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The lack of coverage by other news outlets is odd. Either they investigated the story and found the evidence insufficient or they really don't want to embarrass the US.

I'm leaning towards the former.

I don't think it gives us anything 'new'. Certainly nothing 'compelling' and we are in the same position as we were on the days after the destruction. This is just rehashing an existing speculation but with the 'we have an anonymous source this time!'

As usual the waters are very cloudy and without somebody fessing up this will always be conjecture, and the moment you say to yourself so and so had no reason to do this, there is your reason, and if you say the other so and so’s had every reason to want this stopped, then it affords the opposition a chance of a set up or you as internet sleuth and glory boy as being duped/not aware of all the machinations, add in your bias and you are tail chasing.

So here goes, the case for it being Russia seems to hinge on them being bastards, they are clearly the aggressors, eat babies and care nothing for dolphins.
But IT was their pipeline that could at sometime have netted them a lot of cash, why do it? To implicate the NATO, ergo it was the Russians.

NATO/US, the case for this; Two presidents had voiced opposition to Europe being beholden to the Russia for fear of waning influence in the region as all Americans know that Europeans are all homosexual communists at heart, Europeans know that the US will not brook any diminishing of their outright domination of NATO so work in other ways to nibble at the roots. No citizen of the free world would suspect the US of such a blatantly hostile act in the waters of an ally, fuck yeah, it was the Yanks.

Things to bear in mind.

Nearly all US citizens are aware of some shady and nasty things done in their name, but they know in their hearts, because they live amongst lovely people who help each other out and care for their children, that America isn’t nearly as bad as the Homo-communists make out.

Nearly all Russian citizens are aware of some shady and nasty things done in their name, but they know in their hearts, because they live amongst lovely people who help each other out and care for their children, that they aren’t nearly as bad as the Homo-fascists make out.

Conclusions? It was either the US or Russia, wait 50yrs, if we are not living in the ashes of civilization then it will come out, maybe.

I think the world has gotten worse at keeping secrets and the truth will come out sooner than later.

The thing about Russia doing is it that I don't see what's in it for them.  Their whole thing was energy blackmail.  Destroying the means of that blackmail harms them a lot more than it harms Germany.

The US makes a little more sense but it seems so out of character for Biden.  This whole time he's been so even handed and above board, moving frustratingly slowly on getting new tech out there.  But behind the scenes he's plotting to blow up infrastructure partly owned by our allies? 

I think for now I'm going to have to stick with Russia's insistence that it was the UK since that one is the funniest to me.

Yep, I’m willing to accept that if the go ahead was given by our masters, then we have the skills to have pulled this off, as we do like blowing things up, it affected the Germans and the Russians so, win-win, and since Brexit we have fashioned ourselves by necessity as a giant US aircraft carrier.

It offers plausible deniability for the US and the EU and gives Russia a sacrificial target should one be necessary when everyone finally concedes to peace talks.

But I'm not ruling out the French.

At the end of the day, It's always the French.

I blame the Languedoc.  Time for another crusade?

Quote from: Crouton on February 12, 2023, 03:15:31 PM

It's not enough to convince me.  But it's too much to be ignored.  I don't know much about this reporter but he's apparently respected.  He isn't some Jimmy Dore or Russel Brand.

I judge it kind of like a sexual harassment allegation.  If there's something to it then usually more people come forward.  I'm just keeping an open mind to it all.

beau says when there's too much info in an attempt to appear credible, it's too much info to be realistic.


(iddferent rumour, but how does it compare?)

here's another take specific to the pipe

I have to ask..... Does anyone really care who destroyed it?

It didn't start WW3 and it fucks up Russia more than anyone else, short and long term

Added bonus that maybe Europe looks quicker to renewable energy technology and not being beholden to a fucked up autocratic murderous dictator for its energy requirements

Well, I care but to be honest it doesn't really mean anything I guess.  If the US did it then, well fuck me I guess but Russia is still the villain here.

Obviously the US is more than capable and had motive. Interesting that Germany and Norway struck a deal back in January to build a massive hydrogen pipeline apparently in an effort to ween from Russia. More interesting, I just searched CNN & Fox, nary a mention about that journalist's article. I would think Fox would be all over it, condemning Biden for untoward covert stuff, provoking WW3 if he ok'd it, etc. But nada, not a peep.

I still think it was the French.

Obviously the US is more than capable and had motive. Interesting that Germany and Norway struck a deal back in January to build a massive hydrogen pipeline apparently in an effort to ween from Russia. More interesting, I just searched CNN & Fox, nary a mention about that journalist's article. I would think Fox would be all over it, condemning Biden for untoward covert stuff, provoking WW3 if he ok'd it, etc. But nada, not a peep.

I still think it was the French.

Why would Fox news report that Biden took initiative and blew something up to fuck up russia?  Its that kind of John Wayne behavior that makes him look good to their viewers.

Quote from: Stash on February 14, 2023, 02:26:55 AM

Obviously the US is more than capable and had motive. Interesting that Germany and Norway struck a deal back in January to build a massive hydrogen pipeline apparently in an effort to ween from Russia. More interesting, I just searched CNN & Fox, nary a mention about that journalist's article. I would think Fox would be all over it, condemning Biden for untoward covert stuff, provoking WW3 if he ok'd it, etc. But nada, not a peep.

I still think it was the French.

Why would Fox news report that Biden took initiative and blew something up to fuck up russia?  Its that kind of John Wayne behavior that makes him look good to their viewers.

Yeah, I guess it could go either way. I was just expecting that if Fox felt compelled to report on it that they would have to spin it into how it was Hunter's cocaine fueled idea to somehow boost Burisma's profits.

An interview with Seymore Hersch about his reporting on the pipeline. Got to say he does not sound very objective here. Hearing him talk did not do much to bolster his credibility in my opinion.

An interview with Seymore Hersch about his reporting on the pipeline. Got to say he does not sound very objective here. Hearing him talk did not do much to bolster his credibility in my opinion.

Alright, I just finished watching the whole piece. WTF? He basically is saying because we have the ability, the technology to blow it up, so we did it. Just conjecture after speculation after conjecture. He spends the majority of the time on almost a pro-russia bent, how MSM is not covering this like he would like and how NATO sucks, and very little about the actual bombing.

And at about the 19:00 minute mark, the other guy asks him about the criticism of the speculative nature of the piece, only having one source, etc., Hersh says he'll get to that, then proceeds to not get to that and drones on about his freedom of reporting on substack as opposed to the NYT and how polarized America is and how the pipeline was a boon for Germany. Nothing about his article.

And he kinda seems to love to hear himself talk. He keeps saying, interrupting, when someone starts to ask relevant question, he jumps in and says, "Hold on, what I have to say is important..." then goes on for 3 minutes about some 1980's operation in Nicaragua.

It's unbelievable, literally. I wish he just came out guns blazing with some evidence. Instead it was like a 30 minute retrospective on his career and his personal thoughts about world affairs. Basically and idle chat at a dinner party. Really disappointing.

Yeah.  It had very little actual information or evidence. Well presented evidence or reasoning tends to speak for itself.

This though, if this is his strongest argument then I can see why most outlets are brushing this off.

Quote from: Stash on February 14, 2023, 02:26:55 AM

Obviously the US is more than capable and had motive. Interesting that Germany and Norway struck a deal back in January to build a massive hydrogen pipeline apparently in an effort to ween from Russia. More interesting, I just searched CNN & Fox, nary a mention about that journalist's article. I would think Fox would be all over it, condemning Biden for untoward covert stuff, provoking WW3 if he ok'd it, etc. But nada, not a peep.

I still think it was the French.

Why would Fox news report that Biden took initiative and blew something up to fuck up russia?  Its that kind of John Wayne behavior that makes him look good to their viewers.

Because it’s Biden, and anything they say Biden did is wrong and bad, regardless of any previously held positions on anything.  If they had any kind of consistent coherent views on stuff, it limits their ability to be partisan as fuck.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-oscars-appearance-russia-1235547499/

Oscars Reject Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s Bid to Appear on Telecast (EXCLUSIVE)

 For the past year, Volodymyr Zelensky has been greeted with open arms by awards shows, film festivals and even the New York Stock Exchange. But when it comes to landing airtime on the most coveted telecast of all — the Oscars — the Ukrainian leader is being met with a cold shoulder.

For the second year in a row, the Academy has snubbed Zelensky, who was hoping to follow up his Berlin Film Festival (remote) appearance last month with a virtual spot on Sunday’s Oscar telecast on ABC. Sources say WME power agent Mike Simpson made a plea to the Academy to include the comedic actor-turned-politician but was shut down. The Academy declined comment. 

Good for the Oscars, IMO!  I don't watch celebrity awards shows, usually, but earlier this year I did watch part of one (I can't remember which one) and just happened to be watching when Zelensky's bit was aired. It was really strange and out of place. I don't understand why they think war propaganda needs to be a part of an awards show.

Strongly pro Ukraine but I kind of agree.

It sesms very out of place when our own politicians appear on awards shows. But maybe he needed the time to let Sean Penn know that he's holding on to his Oscar for a little longer.

Strongly pro Ukraine but I kind of agree.

It sesms very out of place when our own politicians appear on awards shows. But maybe he needed the time to let Sean Penn know that he's holding on to his Oscar for a little longer.

I'm sure Ukraine will get lots of mentions and the colour blue and yellow will be themed so everyone remembers it anyway. The Oscars has always had politics in it and some of it has been for the better as it raises cultural issues (especially the issues that related to America) but yeah, as much as I feel for Ukraine, I dont see a Zelensky interjection to be helpful. If anything, it'll add to the reporting fatigue and only get people to groan and switch off to Ukraine. Sometimes 'the show must go on'

Good for the Oscars, IMO!  I don't watch celebrity awards shows, usually, but earlier this year I did watch part of one (I can't remember which one) and just happened to be watching when Zelensky's bit was aired. It was really strange and out of place. I don't understand why they think war propaganda needs to be a part of an awards show.

I don't understand why we still even have the Oscars.  Pile of shite.

-Nato troops will have to enter Ukraine

-Ukraine will receive weapons systems capable of striking at a depth of 1000 kilometers

-Offensive to take Crimea

-Everything is geared towards unleashing a social cataclysm of huge proportions, a revolution

-Omicron (Mers-Cov-2) was released exactly at the same time as the offensive in Ukraine had begun (february 2022), with its prion domain inactivated; 18-24 months to the reactivation of the prion region

-Second front, Persian Gulf

Isn't sandokhann worried considering he lives in Romania?

The revolution will start in eastern Europe, however it will spread to the West (especially the G7 countries) very fast.

So you aren't worried for now? Says that it's spreading throughout the east into countries like Moldova.

-Nato troops will have to enter Ukraine

-Ukraine will receive weapons systems capable of striking at a depth of 1000 kilometers

-Offensive to take Crimea

-Everything is geared towards unleashing a social cataclysm of huge proportions, a revolution

-Omicron (Mers-Cov-2) was released exactly at the same time as the offensive in Ukraine had begun (february 2022), with its prion domain inactivated; 18-24 months to the reactivation of the prion region

-Second front, Persian Gulf

I don't mean to criticize but this doesn't quite fit the pattern of a haiku if that's what you're going for.

What the fuck is a haiku?

What the fuck is a haiku?

Here, let me help...

Nato in Ukraine
Weapons go deep down under
Omicron is bad

-Omicron (Mers-Cov-2) was released exactly at the same time as the offensive in Ukraine had begun (february 2022)

Actually, you are wrong, yet again, and just making up things...As in, it's well documented that you are wrong...

On November 26, 2021, the World Health Organization (WHO) classified a new variant, B. 1.1. 529, as a Variant of Concern and named it Omicron and on November 30, 2021, the United States also classified it as a Variant of Concern.

https://www.mdpi.com/1648-9144/58/2/226/htm

Omicron RBM binding with hDPP-IV requests a smaller increase in free energy (ΔΔG: +4.05 kJ/mol) than that of Omicron RBM binding with hACE2 (ΔΔG: +4.90 kJ/mol) when taking the K417N exchange into account. DPP-IV is the cellular receptor of Mers-Cov.

Omicron has a higher R0 than measles. Only Mers-Cov has a R0 of 7-19 (see Mers-Cov in South Korea).

Please do your homework before posting.