Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.

Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

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Zero people are trying to erase the past. It's called progress.

Oh really.

Oh, really? So much wokeness...

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Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.   Is that a problem for you?  It sounds like you believe that the big bad woke people punished you for making "decent" white-washed games.   Maybe the game-playing public just doesn't want to play "decent" games and are much more likely to pay for GTA and Red Dead Redemption than a story about people washing Jesus's feet.

(Facepalming so hard my forehead just bled open)

Wokeness is a delusion of open-mindedness.

Perhaps you need to learn to use the dictionary.  Or is that too much like learning about science?

In the 80s, 90s, and 2000s, they wanted equality. For men and women to be treated equally. For people to be colorblind. I lived through this period. I pretty much agree. I went to school with blacks and a few Indians, and we invited over to a house once for curry.

Who is "they"?  Do you have a problem with women earning as much as men for the same job?
Wow! You had curry.  How very open-minded of you.  How sad that you would even think to write about it.

The woke like to pretend nobody thought of equality or better society before them. Uhhh yeah, I worked alongside blacks and Hispanics. Went to China and South Africa, mission trip for South Africa and did teaching in China. The 90s were not a horrible racist period, for the most part it was part of progress toward equality. It wasn't perfect equality,

The 90's

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/daily/9510/10-09/race_poll/index1.html

Oct 4, 1995 — CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll.
Whites and blacks agree that racial discrimination against blacks is a serious problem in the country. But only 29 percent of whites think discrimination is a problem in their own communities, while half of African-Americans think discrimination is a serious problem where they live, according to the latest CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. African- Americans and whites are equally pessimistic that race relations will always be a problem for the United States. At the start of the civil rights movement 22 years ago, a majority of both groups said that a solution would eventually be worked out, but today only four in 10 Americans of either race think that will happen.

Some people have been working for the betterment of all people since the inception of this country.  That's why they disregarded the Bible and made slavery illegal.  That's why there are virtually no more hangings of blacks.  That's why homosexuals are less likely to be dragged behind a car driven by a bunch of Religious Zealots.

but when you erase the past, things don't get better, they get worse.

Erasing history is exactly what the anti-woke movement is about.  You have heard of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, haven't you?



 

Then woke culture tried to erase the past, because it showed a slow crawl towards equality. They'd prefer you believe that even as late as the 90s, ppl were sooooo racist, and then out of nowhere, our enlightened saviors told us about critical race theory, and all of a sudden everything was great. Not at all streets filled with violent squabbling like in CHAZ.

Gibberish.

Here's what's really going on with illegal immigration.

You have no more credibility in this area than you do in science - NONE!

The woke like to shame ppl who never had any problem with legal immigrants, while the woke participate in enabling slave trade, sex trade, drug trade, and the promotion of crime.

Enough of your tiring bullshit.  Show where "woke" people "participate in enabling slave trade, sex trade."

And it's made women, who used to be subject to men and after that equal to men, now homeless on the streets because no man wants them and they want no man. They are a walking mass of insecurities, and wind up collecting food stamps. So progressive!

Riiight!  Women should be subject to men.  Just like your Good Bible says.  Women who are subject to men are the ones with less than nothing when the bossman decides to kick them out.  Progressive (woke) laws give women rights when their men no longer want them. 

Wokeism only puts people into a hole where they're stuck and can't figure a way out.

See above.

Take an honest look at the women in 90s... Now take a look at films like Captain Marvel. 

Let's stick to reality.  Care to address the points I raised?  Or will you take your usual path and deflect and ignore and go on to another subject where you can also show your Biblically induced wilfully ignorance?

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:46:05 PM

Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

BULLSHIT!

Maybe you too need to become aware of what Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has been doing. 
https://amp.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article269675311.html

Ron DeSantis wants to be your guy. And he has a diagnosis for what’s causing such discomfort: “Wokeness.”

There are “woke” teachers. “Woke” corporations. “Woke” elites, which has a subcategory of the “woke” Hollywood elite. There’s also the “woke” mob, a versatile moniker that covers everything from Black Lives Matter protesters to Twitter commentators.

The genius behind DeSantis’ use of this word — “Florida is where woke goes to die,” he said after his reelection — is that it can mean anything to anyone, especially white conservatives frustrated with cultural changes.


What’s worse, he’s using the “woke” moniker to ridicule, scorn and silence those who speak up about those inequalities or who dare to think differently. Not since Trump introduced MAGA into our political vocabulary has a four-letter word encapsulated so much baggage and resentment.

DeSantis' anti-woke campaign is just a continuation of Trump's Make America Great AGAIN!  Great Again like it was back when white men controlled most everything.  That's why he and his don't want actual history taught.   

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:46:05 PM

Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

Can't get more accurate than this.

Quote from: JackBlack on March 02, 2023, 01:01:46 PM

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:46:05 PM

Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

BULLSHIT!

Maybe you too need to become aware of what Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has been doing.

Or maybe you should try to become aware of what the woke crowd is doing?
For example, the atrocious bigotry towards those who think biological sex matters for things like sports?
Or those who think the trans community are trying to turn words into meaningless labels?
Or those speaking out against people actively promoting blatant discrimination in the name of equality?
Or those who wish to treat people as innocent until they are proven to be guilty?

nice try

there's a difference between honouring and erasing.



if you want to be honest - United Daugtheres fo the Confederacy erased the past.
Slaves were happy to come here erased the past.
Southern Switch didn't happen erased the past.
2ndA means 'self defense' erased the past.
Jan06 was peaceful erased the past.

Quote from: JackBlack on March 02, 2023, 01:01:46 PM

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:46:05 PM

Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

Can't get more accurate than this.

Nonsense.  Accurate would be an admission that the MAGA crowd is OK with erasing Americ's racisism.  They have openly stated that they believe that Woke and Critical Race Theory may lead some 21st-century whites to have guilt feelings about America's racism.  We just can't have that, can we?


 

https://www.wptv.com/news/education/floridas-governor-to-sign-critical-race-theory-education-bill-into-law

HIALEAH GARDENS, Fla. — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Friday signed into law a controversial bill that critics said will drastically limit race education in schools.

HB 7, formally called the "Individual Freedom" measure, bans educators from teaching certain topics related to race and is designed, in part, to prevent teachers from making students feel guilt or shame about their race because of historical events.

Maybe, if you were a little more woke (aware), you would know things like that.

Pulling down statues of General Lee is not about erasing history, it is about not revering a soldier who was a traitor to his Country and Constitution.

Or maybe you should try to become aware of what the woke crowd is doing?
For example, the atrocious bigotry towards those who think biological sex matters for things like sports?

Biological sex does matter for things like sports. 

Or those who think the trans community are trying to turn words into meaningless labels?

Examples?  I can't tell if you are criticizing  "those" or "the trans community".

Or those speaking out against people actively promoting blatant discrimination in the name of equality?

Please post some examples of "people actively promoting blatant discrimination in the name of equality".

Or those who wish to treat people as innocent until they are proven to be guilty?

Now you really sound confused.    Wasn't "innocent until proven guilty" around for a long time before this current kerfullfel?

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on March 02, 2023, 06:50:06 PM

Quote from: JackBlack on March 02, 2023, 01:01:46 PM

Quote from: ecco on February 28, 2023, 12:46:05 PM

Woke is awareness.  Woke is open-mindedness.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

Can't get more accurate than this.

Nonsense.  Accurate would be an admission that the MAGA crowd is OK with erasing Americ's racisism.  They have openly stated that they believe that Woke and Critical Race Theory may lead some 21st-century whites to have guilt feelings about America's racism.  We just can't have that, can we?


 

https://www.wptv.com/news/education/floridas-governor-to-sign-critical-race-theory-education-bill-into-law

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HIALEAH GARDENS, Fla. — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Friday signed into law a controversial bill that critics said will drastically limit race education in schools.

HB 7, formally called the "Individual Freedom" measure, bans educators from teaching certain topics related to race and is designed, in part, to prevent teachers from making students feel guilt or shame about their race because of historical events.

Maybe, if you were a little more woke (aware), you would know things like that.

Pulling down statues of General Lee is not about erasing history, it is about not revering a soldier who was a traitor to his Country and Constitution.

Where do you get erasing "America's Racism" from?  Were you born stupid or did you just drink the koolaid.

Racism and Slavery existed long before white people ever ventured into Africa.

Try learning actual history instead of cherry picking parts to fit your naive narrative of the world.

Nonsense.  Accurate would be an admission that the MAGA crowd is OK with erasing Americ's racisism.

No, that would be deflection from the issue at hand.

They have openly stated that they believe that Woke and Critical Race Theory may lead some 21st-century whites to have guilt feelings about America's racism.  We just can't have that, can we?

So you are saying you fully support racism, and trying to make people of a certain race fell bad for what other members of that race have done?

Why should a white person feel guilty just for being white?
That is like saying all Arabian people should feel guilty for for what Osama did.
Or all Black people should feel guilty for all the crimes every committed by black people.
That all Japanese people should feel guilty for Pearl Harbour.

And so on.

That kind of BS would be attacked by the same bigoted people trying to make people feel guilty for being white.

If you support making people feel guilty for being white, then you are racist scum.

HB 7, formally called the "Individual Freedom" measure, bans educators from teaching certain topics related to race and is designed, in part, to prevent teachers from making students feel guilt or shame about their race because of historical events.

So a bill to prevent teachers being racist?
And you are opposed to this?
You want teachers to be racist and to shame people or try to make them feel guilty because of their race?

Biological sex does matter for things like sports.

If that was the case the argument is to entirely remove sex based segregation, but the "woke" crowd doesn't want that, as it means for a lot of sports women can't win.
Instead the "woke" crowd wants to keep up the blatant sexism in sports, but give people passes to violate that sexism.

Examples?  I can't tell if you are criticizing  "those" or "the trans community".

The trans community (in general, I am pointing out the bigoty against people who don't side with the "woke community", in this case it is the bigotry against those who don't agree with the trans community), trying to turn words with meaning into entirely meaningless labels which just serve to divide people.

Please post some examples of "people actively promoting blatant discrimination in the name of equality".

Every heard of affirmative action?
i.e. hiring people on the basis of race, or not hiring people because of their race?
The same happens on the basis of gender or other "diversity" aspects, and in lots of areas.
Where people who don't fulfil diversity goals are actively discriminated against, being denied opportunities on the basis of their race, sex, sexual orientation, accepting their sex, and so on.

There are plenty of cases where any male applicant is rejected just for being male because they want a female to fill the role.
And likewise, where white people are rejected just for being white, because they want a black person to fill the role

Now you really sound confused.

No, that would be (but understandable given poor phrasing).
Again, it is the bigotry against those who want to treat people as innocent until proven guilty, instead of trying to join a mob calling for all sorts of horrible things against an individual accused of a crime, even without evidence of that crime; where the mere accusation is deemed to destroy their life.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

I see the opposite.

In the UK no one describes themselves as woke, but that doesn’t stop politicians declaring a “war on wokeness”.

What do they mean?  Pretty much anything- environmentalism, racial equality, gay and trans rights, human rights, treatment of refugees, acknowledging the shady parts of our history, etc, etc.

Lots of different complex subjects, all bundled together under the term “woke”.  It’s used to discredit arguments from people they label “woke”, with the clear message “these people are not like us”.

It’s called othering.

No it isn't.
These days being "woke" is being close minded and incredibly bigoted of anyone who doesn't fully agree.
Where someone making a reasonable objection, or even just asking a question can be attacked and labelled as a bigot just for not agreeing with BS.

Its the same with covid.
The antiva-skers sucked up all the air so that no senseible discussion could be made.
Hard lines had to been drawn.

So its assumed if youre antiwoke youre part of the bigot crowd just like if youre republican youre assumed maga and youre assumed racist selfish gun nut pos.

What can you do.

Also
The crazies on the alt right and the hippyleft arent equal.
There are crazies on both sides.
But the sides arent equal.

Lots of different complex subjects, all bundled together under the term “woke”.  It’s used to discredit arguments from people they label “woke”, with the clear message “these people are not like us”.

It’s called othering.

This.
It's such a meaningless term precisely because it gets used like this. 'Woke' is being for and against a dozen separate issues simultaneously depending on what you feel like condemning today. Any nuance, discussion, legitimate objection, all done away with just so long as you can namecall.
It's basically the same as how the US right-wing treats the word socialism. There are things that are legitimately socialist, and can be discussed, but when people use it as shorthand for 'things I don't like,' it's diluted to the point of meaninglessness because someone can describe something as socialist, and be describing anything from hardline communism to centre-right policy.

Ditto, being 'woke' covers everything from basic social awareness and don't-be-a-dickness, to every self-righteous dumb teenager with twitter looking for a fight.
Insisting that woke means one particular thing is never going to end well.

But think about who theows 'socialist  commie marxist woke-mob crt' around?

Is it the cancel culture on the left?

Who are the "i dont like it' crowd?


Hint.
Team red hat.

Where do you get erasing "America's Racism" from?  Were you born stupid or did you just drink the koolaid.

DeSantis doesn't want White Americans to feel guilt about America's racist past.  He has banned CRT in Florida schools.  He denigrates WOKE...

What does woke mean in politics?
By the mid-20th century, woke had come to mean 'well-informed' or 'aware', especially in a political or cultural sense.

Personally, I have no problem trying to be "well-informed or aware, especially in a political or cultural sense."

Racism and Slavery existed long before white people ever ventured into Africa.

 Try learning actual history instead of cherry picking parts to fit your naive narrative of the world.

Of course "Racism and Slavery" have existed throughout the history of man.  However, that is not what is being discussed here. 

What is being discussed here is the current kerfuffal about racism and slavery.  What is being discussed here is the part people like (probable Republican presidential candidate) Ron DeSantis is doing to gather white right-wing Christian conservative voters to his side by banning books and teaching that are offense to these people - including open discussions and teachings about racism and slavery.

Critical race theory
noun
a set of ideas holding that racial bias is inherent in many parts of western society, especially in its legal and social institutions, on the basis of their having been primarily designed for and implemented by white people.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a42888929/ron-desantis-banned-list/

PEN America compiled a list of 176 books that were removed from classrooms in Duval County, Florida, last year because they fell afoul of new laws passed by the Florida legislature and signed by DeSantis.

Was there a statue of General Lee in Richmond, VA because Lee was a great American or because he represented the slave-owning South?

Quote from: ecco on March 03, 2023, 04:19:22 PM

Nonsense.  Accurate would be an admission that the MAGA crowd is OK with erasing Americ's racisism.
 
They have openly stated that they believe that Woke and Critical Race Theory may lead some 21st-century whites to have guilt feelings about America's racism.  We just can't have that, can we?

So you are saying you fully support racism, and trying to make people of a certain race fell bad for what other members of that race have done?

Why should a white person feel guilty just for being white?
 

Did I say a white person should feel guilty just for being white?  Nope.  I didn't.  So why do you need to try to build a strawman? 

DeSantis doesn't want White Americans to feel guilt about America's racist past.

You mean he doesn't want racist scum trying to shame people because of their race?

Again, why should white Americans feel guilty about America's past?
Why shouldn't all American's feel that same guilt regardless of race, or none of them feel that guilt, regardless of race?

Personally, I have no problem trying to be "well-informed or aware, especially in a political or cultural sense."

Then try to remain well-informed and aware, rather than clinging to a definition that is half a century old and doesn't reflect how the political and cultural climate has changed.

Did I say a white person should feel guilty just for being white?  Nope.  I didn't.  So why do you need to try to build a strawman?

No, but you certainly implied with how you opposed people opposing such things.

Did you even bother reading what you provided?
Here a key part is again:
"is designed, in part, to prevent teachers from making students feel guilt or shame about their race"

Why oppose that unless you want to permit teachers to make students feel guilt about their race?

I know, now you have said that you want to just flee from it because of how racist it makes you appear, and you don't have any rational way to respond to save your position, just like you ignored the rest of my post.

But it's too late for that.

That does appear to be a key part of CRT, trying to present the narrative that white people's success comes not from them, but from their race, and that if they weren't white they wouldn't have that success; in effect trying to make white people feel guilty for being white.
All while it is based upon blatant racism and ignores other factors (or pretends that those other factors perfectly correlate to race), which just serves to promote racism against white people, penalising white people for being white and denying them opportunities given to others; with blatant racism supporting allegedly discriminated against groups.
For example, where 2 people who are equal, but one is white and one is black, results in the black person getting bonus points and allowed into things while the white person is excluded on the basis of their race. This can even happen where an otherwise merit based system would rank the white person first and the black person after the white person, but then gives the black person bonus points to admit them but not the white person.

Quote from: ecco on March 05, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

Did I say a white person should feel guilty just for being white?  Nope.  I didn't.  So why do you need to try to build a strawman?

No, but you certainly implied with how you opposed people opposing such things.

Did you even bother reading what you provided?
Here a key part is again:
"is designed, in part, to prevent teachers from making students feel guilt or shame about their race"

Why oppose that unless you want to permit teachers to make students feel guilt about their race?

According to DeStantis.  If you unquestioningly believe his spin that teaching students about racial inequality makes white kids feel guilt or shame.  People who think the likes of DeSantis are full of crap might just question the validity of that premise.

So what's the other part, I wonder? 

According to DeStantis.  If you unquestioningly believe his spin that teaching students about racial inequality makes white kids feel guilt or shame.  People who think the likes of DeSantis are full of crap might just question the validity of that premise.

Not just according to DeStantis.
And it isn't just about teaching about racial inequality.
Is the specific tenants of CRT which promote racism.

Does jackblack follow the thomas sowell?

Quote from: Unconvinced on March 06, 2023, 01:10:46 AM

According to DeStantis.  If you unquestioningly believe his spin that teaching students about racial inequality makes white kids feel guilt or shame.  People who think the likes of DeSantis are full of crap might just question the validity of that premise.

Not just according to DeStantis.
And it isn't just about teaching about racial inequality.
Is the specific tenants of CRT which promote racism.

The basic tenant is that there’s a complex set of social, cultural and historical factors that affect racial inequality.  Ie it’s not just about whether people are actively discriminated against.

It’s not about racism against white people.

Why do we not see you in the other bit of the forum anyway?

Does jackblack follow the thomas sowell?

I have no idea who that is.

The basic tenant is that there’s a complex set of social, cultural and historical factors that affect racial inequality.  Ie it’s not just about whether people are actively discriminated against.

And that boils down to claiming that white people are successful because they are white and black people aren't because they are black.

As I said, what it fails to do is look at other factors (or instead pretends that those other factors are intrinsically tied to race and pretending that you can target those factors by targeting race.

So yes, it is actively promoting racism.

If it wasn't actively promoting racism, they would be targeting those other factors, not race.
For example, they would focus on socioeconomic status, where poor people, especially those that need to work to live in high school, get bonus points.
But that would allow poor white people to get bonus points while rich black people wouldn't be able to.

Instead they take the correlation between black people on average having a lower socioeconomic status and white people having a higher socioeconomic status to pretend that all black people are poor and should get bonus points, including the rich black kids with private tutors; while also pretending white kids are privileged and can all afford private tutors and never have to work so they shouldn't get bonus points.

Unless you have active discrimination against a group of people, race isn't the factor you should be looking at.
Instead you should look at other factors and target them.

Why do we not see you in the other bit of the forum anyway?

Because I prefer to focus more on discussions regarding the FE instead of the political or religious back and forth, and will only engage if they appear here.
But if there is a particular discussion you want me to weigh in on feel free to link it.

Unless you have active discrimination against a group of people, race isn't the factor you should be looking at.
Instead you should look at other factors and target them.

Correct
Actual CRT studies the systemic racism.


Critical race theory (CRT) is a cross-disciplinary examination – by social and civil-rights scholars and activists – of how laws, social and political movements, and media shape, and are shaped by, social conceptions of race and ethnicity.













Thomas sowell is an economist with mostly bad logic and theories.
Saying crt promotes racism is one of his talking points.
Asking you is me just gaging your views in relation to him to assume your stance on life.

Correct
Actual CRT studies the systemic racism.

And my point is that the systemic racism is typically not actually current racism. It is not people actively being racist.
Instead, it is predominately past racism which has resulted in certain conditions which are highly correlated with race, which should be addressed by targeting those other conditions, not race.

and my point is that it is active and current racism as per relevancy of old video.

tehre are the unknowningly racist
and there are the knowingly racist.

actual CRT is the study of laws and policy.

saying black people can't swim is general racism.
vs
saying black people can't swim because they were banned from swimming pools in the 50s and no investment to encourage swimming programs and shutting defunding of public pools as rich white people moved to the burbs and black people were not "given" homes or were redlined etcetcetcetcc...


but then again i've never taken CRT and going by the 30sce i took to look it up.

saying black people can't swim because they were banned from swimming pools in the 50s and no investment to encourage swimming programs and shutting defunding of public pools as rich white people moved to the burbs and black people were not "given" homes or were redlined etcetcetcetcc...

Is also racism.

Saying black people are poor and can't afford private tutors or food to live is also racism.

Again, treat the actual issues rather than pretending it is race.

it's not
saying black people are by nature poor and arent' smart enough for tutors or know how to spend their money properly is racism.
there's a difference between acknowleding people are in a generalized predicment vs because they deserve their predicament.

it's not
saying black people are by nature poor and arent' smart enough for tutors or know how to spend their money properly is racism.
there's a difference between acknowleding people are in a generalized predicment vs because they deserve their predicament.

It is racism.
There is a difference between saying a group on average is poorer than another group; and saying that all members of that group deserve benefits because of the group average.

Like I said, target the actual issue, not race.
In this case, target the lack of wealth.
Why should a rich black kid be given benefits because black people on average are poor, while a much poorer white kid is discarded because white people on average are richer.
That is blatant racism and is completely unjustifiable.
Targeting the actual issue, wealth, would mean the rich black doesn't get any benefits for being black, because being black isn't the issue, just like a rich white kid with a private tutor wouldn't get benefits; while the poor black kids and poor white kids would get benefits for being poor.

Quote from: Themightykabool on March 07, 2023, 01:24:35 PM

it's not
saying black people are by nature poor and arent' smart enough for tutors or know how to spend their money properly is racism.
there's a difference between acknowleding people are in a generalized predicment vs because they deserve their predicament.

It is racism.
There is a difference between saying a group on average is poorer than another group; and saying that all members of that group deserve benefits because of the group average.

Like I said, target the actual issue, not race.
In this case, target the lack of wealth.
Why should a rich black kid be given benefits because black people on average are poor, while a much poorer white kid is discarded because white people on average are richer.
That is blatant racism and is completely unjustifiable.
Targeting the actual issue, wealth, would mean the rich black doesn't get any benefits for being black, because being black isn't the issue, just like a rich white kid with a private tutor wouldn't get benefits; while the poor black kids and poor white kids would get benefits for being poor.

i don't htink anyone is arguing that dave chappelle or shaq are poor.
or that obama or condoleezza aren't smart people.
gov't deals with big numbers.
policy is based on big numbers.
it's harder to make individualized plans on a policy level.
to benefit the 50-80% or whatever the number is and have a handful "over benefit"?
is that a problem?



and as per the old video, keeping them poor is by design.
some will get "through".