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« on: August 11, 2022, 06:48:43 AM »
https://astronomy.com/news/2021/11/the-first-space-hotel-plans-to-open-in-2027
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The first 'space hotel' plans to open in 2027

Right now, though, it remains emphatically novel, the stuff of humankind’s oldest dreams. For hundreds and perhaps thousands of years, Alatorre notes, the idea of traveling to space has captivated our ancestors. Indeed, Voyager’s basic structure draws on a century of theorizing about how to colonize the final frontier.

The concept of the rotating wheel, proposed in the early 1900s as a way to generate artificial gravity, was later popularized in the 1950s by the German rocket scientist Wernher von Braun (Voyager was originally named in his honor). Thanks to the centrifugal force it produces, visitors will be able to move about normally, more or less. Or, as OAC puts it on its website: “We provide gravity.”

At first its gravity level will be similar to the Moon’s, about a sixth of Earth’s. That’s roughly a revolution and a half per minute. Alatorre says they hope to spin it up to Mars level (a third of Earth’s gravity), and eventually to replicate the weightiness of our home planet. But with scant research on how humans adapt to artificial gravity, they want to better understand their guests’ physiology before raising the g-force.

Besides, for many, the lunar environment is surely part of the appeal. People with disabilities will face fewer physical barriers, while the able-bodied will find themselves capable of otherworldly athletic feats. Maybe we’ll even see a reprise of Michael Jordan’s 1996 Space Jam role? (Not that the guy needs any help defying gravity.) At the least, Alatorre expects “a lot of really good YouTube videos.”

After blasting off from Earth, guests will arrive at a central, zero-gravity docking hub. From there, elevator shafts will carry them outward to a chain of “habitation modules” arranged around the circumference of the circular station. It’s only there, at the edge of the wheel, that the centrifugal force will be strong enough to keep guests and their surroundings firmly grounded.

Wandering the 24 modules, which come in at 125,000 square feet total, they’ll find all the aforementioned amenities of this resort in the sky. They’ll lift unwieldy weights and practice slam dunks, enjoy live music, taste traditional astro-fare like tang and freeze-dried ice cream alongside world cuisines. Then, of course, there’s the view.

Every earthbound resort touts the beauty of its environs, but Voyager’s will be truly unparalleled. In renderings of the station, as guests mill about a sparse, futuristic interior, they are typically gazing out the windows. Each scene is a variation on the same surreal theme: a fraction of Earth’s gargantuan frame, blue and green and white, curving against the black of an interstellar void.

The price of being an astronaut

On its website, the company urges potential clients to get in on the action: “Be one of the first humans to vacation on a luxury space station. Make history as one of the first humans in history to own real estate in orbit.” As if it were promoting any old property in Aspen or Palm Beach, the site advertises short- and long-term leases for “luxury villas, commercial, retail and industrial space” — pun perhaps intended. They’re already in negotiations with booking agents, Alatorre says.

Who are those potential clients? The going rate for an out-of-this-world jaunt is still exorbitant, after all. Oliver Daemen, for example, paid $28 million for a seat beside Bezos in space, and historically speaking that’s the lower end. For now such travel is the prerogative of the uber-wealthy.

But, Alatorre says, “We want to make this an easy choice. If you want to go to Paris for a week or you want to go to space for a week, we want it to be a question of preference, not of money.” Though he wouldn’t discuss prices in detail, he says the goal is for a stay on Voyager to rival a cruise ticket.

Relatively speaking, he says, “the resort is cheap, it’s the flight that’s expensive.” And with the development of more efficient launching systems — like the Starship rocket and Super Heavy booster from Elon Musk’s aerospace manufacturer, SpaceX — the cost of every pound flown into orbit will decline. In industry parlance, transportation won’t be quite so “mass-constrained.” Alatorre goes so far as to suggest the hotel could be significantly more accessible within a decade.

Reality or not

If a project of this magnitude seems ambitious, well, it is. SpaceX, which does not yet have any ties to AOC, gave the startup a shoutout on Instagram in March, ending on a note of uncertainty. “Maybe @spacex can offer a two way ticket by the time it’s finished?” the post reads, referencing Voyager. “We are curious to see if this plan will become a reality or not.”

Alatorre admits that partners and investors are, rightfully, wary. But on the other hand, all signs point to the rapid growth of space commerce. OAC isn’t the only player in the game anymore; as the 23-year-old International Space Station (ISS) — the most plausible tourism venue currently in orbit — nears the end of its life, several companies hope to fill its absence with their own ventures.

Axiom already has a contract with NASA to attach a “destination module” to the ISS, which will eventually be combined with other modules into an independent commercial station. Just last month, Sierra Space and Blue Origin, the aerospace arm of the Bezos empire, announced plans for Orbital Reef, a mixed-use station to be launched by the end of the decade. Voyager, however, is the only one billed primarily as a tourism opportunity.

Above all, Alatorre says, he’s confident in the theoretical and mechanical soundness of the space hotel. OAC has completed architectural work for the “Gravity Ring,” a miniature of the wheel design, as well as “Pioneer stations” with just a few habitation modules. These prototypes — the latter scheduled for habitability by 2025 — will allow the company to test its technologies before the final assembly of Voyager.

“We are committed to this, and we’ve invested our lives and our fortunes into making this a reality,” Alatorre says. “There’s nothing technologically standing in our way. It's just a question of time and money, and we can overcome those.”

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Even IF they hundreds of billions of dollars in 2021 and devoted it all to building this station - there is no way in hell they would have it up and running in 6 years. A project of this magnitude would take decades. 6 years and they cant even build a frigging shopping mall in America.
https://www.wealthmanagement.com/retail/how-long-does-it-take-build-mall (18 years and counting with no end in sight lol)

Then they expect people to pay tens of millions of dollars to go watch a movie in a cinema they could watch down the road? Or in the comfort of their own private home cinema (if you're that rich no way your home wouldn't have one). Risking their life in a fiery explosion in the process.

Have people not learnt anything after the Mars One hoax? Which was clearly a hoax from the get go but millions of people actually fell for it somehow.

Who here thinks this concept is viable within the next 5 years? Or even 50?


Virgin Galactic is delaying any passenger joy rides until at least 2023. Pro tip: It will get delayed again. Nice to take peoples money early though to fluff up your portfolio and bank/invest it. Just like Musk did with his BS 'Cyber Truck' which predictably wont see the light of day

Blue Origin has only done a handful of flights. Clearly the interest, appeal and number of customers are not enough to justify this project
https://www.space.com/blue-origin-space-tourism-launch-ns-20

And it's one thing to do an 11 minute take off and land flight - it's quite another technical achievement to dock with a ~7km/s moving object. So who exactly is going to get these uber wealthy but uber stupid people to go watch a movie in space?

And if that concept picture is anything to go by it seems this space station will be around the same height as the ISS. Around 400km. Virgin Galactic cant even make it to the Karman line (by just over 2 whole Mt Everests worth of height) and Blue Origin skims it. So who is going to get you there? SpaceX? Who is going to bank on Elon Musk to deliver on a promise? The guy is a clear fraud.




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« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2022, 10:57:12 AM »
Here's their SEC filing from when I do not know. But they seemingly, they have almost zero funding.

It's all marketing to raise cash. They will fail and pivot to manufacture something far smaller in scale, I'm sure.

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« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2022, 11:08:23 AM »
Here's their SEC filing from when I do not know. But they seemingly, they have almost zero funding.

It's all marketing to raise cash. They will fail and pivot to manufacture something far smaller in scale, I'm sure.

Offering Statement for Orbital Assembly Corporation

Even as they lie they cant raise the money. Imagine if they were honest, appealing to the billionaires saying they may get a return on investment and a trip to watch a movie 50 years from now. So a 20 year old dropping a huge wad of money might get to go to space with it by the time they are 70 lol

LOL 6 years hahahahaha

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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2022, 11:54:28 AM »
It's not about some BS space motel, it's about raising money and paying themselves as consultants. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2022, 01:28:40 AM »
This is def not going to get off the ground. Mostly because these people have virtually no experiance or the backing of an actual company in aerospace. I also dont really think its a scam, I genuinely think these people want to make it happen, its just that they dont have a hope in hell of it acutally happening.

If Lockheed Martin, Axiom Space or SpaceX said they where gonna do this, then you at least have a company with the funding and expertise behind it.
But Space tourism will be a millionairs game for a long time. You cant fill a very large hotel if each person needs to pay $50m+ just to get there.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2022, 05:28:22 AM »
Only complete idiots use hotels in space. Much better to stay on ground.

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2022, 05:53:54 AM »
Only complete idiots use hotels in space. Much better to stay on ground.

You know what??

I agree completely  8)

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2022, 06:11:08 AM »
Only complete idiots use hotels in space. Much better to stay on ground.

You know what??

I agree completely  8)
Why would a very expensive hotel in space be any worse idea than a very expensive hotel anywhere else?
It will have great views!
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2022, 06:32:56 AM »
Only complete idiots use hotels in space. Much better to stay on ground.

You know what??

I agree completely  8)
Why would a very expensive hotel in space be any worse idea than a very expensive hotel anywhere else?
It will have great views!

I dont think there is a hotel with a stay worth tens of millions of dollars. If you had that much, you could buy the hotel!

The view would be better than out Heiwas kitchen window though. That can't be argued

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2022, 07:27:19 AM »
https://www.tatlerasia.com/culture/travel/sg-empathy-suite-most-expensive-hotel-room-in-the-world-the-palms-casino-resort-las-vegas
$100 000 per night. Your not buying the hotel for a few measly 10's of Millions.

There are over 2000 known billionaires in the world. Each one of them can send themselves and all of their family members to a space hotel for the lols. Some people are just stupid rich.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2022, 07:48:19 AM »
https://www.tatlerasia.com/culture/travel/sg-empathy-suite-most-expensive-hotel-room-in-the-world-the-palms-casino-resort-las-vegas
$100 000 per night. Your not buying the hotel for a few measly 10's of Millions.

There are over 2000 known billionaires in the world. Each one of them can send themselves and all of their family members to a space hotel for the lols. Some people are just stupid rich.

Yeah my bad. Was thinking of Australias hotels. Nice, great views too but not the pompous opulence of elsewhere

Well good luck to the project creators finding a enough of those 2000 billionaires gullible enough to make this space hotel happen.

Then of course you'll need a return on investment. Imagine the stay cost for an infrastructure project that cost $200 billion (the asking price of the 'Voyager' space station and as we know these initial estimates are always optimistic). Looking at the concept images I'd say the cost would be closer to a trillion dollars. How many people could stump up that kind of cash to stay there? It will also take millions just for the trip to get there and back. Maybe you'll see the ROI in a few centuries of operation.

Even if I was a trillionaire I wouldn't want to go to space - not until the safety record is almost as assuredly safe as a plane trip. Billionaires have the world at their feet. Frankly they have far more to lose then the regular plebs.

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2022, 08:00:07 AM »
There are a lot of space stations being planned for the next 10 years. Its likely that there will be 4 or more orbiting earth by 2030 excluding the ISS.

And they wont be filling them with tourists. Fibre optics made in zero-g transmits a lot more data with less latency than traditional fibre optics. The banking world loves the stuff at any price. So there is a demand for space stations already, and its growing. You just need to share some space to these rich guys to justify an entire space tourism industry. Sharing cost goes a long way in reducing cost.

But it wont be what these guys propose. Have no faith in this group.

And lots of billionaires are big risk takers, its how many of them got rich in the first place.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2022, 09:55:22 AM »
There are a lot of space stations being planned for the next 10 years. Its likely that there will be 4 or more orbiting earth by 2030 excluding the ISS.

And they wont be filling them with tourists. Fibre optics made in zero-g transmits a lot more data with less latency than traditional fibre optics. The banking world loves the stuff at any price. So there is a demand for space stations already, and its growing. You just need to share some space to these rich guys to justify an entire space tourism industry. Sharing cost goes a long way in reducing cost.

But it wont be what these guys propose. Have no faith in this group.

And lots of billionaires are big risk takers, its how many of them got rich in the first place.

The problem with a factory orbiting Earth in zero-g space with robots making, e.g. fiber optics in it is that you cannot get the finished article down to Earth, I am sorry to say.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2022, 04:25:34 PM »
Why would a very expensive hotel in space be any worse idea than a very expensive hotel anywhere else?
It will have great views!
Just imagine the possibilities of zero-g sex with the space hookers.

The problem with a factory orbiting Earth in zero-g space with robots making, e.g. fiber optics in it is that you cannot get the finished article down to Earth, I am sorry to say.
And I'm sorry that you will never understand why you're wrong about that (and so many other things).
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2022, 08:41:08 PM »
Why would a very expensive hotel in space be any worse idea than a very expensive hotel anywhere else?
It will have great views!
Just imagine the possibilities of zero-g sex with the space hookers.

The problem with a factory orbiting Earth in zero-g space with robots making, e.g. fiber optics in it is that you cannot get the finished article down to Earth, I am sorry to say.
And I'm sorry that you will never understand why you're wrong about that (and so many other things).
I am happy to inform that I am never wrong about, e.g, nuclear weapons 1945, 1950's human space travel and 2001 911 terrorists, etc. Americans  are just fooled by fake news. Not to forget Lone Skum!

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2022, 04:22:13 AM »
Just imagine the possibilities of zero-g sex with the space hookers.
There was actually a porn studio that wanted to book time on the ISS. I have not heard anything from them in ages again, I suspect they either never got the money or NASA said no, or both.

Movies pay a LOT of money reproducing zero-g scenes. Its just usually a lot of green screen and CGI to make things look okay, because you cant really reproduce the results with wires all that well. So there is a real possibility that one of the up coming space stations will have space let out for studios. Could actually be cheaper for them.


The problem with a factory orbiting Earth in zero-g space with robots making, e.g. fiber optics in it is that you cannot get the finished article down to Earth, I am sorry to say.
I actually own some stuff that has returned from Space. Also in friends with people in the space industry. I even won an design award in the industry which led me to go to the IAC. At this stage, its very likely that I have a much better idea of whats happening in the space industry than what you have ever known about marine safety. (Which im inclined to believe is a very low bar)
You will have to make a pretty compelling reason to convince me and the hundreds of people I know in the industry that we are wrong.
But, because your mind is slipping, ill forgive you for being mentally stuck in the 1700's.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2022, 10:54:13 AM »
You have stuff returned from space??? Pls tell me more. How was it collected in space and then sent down safely on Earth? 

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2022, 10:56:48 AM »
You have stuff returned from space??? Pls tell me more. How was it collected in space and then sent down safely on Earth?

Actually, you tell us why things can't return. That's your claim. There is plenty of evidence that stuff does get returned.

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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2022, 11:42:44 AM »
You have stuff returned from space??? Pls tell me more. How was it collected in space and then sent down safely on Earth?

Actually, you tell us why things can't return. That's your claim. There is plenty of evidence that stuff does get returned.

There is no way an object in space can land intact on Earth.

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2022, 11:50:31 AM »
You have stuff returned from space??? Pls tell me more. How was it collected in space and then sent down safely on Earth?

Actually, you tell us why things can't return. That's your claim. There is plenty of evidence that stuff does get returned.

There is no way an object in space can land intact on Earth.
Of course they can.  Meteors do it all the time.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2022, 06:57:00 PM »
You have stuff returned from space??? Pls tell me more. How was it collected in space and then sent down safely on Earth?

Actually, you tell us why things can't return. That's your claim. There is plenty of evidence that stuff does get returned.

There is no way an object in space can land intact on Earth.
Of course they can.  Meteors do it all the time.

Please, they are not intact after landing.

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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2022, 07:53:01 PM »
You have stuff returned from space??? Pls tell me more. How was it collected in space and then sent down safely on Earth?

Actually, you tell us why things can't return. That's your claim. There is plenty of evidence that stuff does get returned.

There is no way an object in space can land intact on Earth.
Of course they can.  Meteors do it all the time.

Please, they are not intact after landing.

Sure they are:


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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2022, 02:21:43 AM »
Sure they are:


Hey! This one is in Namibia, I have been there. Its close to my in laws home, so drive past this a few times a year.

Getting back to earth is easy, just slow down until your orbits perihelion intercepts a decent portion of the atmosphere. When you hit the upper atmosphere, gas particles will compress onto your craft creating a high heat plasma. 2 ways to deal with this, fast or slow. Best approach will depend on the mass and surface area of your craft, as well as the g-force you can or want to deal with.
If fast, you can use an ablative heat shield. Your then handling high heat for a short period of time, charring the heat shield. The charred bits protect the heat shield below them until they blow off and the process continues until your slow enough to no longer need the heat shielding. This was used for the first re-entry vehicles.

Or slow, which can use re-usable heat shields that handle lower heat, for a longer time. They tend to be slightly thicker because they need to stop heat moving through the shield material over a longer period of time. This approach is chosen more often for modern crafts because the lower heat means you can re-use the shield, and the lower g-forces are kinder to the vehicle and occupants.

Both approaches experience about the same energy in heat, just over different periods of time.

"cant return from space" because "I said so" is not really a strong argument.
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