crescent moon question

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #120 on: March 09, 2023, 12:10:05 PM »

Standing on a flat surface with your eyes about 5 feet off the ground, the farthest edge that you can see is about 3 miles.


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain

Shrugs…

Yes, yes, keep shrugging. Keep pulling out that same picture.

Keep fishing from the same tired "debunking Flat Earth" sources.

Now, on to Pontchatrain.







Fish eye lenses and perspective tricks. That's all your stuff. From this picture, we see a perfect vanishing point.
Almost like all these shots that show these lines curving in were doctored...

And from overhead, you can see that this bridge is not curved either, and in fact travel in a perfectly straight line.




But yes, keep worshiping at the altar of the same tired pictures.




Haahahahahahaahaha!!!

Meanwhile...





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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #121 on: March 09, 2023, 01:01:23 PM »
And more pathetic deflection.

When will you address the issue of the topic? Or shall we count your continued deflection and avoidance as an admission of defeat?
You admitting that Earth cannot be flat, as a FE cannot explain the phases of the moon, while a RE can?


Yes, yes, keep shrugging. Keep pulling out that same picture.
Yes, keep shrugging, because you have no answer.
All you do is dismiss it.

Fish eye lenses and perspective tricks. That's all your stuff.
No, it isn't.
You are the one appealing to perspective tricks.
There is no way for a fish eye lens to cause what is observed.

This is just your typical pathetic dismissal because you have no answer.

From this picture, we see a perfect vanishing point.
Do we?

We have such an incredibly low resolution you can't really see anything.
As well as no details of just how the image was taken.

It is trivial to make that curved line appear straight, by only focusing on the near towers and making the curve fade into the distance.
It is much harder to go the other way.

And from overhead, you can see that this bridge is not curved either
You mean from a position specifically chosen to minimise any chance of seeing a curve.

Instead of using such dishonest garbage, try explaining how the original image, the one which clearly demonstrates a curve, was made.

Or better yet, explain how the moon's phases work in your delusional pile of garbage or grow a spine and admit you can't, and that the RE is the only viable explanation you know of.

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #122 on: March 09, 2023, 02:05:45 PM »

Fish eye lenses and perspective tricks.


Exactly how does a “fish eye lens” cause the curvature of the earth to hide the bases of the towers at an increasing rate.


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain


The only way for the bases to become physically blocked from view at an increasing rate is if the earth is spherical.


And what was debunked.  I know what is proven.  You will lie…

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“There is a video showing the same scene, but the curvature is not there!”



Atmospheric refraction can cause a distant object that is physically already behind the curvature to be still visible. Such phenomenon happens because the air closer to the surface has higher pressure than above it, causing the path of light to curve along Earth’s curvature, up to a point.

The amount of refraction depends on the weather. In an extreme case, refraction can be severe, and it certainly can make it look as if the transmission pylons is straight.

Example. Refraction that changes how much of Chicago is seen..

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Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves.

https://www.abc57.com/news/skyline-skepticism-the-lake-michigan-mirage

Anyway…





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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #123 on: March 09, 2023, 02:08:18 PM »

Yes, yes, keep shrugging.

I asked you this.  Can you address it?


If as I said repeatedly, the sun and moon are images projected through a dome,

Soo…



Sun coming up in the east.  Moon setting in the west.

Where is the projector for the moon?

The sun is behind me.  Shouldn’t your sun projection delusion be making another image in the west on the same screen your Moon projection delusion needs in the west for its projected image?

Or you going to run away…


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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #124 on: March 09, 2023, 02:17:50 PM »

 Keep pulling out that same picture.



What.  You can’t handle the truth it’s known how FE’s can use camera angle in blatantly dishonest arguments to use 2D photos to hide a three dimensional world. 

My own example



Who would guess the above picture  of a line is of a downward curve to the right.


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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #125 on: March 09, 2023, 02:23:34 PM »
Maybe if you people actually listened rather than dishonestly pretending like evidence doesn't exist, I might actually be convinced to care about your own rantings.

"There is no way for fish eye to..."



When it can make buildings and hillsides do that, even my limited knowledge of fish eye says, "Yeah it probly can."

Dude, I have pictures of my own from Niagara Falls (Canada) and Deception Pass (WA). Both of these are shots taken by my own cameras. Both involve bridges. But since you couldn't be bothered, I'm just gonna grab something online.




Deception Pass at a distance. Any curving? No.





You know what? I can see buildings in the distance near Niagara Falls. None of them do this curved leaning thing.

Fish eye.

Fish eye.

Fish eye.


Oh sorry, Miss.

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What.  You can’t handle the truth it’s known how FE’s can use camera angle in blatantly dishonest arguments to use 2D photos to hide a three dimensional world.

That's pretty funny. My own eyes see a horizon like this.


Maybe the reason you're insistent that I use binoculars and telescopes is that you you hope that I won't notice lens distortion is not congruent with my own eyes. Have you considered getting yours checked?


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Who would guess the above picture  of a line is of a downward curve to the right.
A very narrow picture facing downward is a very small part of a road. Our road curves, but the pavement appears straight.

Horizontal curve of a road is not proof of curvature of the Earth.



"Proof of the curvature."



When you sit on the ground like a dumbfuck protestor, an artifical horizon is created. This is not "proof of the curvature" either. Any more than there is curvature on this table.


The video clearly shows how the "curvature" of the table was arrived at. The same downward-facing dishonest photography.


And for the record...
I don't "run away" from discussions. I get bored at having to explain the same arguments for the fifth or sixth time to absolute ignoramuses.  Do I have attention deficit issues, and go off topic? Sure. But you seldom bother to lead the discussion back on track, so it's obvious that you don't really care that it's off-topic since you said the same stuff anyway. You just like to blame me for getting bored of your shit.
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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #126 on: March 09, 2023, 02:30:21 PM »
Maybe if you people actually listened rather than dishonestly pretending like evidence doesn't exist,

Nothing you posted addresses

Exactly how does a “fish eye lens” cause the curvature of the earth to hide the bases of the towers at an increasing rate.


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain

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“There is a video showing the same scene, but the curvature is not there!”



Atmospheric refraction can cause a distant object that is physically already behind the curvature to be still visible. Such phenomenon happens because the air closer to the surface has higher pressure than above it, causing the path of light to curve along Earth’s curvature, up to a point.

The amount of refraction depends on the weather. In an extreme case, refraction can be severe, and it certainly can make it look as if the transmission pylons is straight.

Example. Refraction that changes how much of Chicago is seen..

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Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves.

https://www.abc57.com/news/skyline-skepticism-the-lake-michigan-mirage





Yes, yes, keep shrugging.

I asked you this.  Can you address it?


If as I said repeatedly, the sun and moon are images projected through a dome,

Soo…



Sun coming up in the east.  Moon setting in the west.

Where is the projector for the moon?

The sun is behind me.  Shouldn’t your sun projection delusion be making another image in the west on the same screen your Moon projection delusion needs in the west for its projected image?

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #127 on: March 09, 2023, 02:33:25 PM »

"There is no way for fish eye to..."



Vs


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain

Which the towers show no distortion from a fish eye lens.

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #128 on: March 09, 2023, 02:44:24 PM »
Keep fishing from the same tired "debunking Flat Earth" sources.

You literally validated the Globe earth in this post here - The Globe calculations for that height and distance match within 6":

So let's come down from The Hill, and find out just how far you could see from atop Mount Everest.
https://brilliantmaps.com/see-from-everest/
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And the answer, in case the text above is too small, is 340km (211 miles) in any direction. This would cover a total area of 363,000 sq km (140,000 sq mi), where you could see things, roughly the same size as Germany, Japan or the state of Montana.

So now that we have that out of the way, let’s get back to the meat and potatoes…

- Where is our Moon's projector?
- Where is the image (file) of the Moon that is being projected stored?
- How does the projector make the Moon phases?

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #129 on: March 09, 2023, 02:46:23 PM »

Horizontal curve of a road is not proof of curvature of the Earth.



How did you get that from this post?


 Keep pulling out that same picture.



What.  You can’t handle the truth it’s known how FE’s can use camera angle in blatantly dishonest arguments to use 2D photos to hide a three dimensional world. 

My own example



Who would guess the above picture  of a line is of a downward curve to the right.



It was a post how FE’s use blatantly false arguments and literal camera tricks. 

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #130 on: March 09, 2023, 03:45:33 PM »

And for the record...
I don't "run away" from discussions. I get bored at having to explain the same arguments for the fifth or sixth time to absolute ignoramuses. 

Then quote where you explained where the projector for the moon in your delusion is located just once. 

Did you just get caught in another blatant false statement. 

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #131 on: March 09, 2023, 05:44:09 PM »
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Horizontal curve of a road is not proof of curvature of the Earth.

How did you get that from this post?

Maybe it's because I have intelligence, and am capable of following logic to its conclusion.



You were pointing the camera towards the ground here. You weren't making a straight line to the horizon.

Yes, I know how to do trick photography too. Doesn't mean I deliberately try to do it.


Doctored shot. The line curves in such a way that the transmission lines are literally appearing to fly. That's impossible btw.


Actual vanishing point.


Spherize (vertical: curve 1.0 amount 1.0, top half), Spherize (radial: curve 1.0 amount -0.5, top center) 

The vertical spherize was to make a premature dip in the horizon, the radial spherize to make the tree and the building lean... exactly as we saw those electric towers do.

Using GIMP, and maybe thirty minutes (not including dinner). Nothing more than a trick.

I'm waiting for you to realize this, but it is clear that you not only can't understand, but you're probably part of the problem. Indoctrinated for birth, never questioned any of it, follow along with the party line hoping for the secular version of "Heaven."  That would be Big State socialist takeover, of course.

When NASA's globalist agenda takes over, you think you're gonna be in charge, but you're in for a rude awakening.

This is how revolutions always work. Chick is a goofball, but he legit understands history. Revolutions take over, then they kill off the old guard. The people who tried to warn you will die during the glorious revolution of globalist socialism, then they'll kill you off because you were a useful idiot. This is what the globe Earth model is about. Globalist socialism.
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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #132 on: March 09, 2023, 07:54:01 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 link=topic=91500.msg2396993#m

Maybe it's because I have intelligence, and am capable of following logic to its conclusion.

Not going to let you change the subject.

This photo.



Is actually a seam and concrete edging that is going down hill and curving to the right.

Because of how small a sample the photo offers of the edging and the camera angle, it hides the fact it’s going down hill and curving to the right.

This photo.


Because of a larger sample size, and a camera angle gives you context of surroundings, gives you the information to show the edging is going down hill and curving to the right.

And in the context of this.



Which you’re ignoring, and blatantly misrepresenting my argument.

Doctored shot.

Which you have no proof of.  Which makes you a liar.

The line curves in such a way that the transmission lines are literally appearing to fly. That's impossible btw.

How does the bases of the towers increasingly become blocked physical from view by the curvature of the earth make them appear to “fly”

The phenomenon of the bases increasingly becoming blocked from view by the curvature of the earth is the same phenomenon that makes this cargo ship become blocked from view where zooming will not unblock the hidden part.  Same for the bases of the towers.


 
Boats don't vanish at the bottom (sorry ppl who made that thread), the shrink through compression.


And you would be proven wrong.

By simply watching a sunset where the sun does not change size, and disappears bottom first. 


Or this video..

Huge container ship eclipsing the horizon. Nikon Coolpix P900.








Your “compression”, or just another name for magic perspective, was tested and found wrong in these two threads…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0


Do Clouds Show Evidence of Spherical Earth?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90800.0

And with a little more research…

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Proof of Earth Curvature: The Rainy Lake Experiment

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Proof+of+Earth+Curvature%3A+The+Rainy+Lake+Experiment

The Rainy Lake Experiment was designed to show, how we can figure out the shape of the earth, Flat or a Globe, by observing and measuring a clever arrangement of targets over a distance of 10 km, taking terrestrial refraction into account and using modern equipment. The experiment is an advanced version of the Bedford Level experiment executed in 1838. The Experiment leads to the conclusion that the earth must be a Globe with a radius of 6371 km.


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Flat-earthers tried to prove the Earth was flat with a videotaped experiment and it did not go well

https://www.businessinsider.com/flat-earthers-tried-to-prove-the-earth-was-flat-and-it-did-not-go-well-2019-2

When the experiment began, the light didn’t appear on camera. A perplexed Jeran radioed Henrique to confirm the height of the light at 5.18 meters (17 feet) above sea level. On a flat Earth, he should be seeing the light. He then asked Henrique to lift the light above his head. Lo and behold, the light shined through.

“That’s interesting,” Jeran commented in the clip.

And you know what? It is interesting. This experimental set up has been a staple of flat-Earthers since 1836, when Samuel Birley Rowbotham first did it on the Old Bedford River. Time and time again, it has revealed the curvature of the Earth. Still, it is important to continue to repeat classic experiments as repetition is one of the cornerstones of science.


Why doesn’t the “flat earth society” video tape, and reproduce the results of the cited experiments? 

Why do you post the same debunked crap over and over again.  Likes it’s the first time it’s every been posted?  Ignoring the long load of baggage your delusions have accumulated.

Now..

This…



Actual vanishing point.

When you actually zoom in the photo.  You see the tracks get blocked from view by the rise of a road crossing, or the buildings.





Vanishing point isn’t making the tracks disappear.  It’s the hill/rise of a road crossing.  Or the buildings the tracks go to.

Another epic failure by you

Now this.


(Which ironically shows in greater detail the tracks are blocked from view by what seems to be a change in elevation for a road crossing.  Not vanishing point)

Vs the towers showing no distortion.


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain

Now.



https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1321414042599202816

Where zooming in shows the bases of the towers become physically blocked by the earth’s curvature at an increasing rate.  The power lines curve down with the earth’s curvature. Not up to vanishing point. 



All items that has been discussed here. 
Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0




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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #133 on: March 09, 2023, 07:57:25 PM »

Maybe it's because

Now.  You going to stop changing the subject and actually address…


If as I said repeatedly, the sun and moon are images projected through a dome,

Soo…



Sun coming up in the east.  Moon setting in the west.

Where is the projector for the moon?

The sun is behind me.  Shouldn’t your sun projection delusion be making another image in the west on the same screen your Moon projection delusion needs in the west for its projected image?

Or you going to just keep being a tool, and just keep running away…

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #134 on: March 09, 2023, 08:29:21 PM »




By the way.  What the fuck does a single line going down hill and curving to the right to show how FE’s use camera angle and sample size to hide earth’s curvature have to do with “a point at which receding parallel lines seem to meet when represented in linear perspective”

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vanishing%20point

Especially when you have to be a tool, ignore the single curving line, the context of the post, and add your own straight set of parallel lines…

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #135 on: March 09, 2023, 10:23:34 PM »
Quote from: bulmabriefs144 link=topic=91500.msg2396993#m

Maybe it's because I have intelligence, and am capable of following logic to its conclusion.

Not going to let you change the subject.

Mmmhmmm. Sure you aren't.

This photo.



Is actually a seam and concrete edging that is going down hill and curving to the right.

No. It's a tiny portion of a seam, which appears to be going uphill and to the right. I can clearly notice that there is what appears to be the crest of a hill. Past that is a sort of false horizon line that you only really see in either a shelf effect or just before the top of a hill. What appears to have happened is that you sat on the ground again to get more zero perspective shots.

Because of how small a sample the photo offers of the edging and the camera angle, it hides the fact it’s going down hill and curving to the right.

Suuuure it does. It's not at all that you're taking a false shot from dodgy angles. Meanwhile with my own eyes, and with reliable level photography, I can always see a flat horizon.

This photo.


You basically picked a spot that has a bell curve (it may be going downhill, but where you are standing, it arced uphill) to "prove" there is curvature. Only actually, it completely disproves it. This vision at higher elevations, as I repeatedly have said, opens up for miles. But in a hilled horizon, which is a necessity to your pet theory, the sort of blockage of the bottom of the pole would be a constant thing.

Because of a larger sample size, and a camera angle gives you context of surroundings, gives you the information to show the edging is going down hill and curving to the right.

And in the context of this.



Which you’re ignoring, and blatantly misrepresenting my argument.

Maybe because you seem dead-set on displaying false images.

Doctored shot.

Which you have no proof of.  Which makes you a liar.

I just proved it by doing it. I got the same exact effect with roughly thirty minutes of work. But here, let's prove it again.


“There is a video showing the same scene, but the curvature is not there!”



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Atmospheric refraction can cause a distant object that is physically already behind the curvature to be still visible. Such phenomenon happens because the air closer to the surface has higher pressure than above it, causing the path of light to curve along Earth’s curvature, up to a point.



So we're gonna use this picture. First, lemme blow it up.




No editing.


(Whirl & Pitch -> Whirl -0.90)

Took about three seconds. Can be done + motive to fake = Proof of fakery.

The unaltered shot is what you see. The excuses about "atmospheric refraction" means you are not just a useful idiot, but proof that you are actually complicit in globalism schemes.

Enjoy that moment when you find out I was right about globalism, and they shoot you dead for being old guard.



Soooo...

No answer I can find.

You weren't looking very hard.





Basically, like this. When the sun and moon are within field of vision, you get something like this.
But let's say the sun moves off to the right outside your vision (it sets), but the moon is still up. Sun is still parallel to moon? Full moon.

If the sun is not parallel to the moon, new moon in the sky. No light? Wrong angle? New moon.

Why do I need to know down to the exact coordinate where the sun and moon are? Such things care for themselves. It is is only important that we understand the % fullness, and that it relates to the percent of illumination from the sun and the location from each other.

Xplained. Great 90s spelling, btw. I have a totally Xtreme new theory. Can You Handle It?

So you have no idea how it's projected, where it is, no clue whatsoever, but somehow have determined that it is? Got it.

What do you use to predict the phases?

Simple. I look at the same tide and lunar phase prediction things online. The fact the moon and sun are projected has absolutely no bearing on what time the moon and sun rise or set. They are accurate to the minute (except for sidereal days, which are bullshit).

https://www.timeanddate.com/moon/@4763558

For the record, right now it will be a waxing gibbous with 55% illumination. I don't need to know any more than that. Do you? Do you have a condition I should be aware of?


You don't like my answers. So you refuse to see them, and call them a fail.

The answers are going to be the same whether you asked be the other day or right now. "Where" is irrelevant, because he cannot calculate distance of an object beyond our reach. There has never been a successful space flight, and there never will be. But what we do know from car perspective experiments is that where we turn the car, the the moon shifts with it, but the car is never able to pass it, nor is the moon able to pass the car. Conclusion? Well, it's simple. It does not move 2,288 miles. It moves at a fixed rate from a fixed distance, that we are somehow never able to reach but yet even a relatively slow moving object is not passed. On a three hour trip back home one night, I fully expected the moon to move past us. Instead it stayed positionally locked... to us. In a car. Moving less than 60 mph.



Straight from my signature. Figure 5.  In other words, no matter the distance we travel, the moon never appears closer or farther. It simply tilts due to upward or downward angle, and shifts left or right based on facing.

Same elevation, same position during the same general time. As though we were looking at an object composited on a film screen.

I told you. It's projected from the real moon. Which is outside our reach. Nevertheless, we can know for certain that RE models of how far away it's supposed to be are dead wrong. Light does not project this far.

For the record, the real one is probably facing downward, like this. But anyway. Doesn't matter.


The point being that phases are about alignment, and distant wavelengths fade, as everyone who has heard a radio signal fade or distant music or traffic lights. These aren't passing over a curvature, because we happen to know green doesn't carry as far as red. The distance they are projected from is the same. The distance they can be seen from is not, as everyone will tell you when you ask why traffic lights are certain colors.

Why did I mention traffic lights? Simple.

Different wavelengths carry at different distances. The sun and moon are not going around a curve. They are going outside a visible wavelength.

Do I know how far? No, and I do not care.
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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #136 on: March 10, 2023, 12:21:49 AM »
I see still no addressing the Moon's phases, nor growing a spine.
So I take it that you fully accept Earth is round as that is the only explanation and you have provided nothing to challenge it?
You just don't have the spine to admit it.
Truly pathetic.

Maybe if you people actually listened rather than dishonestly pretending like evidence doesn't exist, I might actually be convinced to care about your own rantings.
You sure do love projecting don't you.

You are the one ignoring the evidence that demonstrates your delusional BS is wrong.
You are the one spouting pure garbage, which is refuted, only for you to spout the same refuted garbage again.

Perhaps if you stopped spouting so much garbage and instead started to listen people might respect you more.

You could also try being honest. There is one very simple reason why you don't care about our "rantings", and that is because it doesn't support your delusional garbage, and you have no rational objection.

"There is no way for fish eye to..."
When it can make buildings and hillsides do that, even my limited knowledge of fish eye says, "Yeah it probly can."
And more dishonest delusional BS from you.
Those images in no way address the issue.
You aren't providing any image where a fish eye lens magically makes a line of objects curve down into Earth.

Deception Pass at a distance. Any curving? No.
Plenty, it is an arch bridge.
Such pathetic dishonesty wont get you far.

But more importantly, you are yet again just providing dishonest BS to try and prop up your delusional fantasy.
The bridge is quite short. Just how much curve would you expect to see, and how would you expect to see it?

That's pretty funny. My own eyes see a horizon like this.
Yes, just like you would expect for the RE, and something you cannot explain with your delusional BS.

Horizontal curve of a road is not proof of curvature of the Earth.
And more dishonest BS from you.
The 2 photos together show why this dishonest BS of yours doesn't work.

You can easily get a curve, and take a photo of it where you cannot detect that curve.

But sure, blatantly lie about the intended purpose of the photo, and show everyone just how little you care about the truth, and how you are willing to blatantly lie to everyone to pedal your delusional BS.

"Proof of the curvature."
Yes, something you cannot refute and need to flee from, spouting all sorts of delusional BS to escape from it.

When you sit on the ground like a dumbfuck protestor, an artifical horizon is created.
Do you mean the actual horizon? Or are you yet again appealing to magic you cannot justify at all, but magic you need to pretend your delusional BS is true?

Any more than there is curvature on this table.
And have you actually measured the table to see how flat it is?
No. Instead you just assert it is magically perfectly flat, with no evidence at all; all to pretend your dishonest BS is true.

And for the record...
I don't "run away" from discussions.
Yes, you do.
Repeatedly.
You are continually refuted, and cannot justify your delusional BS, so you flee, because you can't accept the fact that you are wrong and Earth is round.

Maybe it's because I have intelligence, and am capable of following logic to its conclusion.
Or maybe it's because you are dishonest scum, using whatever dishonest BS you can to run away from reality?

NO ONE suggested that photo is proof of Earth's curvature. But that didn't stop you pretending it was so you could pretend you were correct.

Pathetic, dishonest BS, that is all you have.

Doctored shot. The line curves in such a way that the transmission lines are literally appearing to fly. That's impossible btw.
Only in your delusional fantasy.
Back in reality, with a RE, it is entirely possible.
There is no evidence at all that this doctored, and there are countless more examples showing effectively the same thing.
You have no explanation, so you need to flee from it at all costs.

Using GIMP, and maybe thirty minutes (not including dinner). Nothing more than a trick.
And your pathetic trick is nothing like the original image, which is from a video.

I'm waiting for you to realize this, but it is clear that you not only can't understand
You mean we fully understand, and see through your dishonest BS.

This is what the globe Earth model is about.
No, the globe Earth model is about explain reality, something your delusional BS can't.
Again, we just need to look at the subject of this thread you have entirely fled from to show that.
The RE model trivially explains the phases of the moon and many more aspects of it.
Your delusional BS failed every time.

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« Reply #137 on: March 10, 2023, 12:36:39 AM »
No. It's a tiny portion of a seam, which appears to be going uphill and to the right. I can clearly notice that there is what appears to be the crest of a hill.
No, you can't.
There is nothing in that photo to indicate if it is going up or down or to the left or to the right.
If you think there is, identify the key part of it that does.

You basically picked a spot that has a bell curve (it may be going downhill, but where you are standing, it arced uphill) to "prove" there is curvature.
You sure do love playing dumb don't you?
Even you have admitted the road is curving to the right.
That is the curve being discussed.

In this photo you can easily see that curve to the right, but in the photo of a tiny portion of that curve, you can't easily see it.

That is the point you keep fleeing from.
It exposes your dishonest BS and you can't accept it.

I just proved it by doing it.
No, you didn't.
You pissed around with GIMP and got something which looks nothing like it.

But here, let's prove it again.
“There is a video showing the same scene, but the curvature is not there!”
And then the logical thing for you to do here, is for you to do what you have allegedly done, take that image and make it show the curve.
But you can't.

Instead, you cling to a low resolution, carefully cherry picked image to pretend there isn't a cuve.
As already demonstrated, it is easy to get a curve, and take a photo of it in such a way to dishonestly hide the curve.

So showing a photo where the curve is not obvious in no way proves your delusional BS.

Took about three seconds.
To produce an image nothing like what is seen.
Yet again you have failed to justify your delusional BS.

Enjoy that moment when you find out I was right about globalism
That moment exists only as a figment of your imagination.
How often you flee from topics after being repeatedly refuted demonstrates quite clearly that you are spouting pure BS.

The answers are going to be the same whether you asked be the other day or right now.
i.e. you will continue spouting the same refuted, delusional BS, no matter how many times it is explained why it is delusional BS, and you will make no attempt to actually defend that delusional BS by addressing those refutations.

There has never been a successful space flight, and there never will be.
More wilful ignorance of reality wont save you.

But what we do know from car perspective experiments is that where we turn the car, the the moon shifts with it
No, it doesn't.
If the moon is in front of the car, and you turn the car, the moon doesn't magically shift to be in front of the car.

but the car is never able to pass it, nor is the moon able to pass the car. Conclusion?
You can sit in the car and watch the moon pass overhead.
So conclusion: You are spouting delusional BS with no connection to reality.


It moves at a fixed rate from a fixed distance
The majority of the apparent motion of the moon is due to Earth's rotation.
That makes it move at a fairly constant rate.

Straight from my signature. Figure 5.
You mean your delusional pile of garbage, which was refuted when you first posted it, only for you to flee from that refutation and lie to everyone with every post you make?

In this you continue with your delusional BS that for a FE the horizon is magically fixed at 3 miles, for no reason at all.
And continue to promote your delusional parabola, that makes no sense at all, and which you cannot justify in any way.

In other words, you just blatantly lie to everyone, bringing up the same refuted BS again and again.

Your "proof 3" is just proof of how much you are willing to lie to everyone.

For a RE, the distance to the horizon depends on your altitude.
That means if you go higher, you can see further.
But this doesn't help your delusional BS, so you outright lie to everyone and pretend that exactly what is expected for a RE magically refutes the RE.

Proof 4 repeats the same dishonest, refuted, BS.

Proof 5 just further demonstrates your delusional BS doesn't work.
If the moon was close, you would expect it to change drastically as you moved around.
But if it was 350 000 + km away, you wouldn't expect it to change much as you travelled around Earth.

If your delusional BS was true, and your vision was limited to 3 miles by the parabola, you should only be able to see the moon for a tiny portion of the day.

Your parabola BS doesn't work at all.
But the RE model does.

As for the last bit, your delusional BS in no way invalidates a sensible depiction of the RE.
You providing BS has no impact on sensible depictions.

Perhaps you should try a sensible depiction, and try combing that last image which directly your previous BS and try explaining why a RE should magically have vision limited to 3 archaic units.

In other words, no matter the distance we travel, the moon never appears closer or farther. It simply tilts due to upward or downward angle, and shifts left or right based on facing.
Just like you would expect for a RE with a very distant moon, and nothing at all like what you would expect for a FE with a close moon, even if it is a projection.

Nevertheless, we can know for certain that RE models of how far away it's supposed to be are dead wrong. Light does not project this far.
No, we can't.
You have NOTHING at all, to support that delusional BS of yours.

The point being that phases are about alignment
And that is just yet another thing you cannot address at all.

Once more, with a RE and a very distant round moon that merely reflects the sun's light, it makes perfect sense, but your delusional BS you can't tell us what this alignment is, or how it causes the phases, or for how long each phase should be.

These aren't passing over a curvature, because we happen to know green doesn't carry as far as red.
You repeatedly asserting your delusional BS, with no justification at all, will not help you.
Green carries just as far as red, that is until something blocks it or absorbs it.
It doesn't just magically die.

as everyone will tell you when you ask why traffic lights are certain colors.
Because green means go and red means stop.
It has nothing to do with how far they travel.

Do I know how far? No, and I do not care.
Of course you don't care.
You are happy to leave your model as vague garbage, because you know that specifics makes it even easier to demonstrate it is BS.

Now again, try explaining the Moon's phases, or grow a spine and admit you can't explain it with a FE and that the RE is the only viable explanation.

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2023, 03:11:29 AM »





No. It's a tiny portion of a seam,

And this is a tiny bit of power line..

Like in the example below










Which has been explained to you.

The misrepresentation of the well known atmospheric refraction.

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“There is a video showing the same scene, but the curvature is not there!”



Atmospheric refraction can cause a distant object that is physically already behind the curvature to be still visible. Such phenomenon happens because the air closer to the surface has higher pressure than above it, causing the path of light to curve along Earth’s curvature, up to a point.

The amount of refraction depends on the weather. In an extreme case, refraction can be severe, and it certainly can make it look as if the transmission pylons is straight.

Example. Refraction that changes how much of Chicago is seen..

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Skyline Skepticism: The Lake Michigan Mirage

To those that doubt affects of refraction. The full Chicago skyline should be visible all the time if it weren't the case, barring clouds, rain or fog. However that’s not the case, it is always changing. I encourage anyone to go look for themselves.

https://www.abc57.com/news/skyline-skepticism-the-lake-michigan-mirage


Or like you ignoring how the Chicago Skyline view is affected by a mirage.


https://www.abc57.com/news/skyline-skepticism-the-lake-michigan-mirage
Is this what the Chicago skyline looks like?

While ignore actual proof the earth is spherical.

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https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain



https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1321414042599202816

Where zooming in shows the bases of the towers become physically blocked by the earth’s curvature at an increasing rate.  The power lines curve down with the earth’s curvature. Not up to vanishing point. 




As supported by the ship disappearing over the horizon bottom up



 
Boats don't vanish at the bottom (sorry ppl who made that thread), the shrink through compression.


And you would be proven wrong.

By simply watching a sunset where the sun does not change size, and disappears bottom first. 


Or this video..

Huge container ship eclipsing the horizon. Nikon Coolpix P900.








Your “compression”, or just another name for magic perspective, was tested and found wrong in these two threads…

Horizon did not block duck from view
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=90722.0

As in.  Why would the bases of Chicago’s tall buildings, and the smaller buildings and city shoreline completely, ever be blocked from view when overlooking Lake Michigan from a hill?


https://www.abc57.com/news/skyline-skepticism-the-lake-michigan-mirage


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« Reply #139 on: March 10, 2023, 03:24:00 AM »






And yet.  You can’t draw an arrow to where your delusional moon’s projector is in a photo from real life. And why as the sun is rising, and the moon is setting, isn’t there a reflection of the sun on the moon’s screen? 

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« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2023, 05:01:48 AM »






Your delusion that makes no sense for the continental USA for example.

It has to explain what a person on the east coast of the USA is seeing at moonset while a person on the west coast at the same instance is looking at a moon hours from moon set.  Same for moonrise, sunrise, sunset. 

You can’t look at the problem as from a single person.  But what all people across the USA are seeing in the same instance. 

The sun rises on the east coast, it takes almost another four hours for the sun to rise for daylight on the west coast.  Before the sun is even visible.

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It takes about one hour for the Sun’s light to move 15° longitude. This is why the Sun’s rays reach the East Coast each day before the West Coast.

https://www.farmersalmanac.com/not-all-sunrises-are-created-equal-11611




For your delusion of a flat earth with the moon and sun as projections.  (Where just observing the projections never make a noticeable beam of projection in space dust such as when the earth passes through a comets tail. Or clouds or jet con trails.  And is never disrupted by meteorites, dust, comets.)


The projection delusion is impossible for flat earth.  The moon can’t be setting over the east coast and the same projection delusion still be a good distance above the west coast horizon.

And the sun can’t rise on the east coast in the flat earth delusion, and not be visible in the west coast.  And leave the west coast dark for four more hours. 

All explained and possible with earth’s curvature and earth’s shadow.


If there was a “screen” above the earth.  There would be all kinds of secondary suns and moons in the sky.  As the sun rises over the east coast during a moon set, the sun would make an image on the moon’s “screen”.  There would be two sun’s the sky.


Note.  Added Something like this…


https://www.amazon.com/DuvinDD-Cloche-Antique-Display-H5-11D3-94/dp/B08WWTSMXW#immersive-view_1678467441871

Notice how the LEDs in the base make multiple reflections.  Looks like the overhead lighting projecting down makes similar effects.




With no reason the moon’s projection would affect earth’s tides.

Sorry.  Your moon projection is stupid, delusional.  Your moon projection is not supported by radar surveys of the moon, just looking at the moon with a telescope, and tidal waves proves your delusion is BS.
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« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2023, 05:37:18 AM »


If as I said repeatedly, the sun and moon are images projected through a dome,

Then how did I get an image of the moon like this?   With no visible effects of being projected through a dome?




I dunno, how did you? It looks like a fake picture.



No.  My imagine is from while looking at the moon with my telescope.  Then using my cellphone to capture an image/video. 

It shows characteristics of a solid object.


We can use a mirage of a ship to compare how a solid object appears VS a projection.

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The top “ship” is a projection.

 




My image of the moon gives every indication of a solid three dimensional object reflecting sunlight.

There is no indication of a light projection effected by dust being viewed on a domed screen. 

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« Reply #142 on: March 11, 2023, 01:45:43 AM »
What happens if you project on a dome with some “space dust” floating around….

For an angle close to sunrise or sunset.



(The little white lights on the dome are from two separate light bulbs illuminating a china cabinet about 4 feet away. And a single light bulb lamp in the living room about 18 feet away. Three lights making about 5 to 7 reflections in the “dome”?)

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #143 on: March 11, 2023, 01:54:43 AM »
From inside the “dome”


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« Reply #144 on: March 11, 2023, 03:41:25 AM »
Do I know how far? No, and I do not care.

None of this explains:

- How everyone on the planet, regardless of their location, sees the same phase of the moon. Your model does not address this.
- How the moon phases occur. Your model does not address this.

These are the questions posed in this thread and 9 pages in, you still haven't even remotely answered them. Try again.

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Re: crescent moon question
« Reply #145 on: March 11, 2023, 05:05:18 AM »
I never meant I rely solely on firsthand experience.
I meant I don't blindly accept the word of "experts."
http://ds-wordpress.haverford.edu/psych2015/projects/chapter/expert-opinionappeal-to-authority/
As this article points out, the fallacy comes when you think that an expert in X must also be knowledgeable in Y.
 "Because he is a dentist, he must also be knowledgeable in marine biology."
 But I don't think that is the problem.

The problem is you actually think there is such a thing as dentist. Oh sure, they study several years at dentist training. Do they know everything about teeth? No they do not.
You know why that is? Because an actual dentist would commit their waking life to dental work. They would be obsessed. They would also be institutionalized, more likely than not. Why? Because they would start to know things that the status quo says are wrong or even crazy.
For example, it turns out there is some evidence that teeth regrow on their own just from high calcium and low acid diet. Do dentists know this? No they do not. At the first hint of a cavity, they pour molten metal on the offending hole, and they are looking into stem cells to regrow teeth.
https://www.advanceddentalartsnyc.com/how-to-regrow-bone-around-teeth/
https://dentalfreak.com/teeth-regeneration-and-regrowth-current-research-and-future-treatments/
Lastly, there are no experts, because our first job is being human. There is no such thing as a dentist, astronomer, meteorologist. In fact, ask a meteorologist, if they are honest, they will tell you they're wrong all the time!

And yes, I'll get to the rest of your post later.

Okay, so apparently the post I was responding to was on another page. Damned Kindle.

We'll just pick some other post to respond to.

You're thinking the dome is like a glass (or plastic) dome. It's around your mind. It's the limits of your perception. You think you can somehow see limitlessly out into space, because NASA says so.  Your eyes have a limit to what they can see given a specific altitude. This same limit should give you pause when astronomers tell you that you can view stars from light years away. Or could it be that sun/moon/stars aren't as far as advertised?



If you think the sun and moon are at ground level, no wonder you have issues. The sun isn't actually falling in the sky.



So basically what you've proven is that a light source lightens the entire sky. Which is exactly what one can see when the light is near enough to the sun. The entire sky is lit.


Now, in a bigger room where lightbulb is 48 feet away, only part of the light shows up.


We're gonna rent a mansion for this last one, and light a lightbulb 240 ft away. Odds are that the dome of yours wouldn't be at all lit.


Btw, what is "space dust"? Is it some kind of product? Or is this just glitter?

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If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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« Reply #146 on: March 11, 2023, 08:46:36 AM »



If you think the sun and moon are at ground level, no wonder you have issues. The sun isn't actually falling in the sky.


Spherical earth rotating while orbiting the sun explains how the the sun goes relatively below the viewer to become physically blocked from view by the earth’s curvature to create night.  And the sun’s radiation.

FE earth has no credible explanation.






So basically what you've proven is that a light source lightens the entire sky.

No.  What I proven in your delusion of a moon being seen on “screen” at moonset would also reflect the image of the sun rising in the east on the days these events occur simultaneously.

I didn’t prove anything about “lighting up the whole sky”. All the glass should be a red tint, and is clearly not.   What I proved, there would be multiple images of the sun and moon by reflection in your delusion they are projections on a dome.

In my example, lights besides the  laser pointer would also cause reflections in your needed delusional of a screen.  Everything from stars to ground lights would cause multiple reflections



Btw, what is "space dust"? Is it some kind of product? Or is this just glitter?

Just foot powder.

You never seen how the line of projection lights up in a smokey movie theater?  Or a projection through a dry ice cloud?

Something like this..


https://walkerart.org/magazine/moviegoing-and-the-architecture-of-theaters-in-the-age-of-virtual-reality

Funny.  The movie projector doesn’t light up the whole theater to the same brightness as it does the screen…


There is NO proof the moon and sun are projections.

There is evey indication the sun and moon are three dimensional objects.

It’s ok to question.  You’re delusional and ignorant because you can’t excepted the sun and moon are physical three dimensional objects.  The sun a source of radiation and charged particles.  The sun oversimplified is the lamp.  Which explains what illuminates planets, comets, meteorites, satellites for visual detection. The moon a solid body illuminated by the sun like seeing a passenger jet illuminated in the sky by the sun.  The moon’s gravity influencing earth’s rotation and tides.
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« Reply #147 on: March 11, 2023, 01:07:54 PM »
I never meant I rely solely on firsthand experience.
I meant I don't blindly accept the word of "experts."

Well, then you lied...

You cannot get your knowledge from secondhand or thirdhand sources.

And, again, none of this explains:

- How everyone on the planet, regardless of their location, sees the same phase of the moon. Your model does not address this.
- How the moon phases occur. Your model does not address this.

These are the questions posed in this thread and 9 pages in, you still haven't even remotely answered them. Try again.

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« Reply #148 on: March 11, 2023, 01:12:09 PM »
I never meant I rely solely on firsthand experience.
I meant I don't blindly accept the word of "experts."
There is nothing blind about it.

Instead, there are mountains of evidence supporting the RE, including plenty of things you can verify yourself.
But you reject it because you don't want Earth to be round.

The most relevant collection of evidence for this thread is the moon, something you are yet to explain for the FE.

The problem is you actually think there is such a thing as dentist. Oh sure, they study several years at dentist training. Do they know everything about teeth? No they do not.
And no one is pretending they do.
Not knowing everything doesn't mean they aren't a dentist.
There is no requirement for them to commit every waking moment of the life to dental work, or be obsessed.
Nor should they say they are wrong all the time, as they aren't.

You're thinking the dome is like a glass (or plastic) dome. It's around your mind. It's the limits of your perception.
If it was the limit of our perception, that means we shouldn't be able to see anything beyond and nothing should be able to project onto it because whatever would be projecting onto it would be outside our perception.

You think you can somehow see limitlessly out into space, because NASA says so.
No, it is not because NASA says so.
It is because that is what basic common sense demands, and what all the available evidence demonstrates.
There is nothing to support the idea that our eyes have some magical distance limit.

Our vision is based upon light reaching our eyes.
In order to not see something, there are a few options. The simplest is for something to block the light.
This is why you can't see into the next room if a wall is in the way, the wall blocks the light.
It isn't a limitation of your eyes, it is that there is a physical object blocking the light.

There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that our eyes have some magical limit beyond which they can't see.
That is just your delusional BS to avoid admitting you can't explain where there is a horizon.

Your eyes have a limit to what they can see given a specific altitude. This same limit should give you pause when astronomers tell you that you can view stars from light years away. Or could it be that sun/moon/stars aren't as far as advertised?
Again, pure garbage.
If you eyes had a limit, why should it vary depending on altitude?
What is causing this magical limit?
And what causes it to magically change?

The fact that it changes with altitude demonstrates that Earth has this limit, not your eyes.
Earth obstructs your view, and as you get higher you can see further, just like you would expect with curvature.
The fact that you can see tall objects beyond the horizon demonstrates that it is Earth that has this limit, not your eyes.
If our eyes had some magical limit, then it shouldn't matter how high you go, or how tall the object is, if it is beyond the 5 km limit, it should not be visible.

This also means you shouldn't be able to look up and see a plane passing overhead, as flying at 35000 ft would be beyond the 5 km limit.

But more importantly, to make the sun and moon work in this pile of delusional garbage of yours, they would need to be within this limit, within 5 km.
That means you would only see the sun or moon for a tiny fraction of a day.

So even if we were to accept your delusional garbage, it still doesn't work.

If you think the sun and moon are at ground level, no wonder you have issues. The sun isn't actually falling in the sky.
Again, all the evidence indicates it is.
We see the sun have roughly the same angular size, meaning it is the same distance away, and yet it appears at a different angle.
It's angle of elevation puts it at ground level (for you, not for the subsolar point).

But this is just yet another pathetic deflection from you.

So basically what you've proven is that a light source lightens the entire sky. Which is exactly what one can see when the light is near enough to the sun.
No, they have proven that the light source reflecting off a dome makes multiple such sources, none of which appear as a nice simple circle.

Now, in a bigger room where lightbulb is 48 feet away, only part of the light shows up.
If the room is otherwise dark, it will show up.
If you have another brighter light source, it can hide the fainter one.

And notice how yet again you entirely fail to even attempt to explain the phases.
The moon is clearly something you cannot explain in your delusional flat fantasy.
It is such a problem for you you need to flee from it at all costs.
Otherwise, you might need to admit the evidence shows Earth is round, and you can't handle that.

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« Reply #149 on: March 11, 2023, 05:58:31 PM »
I never meant I rely solely on firsthand experience.
I meant I don't blindly accept the word of "experts."

Well, then you lied...

You cannot get your knowledge from secondhand or thirdhand sources.

And, again, none of this explains:

- How everyone on the planet, regardless of their location, sees the same phase of the moon. Your model does not address this.
- How the moon phases occur. Your model does not address this.

These are the questions posed in this thread and 9 pages in, you still haven't even remotely answered them. Try again.

How does it not?

Your own... oh wait, that was DataOverflow... his own model shows that when light hits the dome, it brightens all parts of it. In other words, when light hits a dome, it brightens the whole sky, and if the sun projects itself into the dome, you see the image of the sun, even though it is actually outside. From existing round earth theories, you already know that the sun is not where it appears to be, as it appears to be extremely close.  Yet if it is so distant, it would need to be in multiple places at once. Why do I say that? Because the moon has to move around the entirety of Earth and arrive at the orther side within 12(ish) hours. I've done the math and this isn't right.

Earth's circumference: 24,901.461 mi
Earth's diameter: 7926 mi
Moon's orbit speed: 2,288 miles per hour
North Pole to South Pole: 12,430 miles

To go completely around the supposedly round Earth we get a circumference. Circumference is roughly Dπ (that is, 7926 x 3.14...) right so that's a complete circuit. You'll also note that this is roughly 12 times the moon's orbital speed. Sorry, 10.8833041958042. I'm saying this because I want you to notice something. This is the amount of a complete circuit around the Earth. In other words, in 10.883 hours, it should move from my town, eventually out of sight, and then back into sight. But because the other side of the world is halfway across, this is actually half the circumference, as we discovered when I found out that distance from North Pole to South Pole. That is, 24901.461 / 2 = 12450.7305 / 2288 = 5.441752840909091, that is the moon should be visible in the sky for only 5½ hours.

So let's check out the sky! I'm on Richmond outskirts, so...
10:35 pm moonrise, 9:57 am moonset.  Moon is out anywhere from 11 to 14 hours. The moon is moving nearly twice what it should because apparently scientists cannot do math. Btw, all of these numbers can be easily obtained online.

How does everyone on Earth see the same moon? It's definitely not from it going superfast. In fact, the moon doesn't appear to moving quickly at all. I've already told you, I've done this sort of test with riding in a car. Rather than the moon racing past, the car seemed to stay in sync with the moon. Oh yea, I'm hoping you'll tell me some crap like that the speed of the moon is outset by the rotation of the sun. As I say, I personally know better having gone year after year to an amusement park in southern New Jersey. An experiment in Einstein's relativity. If I am riding on a spinning object, I will still be able to tell the difference between a still and a moving object. At one point, they show video from inside the ride, no matter how the person tried, they would not appear nearly still (Einstein, like Hawking, was a fraud not a genius... his math teachers were right).


So how do we explain this? Simplest explanation being the best, the dome shows us "reality."

In film, they have green screen. But maybe it's more helpful to visualize the holodeck room in Star Trek.
In a holodeck room, you can have things like a light sensor picking up light from an outside source.  Now, I want you to visualize two people holding some kind of device that creates a portable holodeck.  They can move in range of each other. If they do, the holodeck shows both of them the same image (no overlap). 

This is what I mean by a dome. Not some sort of distortion effect like Data perceives, but a sort of opaque room lit indirectly from outside.
And no, I haven't "changed" my explanation. I've been trying to explain this same point since the beginning. The dome is a snowglobe, with an external sun projector.  When sun is nearby, the sensor indicates this and cues the sun based on its distance. Same for the moon.

All of this happens naturally though, not through science. It's a divine-level cosmic magic trick.

The alignment of sun and moon determine phases. Sun is in line with the moon, you get a projection of the moon. If it is not lined up (what we call the X and Z axis), you get a new moon. I can't draw Z axis well, without confusing it and the Y axis, so take my word for it. Not in a direct line, you get phases.

The motive for round Earth? To convince you God isn't real, and the Earth and outer space are. Other way around. God is real, and he made a single simple creation that can easily be managed. It deliberately operates on insane perspective physics.

But let's say you're right! We know from study if light wavelengths that you are not, because different colors of the ultraviolet spectrum travel different lengths before we cannot see them.  For the sun to be... 93 million miles away means all available light would break down before it even entered Earth's atmosphere. Also, at that distance, you wouldn't see the shape of the sun. You'd see this...

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If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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