Apostates of Islam - We Left Islam

Atheistic humanism isn't a bad thing.
Islam is also a good thing.

Orthodox Christians have been at the forefront of opposition to Islam since Islam began, and humanist (especially atheistic) opposition to Islam is much more recent.  Never the less, both are enemies of Islam albeit to a large extent for different reasons.

We'll see what happens.

The Ishmaelite power (Islam) will be destroyed by the West in a successful military war led by a Christian monarch, but not until the West first destroys itself by infighting so violent as to form a river of blood running through Constantinople and to such an extent that not a solitary sinner or non-Christian remains in the entire West.  Then the West will be ready to conquer the Ishmaelites.  What is requıred to defeat islam is not numbers or military might, but righteousness.

  This statement is not a policy proposal.  It is the essence of a tenth century prophecy.  I intend to post a full translation.

It's my belief that atheists are the level headed ones. We don't go out and destroy people's homes, or kill other people themselves because someone doesn't agree with what we believe in.

Religious people are some of the most ignorant "fools" I have ever seen in my life, and the middle east is the basic proof of that.

In the end, it's my conscience that rules how I live my life, and as such, when the hour of atonement comes, I shall be judged upon that, and will have no other choice but to accept the graces of God... If he does exist, which I don't believe he does anyway, so why should I waste my time putting into something that logically doesn't exist? Or something that actually makes fools out of people. Radicals. Terrorists.. etc.

It's my belief that atheists are the level headed ones. We don't go out and destroy people's homes, or kill other people themselves because someone doesn't agree with what we believe in.

Religious people are some of the most ignorant "fools" I have ever seen in my life, and the middle east is the basic proof of that.

In the end, it's my conscience that rules how I live my life, and as such, when the hour of atonement comes, I shall be judged upon that, and will have no other choice but to accept the graces of God... If he does exist, which I don't believe he does anyway, so why should I waste my time putting into something that logically doesn't exist? Or something that actually makes fools out of people. Radicals. Terrorists.. etc.

Stalin.

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It's not analogous either. A concrete object and an abstraction are not even remotely close.

The analogy is between their harmful effects.

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Especially one designed with the EXPLICIT purpose to kill. Religion has caused a lot of good as well. I am a native American, if I am defending religion, trust me...I have a very good reason. My entire tribe was pretty much put to extinction over divine right.

Still, religion has done good. It's safe to say that it does more good than bad, or we'd all be dead, correct?

Also, what is humourous?

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We have the death penalty here, and this nation was forged on secularism essentially. What's wrong with religion again?

Religion? The original discussion was about Islam. You said "the belief is good, it's the people who use it, they are the ones who are bad."

The belief is not inherently good as I pointed out. That was my argument, feel free to respond to it as you wish.

A gas chamber has the explicit purpose to kill. It does nothing else.

Religion does many things, it creates order, or chaos. It can help, it can hurt.

Stalin.

Did not do what he did because he was an atheist. You should know that.

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Stalin.

Did not do what he did because he was an atheist. You should know that.

He still was an atheist. Atheists can do evil too, let's not forget it. Plus, secularism has been used to justify murder before.

Social Darwinism.

We never said they couldn't. We just said that no atheist performs evil in the name of atheism.

He did not do what he did in the name of religion. Get it right, asstart.

We never said they couldn't. We just said that no atheist performs evil in the name of atheism.

I'm sure someone will find a way.

I have yet to see it.

I have yet to see it.

You're absolutely right, but it seems that any good intention can be perverted. Even Darwin's completely scientific belief, which is non-partisan to, and which has nothing to do with violence. It was later used to justify the extirpation of the Jewish and other people of non-Teutonic blood.

You're absolutely right, but it seems that any good intention can be perverted. Even Darwin's completely scientific belief, which is non-partisan to, and which has nothing to do with violence. It was later used to justify the extirpation of the Jewish and other people of non-Teutonic blood.

Too bad they didn't use science. Please, if you want to talk about this, make your own thread. This wasn't even supposed to be a discussion thread; it's a repository for Apostates of Islam articles. What you are doing is essentially spamming all across all the threads and it's getting increasingly wasteful to our time and patience.

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You're absolutely right, but it seems that any good intention can be perverted. Even Darwin's completely scientific belief, which is non-partisan to, and which has nothing to do with violence. It was later used to justify the extirpation of the Jewish and other people of non-Teutonic blood.

Too bad they didn't use science. Please, if you want to talk about this, make your own thread. This wasn't even supposed to be a discussion thread; it's a repository for Apostates of Islam articles. What you are doing is essentially spamming all across all the threads and it's getting increasingly wasteful to our time and patience.

Science was used, it just happened to be pseudoscience. Anyways, if it's that wasteful to your time and patience, then don't reply. Isn't that easier than being abrasive?

Science was used, it just happened to be pseudoscience.

"They did drive a car, it just happened to be a boat."

Anyways, if it's that wasteful to your time and patience, then don't reply. Isn't that easier than being abrasive?

No, get out of this thread. It's not the place.

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Science was used, it just happened to be pseudoscience.

"They did drive a car, it just happened to be a boat."

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Anyways, if it's that wasteful to your time and patience, then don't reply. Isn't that easier than being abrasive?

No, get out of this thread. It's not the place.

Well, because you've been such a dick. I don't think I am going to leave. I am sorry, ass. You can choose to not reply, and then I'll stop. It's up to you.

Pseudoscience isn't science (entirely, but it comes from science), but a thought was perversed. I made my point, but you think that atheism has a flawless track record. It won't for long, I am sure some moron will get people rallied behind some concept of it with fervor. It's already starting to take on an ugly form with all these organizations.

I thought atheists were stand alone types.

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A gas chamber has the explicit purpose to kill. It does nothing else.

Religion does many things, it creates order, or chaos. It can help, it can hurt.

The topic was Islam, not religion in general. The Qu'ran treats women as second class citizens, supports slavery, demands the death penalty for apostasy, etc.

Islam may have its redeeming points, but overall it's like a gas chamber that gives a free happy meal with every execution.

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A gas chamber has the explicit purpose to kill. It does nothing else.

Religion does many things, it creates order, or chaos. It can help, it can hurt.

The topic was Islam, not religion in general. The Qu'ran treats women as second class citizens, supports slavery, demands the death penalty for apostasy, etc.

Islam may have its redeeming points, but overall it's like a gas chamber that gives a free happy meal with every execution.

Then that's the analogy that should be used!

A gas chamber with a happy meal.

It's my belief that atheists are the level headed ones. We don't go out and destroy people's homes, or kill other people themselves because someone doesn't agree with what we believe in.

Religious people are some of the most ignorant "fools" I have ever seen in my life, and the middle east is the basic proof of that.

The decidedly secularist Young Turks and Kemalists who threw out the muslim religion and founded modern Turkey, easily the most secular muslim country, are precisely the people who implemented the Armenian genocide.  They did indeed destroy their homes and killed them in large numbers significantly more than their Ottoman predecessors.

I do not disagree with you that islam is a murderous religion, but it is murderous largely because of its atheistic qualities.  Muslims do not believe in the existence of the Devil.  Yes, they believe in jinn (angels), but it is far from the Christian understanding as they do not distinguish as much between good and bad jinn or between good and evil for that matter.  And muslims do not believe in Hell as Christians understand it.  The expansion of islam at the expense of Christian Orthodoxy was a boon to atheism.

The decidedly secularist Young Turks and Kemalists who threw out the muslim religion and founded modern Turkey, easily the most secular muslim country, are precisely the people who implemented the Armenian genocide.  They did indeed destroy their homes and killed them in large numbers significantly more than their Ottoman predecessors.

Sorry, "secular Muslims"? Weren't we talking about atheists, moreover, the majority of us ("atheists are the most level headed ones" - my italics)?

The need to exercise reason and rationality supersede any theological opinion. In a universe where God existed, they would lead us to him.

Sorry, "secular Muslims"?
The need to exercise reason and rationality supersede any theological opinion.  In a universe where God existed, they would lead us to him.

It is primarily your purist atheism (and possible lack of historical and philosophical knowledge) which are obstacles in your reasoning preventing you from understanding the connection between the two and atheism's debt to islam.

It is primarily your purist atheism...

My spidey senses are tingling... are you a YEC?

are you a YEC?

You'll have to spell that one out.  I am not familiar with the term.  However, after you mentioned it, I did a search and located the following website.
http://www.yecheadquarters.org/index.html

I had never heard of this website before, but it's a good one.  There is a book which has appeared during the course of the past year with a similiar theme entitled 'Ascendancy of the Scientific Dictatorship.'  A welcome but interesting trend as it makes one wonder whether these kind of serious minded protestants will some day enter some form of  "catacombs."  Protestantism is transforming into three major groups:
1)  The main stream denominations which are dead and dying
2)  the kind of protestants mentioned above which are a more serious minded minority
3)  pentecostals

YEC = Young Earth Creationist

Requirements: 1) Believe glue is 1000 years older than the Universe

2) Pretend the light speed barrier doesn't exist

3) Check into an asylum

YEC = Young Earth Creationist

Got it.  Yes, of course.

Requirements: 1) Believe glue is 1000 years older than the Universe

You lost me on that one.  If that is a requirement, then I do not qualify.

the light speed barrier doesn't exist

True enough, but I am interested in exactly who did you catch asserting this (since an average creationist is not quite that hard core)?

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Requirements: 1) Believe glue is 1000 years older than the Universe

You lost me on that one.  If that is a requirement, then I do not qualify.

It means that most YECs think that the earth was created approximately 6,000 years ago, while the Sumerians invented glue at least a thousand years before that.

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It is primarily your purist atheism...

My spidey senses are tingling... are you a YEC?

I think you already knew that and were avoiding the similarities which I pointed out between atheism and islam.

By the way, I follow the Septuagint which places us at 7515 years since the Creation of the World and the deluge of Noah in the year 3213 Before Christ.  This definitely contradicts your millions, but unlike the jews' and protestants' fıgures which are both close to 6000 years, the Septuagint adequately accounts for the antiquity of Egyptian civilization as demonstrated in the Chronicon of Eusebius which harmonizes Hebrew and Egyptian history and like all the Church Fathers follows the Septuagint chronology.

That's good that you keep in mind the rationality of the Egyptian civilisation.  Otherwise we would think you're a nutter.

Otherwise we would think you're a nutter.

We don't think that anyway?  Or are we being sarcastic?

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Requirements: 1) Believe glue is 1000 years older than the Universe

You lost me on that one.  If that is a requirement, then I do not qualify.

It means that most YECs think that the earth was created approximately 6,000 years ago, while the Sumerians invented glue at least a thousand years before that.

Cool. I'll have to remember that one.