How would a load cell weigh without gravity?

Better visualization equals better math.

Ah, you're a "real" engineer.

My uncle Jim and my grandpa were both real engineers. They managed to get jobs at it, unlike me. You know what I noticed about them?

It wasn't the math background or science background. It was how you could just tell that They had the ability to visualize things. Like this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/templegrandin/2019/10/07/temple-grandin-why-visual-thinking-is-a-different-approach-to-problem-solving/?sh=63bf79f26a0d

You can just look at something you want to put together and be like "and this nail needs to go in that way to hang this, and we're gonna put a bit on that, and then apply this much torque." and you see all of it being done. That's engineering, and it what nobody could teach you, but I sanity of these relatives have. I have it too. My father has book smarts but frankly, he can't do that. And it shows.

Real engineers make models that work because they know how objects behave in space. Then they often have to explain the math (I hated that "there's no wrong answer but we need you to show your work" bullshit that started creeping in with the rise of Common Core) to superiors. Sometimes it isn't about the math, it's visualizing the effect.

Fake engineers flood pages with fake math to mask their inadequacies. So no, we were talking about REAL engineers.

I don't think either my late grandpa nor my uncle have been FE types, but of them, the only one who might have used gravity formulas was my grandpa (space program, and helped design the suits). Jim probably did not unless an overseer demanded some extra hot bullshit.

There is NO evidence that an invading extraterrestrial life would use our math.

Ohm’s law states that the voltage across a conductor is directly proportional to the current flowing through it, provided all physical conditions and temperatures remain constant.
Mathematically, this current-voltage relationship is written as,

v=IR

https://byjus.com/physics/ohms-law/

That is, if my ability to visualize didn't include the object's momentum, I would wind up getting hit by said branch as it continues to roll or bounces back.

Math, in the other hand, is decided by people with plenty of leisure time, but not necessarily any real world experience.

Meanwhile, a super-intelligent race would be able to show us how to build their machines by touching their fingers/tentacles to our foreheads, or bombarding us with psionic waves. .

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 05, 2022, 07:14:57 AM

Ah, you're a "real" engineer.

My uncle Jim and my grandpa were both real engineers. They managed to get jobs at it, unlike me. You know what I noticed about them?

It wasn't the math background or science background. It was how you could just tell that They had the ability to visualize things. Like this.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/templegrandin/2019/10/07/temple-grandin-why-visual-thinking-is-a-different-approach-to-problem-solving/?sh=63bf79f26a0d

What a strange article.  I’ve never met an engineer who doesn’t visualize what they they are trying to design.  How much maths you need to do to ensure it works properly and safely is very dependent on the application.  But even when you’re just using judgement and experience, it’s important to understand the underlying principles.  Same goes for simulations like FEA and CFD.  You need to understand what the computer is doing to avoid getting garbage results.

The example disasters have nothing to do with engineers using maths, but appear to be straight negligence.  We use other techniques like failure mode and effect analysis to anticipate everything that might go wrong and mitigate risk.  A single fault should never cause a dangerous situation, full stop.  If the article is right about the plane sensor in particular, then they fucked up badly and violated a bunch of regulations.

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You can just look at something you want to put together and be like "and this nail needs to go in that way to hang this, and we're gonna put a bit on that, and then apply this much torque." and you see all of it being done. That's engineering, and it what nobody could teach you, but I sanity of these relatives have. I have it too. My father has book smarts but frankly, he can't do that. And it shows.

You can do that up to a point.  But not if you need to know something accurately.

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Real engineers make models that work because they know how objects behave in space. Then they often have to explain the math (I hated that "there's no wrong answer but we need you to show your work" bullshit that started creeping in with the rise of Common Core) to superiors. Sometimes it isn't about the math, it's visualizing the effect.

In a school or university exam, you’ll get marks for doing it mostly right, but making a mistake.  In the real world, if you fuck it up, you are wrong.  But yes, we do understand how objects work in space.

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Fake engineers flood pages with fake math to mask their inadequacies. So no, we were talking about REAL engineers.

Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make it fake. 

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I don't think either my late grandpa nor my uncle have been FE types, but of them, the only one who might have used gravity formulas was my grandpa (space program, and helped design the suits). Jim probably did not unless an overseer demanded some extra hot bullshit.

Interesting.  I wonder what you grandpa would make of your claims that it was all bullshit?  I somehow doubt he’d be impressed.

There’d certainly be plenty of maths in designing space suits, because screwing it up would be really bad.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 30, 2022, 04:11:11 AM

Quote from: Stash on November 29, 2022, 10:38:32 AM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 29, 2022, 06:42:34 AM

If the Earth was indeed constantly spinning, rather than gravity pulling things down, we would very easily note that people and objects were lifted aloft.

Now stare at the tip of a second hand on a clock for 24 hours. Would you be flung from the tip if you were sitting on it?

If you're using a second-hand pointer tip as your Earth spin then how do you want to argue a bulging equator due to Earth spin?

You can't have it both ways.

You realize the "bulge" at the equator is a mere 43 km on a diameter of about 12,700 kilometers? That's a 0.33% difference. So yes, I can have it both ways.

Quote from: Stash on November 30, 2022, 02:24:37 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 30, 2022, 04:11:11 AM

Quote from: Stash on November 29, 2022, 10:38:32 AM

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 29, 2022, 06:42:34 AM

If the Earth was indeed constantly spinning, rather than gravity pulling things down, we would very easily note that people and objects were lifted aloft.

Now stare at the tip of a second hand on a clock for 24 hours. Would you be flung from the tip if you were sitting on it?

If you're using a second-hand pointer tip as your Earth spin then how do you want to argue a bulging equator due to Earth spin?

You can't have it both ways.

You realize the "bulge" at the equator is a mere 43 km on a diameter of about 12,700 kilometers? That's a 0.33% difference. So yes, I can have it both ways.

No you can't have it both ways.
Trying to offer a 43km bulge as nothing significant doesn't offer anything at all as an argument against using your Earth spin of over 1000 mph at your equator whilst also using the very same spin as a second-hand pointer tip on a clock.

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

Quote from: Stash on December 07, 2022, 08:24:55 AM

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.
The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 07, 2022, 08:32:36 AM

Quote from: Stash on December 07, 2022, 08:24:55 AM

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.
The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

Clearly you don't understand scale.

Quote from: Stash on December 07, 2022, 08:24:55 AM

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.

The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on December 07, 2022, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 07, 2022, 08:32:36 AM

Quote from: Stash on December 07, 2022, 08:24:55 AM

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.
The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

Clearly you don't understand scale.

clearly you don't understand the contradiction.

Quote from: Stash on December 07, 2022, 08:24:55 AM

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.
The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 07, 2022, 08:32:36 AM

Quote from: Stash on December 07, 2022, 08:24:55 AM

Considering how massive earth actually is, yes, you can. What is the size of your earth?

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.
The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

To say nothing of the fact that any object on a spinning object (like that second hand) would fall off immediately, especially at that speed. I do not understand how they think this proves the Earth DOES spin.

And why in God's name should I stare at a clock for 24 hours when you won't even put up with a five minute video about the parabola?

When I asked our real engineer he never once mentioned that he actually did this, leading me to believe he doesn't and just used math.

You can visualize wrong and you can do math wrong. But humans are visual creatures. It is far more easy to enter the wrong number in the equation than it is to not see something right due to repeated experiences.

We are told that order of operations should ALWAYS be done. This is a faulty premise. A school teacher doing grade averaging will average like nine grades:
24+34+56+75+85+12+98+99+94/9

So what if your premise pertaining to gravity is wrong?

If I am able to accurately visualize where things will fall and roll, does it make any difference if I have an engineering degree or not?

No you can't have it both ways.
Trying to offer a 43km bulge as nothing significant doesn't offer anything at all as an argument against using your Earth spin of over 1000 mph at your equator whilst also using the very same spin as a second-hand pointer tip on a clock.

It doesn't matter how big my Earth is. My Earth does not spin.
The one you follow is said to spin and the argument for the spin is a bulging equator and flattened poles, regardless of you mentioning only 43km bulging like it's nothing.

The issue is, it apparently bulges due to spin speed and this spin speed happens against a vacuum as we're led to believe which becomes weirder as it goes.

Then to argue against water not cascading off or all kinds of issues being flung off the argument then about turns to use the second hand of a clock rotation over 24 hours as some kind of offering for why everything now becomes close to no spin.

Surely even you must see the absolute ridiculousness of this.

clearly you don't understand the contradiction.

To say nothing of the fact that any object on a spinning object (like that second hand) would fall off immediately

I do not understand how they think this proves the Earth DOES spin.

And why in God's name should I stare at a clock for 24 hours when you won't even put up with a five minute video about the parabola?

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 06, 2022, 06:31:41 AM

Meanwhile, a super-intelligent race would be able to show us how to build their machines by touching their fingers/tentacles to our foreheads, or bombarding us with psionic waves. .

In the real world.  I like to volunteer on the weekends for wheelchair ramp builds.  For a while we had a person that would go to sites during the week and survey the area and try to do the “math” to design and draw out the layout and dimensions.  Because they couldn’t do the math and couldn’t use the design program that assisted with the math. A project that under a good planner that was properly calculated and dimensioned should take a day would take a few weekends.  Because of bad math, each project would have to be recalculated on site.  If the slope vs run was too steep, it would be useless to the person in the wheel. The wheelchair ramp wouldn’t be up to code.  By the math not being right, it often lead to cost overruns and a waste of donated money in the form of wasted wood, or buying extra wood.  Waste of available volunteer time.  The longer it took one project, the less projects that got done in a year.  Often lead to extra digging and dirt moving.

When the organization finally got a competent designer that could do the math, calculate the proper slope vs run with turns for the wheelchair ramps in small yards, and assess the changes in yard elevations, calculate out the proper board cut lists, could purchase the proper needed amount of lumber, and provide good drawings with accurate dimensions.  Projects came in on cost and time.  More could get done each year.  Donated money and volunteer’s time went father and was more efficiently budgeted and allocated.  All because someone could actually use and dimension in “math”.

Repaired our house, made a dartboard, repaired our patio (though we suck at painting and wood rot routinely destroys the house or patio again), etc. My dad is not an engineer and uses practically no math, but this sorta method was close enough. Also I put together a mailbox and a bluebird house pole, and we made our garden fencing.

We know where we fail in math, so we don't do it that way, and we get it done.

No, I didn't use a parabola, smartass.

Can I make a Kindle? No, I can't. And I worked in Amazon fulfilment for about half a year. Can you build a Kindle? No, you can't. Does this have anything to do with gravity, engineering degrees, or the weight of a load cell? No, it doesn't.

That lean forward has thwarted most attempts to use gravel or cement to stop it, cementing in my mind the idea that mass in motion, is far more evident than the supposed force of gravity that is supposed to be holding the object down.

The mailbox is eventually going to fall apart

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 09, 2022, 04:03:05 AM

No, I didn't use a parabola, smartass.

So why is your argument that people don't use gravity to build mailboxes if you don't use your replacement "theory" either?

This is how perspective works over long distances. For the vast amount of the world we live in, it is not relevant. You need it to understand that when you are standing in flat level ground for miles, you actually standing on flat level ground. If this were not the case, an island as level as a sponge for several miles would be impossible to build structures on. Trees would likewise be unstable. But no, even accounting for my shifty level here, people are in fact able to build house on mile after mile of land. NYC is 300+ sq mi, its very existence proof there is no curvature as not only roads and bridges but buildings should have creased at the seams. Yet NYC is very much level and in perfect shape. So much for your "theory" that the Earth curves. It is a FACT that these buildings are standing upright.

Curvature and gravity are the COVID of the architectural world. They are used as a shifty excuse for things failing. But this we built this city. We built this city on solid ground. (and yes I do like to create song links)

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on December 09, 2022, 04:03:05 AM

Can I make a Kindle? No, I can't. And I worked in Amazon fulfilment for about half a year. Can you build a Kindle? No, you can't. Does this have anything to do with gravity, engineering degrees, or the weight of a load cell? No, it doesn't.

Actually, yes, it does. More so than you moving boxes in a warehouse for 6 months. It's already been shown to you that engineers/designers of your Kindle use gravity as a  part of their calculations for creating a working accelerometer inside your device. So your argument that they don't is moot.

Yes, because you've built a kindle, and know all about this. And surely gravity and not adding microchips filled with code is the important part. Thanks for the enlightenment here.




How one actually makes a cellphone/kindle/smart device. Notice he doesn't mention gravity, despite the globalist secular humanity bias of the anime.

So that leaves us with, how might these folks use your parabola calculations instead to better build accelerometers and waterwheels? Ancillary is the irony that the Kindle that you hold in your hand uses gravity.

"Uses gravity". You keep saying that, but it's not real. It has mass like all objects. No part of its function "uses gravity". I can press the off switch upside-down or sideways. It turns just as off whether I exert pressure straight down, lying flat, sideways or even sitting above my hand. The same is true of volume, up is up, down is down. I may get confused if I'm holding it a strange way, but none of these features are affected. The triangle, circle, square? The keyvoard? The touchscreen? No I'm currently lying on the bed with the device overhead, typing this. The kindle does not "use gravity".

What does a sponge have to do with anything?

What do those cartoons have to do with anything?

I have not built a Kindle. But it has already been shown to you with actual evidence that a very necessary component inside your Kindle and smartphones and tablets is an accelerometer that utilizes gravity as part of the coded calculations so the device knows where it is and how its moving through space. That you can't deny.

Now if you have better calculations and code that Kindles, smartphones, and tablets should be using, please feel free to publish it.

Just as a refresher...

(Accelerometer formulas)

Optical Gyroscopes
Unlike mechanical or gas-bearing gyroscopes, optical gyroscopes do not rely on a rotating wheel or bearing. Optical gyroscopes are not based on the conservation of angular momentum. These gyroscopes use two coils of fiber optic cable spun in different orientations. According to the Sagnac Effect, when the device is tilted, the two beans of light will travel different distances, which can be measured. Since there are no moving parts, fiber optic gyroscopes are very durable and are used in modern rocketry and spacecraft.

Quote from: Stash on December 09, 2022, 11:50:21 PM

What does a sponge have to do with anything?

What do those cartoons have to do with anything?

I have not built a Kindle. But it has already been shown to you with actual evidence that a very necessary component inside your Kindle and smartphones and tablets is an accelerometer that utilizes gravity as part of the coded calculations so the device knows where it is and how its moving through space. That you can't deny.

Now if you have better calculations and code that Kindles, smartphones, and tablets should be using, please feel free to publish it.

Just as a refresher...

A sponge is flat.

Had you actually bothered watching, Dr Stone is an anime about a guy restarting tech after most of Earth is destroyed by a plague (that turns ppl to stone). These arw the components and principles behind cellphones. Gravity is not. 

Th is is the bullshit explanation behind why accelerometers work.

We're even assuming it does use an accelerometer. 

They lied.