is perceiving and filtering the same information differently to mainstream adherents.

Absolutely.
You see, gravity is cloaked wording for what's really going on as far as I'm concerned.
The reason for it is fairly simple. It keeps a fantasy Earth as a perceived reality in the minds of the two you mention and many more, including yourself.
Without using a fictional gravity force you cannot have a spinning globe in a supposed space vacuum with suns and planets and a whole host of other fiction stories and those stories are on the fact shelf of the many and the many are safe in the knowledge of it being factual, or their reality because...well...why not. It's mass adherence and standing in life.
It's not too far off from religious beliefs.
The masses can believe and pray and worship an invisible god and be called pillars of society and as sane as they come, in many cases.
But a person who believes in their own invisible god will be immediately cast out as nutty as a fruitcake by the very same people who mass believe in theirs.

See how it works?

As for what I am in the 3d world, away from this 2d screen, well, yes,  I could be anyrhing. I would never say what I do, to impress anybody, but purely as a matter of fact, and to offer a glimpse into the person typing the words you are reading. Do you have any idea how fucked up I am because of my job? Look at this forum I'm on for starters.

Regardless of what you say you can still be anything. You may or may not be law and I don't really care whether you are law or a fireman or a grave digger or a bin man, or even sitting in a chair typing with your toes cooked up in a straitjacket.
What you put on this forum will be responded to or it won't, by whoever decides to partake.
Many people will likely have you sat there in an office with a jail cell near you with dangling keys by your side, wearing a hat and a badge and maybe a gun in the holster.
You may give people all kinds of pictures about you.
My picture of you is a shadow, more or less. I don't have you defined but I do sometimes have others pictured based on how they type and I could be correct or so far wrong but unless I meet anyone I will never know.

Hell, I might be really shit at my job. But it is a job involving gathering physical evidence and psychology.

You may be excellent at your job or you may not have a job or you may feel like you're a detective and act it out on a forum. I don't know and I'm honestly not bothered. It's fun to imagine and it can be fun to offer a persona to those who are basically too far absorbed into bitterness as the two you mentioned seem to be on a forum but may be anything but that if you met them.

So, my job does explain somewhat why I'm such a hard nosed globe earther, just as being an astronaut or actual scientist might.

It explains nothing to me.
All I see is a person who got indoctrinated into the global mindset like most of us did when we were young and as most do, they stick by it because sticking by it ensures they don't fall into the conspiracy nut category and whatnot.

Overflow had no qualms telling everybody what his job in the 3d world is, offering a glimpse into his globe earth psychology. Block probably had too, but I forget.

All I see from those two are internet perusing and finding of answers that suit them when trying to argue their case against anyone going against their perceived and fully indoctrinated truth.

They refuse to argue from their own minds because nothing is absorbed enough to argue off the cuff.

Likewise, what you do for a job in the 3d world, might offer a massive insight into your leanings towards alternative views. You could bullshit, ofcourse. But, what would be the point?

I can be anything and anyone to a degree and it's up to whoever to decide what I am.
Many will choose to have me in a basement in a string vest stained with gravy and coke and pizza...etc.
Some will go as far as to put some Y-fronts on me because it makes them feel they have the upper hand.

The reality is it makes me smile and makes their argument weaker. But this is what it is. It's the life of forum chatter and we can partake or walk away.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 07:52:04 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 03:03:09 AM

Vacuum pumps work against a close system .
 That’s why they can evacuate an AC system of air and moisture so the system can be filled with refrigerant to work and not freeze up with moisture.

You're not offering anything.
What is it you're trying to offer?

No.  I’m offering reality that vacuum pumps are used to evacuate air and moister from AC systems in preparation for adding coolant.

Quote

What Is Refrigerant Evacuation?

Refrigerant evacuation is the removal of moisture, air and non-condensable gases from a refrigeration system.[3] During this process, a vacuum pump is used to draw the sealed HVAC system into a vacuum. This removes air, nitrogen and moisture from the unit.[4]

https://www.rsi.edu/blog/hvacr/what-is-refrigerant-evacuation-and-why-is-it-important/#:~:text=Refrigerant%20evacuation%20is%20the%20removal,and%20moisture%20from%20the%20unit.

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Quote

Deep vacuum method will require you to pull vacuum down to 500 microns or less (ideally less than 200 microns to ensure no moisture at all).
Once you have reached your vacuum isolate vacuum by shutting the ball valves on your core removers and perform a rise test for 30 minutes.
It should not rise more than 100 microns. If it does break the vacuum with nitrogen, then perform evacuation again to ensure the removal off all contaminants. You may need to change oil in the vacuum pump, I recommend changing after every use!  This is why it is best to have a variety of vacuum pumps as you don't need a 230 litre per min pump on a domestic fridge.

https://www.cooltools.net.au/blogs/how-to/how-to-correctly-evacuate-a-refrigeration-or-air-conditioning-system-with-a-vacuum-pump

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 07:52:04 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

Now stop trying to avoid the question by lawyering it to death.  And stop trying to change the subject from the meat of the post.

Why does a feather fall faster and faster in a chamber as a pump draws out an increasing amount of gas molecules below the amount found at one atmosphere until the point a feather will fall at the same rate as a coin or bowling ball.

Explain what you mean by a pump drawing our gas.

I didn’t post “drawing out gas.”

A vacuum pump literally provides the prime mover to reduce the amount of air molecules in a closed  space that can seal out atmospheric pressure.  Reduce the number of air molecules for a given volume less than what is found at one atmosphere.

We have been over this countless times.  Use the pump to move gas molecules out of the chamber, and move them to atmosphere.  Enough air molecules can be removed until air resistance becomes negligible to the point a coin, bowling ball, feather will drop at the same rate.

Now.  Stop changing the subject.  Why in the delusion of den pressure, why does a feather fall faster in a chamber where air molecules have been evacuated out of that chamber than less what is found at one atmosphere.  This occurs before “perfect vacuum”.

Put some real effort in instead of copy/paste.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 07:56:43 AM

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 03:33:34 AM

This is what “crushed” means.

Now understand what crushing is and what displacement and resistance is and you might start to get somewhere.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022

How to Make a Train Tanker Implode | MythBusters





And why was the most crush from the sides inward?  Not top down?

Weakest part of the container.

Ok.  That means the atmosphere is pushing from the sides.  Not just top down.  And by extension the higher pressure bellow the container must be pushing up.  So in the delusion of den pressure how is anything being pushed from a lower atmospheric pressure and density down into higher atmospheric pressure and density.

As pointed out by jack..

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 31, 2023, 03:14:25 AM

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

If you want to refuse to understand what I'm telling you about the dense mass displacement of an object against the atmosphere then you're not really going to get anywhere.
Let me know when you grasp this.

Put some real effort in instead of copy/paste.

Sorry den pressure is an incomplete and failed model and you have no explanation why a feather falls faster in a chamber with air molecules evacuated out to the point air resistance is negligible. 

If you want to refuse to understand what I'm telling you about the dense mass displacement of an object against the atmosphere then you're not really going to get anywhere.
Let me know when you grasp this.

No.  I think you said it best. “It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure,”

So.  Why would something fall from less pressure and density into more pressure and denser air?


And it can be seen air isn’t pushing down this ball from the way it drags and leaves wakes.  It’s being pulled down through the atmosphere into more pressure and more dense air by gravity.




I learned long ago not to use phrases like never and impossible….

Quote from: Mikey T. on May 28, 2023, 12:25:51 PM

Still waiting on a mechanism for the downwards movement.  If we could actually get that, we might be able to do some sort of experiment to test it.  Hence the reason there has been and never will ne an explanation of why down from scepti.  His entire con game would be more exposed than it already is.  But his refusals do a fairly decent job to discredit him in the meantime.  Smirk or no smirk, it doesn't matter when he can't back up any claims.

You spend too much time sticking your tongue out in between the baying crowd, so don't start pretending you want to figure anything out.

Your right, I'm not trying to figure out denpressure, I have studied your ravings quite extensively.  I have quite alot of understanding of the theory, more than you hilariously, and you pretty much made it all up.  I have said it quite clearly, my intention is to show how much of a conman you are by giving you the floor to actually explain and capitalizing on you publicly avoiding even trying to honestly back up your claims.  You keep squirming, it does more than anything I can do or say to show how dishonest you are.

The reality is it makes me smile and makes their argument weaker. But this is what it is. It's the life of forum chatter and we can partake or walk away.

Funny.   Den pressure is an incomplete and failed model.

Again.  Please quote and link to where you shown how den pressure can model how long it takes a simple ball to drop 20 feet to sea level with the accuracy of using gravity in physics 101.


Den pressure is useless and if adopted in my industry would get people killed.

It’s not your questioning that is flustering.  It’s you pride and self authority over your delusion that can’t even model items easily modeled with accuracy in entry level physics and chemistry. 

You are a serious troll or seriously delusional.

 They do it, by throwing science at you, straight out of the physics textbooks. They know physical science. But, neither seem to understand or acknowledge psychology.

I get what you’re saying, but I value science I can use.  Like understanding what flow rate a liquid sulfur pump pumps, and how to use the density of liquid sulfur to calculate a tanker load.  And not cause an injury.  And not cause a liquid sulfur spill. 

Or how a vacuum lowers boiling point for evaporating a liquid. 

And I understand a little bit about psychology.

sceptimatic is just a simple troll.  Or is a con that is trying to recapture the brief heyday of flat earth, and is now trying to come to terms that flat earth was just another passing fade like pet rocks, Jean jackets, Uggs, pegging pants legs, and north face jackets.


sceptimatic is now in the ranks of the hardcore FE’rs that proclaim things like people get pushed out of flights south of the hemisphere and NASA is assassinating people associated with this site. If they like it or not. 

If they believe it or not, they get attention either way. 


One of my favorite songs..

Wish You Were Here
/
Lyrics


Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk-on part in the war
For a leading role in a cage?

https://genius.com/Pink-floyd-wish-you-were-here-lyrics

This is what the “stars” / talking heads of flat earth is to me, “Did you exchange
A walk-on part in the war
For a leading role in a cage?”

For both sides.  For all that post. Is it really about that 15 minutes of fame….

Thought about this subject some more.  Isn’t it funny sceptimatic debates things like what rate objects fall at.  It would be quite simple to make it a black and white subject if one wanted to correlate drop rates with density.  Drop a steel ball and measure the time with video. Drop an aluminum ball, and measure the time with video.  Do the same with a lead ball.  And so on. 


But here we are.  sceptimatic would rather post the subject to death like a corrupt politician than actually experience real life and science through an actual experiment by an actual documentary approach. 

I think that is very telling and hints at real motives. 

Quote from: JackBlack on June 01, 2023, 02:46:41 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 01, 2023, 09:26:28 AM

Quote from: JackBlack on June 01, 2023, 05:02:45 AM

You still aren't responding. Why?

Responding to what?

The fact that you have effectively admitted your model is garbge.

This is why you get nowhere to be fair.

Because I honestly examine your claims and think about it and realise you have no change for your model to work; so I don't "get anywhere" towards making your model work?

Again, you have stated the low pressure CANNOT overcome the higher pressure.
That means the air CANNOT push an object down, as that would require the lower pressure overcoming the higher pressure.

So with that admission of yours, your model is DOA, as you cannot have the air push things down. You need another force.

Ever tried to crush a wet bar of soap in the bath?

Yes. If held properly, like the atmosphere would, it just gets compressed.
If held improperly, then it can fly out in any direction depending on its geometry.

Notice how that is nothing like your fantasy where it magically gets crushed down?

So simply apply that thought to objects in the atmosphere

Where the atmosphere tries to crush it in, and doesn't push it in any direction?

Have a good think on it. If you do, you will realise your claims are garbage.

I answer most of what's put

No you don't. You flee from the questions at all costs because you can't answer it.
For example, you never answer why the atmosphere stacks. Instead you basically just say it is stacked.

No such thing as a vacuum

Repeating the same lie wont help you.

In a way, yes but also an insight into why people choose to follow certain traits, so it covers everything to be fair.

And you find plenty that use evidence and think, and reject your fantasy.
You are looking for those that are desperate to reject reality and are looking for excuses. They might drink your coolaid.

Not at all. I respect anyone who is respectful.

No you don't. As you see people not accepting your BS and explaining why it is wrong as disrespectful.
You see people accepting the globe and defending it as being disrespectful.
While you treat those who do accept the globe with complete disrespect, acting like they are indoctrinated morons.

Perhaps when you start treating people, and the RE model in general, with respect, they may be more inclined to show you respect.

You get one reality and it comes down to best guesses as to what appears to be closer to it

And you reject that and instead cling to nonsense which clearly isn't reality and isn't even close. The question is why?

The reason for it is fairly simple. It keeps a fantasy Earth as a perceived reality in the minds of the two you mention and many more, including yourself.

And as already explained, this is pure BS.
Your delusional fantasy works just as well (or better) on a RE.
That means if your delusional BS actually worked, there would be no need for gravity, and we would just use your BS on a spinning RE orbiting the sun.

It's not too far off from religious beliefs.

It is massively off, due to the evidence for it, and the explanatory power.
What you are presenting is not too far off from religious beliefs, as it has no evidence supporting it, it is refuted by reality, and it has no explanatory power.

All I see is a person who got indoctrinated

Because you need to pretend that the only way someone would believe in the globe is if they were indoctrinated into it.
You couldn't admit that they might believe based upon evidence, as you need to pretend there is no evidence for it.

They refuse to argue from their own minds because nothing is absorbed enough to argue off the cuff.

I repeatedly argue from my own mind, including clearly explaining why your garbage is wrong.

The reality is it makes me smile and makes their argument weaker.

Your repeated dismissal of arguments don't make them weaker. It just shows how pathetic your position is.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 08:35:18 AM

If you want to refuse to understand what I'm telling you about the dense mass displacement of an object against the atmosphere then you're not really going to get anywhere.
Let me know when you grasp this.

No.  I think you said it best. “It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure,”

So.  Why would something fall from less pressure and density into more pressure and denser air?

When you understand something falling is a dense mass displacement of pressured atmosphere then get back to me.
All this time and you are still at square one.

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 31, 2023, 12:44:14 AM

Quote from: Mikey T. on May 28, 2023, 12:25:51 PM

Still waiting on a mechanism for the downwards movement.  If we could actually get that, we might be able to do some sort of experiment to test it.  Hence the reason there has been and never will ne an explanation of why down from scepti.  His entire con game would be more exposed than it already is.  But his refusals do a fairly decent job to discredit him in the meantime.  Smirk or no smirk, it doesn't matter when he can't back up any claims.

You spend too much time sticking your tongue out in between the baying crowd, so don't start pretending you want to figure anything out.

Your right, I'm not trying to figure out denpressure, I have studied your ravings quite extensively.  I have quite alot of understanding of the theory, more than you hilariously, and you pretty much made it all up.  I have said it quite clearly, my intention is to show how much of a conman you are by giving you the floor to actually explain and capitalizing on you publicly avoiding even trying to honestly back up your claims.  You keep squirming, it does more than anything I can do or say to show how dishonest you are.

I see words and desperation.

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 08:31:25 AM

The reality is it makes me smile and makes their argument weaker. But this is what it is. It's the life of forum chatter and we can partake or walk away.

Funny.   Den pressure is an incomplete and failed model.

Again.  Please quote and link to where you shown how den pressure can model how long it takes a simple ball to drop 20 feet to sea level with the accuracy of using gravity in physics 101.


Den pressure is useless and if adopted in my industry would get people killed.

It’s not your questioning that is flustering.  It’s you pride and self authority over your delusion that can’t even model items easily modeled with accuracy in entry level physics and chemistry. 

You are a serious troll or seriously delusional.

You are getting increasingly desperate.

Because I honestly examine your claims and think about it and realise you have no change for your model to work; so I don't "get anywhere" towards making your model work?

You'll never ever make my model work when your mind is firmly attached to global ideals and I'm absolutely not interested in whether you can't or won't get it.

The people that interest me are those that actually do the jigsaw for themselves. They don't even have to acknowledge they are doing it. I believe there are some that are trying to piece it all together.
You're just here as a barrier to it and anything that goes against the global grain. I get that and I'm more than happy for you to do whatever you do because it does not have any negative impact on what I offer, it only has positive because it allows me to offer a little bit more at a time for those with a mind to see.

Again, you have stated the low pressure CANNOT overcome the higher pressure.
That means the air CANNOT push an object down, as that would require the lower pressure overcoming the higher pressure.

That's because you fail to pay attention.
Get back to me when you understand displacement.

So with that admission of yours, your model is DOA, as you cannot have the air push things down. You need another force.

There's no admission other than what you decide to make up out of desperation. I stand by everything I say and whether you want to twist it or offer up something else then you carry on but you waste your own time.

Sceptimatic, the dynamic duo of Blockman and Floggin, prove that bombarding a flat Earther such as yourself, with scientific facts, does not have any effect of changing your mind in the slightest. If anything, I think it makes you more resolute that the conspiracy machine is working hard against the little guy, and the little guy must be on the right track.

For that reason, I flat refuse to scientifically dismember your theories.

From a mental health standpoint, I think Block and Flog are way more unhinged than you are. Look how emotionally invested they each are, like their own lives, or the fate of the entire world depends on them defeating you in a debate. They are an embarrassment to caped crusaders everywhere, where wearing undies over your pants is normal. (I think they both wear their undies on their heads at times. Block definitely goes for the unwashed frilly female variety. You can tell just tell.  )

Do you mind, Sceptimatic, listing all the conspiracy theories you believe, aside from the Earth being flat?

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on June 02, 2023, 09:02:00 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 02, 2023, 08:35:18 AM

If you want to refuse to understand what I'm telling you about the dense mass displacement of an object against the atmosphere then you're not really going to get anywhere.
Let me know when you grasp this.

No.  I think you said it best. “It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure,”

So.  Why would something fall from less pressure and density into more pressure and denser air?

When you understand something falling is a dense mass displacement of pressured atmosphere then get back to me.
All this time and you are still at square one.

That doesn’t answer the question.


Why as you evacuate more and more air molecules out of a chamber with a pump a feather will fall faster and faster.  When enough air molecules are evacuated, air resistance becomes negligible to the point a feather, bowling ball, and a coin will fall at the same rate. 

Sceptimatic, the dynamic duo of Blockman and Floggin, prove that bombarding a flat Earther such as yourself, with scientific facts, does not have any effect of changing your mind in the slightest. If anything, I think it makes you more resolute that the conspiracy machine is working hard against the little guy, and the little guy must be on the right track.

For that reason, I flat refuse to scientifically dismember your theories.

From a mental health standpoint, I think Block and Flog are way more unhinged than you are. Look how emotionally invested they each are, like their own lives, or the fate of the entire world depends on them defeating you in a debate. They are an embarrassment to caped crusaders everywhere, where wearing undies over your pants is normal. (I think they both wear their undies on their heads at times. Block definitely goes for the unwashed frilly female variety. You can tell just tell.  )

Do you mind, Sceptimatic, listing all the conspiracy theories you believe, aside from the Earth being flat?

Really?  Because this is the response of a rational person in the face of demonstrable reality and pointing out den pressure can’t match the accuracy of using gravity as a model in physics 101?  In a debate forum?

You are getting increasingly desperate.

And after you admitted you like playing good cop bad cop, how are you to be taken seriously.  At work we would say you like to stir the pot.  You’re a shit stirrer. 


Seems everyone has a role to play. 


And yes.  I am very invested in safety in the context of proven science and process safety based on known fundamentals of physics and chemistry protects against injury, death, damage to the environment.  My life and the life of my coworkers depends on it.   It can be quite simple as understanding if you wing open a valve and pressure up a section of pipe too fast you can invoke the diesel effect and cause the contents of the pipe to ignite and explode.

Quote from: Smoke Machine on June 03, 2023, 02:29:01 AM

Sceptimatic, the dynamic duo of Blockman and Floggin, prove that bombarding a flat Earther such as yourself, with scientific facts, does not have any effect of changing your mind in the slightest. If anything, I think it makes you more resolute that the conspiracy machine is working hard against the little guy, and the little guy must be on the right track.

For that reason, I flat refuse to scientifically dismember your theories.

From a mental health standpoint, I think Block and Flog are way more unhinged than you are. Look how emotionally invested they each are, like their own lives, or the fate of the entire world depends on them defeating you in a debate. They are an embarrassment to caped crusaders everywhere, where wearing undies over your pants is normal. (I think they both wear their undies on their heads at times. Block definitely goes for the unwashed frilly female variety. You can tell just tell.  )

Do you mind, Sceptimatic, listing all the conspiracy theories you believe, aside from the Earth being flat?

Really?  Because this is the response of a rational person in the face of demonstrable reality and pointing out den pressure can’t match the accuracy of using gravity as a model in physics 101?  In a debate forum?

Quote from: sceptimatic on June 03, 2023, 01:16:32 AM

You are getting increasingly desperate.

And after you admitted you like playing good cop bad cop, how are you to be taken seriously.  At work we would say you like to stir the pot.  You’re a shit stirrer. 


Seems everyone has a role to play. 


And yes.  I am very invested in safety in the context of proven science and process safety based on known fundamentals of physics and chemistry protects against injury, death, damage to the environment.  My life and the life of my coworkers depends on it.   It can be quite simple as understanding if you wing open a valve and pressure up a section of pipe too fast you can invoke the diesel effect and cause the contents of the pipe to ignite and explode.

Do you know something about Sceptimatic, that I don't? Is he one of your coworkers, or is building a homemade rocket to strap himself to, to prove the Earth is flat? If not, please tell us how Sceptimatic is a danger to you or anybody else?

This may be a debate forum, but your endgame is to change Sceptimatic's mind, and it's been futile. Yet, you return, return, return, and return, to bombard him, with zero traction. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. - Albert Einstein

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Still waiting on a mechanism for the downwards movement.  If we could actually get that, we might be able to do some sort of experiment to test it.  Hence the reason there has been and never will ne an explanation of why down from scepti.  His entire con game would be more exposed than it already is.  But his refusals do a fairly decent job to discredit him in the meantime.  Smirk or no smirk, it doesn't matter when he can't back up any claims.

You spend too much time sticking your tongue out in between the baying crowd, so don't start pretending you want to figure anything out.

Your right, I'm not trying to figure out denpressure, I have studied your ravings quite extensively.  I have quite alot of understanding of the theory, more than you hilariously, and you pretty much made it all up.  I have said it quite clearly, my intention is to show how much of a conman you are by giving you the floor to actually explain and capitalizing on you publicly avoiding even trying to honestly back up your claims.  You keep squirming, it does more than anything I can do or say to show how dishonest you are.

I see words and desperation.

Keep squirming.  The longer you play this silly game the better.  More spotlight for you really.  Someone questioning things will see this and realize that the lies of known con artists may not be where they will find answers.  And all you had to do to spoil my fun was to actually explain something rather than crying about being asked.  But keep on squirming, your doing great.

Sceptimatic, the dynamic duo of Blockman and Floggin, prove that bombarding a flat Earther such as yourself, with scientific facts, does not have any effect of changing your mind in the slightest.

You mean bombarding me with supposed scientific perceived facts in their minds.

If anything, I think it makes you more resolute that the conspiracy machine is working hard against the little guy, and the little guy must be on the right track.

It certainly makes me more steadfast, yes. When you are hit on by a number of people it takes more effort to reply to those numbers, where their efforts are singular and amassed between them to become a tide of effort that gets ebbed by the responses of one person.

For that reason, I flat refuse to scientifically dismember your theories.

I don't think you can but you're welcome to try.

Do you mind, Sceptimatic, listing all the conspiracy theories you believe, aside from the Earth being flat?

You can put up a topic in angry ranting and ask there if you want to know.


It saves people from getting all irate and it allows the nasties to offer up expletives till their hearts are content if that can happen.

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If you want to refuse to understand what I'm telling you about the dense mass displacement of an object against the atmosphere then you're not really going to get anywhere.
Let me know when you grasp this.

No.  I think you said it best. “It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure,”

So.  Why would something fall from less pressure and density into more pressure and denser air?

When you understand something falling is a dense mass displacement of pressured atmosphere then get back to me.
All this time and you are still at square one.

That doesn’t answer the question.


Why as you evacuate more and more air molecules out of a chamber with a pump a feather will fall faster and faster.  When enough air molecules are evacuated, air resistance becomes negligible to the point a feather, bowling ball, and a coin will fall at the same rate.

I've answered but you did not pay attention and this is why you're still asking.
Learn to pay attention by ridding yourself of hatred that is clearly scuppering your ability to take in alternates to the fictional stories offered to you as reality.

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You are getting increasingly desperate.

And after you admitted you like playing good cop bad cop, how are you to be taken seriously.  At work we would say you like to stir the pot.  You’re a shit stirrer. 

As I said earlier, you would be better off paying attention and you wouldn't be offering up this stuff unless you're doing it deliberately. In which case carry on.

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Still waiting on a mechanism for the downwards movement.  If we could actually get that, we might be able to do some sort of experiment to test it.  Hence the reason there has been and never will ne an explanation of why down from scepti.  His entire con game would be more exposed than it already is.  But his refusals do a fairly decent job to discredit him in the meantime.  Smirk or no smirk, it doesn't matter when he can't back up any claims.

You spend too much time sticking your tongue out in between the baying crowd, so don't start pretending you want to figure anything out.

Your right, I'm not trying to figure out denpressure, I have studied your ravings quite extensively.  I have quite alot of understanding of the theory, more than you hilariously, and you pretty much made it all up.  I have said it quite clearly, my intention is to show how much of a conman you are by giving you the floor to actually explain and capitalizing on you publicly avoiding even trying to honestly back up your claims.  You keep squirming, it does more than anything I can do or say to show how dishonest you are.

I see words and desperation.

Keep squirming.  The longer you play this silly game the better.  More spotlight for you really.  Someone questioning things will see this and realize that the lies of known con artists may not be where they will find answers.  And all you had to do to spoil my fun was to actually explain something rather than crying about being asked.  But keep on squirming, your doing great.

You know I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you're welcome to offer anything you think makes you feel better and I'm more than happy to watch you do it.
Carry on at your convenience. 

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Quote from: Mikey T. on May 28, 2023, 12:25:51 PM

Still waiting on a mechanism for the downwards movement.  If we could actually get that, we might be able to do some sort of experiment to test it.  Hence the reason there has been and never will ne an explanation of why down from scepti.  His entire con game would be more exposed than it already is.  But his refusals do a fairly decent job to discredit him in the meantime.  Smirk or no smirk, it doesn't matter when he can't back up any claims.

You spend too much time sticking your tongue out in between the baying crowd, so don't start pretending you want to figure anything out.

Your right, I'm not trying to figure out denpressure, I have studied your ravings quite extensively.  I have quite alot of understanding of the theory, more than you hilariously, and you pretty much made it all up.  I have said it quite clearly, my intention is to show how much of a conman you are by giving you the floor to actually explain and capitalizing on you publicly avoiding even trying to honestly back up your claims.  You keep squirming, it does more than anything I can do or say to show how dishonest you are.

I see words and desperation.

Keep squirming.  The longer you play this silly game the better.  More spotlight for you really.  Someone questioning things will see this and realize that the lies of known con artists may not be where they will find answers.  And all you had to do to spoil my fun was to actually explain something rather than crying about being asked.  But keep on squirming, your doing great.

You know I'll keep doing what I'm doing and you're welcome to offer anything you think makes you feel better and I'm more than happy to watch you do it.
Carry on at your convenience. 

It's not about me feeling good or bad, it's about you showing your level of honesty.  But you are seriously doing perfect.  Keep discrediting yourself.  You are becoming a great example to point to when others ask why we say FE is a scam. 

I've answered but you did not pay attention and this is why you're still asking.

Really.  You answers the question?  Wouldn’t be the first time you lied.

Again.

Why as you evacuate more and more air molecules out of a chamber with a pump a feather will fall faster and faster.  When enough air molecules are evacuated, air resistance becomes negligible to the point a feather, bowling ball, and a coin will fall at the same rate.


Either answer the question or cite, link, and quote where you answered the question.

I think in your mind you assumed you answered in your pages of worthless word salad.  And you honestly don’t know, or you can’t remember when.


In reality, you have no explanation why a feather falls faster in the den pressure delusion when pressure is less than atmospheric pressure, and in den pressure that means less force to “crush” down so in den pressure the feather should fall slower when air molecules are evacuated from a chamber to less than what is found at one atmosphere.


I think you’re pissed because I got around the distraction you tried to create around “vacuum”.


And in your delusion of den pressure, how can an AC technician draw out / evacuate enough air and water molecules in an air conditioning unit to fill it with refrigerant and prevent icing when restored and put in operation?  So the system isn’t prevented from working by air molecules that are not effective refrigerant.


And you never did explain how breathing works in your den pressure in the context your imagine expanding of gas molecule dimensions and how that would ever allow fresh air to enter down the throat, lungs, bronchial tubes, into the Alveoli.  And how expanding gas molecules can make it into the blood stream via hemoglobin?

Please.  By all means mark up the picture how your layering and expanding molecules would ever promote the passage of fresh air from the atmosphere to the blood.



Breathing by allowing the mixing of gas molecules with their individual fixed sizes where they are processed by specific chemical and biological reactions, not “broken down in atmosphere” explains human respiration.  Not the den pressure delusion.

And you never did explain why in den pressure a steel ball twenty times more dense than a ping pong ball falls at the same rate, and not twenty times faster. 


It’s obvious that den pressure is an incomplete and failed model.

New thought.  It’s about skipping rocks.  A little of tying old arguments to the new.

How do you distinguish “forces”.

A simple experiment shows the atmosphere doesn’t push down a dropped ball.



By the way the ball moves and creates a wake, it’s obvious the ball is pulled through the atmosphere by gravity.

So the new thought was from skipping rocks.

Gravity pulls down on things.  Over simplification, but let’s go with it for simplicity.

I can skip a rock across water.  The rock and water are both pulled downward.  The water pool not changing potential energy, the rock converting potential energy to kinetic energy.  I guess you could also ask why a dropped ball would bounce in den pressure.

Well, long story short. The rock thrown at the proper angle has a collision with the water, skips off the water.  A process of being thrown, pulled down by gravity as it travels, collisions, and equal and opposite reactions.


A ball has potential energy from being held above the earth and the force of gravity pulling on it.  The ball is released, and in a perfect world hits something hard like a steel plate, bounces up and would return to its starting height.  But will not from friction.  Friction and sound energy created from the collision, and friction with the air.


Video of the skipped rock..



In den pressure delusion.  Hmm how about we just start calling it DPD.  In the den pressure delusion, DPD and the atmosphere supposedly crushing everything to the point it makes you breathe?

You create a low pressure to allow higher pressure to enter your lungs and your lungs expand to fill the low pressure within your cavity which expands with your lungs to compress the external atmosphere which then compresses back to crush your chest back and also your lungs to expel the circulated gases back to the atmosphere and off we go again.

I still think if den pressure was true you should be able to make someone breathe by spinning then head over heels.

Anyway.

Why would a rock skip in the DPD?  Would it create a different effect on skipping rocks.  The “atmosphere” is supposedly crushing everything down into the “ground”?  The rock is more dense than the water.  Why wouldn’t the water just be an extension of DPD and keep crushing the rock down as an extension of the atmosphere?

How would potential energy work in den-pressure delusion, DPD? 

Or maybe it’s more of the aspect the atmosphere is a force crushing things down in DPD (den pressure delusion) and isn’t a median to be skipped off of? 

There is no downward force.  Only somehow a “crushing” force from low pressure to high pressure that contradicts the words of its own creator? 

It's impossible for something low pressure to overcome higher pressure, meaning a tank with low pressure will not suck/pull/drag anything in. It's a fallacy.

So why would the atmosphere be a “crushing force” and why wouldn’t the water be an extension of the “crushing force” instead in reality being a media to skip a rock off of? 

Long story short.  The skipping rock clarified there is gravity, gravity effecting the rock, and gravity effecting the media the rock interacted with.  Water and air.


In DPD, den pressure delusion, there is no gravity.  The air isn’t a media to interact with.  It is the “crushing” force.  So the water should also have its own crushing force to “crush” the rock further down instead of being a media to skip off of.