This earth is not the real world

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #240 on: November 15, 2021, 06:03:39 PM »
it is now completely disproven that slaves built pyamids with primitive tools. It has been proven without any doubt that it requires advanced technology to built pyramids, technology way beyond ours.
Pure BS.
It has been proven that primitive tools could have built the pyramids.
Just what part do you think requires advanced technology?

Again, stop just asserting BS. Try justifying it.

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« Reply #241 on: November 15, 2021, 06:04:01 PM »
That could not be done even with billion Jewish slaves. It takes precise math that only can be calculated with modern means. Can billion bus drivers fly a plane? In the same way these unskilled slaves could not build pyramids. What makes you even think that there were slaves? The notion that Egyptians had Jewish slaves comes from the old testament of the bible but you don't even believe in God or the bible LOL
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #242 on: November 15, 2021, 06:07:39 PM »
I di actuall - JackB doesnt.

And jews are good at counting money, what makes you think they cant count bricks?
Haaawaaaaaa!


Of course, the slaves merely do the labour work.
The slavers need to know whats going on.



Stackijg bricks isnt rocket science - its preschoolers and pottery on a massive scale.

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #243 on: November 15, 2021, 06:33:45 PM »
That could not be done even with billion Jewish slaves.
Prove it.

It takes precise math that only can be calculated with modern means.
Care to provide an example of this precise math, and show why it is needed?

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #244 on: November 15, 2021, 10:23:50 PM »
Can you tell me what facts have been proven? Actually it is now completely disproven that slaves built pyamids with primitive tools. It has been proven without any doubt that it requires advanced technology to built pyramids, technology way beyond ours.
Where?

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #245 on: November 16, 2021, 12:03:15 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_hieroglyphs



Is that New's evidence for Apache attack helicopters raining holy hell on the enemies of Egypt back in the day?

If so, that is, umm, pretty weak, I'd say.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #246 on: November 16, 2021, 12:04:52 AM »
That could not be done even with billion Jewish slaves. It takes precise math that only can be calculated with modern means. Can billion bus drivers fly a plane? In the same way these unskilled slaves could not build pyramids. What makes you even think that there were slaves? The notion that Egyptians had Jewish slaves comes from the old testament of the bible but you don't even believe in God or the bible LOL

Archeology does not tell us that Hebrew slaves build the pyramids.  All the evidence points to ordinary Egyptians building them during inundation, when flooding meant they could not farm, and most of the country sat around twiddling their thumbs.

Furthermore, there are multiple extant papyrus detailing Egyptian mathematics, which prove they had the mathematical skills.  They include math for calculating angles, volumes and base areas of pyramids and frustums.

You are also forgetting that the ones doing the grunt work (be they slaves or not) wouldn't have needed mathematical skills.  Construction labourers in the modern world do not design the buildings they work on.  That is done by specially trained architects.

Not that any of the mathematics regarding pyramids is difficult; pyramids are one of the easier shapes to calculate.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #247 on: November 16, 2021, 01:29:29 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_hieroglyphs



Is that New's evidence for Apache attack helicopters raining holy hell on the enemies of Egypt back in the day?

If so, that is, umm, pretty weak, I'd say.


Don't you accept this as evidence? I think this picture speaks thousand words. Notice there is one aircraft shown there that is almost exactly the same as the one found in South America. These drawings are clear evidence of ancient flight, you can spew your disbelief or whatever but the ancient technology is in your face. Boo Ya.
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New Earth

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #248 on: November 16, 2021, 01:33:48 PM »
I di actuall - JackB doesnt.

And jews are good at counting money, what makes you think they cant count bricks?
Haaawaaaaaa!


Of course, the slaves merely do the labour work.
The slavers need to know whats going on.



Stackijg bricks isnt rocket science - its preschoolers and pottery on a massive scale.


Very woke of you to be such an asshole anti semite piece of shit. Thank ypu for showing us your true colors. Care to post a black joke now since you are on a roll.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #249 on: November 16, 2021, 01:36:09 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_hieroglyphs



Is that New's evidence for Apache attack helicopters raining holy hell on the enemies of Egypt back in the day?

If so, that is, umm, pretty weak, I'd say.


Don't you accept this as evidence? I think this picture speaks thousand words. Notice there is one aircraft shown there that is almost exactly the same as the one found in South America. These drawings are clear evidence of ancient flight, you can spew your disbelief or whatever but the ancient technology is in your face. Boo Ya.

right next to the jetsons flyiing machine and luke skywalker's tatooine speeder

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Themightykabool

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #250 on: November 16, 2021, 01:44:10 PM »
I di actuall - JackB doesnt.

And jews are good at counting money, what makes you think they cant count bricks?
Haaawaaaaaa!


Of course, the slaves merely do the labour work.
The slavers need to know whats going on.



Stackijg bricks isnt rocket science - its preschoolers and pottery on a massive scale.


Very woke of you to be such an asshole anti semite piece of shit. Thank ypu for showing us your true colors. Care to post a black joke now since you are on a roll.




i'm not anti semite.
i said tehy're good at math.
it's a compliment.
harhaaaaar

give me a context and i'll make fun of black people too

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New Earth

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #251 on: November 16, 2021, 02:09:32 PM »
I swear God as much as I hated JJA he was more fun then this Kabool guy. Why Kabbol is still allowed to post his non sense is beyond me.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #252 on: November 16, 2021, 02:15:43 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_hieroglyphs



Is that New's evidence for Apache attack helicopters raining holy hell on the enemies of Egypt back in the day?

If so, that is, umm, pretty weak, I'd say.


Don't you accept this as evidence? I think this picture speaks thousand words. Notice there is one aircraft shown there that is almost exactly the same as the one found in South America. These drawings are clear evidence of ancient flight, you can spew your disbelief or whatever but the ancient technology is in your face. Boo Ya.

I don’t think you get it. As I think Calen & Jack have pointed out there is no corroborating evidence to support the claim. For one, archeologists have explained that the glyph has several layers of different eras that attribute to the shapes we see today. As well, as has been pointed out, the no corroborating evidence bit. Lots of stuff/tech goes into making a chopper. None of which has ever been found or mentioned. I mean where are all of the engine parts that could have been scattered about everywhere in Egypt? Why no cars, trucks, hoists, anything an engine is good for? Nothing, nada. Not to mention all of the other tech needed. Nothing, nada.
A flying machine as complicated as a helicopter, in ancient Egypt and there aren’t effigies built lauding such a miraculous contraption. They had that, but no guns, no electricity, no phones…how odd.
Stick to learning stuff from Ancient Aliens on the history channel. The depth, or lack thereof, suits you.

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #253 on: November 16, 2021, 03:25:52 PM »
Don't you accept this as evidence? I think this picture speaks thousand words.
I wouldn't say a thousand, just a few, based upon the glyphs written in the stone.

Again, all you have is superficial resemblance.

If you had no idea what a helicopter was and you were provided with that, you would not say it is a flying device with a rotary wing.

So no, it is not "clear evidence of ancient flight."

You want it to be evidence as it fits your fantasy, so you pretend it is.
That is confirmation bias where you have already made your conclusion and are looking for whatever BS you can to pretend it is justified.

If instead you examine critically and honestly, you find no sufficient evidence to conclude that the ancient Egyptians had helicopters.

If you would like some more specific points for what it is lacking:
A tail rotor
A swash plate
A landing gear/undercarriage
A shaft for the main blade to rotate around.
Any indication of an aerodynamic rotary wing instead of just a line.
Any indication of any 3D shape at all.
But perhaps most important of all, ANYTHING to corroborate it. You have a single piece of stone. If they really had helicopters, don't you think you would find them all over the place? Both in terms of inscriptions on walls, and actual parts of them. Why is it just this one stone that has it?

you can spew your disbelief or whatever but the ancient technology is in your face. Boo Ya.
Where?
If it was in my face it would more intricate drawings showing the inner workings of it; or it would be actual physical machines.
But it isn't. Instead we have 2 overlapping glyphs with superficial resemblance.

You may as well claim the 3 vertical lines with a horizontal line across the top is proof they played cricket (i.e. the modern game of it). After all, it looks "just like a wicket"

I swear God as much as I hated JJA he was more fun then this Kabool guy. Why Kabbol is still allowed to post his non sense is beyond me.
Perhaps you should start by asking why are you allowed to post yours?

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #254 on: November 16, 2021, 10:47:30 PM »
If it was just one drawing that looked like a helicopter I would agree that may be its just coincidence but I see many on these drawings that resemble modern or even beyond modern crafts. I see an airplane, UFO (saucer shaped) and even a submarine. Are they all just look a likes? I know archeologists deny it and try to explain it away, hoping guys like you will buy it which you did. The elites are not gonna allow the truth to be told. As I said before they sold you on fake history and you guys don't want to hear anything other then what comes out of the mouth of mainstream. Can you just entertain the possibility that earth was once very advanced and now we live in a world that came after a great flood or catastrophe. I guess you can't.
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« Reply #255 on: November 16, 2021, 11:08:55 PM »
If it was just one drawing that looked like a helicopter I would agree that may be its just coincidence
And that is all you have. 1 drawing that superficially resembles a helicopter.

I see many on these drawings that resemble modern or even beyond modern crafts.
You mean you see many vague shapes that bear a superficial resemblance to them.
That is not a reason to think it is them.

For example, a circle doesn't mean a flying saucer.

If they actually had this technology you should be able to find plenty of examples of each of them, and they should be a lot more clear.
But you don't.

I know archeologists deny it and try to explain it away
No, they don't try to explain it away.
Instead they take an honest, unbiased look at the evidence; unlike you who wants there to be aliens and all this tech so you look for whatever excuse you can to pretend it is supported.

As I said before they sold you on fake history
Yet you cannot substantiate that claim.
It not being the history you want doesn't make it fake.

Can you just entertain the possibility that earth was once very advanced and now we live in a world that came after a great flood or catastrophe. I guess you can't.
I can. The problem is there is no evidence to support it.
Entertaining the possibility doesn't mean blindly accepting it and looking for whatever you can manipulate into pretending to support it.

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #256 on: November 16, 2021, 11:30:53 PM »
I'm not reading you Jack anymore so don't even waste time posting. I'm just giving you heads up so that you don't waste your time. Kabool I don't believe the helicopter is alien, I honestly think it was Egyptian, I believe they had flying machines. And Calen I knew you were gonna say its a fish, all the non believers say the same thing. Some people won't believe in ancient advanced technology even if they go back in time and see it for themselves lol

What's wrong with Ancient Aliens show on History channel? Its not presented as entertainment or science fiction. You guys simply choose to dismiss certain evidence or argument, very bias.

No, it's presented as a speculative tv series.

"Ancient alien theorists believe....."
"Ancient alien theorists suggest....."
"Ancient astronaut theorists believe..."
"Some Ancient alien theorists believe....."
"As Ancient alien theorists contend......."
"As Ancient astronaut theorists contend..."

Watch one of your favourite Ancient Alien episodes, New Earth, and record a tally how many times one of the above statements is made by the narrator......

New Earth, I reckon YOU are an ancient alien theorist.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Calen

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #257 on: November 17, 2021, 01:14:20 AM »
If it was just one drawing that looked like a helicopter I would agree that may be its just coincidence but I see many on these drawings that resemble modern or even beyond modern crafts. I see an airplane, UFO (saucer shaped) and even a submarine. Are they all just look a likes? I know archeologists deny it and try to explain it away, hoping guys like you will buy it which you did. The elites are not gonna allow the truth to be told. As I said before they sold you on fake history and you guys don't want to hear anything other then what comes out of the mouth of mainstream. Can you just entertain the possibility that earth was once very advanced and now we live in a world that came after a great flood or catastrophe. I guess you can't.


We can certainly entertain the idea, but without corroborating evidence it can only remain that: entertainment.

Evidence must be able to withstand interrogation, and the supposed evidence for advance technology in early history does not.

Here would be my examination of the evidence your present:

Firstly an ancient Egyptian hieroglyph resembling a helicopter.

1) Does the context of the hieroglyph support it being a helicopter or even a symbol of flight itself?  No, as the text talks about protecting Egypt and resisting Egypts enemies.  A standard temple inscription.

2) Are there other examples that support it being a helicopter? That I know of, no, though admittedly I haven't examined every hieroglyph in Egypt so I cannot be certain. The lack of published images of similar hieroglyphs suggests to me that they are either incredibly rare, or non-existent. In and of itself that proves nothing, but provides no support for your idea either.

3) Is there any other evidence that Egypt possessed advance technology. No.  In fact all the evidence points towards them having standard bronze age technology.


Secondly, the Quimbaya artifacts:

Yes, they look like planes.  However, when one consideres that early planes were modelled on birds, then it is hardly surprising that models of birds resemble planes, especially if they are highly stylised.

The existence of the artifacts themselves do not constitute evidence, so one must look wider.  Is there any other evidence from the area that suggests they had advanced technology? Again, no.  There is no evidence that they had advanced technology, and no precursors to advanced technology have been found.  Admittedly lack of evidence is not proof, but it strongly suggests they didn't.


As both examples seem to provide no concrete proof, then one must widen one's view.

The Abydos inscription was completed some time during Ramesses II's reign, so around 1250 BCE.  The Quimbaya artifacts have been dated to around 1000 CE. Therefore this knowledge must have existed a little over a thousand years ago, and any global flood or catastrophe that wiped out this knowledge must have happened after then, and within recorded human history. There is no evidence of this in recorded history.

One could say that the Egyptians and Quimbaya rediscovered this lost history, but one must explain how this knowledge (and supporting evidence) was again lost. What evidence can we find that shows the loss of this technology not just once, but twice?

So you can see, I have entertained the idea, and examined the evidence on which it stands.  As all the evidence can be explained in a more simple way, and without contradiction, and there is a distinct lack of evidence that supports the idea, I can only arrive at the conclusion that the evidence has been misinterpreted. That ancient civilizations did not have advanced technology.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #258 on: November 17, 2021, 02:33:22 AM »
1) Does the context of the hieroglyph support it being a helicopter or even a symbol of flight itself?  No, as the text talks about protecting Egypt and resisting Egypts enemies.  A standard temple inscription.
Though, yes, an Apache would have been great at protecting the interests of the pharaoh. Thirty mike-mike at 600 rounds per minute does deter hostiles.

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #259 on: November 17, 2021, 03:52:09 AM »
1) Does the context of the hieroglyph support it being a helicopter or even a symbol of flight itself?  No, as the text talks about protecting Egypt and resisting Egypts enemies.  A standard temple inscription.
Though, yes, an Apache would have been great at protecting the interests of the pharaoh. Thirty mike-mike at 600 rounds per minute does deter hostiles.
There's no arguing with that.  A most effective deterent.

I should have been a little more precise, meaning lexical context, as in "He jumped in his helicopter and flew to Pi-Ramesses."
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #260 on: November 18, 2021, 09:57:14 AM »
Beyond our cranes and cutters and loaders and CAD and all put tech....





Aliens?
Nah
Imagine what he couldve done with a 10,000 jewish slaves.
Probably make a cube or some other geometric shape.
The pyramids were not built by slaves, Jewish or otherwise.

They were built be free Egyptian men, paid a wage.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #261 on: November 18, 2021, 10:39:55 AM »
what was Heston doing/
stomping grapes?
LET MY PEOPLE GOOOOOOO

usually all the high paying unionized jobs don't last when international trade allows for explotation of "free" labour that don't require a higher standard of safety or cost of living or environmental "red tape".
hazaaaaaa



https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves/






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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #262 on: November 18, 2021, 11:36:02 AM »
My preferred version:


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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #263 on: November 18, 2021, 11:53:07 AM »
Everyone knows they were built by the Goa'uld.
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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #264 on: November 18, 2021, 12:34:57 PM »
are you the gate keeper?




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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #265 on: November 18, 2021, 01:32:55 PM »
I’m the Key Master.

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #266 on: November 19, 2021, 02:55:38 AM »


I submit this evidence in support Earth is not real. The odds of this happening are astronomical. Yet here it is, performed as easily as if it were 'programmed'.

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Re: This earth is not the real world
« Reply #267 on: November 19, 2021, 03:23:24 PM »
I submit this evidence in support Earth is not real. The odds of this happening are astronomical. Yet here it is, performed as easily as if it were 'programmed'.
I submit shuffling a deck of cards.
The odds of getting it in the order I did are beyond astronomical, yet here it is.

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« Reply #268 on: November 19, 2021, 06:14:25 PM »


I submit this evidence in support Earth is not real. The odds of this happening are astronomical. Yet here it is, performed as easily as if it were 'programmed'.

The odds of what happening are astronomical?

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« Reply #269 on: November 19, 2021, 06:19:41 PM »
I submit this evidence in support Earth is not real. The odds of this happening are astronomical. Yet here it is, performed as easily as if it were 'programmed'.
I submit shuffling a deck of cards.
The odds of getting it in the order I did are beyond astronomical, yet here it is.

To replicate the example, you would have to shuffle the deck and before putting each card down, say what it is. Or shuffle it and strike the same combination again.

Otherwise it's just a normal random occurance, not at all noteworthy.



I submit this evidence in support Earth is not real. The odds of this happening are astronomical. Yet here it is, performed as easily as if it were 'programmed'.

The odds of what happening are astronomical?

The video not available to you?

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