Poll

On the subject of transgender

Put the transwomen in women's sports, change rooms, homeless shelters, gyms, prisons, everything! They are women afterall
3 (9.4%)
Trans people should be treated as a mental health problem. They aren't the opposite sex so keep them out of it
4 (12.5%)
We shouldn't berate, discriminate or abuse trans people. But neither should we put women in danger to cater their every demand
11 (34.4%)
As long as they get the chop and have the muscle mass of a soy boy it's all good
0 (0%)
Make a new class. Male, female, trans. Trans men/women belong in there
3 (9.4%)
I don't mind what an adult chooses but kids absolutely should grow up first. Trans surgery on kids is child abuse
11 (34.4%)
I don't care or have an opinion about this
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 19

The Great Gender Bender Debate

  • 212 Replies
  • 24212 Views
*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2021, 08:04:06 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

JJA

  • 6873
  • +2/-6
  • Math is math!
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2021, 08:10:29 AM »
Ok, I think it's time I explained my views and where they are coming from. It's not because I'm a woke corporate drone or a radical left wing activist or virtue signaling.

The following two facts are what forms my views, aside from a general feeling people would be free to be themselves.

1. Intersex people (now preferred over the term hermaphrodite) are real.  There are people born with mixed sets of genitals, also people with female bodies and male sex organs, or any combination of them.  If you have both male and female organs, which gender are you?  These people are not imagining it, this is not a mental disorder.

2. Chimeras. These are also real. This happens when twin eggs are fertilized, and merge together at a very early stage. There is usually no outward indication of this, but they literally are two people.  Their skin and blood can have different DNA. They could have organs from one twin and organs from another in the same body.  Again, this is real, and we have no idea how many there are because very few people get DNA tests from more than one organ.  Usually blood or saliva.

So what do we have here?  Facts that you can be born with an indeterminate gender.  Bodies can form part male, part female, and this includes the brain too!  It's the most complex structure in the body and even at birth is still forming new structures and functions.

We have a range of possibilities, from full blown physically identifiable mismatched gender, to people who might have some female brain structures in an otherwise male body.

Not to mention with a chimera... a person can LITERALLY be a mans brain trapped in a woman's body. This is not a figure of speech. This is something that can literally happen, if one twin is male and the other female. I can't stress THIS point enough.

And we have no idea how common it is.

So to say there are only two genders... that gays are sick that trans people are sick and it's all just in their head. Bullshit.

Is every single tran person suffering from chimerisim? Of course not. Some might not even have a biological need for it, humans are diverse and have all kinds of reasons for being what they are.

So that's where I am coming from. There are real, actual, biological and physical reasons to reject the idea that there are only two genders. The reality is much more complex and messy and that is why argue and advocate for them.  Because in my mind it's the right thing to do.

And yes, because of friends I have that have transitioned, and I have seen the struggle and pain they endure to do it and how they are treated, and mistreated by former friends who can't handle it, and even some family members... not to mention the general public.

I don't expect to change a lot of minds here, but it makes me feel better to rant, so I did. And I honestly want people to understand why I think the way I do.

Intersex people have been begging people to stop conflating DSDs with transgender for years and years. They are not a third sex.  They are males and females with differences in sexual development. Doctors literally have to know what sex they are in order to diagnose them. Of course not every single trans person is a chimera, this is a ridiculously ill informed argument. There are only two sexes.

I'm not conflating anyone with anything, I'm demonstrating that humans can be born with a mix of genders and even separate DNA in one body. That there is a biological basis for some people to feel their bodies don't represent their minds. That it's a mistake to jump to conclusions about why someone is tran and assume it's just them being sick or following a fad.

I'm not sure what you mean by there are only two sexes. What do you call people who are born with both?

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2021, 08:31:06 AM »
Mosaicism does not mean the person has both functioning testes and ovaries. Gametes, or the potential to produce one or the other type of gametes (in the case of infertility, for whatever reason) determines sex. There are no third type of gamete.  There are really great resources out there, both by intersex individuals, and scientists who explain all this. They are constantly dragged into the trans debate, when they don't have anything to do with it. Human sex is not a spectrum, there are no speggs!

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

Wolvaccine

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 25833
  • +3/-2
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2021, 08:45:47 AM »
You can't have a male and female go on to produce something totally different - a new sex. To have a 3rd or more sex in the animal that sex would need to have functional reproducibility. If it were possible, society would have plenty of them

There are 2 sexes only. That is just the fact of reality

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • 45077
  • +87/-106
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #94 on: January 27, 2021, 08:49:04 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #95 on: January 27, 2021, 08:56:25 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

No there isn't. If it were a spectrum there would be other types of gametes. Whats on a spectrum are sexual characteristics. Such as height - males are typically taller than females, but there is a spectrum of height and some overlap. Females typically have larger breasts than males, but it is a spectrum and there is some overlap.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

Wolvaccine

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 25833
  • +3/-2
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2021, 08:56:52 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

Are you referring to people who might be XXY or XYY etc?

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

Stash

  • Ethical Stash
  • 13398
  • +2/-2
  • I am car!
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #97 on: January 27, 2021, 08:58:24 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20

The individual who wrote that to the author is obviously a psychopath. On the flip side, is there really a "trans fad" that is destroying girls like a "contagion", as the author once put it?

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #98 on: January 27, 2021, 09:05:01 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

Are you referring to people who might be XXY or XYY etc?

XXY is Klinefelter syndrome, a male DSD. Usually results in small testes and infertility, but sometimes not infertile.
XYY is Jacob's syndrome, a male DSD. This one has some learning disabilities and behavioral issues. It goes undiagnosed sometimes because there are no outward indications this person has a dsd.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

Wolvaccine

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 25833
  • +3/-2
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #99 on: January 27, 2021, 09:10:26 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

Are you referring to people who might be XXY or XYY etc?

XXY is Klinefelter syndrome, a male DSD. Usually results in small testes and infertility, but sometimes not infertile.
XYY is Jacob's syndrome, a male DSD. This one has some learning disabilities and behavioral issues. It goes undiagnosed sometimes because there are no outward indications this person has a dsd.

Yeah no matter how the chromosomes are arranged, it's still only X and Y. There is still only sperm and egg. There is nothing else

A 3rd sex would have it's own thing, be functional and able to reproduce. This isn't found anywhere

Social constructs and words can't change that reality.

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #100 on: January 27, 2021, 09:13:33 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20

The individual who wrote that to the author is obviously a psychopath. On the flip side, is there really a "trans fad" that is destroying girls like a "contagion", as the author once put it?

Yeah, the percentage of girls who think they are trans once they hit puberty has increased by a few thousand percent. It spreads through schools sometimes, and it is definitely influenced by the internet. It's called rapid onset gender dysphoria. Abigail Shrier doesn't think trans people shouldn't exist or that transition isn't the right choice for some people, she thinks we should be more careful about giving young people puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. It's a huge decision for a young person to make! The pro puberty blocker crowd never mentions that those blockers also block the cognitive development that occurs during puberty, which is pretty important in being able to make life changing decisions.  Nearly 100% of kids with dysphoria that go on blockers end up going onto cross sex hormones, about 80% of kids with dysphoria who are not put on blockers desist.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

boydster

  • Assistant to the Regional Manager
  • 17774
  • +6/-4
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #101 on: January 27, 2021, 09:18:56 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

Are you referring to people who might be XXY or XYY etc?

XXY is Klinefelter syndrome, a male DSD. Usually results in small testes and infertility, but sometimes not infertile.
XYY is Jacob's syndrome, a male DSD. This one has some learning disabilities and behavioral issues. It goes undiagnosed sometimes because there are no outward indications this person has a dsd.

Yeah no matter how the chromosomes are arranged, it's still only X and Y. There is still only sperm and egg. There is nothing else

A 3rd sex would have it's own thing, be functional and able to reproduce. This isn't found anywhere

Social constructs and words can't change that reality.
There's also Turner Syndrome, where the chromosomes are called XO, with the second chromosome being either malformed or missing. If it's malformed, it's neither X nor Y. I only know about this one because a friend of mine has a daughter with it.

*

JJA

  • 6873
  • +2/-6
  • Math is math!
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #102 on: January 27, 2021, 09:25:56 AM »
Mosaicism does not mean the person has both functioning testes and ovaries. Gametes, or the potential to produce one or the other type of gametes (in the case of infertility, for whatever reason) determines sex. There are no third type of gamete.  There are really great resources out there, both by intersex individuals, and scientists who explain all this. They are constantly dragged into the trans debate, when they don't have anything to do with it. Human sex is not a spectrum, there are no speggs!

It's only not a spectrum because you are deciding your specific criteria and dragging the debate into what is trans or what is intersex when that is not at all what I am talking about.

You are defining an individuals sex based on which gamite they can produce. That's fine if you want to classify them that way.

I'm saying that how a person FEELS, their sexual urges, how they perceive themselves is affected by more than that one ability to produce sperm or eggs. There are a large number of ways the human body expresses it's sex, and a single body can have a mix of these. How they affect their brain and in turn their mind and emotions and feelings is what determines if they are happy and comfortable in their body, or if they feel their body doesn't match with how they feel.

That was the whole point of my bringing up all the various ways a body can be a mix of genders. I'm not saying that there is a specific 3rd gender, I'm saying that some people have a mix of both and how they feel about themselves might not match how YOU feel when you look at their physical body.

Everyone saying there is no 3rd sex is missing the point.  People can be a mix of the two, and that can cause them to want to change their body to match their mind. They can have biological reasons for this, they aren't all just brainwashed into a fad. And if a fully male adult wants to wear a dress for no other reason than they like to look pretty, that's ok too.

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #103 on: January 27, 2021, 09:31:59 AM »
You brought up intersex conditions, which are determined scientifically. It has nothing to do with how someone feels.

You are mixing up gender identity and feelings with the science of sex. You also use gender and sex as if they mean the same thing!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

Crouton

  • Flat Earth Inspector General of High Fashion Crimes and Misdemeanors
  • 17037
  • +5/-4
  • He who walks away from Omelas
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #104 on: January 27, 2021, 09:43:51 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20

The individual who wrote that to the author is obviously a psychopath. On the flip side, is there really a "trans fad" that is destroying girls like a "contagion", as the author once put it?

Here's the root of this as far as I can tell.  A lot of teenage girls suffer from anxiety and depression.  Testosterone, it turns out, does quite a bit to alleviate this.  And what's a great excuse to gorge yourself on testosterone?  Yep.  Transitioning to a man.

I don't have it handy but there was this joe rogan podcast she was on.  Very interesting stuff.
Intelligentia et magnanimitas vincvnt violentiam et desperationem.
The truth behind NASA's budget

*

Stash

  • Ethical Stash
  • 13398
  • +2/-2
  • I am car!
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #105 on: January 27, 2021, 09:45:07 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20

The individual who wrote that to the author is obviously a psychopath. On the flip side, is there really a "trans fad" that is destroying girls like a "contagion", as the author once put it?

Yeah, the percentage of girls who think they are trans once they hit puberty has increased by a few thousand percent. It spreads through schools sometimes, and it is definitely influenced by the internet. It's called rapid onset gender dysphoria. Abigail Shrier doesn't think trans people shouldn't exist or that transition isn't the right choice for some people, she thinks we should be more careful about giving young people puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. It's a huge decision for a young person to make! The pro puberty blocker crowd never mentions that those blockers also block the cognitive development that occurs during puberty, which is pretty important in being able to make life changing decisions.  Nearly 100% of kids with dysphoria that go on blockers end up going onto cross sex hormones, about 80% of kids with dysphoria who are not put on blockers desist.

Thanks for the 'splainer. Something I was completely unaware even existed: puberty blockers. What a decidedly dicey scenario, to be faced with some sort of decision to stave off puberty. I can't imagine a kid being in such distress that the option to do so is weighed. That must be horrible. As well as for the parents, all involved.

*

Crouton

  • Flat Earth Inspector General of High Fashion Crimes and Misdemeanors
  • 17037
  • +5/-4
  • He who walks away from Omelas
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #106 on: January 27, 2021, 09:58:33 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20

The individual who wrote that to the author is obviously a psychopath. On the flip side, is there really a "trans fad" that is destroying girls like a "contagion", as the author once put it?

Yeah, the percentage of girls who think they are trans once they hit puberty has increased by a few thousand percent. It spreads through schools sometimes, and it is definitely influenced by the internet. It's called rapid onset gender dysphoria. Abigail Shrier doesn't think trans people shouldn't exist or that transition isn't the right choice for some people, she thinks we should be more careful about giving young people puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. It's a huge decision for a young person to make! The pro puberty blocker crowd never mentions that those blockers also block the cognitive development that occurs during puberty, which is pretty important in being able to make life changing decisions.  Nearly 100% of kids with dysphoria that go on blockers end up going onto cross sex hormones, about 80% of kids with dysphoria who are not put on blockers desist.

Thanks for the 'splainer. Something I was completely unaware even existed: puberty blockers. What a decidedly dicey scenario, to be faced with some sort of decision to stave off puberty. I can't imagine a kid being in such distress that the option to do so is weighed. That must be horrible. As well as for the parents, all involved.

It's a nightmare scenario for parents.

Suppose you have a child that says, "hey dad I'm transgender.  Let's get started".  The problem is kids are morons and if they get surrounded by people who push this then they'll just start repeating it.  So is this kid really transgender?

Hmm... better ask a doctor.  Except, now become this subject is such a hot button doctors will not give you their honest medical opinion on the subject.  They don't want to be cancelled.

My feelings are that "legitimate", for lack of a better word, trans people exist and should be a protected class much like gay people.  But I also believe that "illegitmate", also for lack of a better word, trans people are out there who are just doing weird shit to get attention or other reasons I can't explain.
Intelligentia et magnanimitas vincvnt violentiam et desperationem.
The truth behind NASA's budget

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #107 on: January 27, 2021, 10:23:26 AM »
There are laws in the works to make it illegal to offer any type of counseling that isn't affirmation only. They have ripped off the language of "conversion therapy" (which is fucking bad, you can't pray the gay away), and want people to think that watchful waiting, with proper therapy to make sure is somehow the same thing. It sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the pharmaceutical industry is behind these proposed laws.

There are many doctors, therapists, psychiatrists, etc out there who think watchful waiting is better, but they are terrified to go against the current push. They not only get cancelled (which involves threats of physical violence to themselves and their families), they risk losing their jobs and careers. Look up what happened to Ken Zucker if you want to see how it plays out.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

boydster

  • Assistant to the Regional Manager
  • 17774
  • +6/-4
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #108 on: January 27, 2021, 10:37:00 AM »
Korean feminists are on fire.

Also, this is what women who speak, and write about all this are up against. These kinds of messages are extremely common, you don't have to be famous to be threatened in this way.  https://twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1354272038634962949?s=20

The individual who wrote that to the author is obviously a psychopath. On the flip side, is there really a "trans fad" that is destroying girls like a "contagion", as the author once put it?

Yeah, the percentage of girls who think they are trans once they hit puberty has increased by a few thousand percent. It spreads through schools sometimes, and it is definitely influenced by the internet. It's called rapid onset gender dysphoria. Abigail Shrier doesn't think trans people shouldn't exist or that transition isn't the right choice for some people, she thinks we should be more careful about giving young people puberty blockers and cross sex hormones. It's a huge decision for a young person to make! The pro puberty blocker crowd never mentions that those blockers also block the cognitive development that occurs during puberty, which is pretty important in being able to make life changing decisions.  Nearly 100% of kids with dysphoria that go on blockers end up going onto cross sex hormones, about 80% of kids with dysphoria who are not put on blockers desist.

Thanks for the 'splainer. Something I was completely unaware even existed: puberty blockers. What a decidedly dicey scenario, to be faced with some sort of decision to stave off puberty. I can't imagine a kid being in such distress that the option to do so is weighed. That must be horrible. As well as for the parents, all involved.

It's a nightmare scenario for parents.

Suppose you have a child that says, "hey dad I'm transgender.  Let's get started".  The problem is kids are morons and if they get surrounded by people who push this then they'll just start repeating it.  So is this kid really transgender?

Hmm... better ask a doctor.  Except, now become this subject is such a hot button doctors will not give you their honest medical opinion on the subject.  They don't want to be cancelled.

My feelings are that "legitimate", for lack of a better word, trans people exist and should be a protected class much like gay people.  But I also believe that "illegitmate", also for lack of a better word, trans people are out there who are just doing weird shit to get attention or other reasons I can't explain.
There are also parents out there that push trans identities on their children, and sometimes starting at absurdly young ages. To be clear, it's not super common (at least, I've only encountered a couple instances), but it's out there. My wife had a child from one such family in one of her preschool classes.

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #109 on: January 27, 2021, 10:49:11 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • 45077
  • +87/-106
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #110 on: January 27, 2021, 10:51:50 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

No there isn't. If it were a spectrum there would be other types of gametes. Whats on a spectrum are sexual characteristics. Such as height - males are typically taller than females, but there is a spectrum of height and some overlap. Females typically have larger breasts than males, but it is a spectrum and there is some overlap.
Perhaps a visual aid might help:
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #111 on: January 27, 2021, 10:56:00 AM »
Let me know what the infinite types of gametes are! That "visual aid" is hilarious. Also, that is extremely insulting to people with DSDs who have been asking for people to stop using this type of disinformation for years.

Really can't get over how wrong that image is.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

Crouton

  • Flat Earth Inspector General of High Fashion Crimes and Misdemeanors
  • 17037
  • +5/-4
  • He who walks away from Omelas
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #112 on: January 27, 2021, 10:59:25 AM »
Just because there are only two biological sexes doesn't mean that sex is strictly binary.  There is a spectrum between male and female that includes varying degrees of both or neither.

No there isn't. If it were a spectrum there would be other types of gametes. Whats on a spectrum are sexual characteristics. Such as height - males are typically taller than females, but there is a spectrum of height and some overlap. Females typically have larger breasts than males, but it is a spectrum and there is some overlap.
Perhaps a visual aid might help:


I'm not saying this chart is wrong but it is misleading.

Chromosomes for instance, looking at that would have you believe that there's 6 different combinations.  I guess there are.  But only 2 of these combinations appear in 99.9 of the population.

SRY vs no SRY.  This is quite literally binary.  No spectrum to be had there.

Maybe testosterone has a broad spectrum.  Sex organs definitely do not.
Intelligentia et magnanimitas vincvnt violentiam et desperationem.
The truth behind NASA's budget

*

Stash

  • Ethical Stash
  • 13398
  • +2/-2
  • I am car!
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #113 on: January 27, 2021, 11:02:22 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.

Ok, right now I'm going grab some Clorox so I can guzzle a brain eraser elixir. And in case I've got some covid swirling around, kill that as well. I have learned far too much today.

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #114 on: January 27, 2021, 11:11:58 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.

Ok, right now I'm going grab some Clorox so I can guzzle a brain eraser elixir. And in case I've got some covid swirling around, kill that as well. I have learned far too much today.

I'm really really sorry. lol

I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

Wolvaccine

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 25833
  • +3/-2
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #115 on: January 27, 2021, 11:14:29 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.

Ok, right now I'm going grab some Clorox so I can guzzle a brain eraser elixir. And in case I've got some covid swirling around, kill that as well. I have learned far too much today.

I'm really really sorry. lol

I just get a crappy looking football team shirt design? Is that it? Or is Google in Australia protecting my brain...

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place

*

Space Cowgirl

  • MOM
  • Planar Moderator
  • 52321
  • +97/-70
  • Official FE Recruiter
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #116 on: January 27, 2021, 11:20:17 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.

Ok, right now I'm going grab some Clorox so I can guzzle a brain eraser elixir. And in case I've got some covid swirling around, kill that as well. I have learned far too much today.

I'm really really sorry. lol

I just get a crappy looking football team shirt design? Is that it? Or is Google in Australia protecting my brain...

OMG, I don't know! Try "packers for trans toddlers". I could link to them but idk if I should. lol
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

*

markjo

  • Content Nazi
  • 45077
  • +87/-106
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #117 on: January 27, 2021, 11:22:26 AM »
SRY vs no SRY.  This is quite literally binary.  No spectrum to be had there.

Assuming that SRY has not mutated, of course.
Confirmation of the Sry gene encoding the TDF came from several experiments that focused on mutations in the SRY gene. Early evidence came from research conducted by Peter Goodfellow and his teams at both the Cancer Research UK London Research Institute and the National Institute for Medical Research in the late 1980s and early 1990s. That research showed that mutations in the Sry gene halted the embryonic development of testes, resulting in organisms that possessed a Y chromosome but expressed female phenotypic characteristics. Robin Lovell-Badge and her team at the National Institute for Medical Research later confirmed Sry gene's role in sex determination in an experiment where researchers injected Sry gene sequences into chromosomally female (XX) mice embryos during early embryonic development, and the embryos developed into males.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
Quote from: Robosteve
Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
Quote from: bullhorn
It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

*

Stash

  • Ethical Stash
  • 13398
  • +2/-2
  • I am car!
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #118 on: January 27, 2021, 11:33:11 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.

Ok, right now I'm going grab some Clorox so I can guzzle a brain eraser elixir. And in case I've got some covid swirling around, kill that as well. I have learned far too much today.

I'm really really sorry. lol

I just get a crappy looking football team shirt design? Is that it? Or is Google in Australia protecting my brain...

Stick with your Green Bay Packers garb for toddlers search results. You don't want to go further...

*

Wolvaccine

  • EXTRA SPICY MODE
  • 25833
  • +3/-2
Re: The Great Gender Bender Debate
« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2021, 11:34:13 AM »
I don't want to cause you all to need brain bleach, but look up packers for toddlers. lol

Also, I think Jazz's mom (from I am Jazz) qualifies as one of those moms.

Ok, right now I'm going grab some Clorox so I can guzzle a brain eraser elixir. And in case I've got some covid swirling around, kill that as well. I have learned far too much today.

I'm really really sorry. lol

I just get a crappy looking football team shirt design? Is that it? Or is Google in Australia protecting my brain...

OMG, I don't know! Try "packers for trans toddlers". I could link to them but idk if I should. lol

That did it. Went to some kind of article but after I saw 'latex kiddie phallusus' I stopped right there

My eye sight is too precious to have to splash bleach in them in a vain attempt to unsee whatever the hell was coming!

Quote from: sokarul
what website did you use to buy your wife? Did you choose Chinese over Russian because she can't open her eyes to see you?

What animal relates to your wife?

Know your place