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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

What's your maximum focal length for your film camera?

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

No, you can't.  You're ignorance is showing, again.

An "IR film" in you camera would be exposed to all the IR radiation emanating from the camera itself, due to its ambient temperature. Your "IR film" would be overexposed and you would have a beautiful image of the temperature of your camera.

Fortunately, having the camera situated in a cold environment, such as in space shielded from sunlight, prevents this. 

Funny how that's where the JWST is currently situated.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

What's your maximum focal length for your film camera?

I have a Nikon F2 from 1973 with different lenses. Still works fine. Problem is the film.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

What's your maximum focal length for your film camera?

I have a Nikon F2 from 1973 with different lenses. Still works fine. Problem is the film.

What's the maximum focal length of a lens you have for your Nikon F2? 

Quote from: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 11:38:38 AM

I have a Nikon F2 from 1973 with different lenses. Still works fine. Problem is the film.

What's the maximum focal length of a lens you have for your Nikon F2?

Haven't got a clue. Topic is JWST that I film in the sky from my window at L2 with a digital camera.

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I have a Nikon F2 from 1973 with different lenses. Still works fine. Problem is the film.

What's the maximum focal length of a lens you have for your Nikon F2?

Haven't got a clue.

Explains a lot.

If you have a lens with a super long focal length, like you see in those massive lenses at sporting events, you're looking at about 1200MM max. That's millimeters. The JWST main camera focal length is 131.4 meters. That's METERS! Not millimeters.

So no, your camera doesn't even remotely compare to JWST's. Any idiot can see that.

Topic is JWST that I film in the sky from my window at L2 with a digital camera.

Yes, the topic is JWST, not your window. So why do youu keep talking about your window when it's off-topic?

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I have a Nikon F2 from 1973 with different lenses. Still works fine. Problem is the film.

What's the maximum focal length of a lens you have for your Nikon F2?

Haven't got a clue.

Explains a lot.

If you have a lens with a super long focal length, like you see in those massive lenses at sporting events, you're looking at about 1200MM max. That's millimeters. The JWST main camera focal length is 131.4 meters. That's METERS! Not millimeters.

So no, your camera doesn't even remotely compare to JWST's. Any idiot can see that.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 11:50:55 AM

Topic is JWST that I film in the sky from my window at L2 with a digital camera.

Yes, the topic is JWST, not your window. So why do you keep talking about your window when it's off-topic?

I just watch JWST, the sky and the Universe from my window. And take pictures. So now it is clear that JWST just take pictures and doesn't watch anything.

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Quote from: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 11:38:38 AM

I have a Nikon F2 from 1973 with different lenses. Still works fine. Problem is the film.

What's the maximum focal length of a lens you have for your Nikon F2?

Haven't got a clue.

Explains a lot.

If you have a lens with a super long focal length, like you see in those massive lenses at sporting events, you're looking at about 1200MM max. That's millimeters. The JWST main camera focal length is 131.4 meters. That's METERS! Not millimeters.

So no, your camera doesn't even remotely compare to JWST's. Any idiot can see that.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 11:50:55 AM

Topic is JWST that I film in the sky from my window at L2 with a digital camera.

Yes, the topic is JWST, not your window. So why do you keep talking about your window when it's off-topic?

I just watch JWST, the sky and the Universe from my window. And take pictures. So now it is clear that JWST just take pictures and doesn't watch anything.

You can't see JWST from your window. And yes, JWST takes pictures.

I have asked NASA/ESA how a telescope can see through dust.

Here is NASA's answer:
https://science.nasa.gov/ems/07_infraredwaves

SEEING THROUGH DUST

Infrared waves have longer wavelengths than visible light and can pass through dense regions of gas and dust in space with less scattering and absorption. Thus, infrared energy can also reveal objects in the universe that cannot be seen in visible light using optical telescopes. The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has three infrared instruments to help study the origins of the universe and the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets.

Here is an example of the difference between visible light and infrared astronomy:


What can you see from your window?

Quote from: Heiwa on April 11, 2022, 02:05:44 AM

I have asked NASA/ESA how a telescope can see through dust.

Here is NASA's answer:
https://science.nasa.gov/ems/07_infraredwaves

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SEEING THROUGH DUST

Infrared waves have longer wavelengths than visible light and can pass through dense regions of gas and dust in space with less scattering and absorption. Thus, infrared energy can also reveal objects in the universe that cannot be seen in visible light using optical telescopes. The James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) has three infrared instruments to help study the origins of the universe and the formation of galaxies, stars, and planets.

Here is an example of the difference between visible light and infrared astronomy:


What can you see from your window?

When dust blocks the view from my window, I just see the dust. It happens when there are sand storms in north Africa.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosfaerisk_spredning.png

Some portions of the IR spectrum can't even reach the surface.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosfaerisk_spredning.png

Some portions of the IR spectrum can't even reach the surface.

Color Infrared film captures invisible infrared light from the red end of the spectrum, light that’s not visible to the naked eye and characteristically turning green vegetation a bright red. Shooting analog infrared used to be complicated and expensive, results unpredictable and not making it worth the trouble. Then with commercially available infrared films and a color filters, anyone could experiment, creating artful science fiction landscapes. This I did 40 years ago for fun. But I can assure you  that, if there were dust between the camera and object to be filmed, you filmed nothing. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can film through dust in space to watch the origins of stars, galaxies and the Universe itself, but it is utterly ridiculous. That's why I consider the JWST complete nonsense.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosfaerisk_spredning.png

Some portions of the IR spectrum can't even reach the surface.

Color Infrared film captures invisible infrared light from the red end of the spectrum, light that’s not visible to the naked eye and characteristically turning green vegetation a bright red. Shooting analog infrared used to be complicated and expensive, results unpredictable and not making it worth the trouble. Then with commercially available infrared films and a color filters, anyone could experiment, creating artful science fiction landscapes. This I did 40 years ago for fun. But I can assure you  that, if there were dust between the camera and object to be filmed, you filmed nothing. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can film through dust in space to watch the origins of stars, galaxies and the Universe itself, but it is utterly ridiculous. That's why I consider the JWST complete nonsense.

You thinking that it’s ridiculous means nothing

You thinking that it’s ridiculous means nothing

Only to you. Happy?

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosfaerisk_spredning.png

Some portions of the IR spectrum can't even reach the surface.

Color Infrared film captures invisible infrared light from the red end of the spectrum, light that’s not visible to the naked eye and characteristically turning green vegetation a bright red. Shooting analog infrared used to be complicated and expensive, results unpredictable and not making it worth the trouble. Then with commercially available infrared films and a color filters, anyone could experiment, creating artful science fiction landscapes. This I did 40 years ago for fun. But I can assure you  that, if there were dust between the camera and object to be filmed, you filmed nothing. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can film through dust in space to watch the origins of stars, galaxies and the Universe itself, but it is utterly ridiculous. That's why I consider the JWST complete nonsense.

Why is it ridiculous.

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosfaerisk_spredning.png

Some portions of the IR spectrum can't even reach the surface.

Color Infrared film captures invisible infrared light from the red end of the spectrum, light that’s not visible to the naked eye and characteristically turning green vegetation a bright red. Shooting analog infrared used to be complicated and expensive, results unpredictable and not making it worth the trouble. Then with commercially available infrared films and a color filters, anyone could experiment, creating artful science fiction landscapes. This I did 40 years ago for fun. But I can assure you  that, if there were dust between the camera and object to be filmed, you filmed nothing. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can film through dust in space to watch the origins of stars, galaxies and the Universe itself, but it is utterly ridiculous. That's why I consider the JWST complete nonsense.

Why is it ridiculous.

Read what I write. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can take IR pictures of stars hidden by dust in space. Don't you think it is ridiculous? When I take a picture by something hidden by dust, the picture is just dust!

When I take a picture by something hidden by dust, the picture is just dust!

Try taking a picture of something warm, hidden by dust, with a FLIR camera.

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You thinking that it’s ridiculous means nothing

Only to you. Happy?

No, pretty much everyone you've ever encountered. You've been banned from every conceivable forum except for this one. Zero people take you seriously.

From just one such forum:

There are a number of professional engineers in this thread, some of whom actually work in aerospace.  Please explain why any of us should pay any attention to your (HEIWA) opinion, when you have repeatedly demonstrated ignorance of even the most basic aspects of space flight and an inability to grasp even the most fundamental principles involved.
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Another:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

And another:

It has been repeatedly demonstrated how Apollo went to the Moon and back. And quite frankly, I'm getting tired of seeing you waste people's time by ignoring their explanations. I don't see much point in keeping you around if you are going to keep repeating the same errors despite our best efforts to educate you.

I have no doubt that you actually believe you are correct, but you are not. Your arrogance does not allow you to admit you are wrong, so I can only foresee this discussion going in circles forever.

So what does everyone think? Is it time for me to ban Heiwa if he doesn't start showing some willingness to learn? Or are you happy to keep using Heiwa's ignorance for your own self education?

That's just one forum. Every other one out there has exactly the same response. So no, it's not "only to you". It's to everyone. Ridiculous trolling. For years. That's the only impressive part - How long this idiocy has been kept up. Fortunately it's just a bot we're dealing with. An actual human would be embarrassed by the behavior.

Hm, I just publish my findings in writing about various things at my website, which originally, around 1993, were about better protection of the marine environment against oil spills and safety at sea, etc. And there we are. I am quite happy. I reply to all comments I receive about what I find. Why I get banned at various discussion forums is beyond me.
They don’t like discussions? They love censorship? Some people say I have no money. But I have plenty. Then there are the heroic American clowns having been pissing on the Moon 196972. If you ask them how much fuel they used, no reply. They had 400 000 experts helping them to fake it. What a stupid show! And so on. It is all my fault due to my website that search engines find.

Why I get banned at various discussion forums is beyond me.

That pretty much explains it. The reasons why, since you haven't figured it out, is:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

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Why I get banned at various discussion forums is beyond me.

That pretty much explains it. The reasons why, since you haven't figured it out, is:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

You sound mentally ill. Pls provide me your full style, name, address, telephones, etc, and may recommend some doctor or hospital nearby. Or sue me at the criminal court at Nice, France.

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Why I get banned at various discussion forums is beyond me.

That pretty much explains it. The reasons why, since you haven't figured it out, is:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

You sound mentally ill. Pls provide me your full style, name, address, telephones, etc, and may recommend some doctor or hospital nearby. Or sue me at the criminal court at Nice, France.

Why would I waste my time to sue you? So I could get your half century old camera and a quarter century old web software package from you? That's about all you got. The fact remains, as many, many others across the web have stated:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

I mean you admitted that your fuel "calculations" don't include a draw down of mass as fuel is expended. Pretty much the core of any orbital mechanics assumption. And then ask people to give you the correct calculations in some sort of fraudulent challenge. When they do, you just say, "No, your calculations don't match my (incorrect) ones." That's not a challenge. That is just arrogance, idiocy, and lunacy.

We're not going to start demanding people share personal info or file suit on these boards, Heiwa. That will be shut down quickly if it persists.

I was just watching the video below about the actuators that control the positioning of the mirrors, they can make adjustments at 2nm over a range of 2cm which is just crazy, all with one motor.  That's insane precision over such a large range, and I have a large collection of micrometers and motors and gearings, nothing I have comes close to that.  Six of them allow the mirrors to be adjusted at any angle and in any direction.  I had wondered how they actually moved them and now I know. Fascinating.

And it makes me feel sad for people who look at all this amazing technology and clever engineering and just angerly call it fake.  I can't even imagine living in a world like that where there is no wonder or satisfaction at humanities achievements, just anger and resentment at all the imagined conspiracies and lies.

I was just watching the video below about the actuators that control the positioning of the mirrors, they can make adjustments at 2nm over a range of 2cm which is just crazy, all with one motor.  That's insane precision over such a large range, and I have a large collection of micrometers and motors and gearings, nothing I have comes close to that.  Six of them allow the mirrors to be adjusted at any angle and in any direction.  I had wondered how they actually moved them and now I know. Fascinating.

And it makes me feel sad for people who look at all this amazing technology and clever engineering and just angerly call it fake.  I can't even imagine living in a world like that where there is no wonder or satisfaction at humanities achievements, just anger and resentment at all the imagined conspiracies and lies.

Yeah, just crazy about the tech involved. I've watched a bunch of the 'Smarter Everyday' engineer guy on YouTube. It turns out his Dad was part of the team that did the critical measuring and such for the sunshield. It's a long video, but it's great to see the Son and Dad geek out about the tech in front of the actual thing that's now 1m miles from here.

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Why I get banned at various discussion forums is beyond me.

That pretty much explains it. The reasons why, since you haven't figured it out, is:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

You sound mentally ill. Pls provide me your full style, name, address, telephones, etc, and may recommend some doctor or hospital nearby. Or sue me at the criminal court at Nice, France.

Why would I waste my time to sue you? So I could get your half century old camera and a quarter century old web software package from you? That's about all you got. The fact remains, as many, many others across the web have stated:

1. You are offering money you don't have, for a challenge you have defined poorly - and redefined - and has no proper adjudication.  Your challenge is fraudulent.
2. Your primary calculation is completely wrong because you don't understand energy balances.  Your errors have been explained to you in excruciating detail, yet you refuse to acknowledge them.  You simply keep repeating your error - even after the simplest possible case provides an obviously wrong answer using your method.
3. You have no idea what you are talking about, and no apparent interest or ability in relieving your own ignorance.  Yet you continue to offer you ignorant opinion without even acknowledging the corrections and voluminous references provided to you.

I mean you admitted that your fuel "calculations" don't include a draw down of mass as fuel is expended. Pretty much the core of any orbital mechanics assumption. And then ask people to give you the correct calculations in some sort of fraudulent challenge. When they do, you just say, "No, your calculations don't match my (incorrect) ones." That's not a challenge. That is just arrogance, idiocy, and lunacy.

It seems you don't believe me and my Challenge and are upset about it. You are not alone. It is your fault.  You cannot do a proper astrophysical calculation how to jump from one orbit to another (from around the Earth to around the Moon, etc). This JWST object is the latest NASA fraud. It is supposed to have left Earth one time in an orbit that includes a moving location  L2 beyond the Moon. Arriving at location L2 it is said to start orbiting (!!??)  location L2 instead, etc. But there is no way to calculate the trajectory (orbit) to L2, incl. time, speed, direction, when arriving/docking with L2.  And L2 has no mass. It is nothing in space. But NASA says you can orbit it!!! And when orbiting L2, NASA says JWST can see other objects in space that are hidden by dust in space, etc, etc. Infrared light is not affected by dust! Then there is the solar wind! It is bringing JWST out of its orbit around L2. I know what the solar wind is. It is energy/photons ejected from the Sun that heats up the object they encounter, e.g. me sunbathing on my roof. But it does not heat up JWST!! Instead JWST cools down in its orbit around L2. And you believe all that bullshit?

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Have you ever looked out of a window?

Oh, I've done better than that.  I've actually gone outside to look at the stars.  But I can't say that I've seen infrared light from galaxies billions of light years away.  Maybe your eyes are better than mine.

Why do you bother replying with nonsense bullshit. You should go up on the roof of where you lodge and see ... the same shit. And then start to think.

Can you see, Infrared red? No you can't, can you see galaxies billions of light years away? No you can't.

I just look out of my window. I have a very nice view. And apart from eyes I use my brain. Try it!

Do you really believe that you can see IR photons?

?? I just use my eyes. And this morning the Sun photons at 06.59 h hit me when the Sun rose outside my window. It was a nice sun rise. The light is very, very strong.

Can you tell an objects temperature just by looking at it?
Can you see in total darkness?

No, I use a thermometer to measure temperature. Or my finger.
No, in darkness I cannot see a thing. I use my eyes when there is lightning and light. Do you see in darkness?

So you admit that the JWST can see things that you can't.
Because The JWST can see infrared light with wavelengeths of up to 30 micrometers.
Room temperature object peak at around 10.

?? NASA/ESA says JWST can take pictures, which I can do from my window because I have a camera. What camera JWST has is not clear. If I put IR film in my camera, it can take IR photos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmosfaerisk_spredning.png

Some portions of the IR spectrum can't even reach the surface.

Color Infrared film captures invisible infrared light from the red end of the spectrum, light that’s not visible to the naked eye and characteristically turning green vegetation a bright red. Shooting analog infrared used to be complicated and expensive, results unpredictable and not making it worth the trouble. Then with commercially available infrared films and a color filters, anyone could experiment, creating artful science fiction landscapes. This I did 40 years ago for fun. But I can assure you  that, if there were dust between the camera and object to be filmed, you filmed nothing. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can film through dust in space to watch the origins of stars, galaxies and the Universe itself, but it is utterly ridiculous. That's why I consider the JWST complete nonsense.

Why is it ridiculous.

Read what I write. NASA/ESA suggest that the JWST can take IR pictures of stars hidden by dust in space. Don't you think it is ridiculous? When I take a picture by something hidden by dust, the picture is just dust!

That's because your taking the picutre in visible light, they're using infrared.
Buildings block visible light, builidngs don't block long wavelength radio waves.
Dust blocks visible light, it doesn't block photons with wavelengths larger then the size of the dust particles, Look up difraction.