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Apostates of Islam - We Left Islam
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2007, 04:33:21 PM »
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Otherwise we would think you're a nutter.


We don't think that anyway?  Or are we being sarcastic?


We do not use sarcasm.
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« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2007, 11:58:36 PM »
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Help stop Terrorist Attacks!

Dear concerned non-Muslim,

Your effort can help stop the spread of Islam, and will thus reduce the chances of a terrorist attack on your home country, hometown or even your own house!

To stop Islamic terrorism, Islam itself must be stopped and this can be done by creating awareness about its truth, which is that Islam is a violent, irrational, intolerant and dangerous cult that must be stopped.

Here are some things you can do to help stop Islam.
They are listed in the order of ease:

Inform your friends, family, colleagues and area politicians/congressmen of this site. Spreading awareness about the truth of Islam will help to stop the spread of this disease. Tell them about Islam and email this website’s URL to them.

Take part in discussions (online or real life) with Muslims. If you know a newly converted Muslim, tell them of this site, and ask them questions about Islam so it makes them feel uncomfortable. Do not hesitate to do this. Remember that Islam is already teaching them to hate you and support the terrorists.

$pend your money against Islam.

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Breaking the manacles of Islam

Buy books that expose the truth of Islam, and donate them to public libraries, or if you are a student, donate them to your college library.
If you cannot donate the books, fill-out book requests, and talk to your Librarians requesting them to include one or more of these books in the library.
List of Islam-exposing books.

Support Humanist and Anti-Islamic organizations. An example of a humanist organization is Humanists.net, which provides free webhosting for many other humanist websites besides this one.
American Humanist Association
FaithFreedomInternational (Anti-Islamic website by former Muslims with extensive research on Islam)

Support Human Rights in other countries. According to Imam Khomeini himself, the Supreme Islamic leader of Islam, ‘Those Who Spread Slogans of Reform, Liberty, Democracy, and Human Rights Are Fighting Islam’.

Spend your money against Islam today
and prevent Terrorist Attacks tomorrow!


http://terrorizethis.org/2007/02/18/apostates-of-islamcom-what-do-you-think/


These people are fucked up..
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« Reply #62 on: February 19, 2007, 01:33:36 AM »
Describe why you feel that way.  What's wrong with them?  Considering their involvement with Islam, don't you think they don't know what they're talking about?
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« Reply #63 on: February 26, 2007, 01:56:58 PM »
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Your effort can help stop the spread of Islam, and will thus reduce the chances of a terrorist attack on your home country, hometown or even your own house!

To stop Islamic terrorism, Islam itself must be stopped and this can be done by creating awareness about its truth, which is that Islam is a violent, irrational, intolerant and dangerous cult that must be stopped.

Here are some things you can do to help stop Islam.
They are listed in the order of ease:

Demonizing the Muslim religion...

This article is bullshit. Islam is not a "violent, irrational, intolerant and dangerous cult that must be stopped". Doesn't take much to figure that one out.

And what the fuck?:
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$pend your money against Islam.

Sad that people seem to like this kind of crap..




For some real News:
http://terrorizethis.org
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« Reply #64 on: February 26, 2007, 05:01:51 PM »
Got this great PM from R:FOM - not really sure what it was specifically that motivated it, perhaps this topic.  Anyway thought I would share it, as it is a great example of how peaceful and tolerant some Muslims are;

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YOUR FUCKING STUPID..Islam does not teach that it is ok to ape people..The prophet was not a gangster you dumb shit....Islam allows people to think for them selves....we are not tought to ? our religion.....we have to ? it that way we can earn more abouti t and other religions....you FUCKING DUMB SHIT.....YOU WERE A SUNNI MOST LIKLY AND SUNNIS ARE DUMB SHITS TO........FOR GODSAKES YOU BELIVE THE EARTH IS FUCKING FLAT......WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU......GO TO FUCKING HELL SHIT HEAD.....

He may be shocked to know that I've never been a Muslim, but that those articles that I posted, were written by the person whose name it says they were written by.  Shocking as it may seem, I am actually not Salman Rushdie.

"YOU WERE A SUNNI MOST LIKLY[sic} AND SUNNIS ARE DUMB SHITS TO[sic]"

What F:ROM has expressed is not a radical view that a few extremist Muslims believe, he's expressing a commonly held view.  Islam is a religion that does not tolerate anything outside of Islam.  A great example is Ayatollah al-Sistani - who is one of the most "moderate" and left wing Islamic leaders in Iraq.  He also believes that homosexual people, who do nothing that harms him in anyway, should be "killed in the worst, most severe way of killing."  source

Like all religion, Islam is not a rational belief.  Any good it offers can be gained without religion, and it also offers division and intolerance.  The Left, and I am very left, try to pretend that it's only a few radicals that bring Islam down, but it's not.  It's the whole religion.  From America, to Europe, to Asia to the Middle East, the only impacts we see religion having are retarding the quest for knowledge, oppressing women and causing death, violence and war.
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« Reply #65 on: February 26, 2007, 05:25:15 PM »
ISLAM is the translated Arabic word for PEACE. It is Gods' definition of Peace. What is your definition of PEACE? Write books about it, I will read every word.
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« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2007, 05:48:58 PM »
The golden rule has a dark side. If you like pain and abuse, you will cause pain and abuse.
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My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.
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« Reply #67 on: February 26, 2007, 05:58:30 PM »
I view the basic Tenets of Islam as, well, Mein Kampf from Antiquity. I have read the Quran cover to cover, several times, versions, and I see an overall theme of "We are right. Believe or be liquidated." I'd rather be liquidated.
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My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Apostates of Islam - We Left Islam
« Reply #68 on: February 26, 2007, 06:12:35 PM »
Quote from: midnight on February 26, 2007, 05:48:58 PM
The golden rule has a dark side. If you like pain and abuse, you will cause pain and abuse.

That is a good point.  However, I think the point of the "golden rule" is to treat others with respect and you will get respect back.  I don't think anyone wants to live in a world where everyone steals each others shit and kills each other.  That's the point of the golden rule; not necessarily to behave how you wish others to behave to you in that sense, but to behave in an appropriate and respectful manner in which everyone can benefit.
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Re: Apostates of Islam - We Left Islam
« Reply #69 on: February 26, 2007, 11:05:43 PM »
Quote from: Raa on February 26, 2007, 05:25:15 PM
It is Gods' definition of Peace.

What evidence do you have that this statement is true?

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What is your definition of PEACE? Write books about it, I will read every word.

I would define "peace" as an absence of violence.  A peaceful world is one where people live in harmony with one another.  I do not see war, holy or otherwise, as having any support of peace.  If Muslims really were peaceful, they would not use physical violence at all - either in conflict or in response to oppression against them.  Sure groups like the Palestinians have had a rough deal, but that doesn't justify their use of violence and it certainly doesn't support a claim that Islam is a religion of peace.  If Islam really taught peace then we would hear a great outcry from Islam against every instances of violence that is committed in the name of their religion.  Clearly that outcry comes only from a very small minority.
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Re: Apostates of Islam - We Left Islam
« Reply #70 on: March 02, 2007, 05:35:49 PM »
You can't handle peace
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« Reply #71 on: March 02, 2007, 06:56:59 PM »
Quote from: harold132 on March 02, 2007, 05:35:49 PM
You can't handle peace

Wow. I think you lose.
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« Reply #72 on: March 03, 2007, 03:52:24 AM »
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« Reply #73 on: March 03, 2007, 04:11:03 AM »
Quote from: beast on February 02, 2007, 04:25:00 AM
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I love you....

I think that all religions are false and it's a shame they can't be abolished - but I don't believe in discriminating against a person because I think they are idiotic. You just have to accept that people have different beliefs.

Preachers, extremeists and all the people who try to force their beliefs upon other people are wrong, and should not be allowed to speak. That is my opinion. Look at America. Evangelists are so anti-creationism, that they have banned it in schools in some states. Homosexuals are excluded and subject to abuse.

In other countries, people are blowing themselves up - either because they are being occupied (Iraq) or they are making a religious statement.

But let me just let you consider this: Have you noticed how Christianity takes the piss out of it all the time, and does not complain? And other religions I am sure have jokes made about it. But when some dude draws some pictures of Mohammed (Allah preserve him) there are riots, censures and distructive behaviour? Muslims take themselves so seriously it's almost as scary as having evangelists in the white house.
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« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2007, 04:52:13 AM »
There is some truth in that last line...... If you don't like it, say it, but don't fucking kill people over it.
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« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2007, 05:46:06 AM »
A good philosophy, but unfortunately religion is not based on any rational ideals, and if people are to run their lives based on irrational beliefs, how can we expect them to carry out rational actions?  All people who tolerate the notion of irrational beliefs, or defend irrational beliefs are surely culpable for the irrational actions that occur in the name of those irrational beliefs. 
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« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2007, 06:33:50 AM »
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There is some truth in that last line...... If you don't like it, say it, but don't fucking kill people over it.
my last line?

If so, then I'm glad you agree. I know plenty of muslims who were unhappy about those drawings - even I thought they went a bit far, but that's only cause people don't generally take the piss out of islam I guess - but they didn't run to the nearest danish embassy and destory it.
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Re: Apostates of Islam - We Left Islam
« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2007, 03:42:31 PM »
Quote from: GeoGuy on February 03, 2007, 02:57:46 PM
We never said they couldn't. We just said that no atheist performs evil in the name of atheism.

Technically Stalin killed lots of people for having a religion. Wouldn't this be considered killing in the name of Atheism?
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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2007, 04:20:41 PM »
Only if you've never studied 20th Century Russian History.

I would say that Stalin killed people in the name of Communism, not atheism.  I would also say that atheists oppose religion because it is a dogmatic and unfounded belief.  I would also say that the communism practiced by Stalin was also a dogmatic and unfounded belief, so for the reasons atheists oppose religion, I am sure that most would also oppose Stalinism.
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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2007, 06:35:15 PM »
Quote from: Maus on March 03, 2007, 06:33:50 AM
If so, then I'm glad you agree. I know plenty of muslims who were unhappy about those drawings - even I thought they went a bit far

The two most offensive drawings were never published in Denmark. They were of "mysterious origin." A Muslim militant created them to fuel pandemonium.
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« Reply #80 on: March 04, 2007, 02:30:26 AM »
Quote from: beast on March 03, 2007, 04:20:41 PM
Only if you've never studied 20th Century Russian History.

I would say that Stalin killed people in the name of Communism, not atheism.  I would also say that atheists oppose religion because it is a dogmatic and unfounded belief.  I would also say that the communism practiced by Stalin was also a dogmatic and unfounded belief, so for the reasons atheists oppose religion, I am sure that most would also oppose Stalinism.
Hm Communism, in theory, is a nice concept. No inequality, and all that (I know there's a little more to it lol) but I agree, communism's bad in practice...Stalinism was very bad...
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« Reply #81 on: March 04, 2007, 09:06:13 AM »
T.H. pointed this out: how on Earth can you have equality in a system with an omnipotent state?
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« Reply #82 on: March 04, 2007, 04:48:20 PM »
I don't really think that communism is even nice in theory.  I think communism clearly leads to authoritarianism.  If you are preventing people from having organised religion (and Karl Marx) and you're preventing people from owning property, you are going to have to have power over those people.  Sure communism would be great if everybody just decided to follow it, without a need for enforcement, but not only is that not reality, science shows us that you would actually expect at least a small amount of dissent to any political system, no matter how perfect it is.  One of the reasons capitalism works so well is because people who oppose it have no capital, so no power.  Perhaps you could argue that the founding idea behind communism; that all people are equal - is a good one, but how can you follow that belief and enforce your form of government onto other people without some form of hypocrisy?

I think, of political systems, I'm probably strongest in favour of a strongly socially minded capitalist system; a government with high taxes, high social services, but also the rights to acquire capital.
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« Reply #83 on: March 04, 2007, 05:57:53 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: March 04, 2007, 11:11:19 PM »
u r wanker
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« Reply #85 on: March 06, 2007, 10:03:39 AM »
Quote from: beast on March 04, 2007, 04:48:20 PM
I don't really think that communism is even nice in theory.  I think communism clearly leads to authoritarianism.  If you are preventing people from having organised religion (and Karl Marx) and you're preventing people from owning property, you are going to have to have power over those people.  Sure communism would be great if everybody just decided to follow it, without a need for enforcement, but not only is that not reality, science shows us that you would actually expect at least a small amount of dissent to any political system, no matter how perfect it is.  One of the reasons capitalism works so well is because people who oppose it have no capital, so no power.  Perhaps you could argue that the founding idea behind communism; that all people are equal - is a good one, but how can you follow that belief and enforce your form of government onto other people without some form of hypocrisy?

I think, of political systems, I'm probably strongest in favour of a strongly socially minded capitalist system; a government with high taxes, high social services, but also the rights to acquire capital.
yeah, that's true, but then it would be nice if everyone went along with it...however, as you've pointed out, there's going to be hypocracy and it will lead to capitalism.

Too expensive to try it out now anyway. :P
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« Reply #86 on: March 06, 2007, 06:29:29 PM »
Fuck the NWO
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« Reply #87 on: March 09, 2007, 08:44:51 AM »
I actually missed one of beast's posts by accident in the beginning, my bad beast. The peadophile allegations have no proof whatsoever, the Hadith that give mention of our Prophet ( PBUH) was provided by a man that had no clue what he was talking about, and was very incoherent with his dates. Looking at other Hadiths provided by him, you can conclude using the dates mentioned that the supposed nine-year-old could have been 16 or even older.

Sorry for bringing it up so late, but I missed that post I guess...... And I KNOW it's not much of a rebuttal for the whole thing, but I just thought I'd point it out. The nine-year-old thing is a myth.
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