No gravity, what applies a force to a waterwheel mill?

The first reference to a water wheel dates back to around 4000 BC. Vitruvius, an engineer who died in 14 AD, has been credited with creating and using a vertical water wheel during Roman times.

It doesn't have to be a gravity that conforms to the theory of gravity for it to explain things falling There is a force pushing objects down, but that force is not gravity.

Gravity is not a proven force in a laboratory setting.

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This chapter describes the gravity-measuring instruments. Gravity instruments measure either gravity differences or absolute gravity. Gravimeters measure gravity differences on land and, with modifications, at sea. Pendulums were used to measure gravity differences on land, and with special design, in a submerged submarine. Falling-body apparatuses are used to measure absolute gravity in the laboratory; reversible pendulums were used to obtain these measurements. A gravimeter is an instrument that measures extremely small changes in weight. The weight of a mass varies with changes in the gravitational field. Gravimeters consist of a mass attached to a coiled spring, a torsion fiber, or a vibrating string. Stable-type meters provide gravity readings that are linear over relatively wide ranges of scale reading. Unstable meters are nonlinear but have higher sensitivities. All gravimeters are affected by small mechanical changes in the course of measuring gravity differences. Resultant time variations in measurement are slow, but can be rapid. These variations are called “meter drift.” Earth-tide gravimeters measure gravity variations at a fixed station with the high accuracies needed to make analyzes of the various tidal components. Absolute gravity can be determined by measuring the time during which a body falls in free motion through a known distance, or measuring the distance for a known time.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0422989408711553

On the contrary, at the micro level, objects do not attract each other, there is no such thing. Just simply, everything falls down.

Cavendish Experiment

https://sciencedemonstrations.fas.harvard.edu/presentations/cavendish-experiment

Calculation of gravitational constant, with accompanying apparatus model.

What it shows
The gravitational attraction between lead spheres. The data from the demonstration can also be used to calculate the universal gravitational constant G.

It is not necessary to believe in a fictional, hallucinatory BS like gravity to explain that everything is falling.

Also, falling objects cannot exceed a certain speed,

Terminal velocity is the maximum velocity (speed) attainable by an object as it falls through a fluid (air is the most common example). It occurs when the sum of the drag force (Fd) and the buoyancy is equal to the downward force of gravity (FG) acting on the object. Since the net force on the object is zero, the object has zero acceleration.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity

and this situation is clearly against the gravitational formula.

There are many studies on this subject, you can research it. In fact, I have a study on this subject, somewhere outthere.

Wow, you ppl really don't understand anything.

Water. Water applies motion to a water wheel.

In physics, work is the energy transferred to or from an object via the application of force along a displacement.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_(physics)

Work done by gravity Formula


The equation is written
W = m*g*h

https://www.softschools.com/formulas/physics/work_done_by_gravity_formula/652/

Sigh... Look, the downward motion

that you see of water is from the wheel turning not some force

Quote from: wise on November 07, 2022, 03:27:47 AM

It doesn't have to be a gravity that conforms to the theory of gravity for it to explain things falling There is a force pushing objects down, but that force is not gravity.

Gravity by any name is still gravity.

Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on November 07, 2022, 04:01:18 AM

Quote from: wise on November 07, 2022, 03:27:47 AM

It doesn't have to be a gravity that conforms to the theory of gravity for it to explain things falling There is a force pushing objects down, but that force is not gravity.

Gravity by any name is still gravity.

No, it's not. But gravity likes to sign its name for other forces. If I open a dam, and water rushes in at gallon after gallon, and this pushes the dam's wheels...
You're gonna still call this gravity, when it is obviously not.  This isn't downward force from the earth, this is just water hitting some and continuing to push at it. This is how non-waterfall type of water wheels work. The volume of water keeps pressing against the wheels until they shift.

If a bunch of people slam into a door to force it open, is it the force of gravity? If you said yes, nothing you say can be trusted from now on.

If a bunch of people slam into a door to force it open, is it the force of gravity? If you said yes, nothing you say can be trusted from now on.

It doesn't have to be a gravity that conforms to the theory of gravity for it to explain things falling There is a force pushing objects down, but that force is not gravity. Gravity is not a proven force in a laboratory setting.

On the contrary, at the micro level, objects do not attract each other, there is no such thing.

It is not necessary to believe in a fictional, hallucinatory BS like gravity to explain that everything is falling.

Also, falling objects cannot exceed a certain speed, and this situation is clearly against the gravitational formula.

Wow, you ppl really don't understand anything.

Water. Water applies motion to a water wheel.

because water weighs more than empty air

Well before anyone believed in gravity

But forces are not the only things that move things.

If I open a dam, and water rushes in at gallon after gallon, and this pushes the dam's wheels

If a bunch of people slam into a door to force it open, is it the force of gravity?

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Quote from: DataOverFlow2022 on November 07, 2022, 04:01:18 AM

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You've suddenly turned from a knight-templar advocating globalism in defense of the bible to a devoted (so called) scientist.

Although the Cavendish experiment was done 200 years ago, no one has ever been able to replicate the experiment.

Now I cannot list the precise details of every experiment but here are the results all the "Cavendish type" measurements up to the year 2000:

Results of gravitational constant measurements till 2000.

As seen above gravitation has been measured quite accurately numerous times and demonstrated in ways that can be easily seen many many times.
Here's a few:

The Cavendish experiment and G, Genevieve Roeder-Hensley

Cavendish Experiment Revisited, Andrew Bennett

Cavendish experiment, proving mass derived gravity, flat earth debunker

The Cavendish Experiment at Bishop O'Connell High School, Inside Science

DeHaan Cavendish Balance, James DeHaan

Universal Gravitation Demonstration, Nick Merrill

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Quote from: Stash on November 07, 2022, 09:45:03 PM

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You're asking for help from the dead, haha. If his theories were valid, you'd be texting him right now, not me.

None of these are real experiments.

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Quote from: Stash on November 07, 2022, 09:45:03 PM

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You're asking for help from the dead, haha. If his theories were valid, you'd be texting him right now, not me.

None of these are real experiments.

How would you know that?

Quote from: Stash on November 07, 2022, 09:52:48 PM

Quote from: wise on November 07, 2022, 09:47:55 PM

Quote from: Stash on November 07, 2022, 09:45:03 PM

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You're asking for help from the dead, haha. If his theories were valid, you'd be texting him right now, not me.

None of these are real experiments.

How would you know that?

They're all amateurs, fraudulent, some don't even have any experiments at all.

You can't prove something that doesn't exist. When you stand next to a mountain does it pull you towards itself? The easiest experiment that everybody can easily do proves Cavendish experiment is a fraud.

Although the Cavendish experiment was done 200 years ago, no one has ever been able to replicate the experiment. Clearly this remains a fraud.

When you stand next to a mountain does it pull you towards itself? The easiest experiment that everybody can easily do proves Cavendish experiment is a fraud.

defense of the bible to a devoted (so called) scientist.

Although the Cavendish experiment was done 200 years ago, no one has ever been able to replicate the experiment.

Physicists Just Made The Smallest Gravitational Field Measurement Ever

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-have-taken-the-smallest-gravitational-field-measurement-yet/amp




Westphal and colleagues modified the Cavendish Experiment for their tests of gravitational attraction on a small scale. Their masses were tiny gold spheres, each just 1 millimeter in radius and 92 milligrams in weight.

On these scales, the team needed to account for a number of sources of perturbations. Two gold spheres were attached to a horizontal glass rod at a separation of 40 millimeters. One of the spheres was the test mass, the other the counterbalance; a third sphere, the source mass, was moved near the test mass to create a gravitational interaction.

A Faraday shield was used to block the spheres from interacting electromagnetically, and the experiment was conducted in a vacuum chamber to prevent acoustic and seismic interference

A laser was bounced off a mirror in the center of the rod to a detector. As the rod twisted, the movement of the laser on the detector indicated how much gravitational force was being exerted - and moving the source mass allowed the team to precisely map the gravitational field generated by the two masses.

The researchers found that, even at these small scales, Newton's universal law of gravitation still holds firm. From their measurements, they were even able to calculate the gravitational, or Newton's, constant (G), deriving a value just 9 percent from the internationally recommended value. This discrepancy can, they said, be entirely covered by the uncertainties in their experiment, which was not designed to measure G.

In all, their result shows that even smaller measurements may be undertaken in the future.

Here are still the same pointless arguments, the same garbage ideas,

Unsurprisingly, global fraud is still going on here.

Here are still the same pointless arguments, the same garbage ideas

Quote from: wise on November 08, 2022, 12:27:26 AM

Unsurprisingly, global fraud is still going on here.

Yes, your fraud which spans the globe is still going on.

You can't provide any replacement for gravity,
Buoyancy, cohesion, momentum, and other forces

nor any reason to think these countless experiments like cavendish are fraudulent.

I can think of several billion or maybe even trillions. If you didn't get it: money. There is money to be had from organizations like NASA, as well as fake tours to Antarctica. Anyone actually trying to explore Antarc tend to either get the nondisclosure agreement, is taken somewhere fake by professional tour guides, or gets arrested or shot. Finding out that we are effectively trapped inside a snowglobe would put a sudden and dramatic halt to the government handouts, and alot of useless tools would need to get real jobs. Instead, people like Hawking get paid to come up with nonsense theories, and actual science slows down (seriously, you think you can tell me the difference between Apple iPhone models? Nothing really new or revolutionary gets invented by most scientists).

Quote from: wise on November 08, 2022, 12:27:26 AM

Here are still the same pointless arguments, the same garbage ideas

That does seem to be all you have, pointless arguments and garbage ideas.
Never anything that can withstand scrutiny.

Do you know wht you are so certain the Earth is a globe?I
https://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-global-earth-scam-exposed.html

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The reason people go berserk when you tell them that the earth is stationary and flat is because it is a vital part of their church's dogma. Dogma does not allow for rational discussion but must be accepted by blind faith. From their very first day in the classroom, children are exposed to a visual aid called a GLOBE. Because of the ubiquitous globe symbol, people become GLOBETARDS and remain so for the rest of their brainwashed lives

Of course, this isn't all about money. It's also about control. The globalists are part of the NWO, the same douchebags that wrote the Georgia Guidestones, a playbook of a global plan to unify (and rule) the world. It has very opaque language, similar to the stated goals of the UN, but anyone reading it carefully sees a plan to get rid of religion, force one-world government, police people's emotions (if you've seen the film Equilibrium this is old hat), and keep the population permanently below 500 million. Oh yeah, and make a "new living language" of Babylon.

The Guidestones were destroyed by God in July 6, 2022. A corrupt mayor wanted to rebuild them but the town council instead voted to donate the monstrous work to a granite company and return the land to its former owners.
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Buoyancy, cohesion, momentum, and other forces.

I can think of several billion or maybe even trillions.

money.

Do you know wht you are so certain the Earth is a globe?

You mean all the money that would be have to be spent faking it and covering it up, making it an entirely ridiculous idea, especially with just so many people involved.

Do you know wht you are so certain the Earth is a globe?I
https://www.reformation.org/rockefeller-global-earth-scam-exposed.html

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The reason people go berserk when you tell them that the earth is stationary and flat is because it is a vital part of their church's dogma. Dogma does not allow for rational discussion but must be accepted by blind faith. From their very first day in the classroom, children are exposed to a visual aid called a GLOBE. Because of the ubiquitous globe symbol, people become GLOBETARDS and remain so for the rest of their brainwashed lives

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You mean all the money that would be have to be spent faking it and covering it up, making it an entirely ridiculous idea, especially with just so many people involved.

Not at all.

It was expensive at the start, because alot of people knew better. Then big states everywhere spend a few billion (that's a few thousand per kid) indoctrinating children. A few generations of that, and there is nobody who disbelieves the globe Earth. And human beings by nature aren't a very curious lot. This is why the Truman show, Truman comes across as so strange. He's as a kid climbing over to the next horizon, or checking out something they shouldn't.

It is cheap enough that NASA can make enormous profit. Most people will actively tell themselves lies, because they don't want to know any different. Since the people are already involved in the coverup, only a small skeleton crew of people is needed to enforce the illusion. The rest are useful idiots.

But just so you know, that one time I went out to a date to a coffee shop with HER, we couldn't get anywhere near the coffee shop because there was a bizarre festival that blocked off four streets around it. I thought about how many people would have to be involved and it was insane. I now think that most of them were like participants in a parade, with only the construction crew, and those who gave them orders involved. But it wad an absurd prank. I wound up having to take her to a Chinese/Japanese/fusion restaurant.

Typically, only small coverups are needed, and cost is well within parameters considering the profit. A true believer (not a cynic like me) has to be shot dead now and again. That's typically the cost of a bullet and a professional.

To give a comparison. Paleontology ppl make huge money on dinosaur bones, all of which are fake. They spend a small amount making plaster casts, and painting them to look like bones. The public doesn't bother even to ask to see the real bones locked in a vault (to which they'd probably respond in violence, since there goes their gravy train), nor do they care that the bones are plaster.

Human beings were willing to put up with a fake disease for two years. They actively resist things that are true, because they like the deception better. This is why plays go down better than historical reenactments.

It was expensive at the start, because alot of people knew better.

Wow, you ppl really don't understand anything.

Water. Water applies motion to a water wheel.

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Sigh... Look, the downward motion that you see of water is from the wheel turning not some force on the wheel (which btw would break the wheel, as it in impossible for a force to affect some things but not others (a strong magnet for instance cannot ignore specific bits of metal if they are in its path)). You're looking at the top of the wheel and ignoring that not all wheels are like this:

So in this picture, we are told gravity runs the water mill.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 18, 2022, 06:37:16 AM

I mean, gravity is defined as a force that never stops.

How does force equate a perpetual motion machine.

External source..

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The Four Fundamental Forces and their strengths
Gravitational Force – Weakest force; but has infinite range. (Not part of the standard model)
Weak Nuclear Force – Next weakest; but short range.
Electromagnetic Force – Stronger, with infinite range.
Strong Nuclear Force – Strongest; but short range.
Gravitational Force
The gravitational force is weak but very long-ranged. Furthermore, it is always attractive. It acts between any two pieces of matter in the Universe since mass is its source.


https://www.clearias.com/four-fundamental-forces-of-nature/

Is a “magnet” a perpetual motion machine?

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Electromagnetic Force
The electromagnetic force causes electric and magnetic effects such as the repulsion between like electrical charges or the interaction of bar magnets. It is long-ranged but much weaker than the strong force. It can be attractive or repulsive and acts only between pieces of matter carrying an electrical charge. Electricity, magnetism, and light are all produced by this force.

https://www.clearias.com/four-fundamental-forces-of-nature/

Is this a perpetual motion machine with a magnet?  Where the magnet is tight on the string, hanging in air?  Trying to pull to the wrench?






 And if the magnet gets the least bit too far from the wrench, gravity overcomes the force of magnetism to pull the magnet to the table.

Quote from: bulmabriefs144 on November 18, 2022, 06:37:16 AM

Layman's Terms? You can't get more than you put in.

Again.  Forces in equilibrium are not perpetual motion machines.

Anyway…

Let’s use a water wheel and gravity for example.  How do you get more energy out of the waterwheel than energy it takes to get the water above the waterwheel?

Show where a waterwheel hooked up to a water pump can pump the water back up to a height above the waterwheel in a closed system to keep the waterwheel turning indefinitely?