NASA EPIC LIES

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cikljamas

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #630 on: June 26, 2020, 04:02:25 AM »
Again: what does that have to do with NASA?

NASA = TO BE DECEIVED - TO DECEIVE :


NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary. Now, let's suppose that this is the truth (it is the truth, but since you still believe in HC theory you have to suppose that it is the truth), would it be possible to land on the moon which orbits the earth at about 100 000 km/h???

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #631 on: June 26, 2020, 04:24:14 AM »
You really will believe any old crap, won't you?  Well, any that fit your narrative.  Why post some photo, when you can link to an actual online dictionary:

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/hebrew/kjv/nasa.html

"to lift, bear up, carry, take
(Qal)

to lift, lift up
to bear, carry, support, sustain, endure
to take, take away, carry off, forgive

(Niphal)
to be lifted up, be exalted
to lift oneself up, rise up
to be borne, be carried
to be taken away, be carried off, be swept away

(Piel)
to lift up, exalt, support, aid, assist
to desire, long (fig.)
to carry, bear continuously
to take, take away

(Hithpael) to lift oneself up, exalt oneself

(Hiphil)
to cause one to bear (iniquity)
to cause to bring, have brought"

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #632 on: June 26, 2020, 04:57:18 AM »
Nasa in Basque = dock
Nasa in Galician = pot; fish trap
Nasa in Old High German = nose
Nasa in Swahili = to trap or capture; to be confined or trapped; to hit (to strike)

And so on. (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nasa)

Very helpful, and definite proof of NASA being a fraud.
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #633 on: June 26, 2020, 05:04:18 AM »
NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary.
Yeah, rrright.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #634 on: June 26, 2020, 05:14:47 AM »
NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary.

Don't be ridiculous! Why would you claim that "NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary"?

Of course, NASA knows that the Earth rotates and orbits the Sun otherwise they would never be able to connectly than space missions.
And, as far as I know, all astronomers since the time of Newton believes that the  Earth rotates and orbits the Sun.

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Now, let's suppose that this is the truth (it is the truth, but since you still believe in HC theory you have to suppose that it is the truth), would it be possible to land on the moon which orbits the earth at about 100 000 km/h???
  • The moon does not orbit the earth at about 100,000 km/h but only at about 1.022 km/s or 3,679 km/hr.

  • But making a soft landing on the moon or another planet is usually done by first going into orbit around the moon or planet then landing from there. So the velocity of the moon which orbiting the earth has little to do with it.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #635 on: June 26, 2020, 05:31:17 AM »
NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary. Now, let's suppose that this is the truth (it is the truth, but since you still believe in HC theory you have to suppose that it is the truth), would it be possible to land on the moon which orbits the earth at about 100 000 km/h???

Well yes it's possible if we correct your mistakes, and lies.  But lying is fun so let me fix your error and replace your lies with mine.

cikljamas knows very well the moon is made of cheese. Now, let's suppose that this is the truth (it is the truth, but since you still believe in non-cheese theory you have to suppose that it is the truth), would it be possible to land on the moon which orbits the earth at about 3,683 km/h???

The answer is still yes.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #636 on: June 26, 2020, 08:40:13 AM »
NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary.

Don't be ridiculous! Why would you claim that "NASA knows very well that the earth is stationary"?

Maybe because of this :
Aether field is there - says NASA :
130 years have gone by since Michelson Morley experiment :


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Now, let's suppose that this is the truth (it is the truth, but since you still believe in HC theory you have to suppose that it is the truth), would it be possible to land on the moon which orbits the earth at about 100 000 km/h???
  • The moon does not orbit the earth at about 100,000 km/h but only at about 1.022 km/s or 3,679 km/hr.

  • But making a soft landing on the moon or another planet is usually done by first going into orbit around the moon or planet then landing from there. So the velocity of the moon which orbiting the earth has little to do with it.



ON TOP OF THAT :

What is the average orbital speed of Mars around the earth?

60 000 000 km/h

How do you enter orbit of such ludicrously fast object???


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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #637 on: June 26, 2020, 12:49:11 PM »



ON TOP OF THAT :

What is the average orbital speed of Mars around the earth?

60 000 000 km/h

How do you enter orbit of such ludicrously fast object???




My favorite part:

“Realistically that force would rip apart the Shuttle. Or at least brake the windows in the cockpit.”

- For one, it’s ‘break’, not ‘brake’
- For two, that’s quite a wide gap between ripping apart the shuttle to just breaking the windows - Seems like the author has no idea what the force would do. He probably should have said, "Realistically that force would rip apart the Shuttle. Or at least put a dent in its fender.” Just to cover himself better.

Yet another lame meme that means nothing. These are just getting more and more pathetic as we go along. I thought the lemming on Mars was the apex of inanity. I was wrong.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #638 on: June 26, 2020, 01:07:12 PM »
Pathetic, cikljamas. Just pathetic.

You fucking lost this fight. Own up.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #639 on: June 26, 2020, 02:49:27 PM »
I don't have to fight about anything.
These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
The main goal in all that is simplicity.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #640 on: June 26, 2020, 04:21:25 PM »
God - Cikljamas, the point is you are a fundamental Christian who buys that a God is clever enough to create the Earth and everything on it, but in your mind, not clever enough to create the entire universe. It's been said, the force in charge of this planet is so acutely aware of everything that happens here, that not even a single blade of grass moving in the breeze goes unnoticed.

Without evil - there can be no good. Without shadow there can be no light. Just like the yin and yang symbol. All evil is subjective, just like all good us subjective. One man's good can be another man's evil. Everything on this planet is subject to this duality and nobody and nothing on this planet can escape it. Life is about an interplay of forces and learning. Enjoy your time here and embrace it.

Geocentrism : Like your video says, science was forced to discard the aether or admit the earth does not rotate around the sun, as experiments failed to detect an aether drag using light. Naturally, science discarded the aether, but you are saying that was wrong, and science should have discarded the heliocentric model?

The mistake you have made is assuming the aether is a physical medium. If it was a physical medium, light would prove an aether drag. Aether or space is an absence of physical matter. You missed that. In alchemical terminology it is referred to as First Matter or Prima Materia or primal matter, from which all secondary or gross matter is derived.

So, cikljamas, you believe that if the earth is not the centre of everything, there is no point to life. But in a universe which is incomprehensibly large, could the centre of the universe not be anywhere you choose it to be?

Here's some questions you may not have asked yourself:

1. Are you not physically at the centre of your own physical universe at all times?

2. Is your consciousness not at the centre of your own universe at all times?

3. Can you not move your consciousness outside of your physical body to wherever you choose? 
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For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #641 on: June 26, 2020, 05:19:50 PM »
You missed the point, again!
No, that still seems to be you.
Remember, this thread was meant to be about you showing how the crew of Challenger are all alive and well.
But you have repeatedly failed to do that and are now just deflecting any way you can.

Maybe because of this :
You mean all the well document missions that work because Earth orbits the sun?

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #642 on: June 27, 2020, 03:48:32 AM »
The truth about FES :
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Re: More author=cikljamas's EPIC LIES
« Reply #643 on: June 27, 2020, 04:15:15 AM »
The truth about FES :
And what has that to with The Flat Earth Society?

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Re: More author=cikljamas's EPIC LIES
« Reply #644 on: June 27, 2020, 04:46:11 AM »
The truth about FES :
And what has that to with The Flat Earth Society?

It's like trying to have a conversation with the Google search engine.  You say stuff and some vaguely, maybe keyword related YouTube video pops up.  :)

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Re: More author=cikljamas's EPIC LIES
« Reply #645 on: June 27, 2020, 06:18:48 AM »
It's like trying to have a conversation with the Google search engine.  You say stuff and some vaguely, maybe keyword related YouTube video pops up.  :)

Yeah, for example, you say "croatian Susan Boyle" and this video pops up :
Nina Kraljić " I dreamed a dream" Supertalent Croatia 23.10.2009 :


Then you say "pure romance" and this video pops up :
Famous Dalmatian chanson sang by Nina and Croatian Radiotelevision Tamburitza Orchestra :
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #646 on: June 27, 2020, 08:36:47 AM »
The truth about FES :

Actually, this is in reference to Sinclair Media. Over the years, they have been buying up a lot of local television stations:

Sinclair, the pro-Trump, conservative company taking over local news, explained
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/3/17180020/sinclair-broadcast-group-conservative-trump-david-smith-local-news-tv-affiliate

What's hilariously ironic is that they coordinate their messaging regarding "Controlled Media" & "Fake News" through their own use of "Controlled Media" & "Fake News".

So what does this have to do with "NASA EPIC LIES"? Nothing, as usual.

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cikljamas

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #647 on: June 27, 2020, 02:15:31 PM »
So what does this have to do with "NASA EPIC LIES"?

The dawn of Copernicanism faced mankind with a revolution in human thinking unsurpassed by any single event, save Noah’s flood and the advent of Jesus Christ. As Alexander Koyré understood it:

The dissolution of the Cosmos…this seems to me to be the most profound revolution achieved or suffered by the human mind since the invention of the Cosmos by the Greeks. It is a revolution so profound and so far-reaching that mankind – with very few exceptions, of whom Pascal was one – for centuries did not grasp its bearing and its meaning; which, even now, is often misvalued and misunderstood. Therefore what the founders of modern science, among them Galileo ,had to do, was not to criticize and to combat certain faulty theories, and to correct or to replace them by better ones. They had to do something quite different. They had to destroy one world and to replace it by another. They had to reshape the framework of our intellect itself, to restate and reform its concepts, to evolve a new approach to Being, anew concept of knowledge, a new concept of science – and even to replace a pretty natural approach, that of common sense, by another which is not natural at all.

Arthur Koestler says it this way:

The new philosophy destroyed the mediaeval vision of an immutable social order in a walled-in universe together with its fixed hierarchy of moral values, and transformed the European landscape, society, culture,habits and general outlook as thoroughly as if a new species had arisen on this planet.

Owen Barfield, in his penetrating book on human thought, suggests that the Copernican revolution dwarfs any other:

The real turning-point in the history of astronomy and of science in general was… when Copernicus…began to think, and others, like Kepler and Galileo, began to affirm that the heliocentric hypothesis not only saved the appearances, but was physically true. It was this, this novel idea that the Copernican (and therefore any other) hypothesis might not be a hypothesis at all but the ultimate truth, that was almost enough in itself to constitute the “scientific revolution,” of which Professor Butterfield has written: “it outshines everything since the rise of Christianity and reduces the Renaissance and Reformation to the rank of mere episodes, mere internal displacements, within the system of medieval Christendom”….It was not simply a new theory of the nature of the celestial movements that was feared, but a new theory of the nature of theory; namely, that, if a hypothesis saves all the appearances, it is identical with truth.

Although Barfield does not give the citation, he is referring to the quote in Herbert Butterfield’s book The Origins of Modern Science: 1300-1800.

 Yet he left out the more significant of Butterfield’s words:Since it [the Copernican Revolution] changed the character of men’s habitual mental operations even in the conduct of the non-material sciences, while transforming the whole diagram of the physical universe and the very texture of human life itself, it looms so large as the real origin both of the modern world and of the modern mentality, that our customary periodisation of European history has become ananachronism and an encumbrance.

IN ADDITION :

Dr Neil deGrass Tyson admits :
Evolushan is a bulsit thioris :
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #648 on: June 27, 2020, 02:31:35 PM »
So what does this have to do with "NASA EPIC LIES"?

[Removed - Bunch of boring irrelevant copy/paste]

IN ADDITION :

Dr Neil deGrass Tyson admits :
Evolushan is a bulsit thioris :

Now this guy is interesting. He's been touted by you as explaining things perfectly. You do realize that he's doing a comedy schtick, right?

See the crazy title he gave this video. Just as nutty as the other one you posted. His latest video comes with this as the description:

"This is NOT a regular GIJoeShow video. This is a serious video about a shameful nation and a cowardly army that has gifted its land to the enemy without even a fight!!!
Most of the video is in the Hindustani language as it is aimed at the people of the Subcontinent.
I am trying to add English subtitles."

Get it? Your best, brightest, perfect speaker on your world view is doing some solid satire, directed at the likes of you. Why do you think there was that woman laughing hysterically in the background throughout the 'gravity' video? Makes sense that you would latch on to this as truth. My goodness, you are a piece of work that will fall for anything.

Now, do you have anything relevant to the Challenger tragedy. Like evidence?

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #649 on: June 27, 2020, 03:30:29 PM »
Will a moon landing conspiracy true :
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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #650 on: June 27, 2020, 03:37:03 PM »
Will a moon landing conspiracy true :

Another quality post that means nothing. Well done.

Just pretty much shows you continue to lose over and over again.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #651 on: June 27, 2020, 03:51:18 PM »
So what does this have to do with "NASA EPIC LIES"?

The dawn of Copernicanism faced mankind with a revolution in human thinking unsurpassed by any single event, save Noah’s flood and the advent of Jesus Christ. As Alexander Koyré understood it:

The dissolution of the Cosmos…this seems to me to be the most profound revolution achieved or suffered by the human mind since the invention of the Cosmos by the Greeks. It is a revolution so profound and so far-reaching that mankind – with very few exceptions, of whom Pascal was one – for centuries did not grasp its bearing and its meaning; which, even now, is often misvalued and misunderstood. Therefore what the founders of modern science, among them Galileo ,had to do, was not to criticize and to combat certain faulty theories, and to correct or to replace them by better ones. They had to do something quite different. They had to destroy one world and to replace it by another. They had to reshape the framework of our intellect itself, to restate and reform its concepts, to evolve a new approach to Being, anew concept of knowledge, a new concept of science – and even to replace a pretty natural approach, that of common sense, by another which is not natural at all.
That is a total exaggeration!
The heliocentric solar system was introduced simply because the old Ptolemaic universe was finally seen to have been completely impossible.
But the Ptolemaic universe was not immediately discarded and the Copernican one introduced. In fact as far as the accuracy of the motion of the planets was concerned the Copernican one was no better that the old Ptolemaic universe.

Many, including Tycho Brahe, could not accept the Heliocentric system because they quite reasonably claimed that stellar parallax show be observed.
But astronomers found that even the largest parallax

It wasn't until Kepler and Newton's time that the Heliocentric Solar System was firmly entrenched.

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Arthur Koestler says it this way:

The new philosophy destroyed the mediaeval vision of an immutable social order in a walled-in universe together with its fixed hierarchy of moral values, and transformed the European landscape, society, culture,habits and general outlook as thoroughly as if a new species had arisen on this planet.

What total rubbish!
It wasn't simply due to the acceptance of the Heliocentric Solar System but the time from Galileo to Newton brought in what we might call the scientific revolution - you might call it the age of reason.

At last, the way that "nature worked" gradually unfolded and if people like you cannot accept that it's your loss.

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Owen Barfield, in his penetrating book on human thought, suggests that the Copernican revolution dwarfs any other:

The real turning-point in the history of astronomy and of science in general was… when Copernicus…began to think, and others, like Kepler and Galileo, began to affirm that the heliocentric hypothesis not only saved the appearances, but was physically true. It was this, this novel idea that the Copernican (and therefore any other) hypothesis might not be a hypothesis at all but the ultimate truth, that was almost enough in itself to constitute the “scientific revolution,” of which Professor Butterfield has written: “it outshines everything since the rise of Christianity and reduces the Renaissance and Reformation to the rank of mere episodes, mere internal displacements, within the system of medieval Christendom”….It was not simply a new theory of the nature of the celestial movements that was feared, but a new theory of the nature of theory; namely, that, if a hypothesis saves all the appearances, it is identical with truth.

Although Barfield does not give the citation, he is referring to the quote in Herbert Butterfield’s book The Origins of Modern Science: 1300-1800.

 Yet he left out the more significant of Butterfield’s words:Since it [the Copernican Revolution] changed the character of men’s habitual mental operations even in the conduct of the non-material sciences, while transforming the whole diagram of the physical universe and the very texture of human life itself, it looms so large as the real origin both of the modern world and of the modern mentality, that our customary periodisation of European history has become ananachronism and an encumbrance.
The main change was from the belief, even in Newton's day, that unexplainable things were attributed essentially to magic, the occult.
The change to the Heliocentric Solar System was only a part of this paradigm change.

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IN ADDITION :
(cikljamas's fake) Dr Neil deGrass Tyson admits :
Evolushan is a bulsit thioris :

More of cikljamas's deception!

What about a little honestly, Mr cikljamas? You know very well that is not the "real" Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Is there no end to your attempted deception? What with using fake photos in you anti-Nasa rants etc and now these fake videos.

You really have lost any trace of credibility around here.

By the way, NASA does not lie and the message that they present is completely consistent with all astronomers and all other space agencies!
Why do you attack NASA and not the USSR? They were the first in space and the first to put a person into orbit.
"Earth rising" photo taken, not from Apollo 8 but taken by a Russian spacecraft:[/size]

Russian Zond 7 "Earth Rising"

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #652 on: June 27, 2020, 06:27:32 PM »
So, Cikljamas, you've embraced all these conspiracy theories against NASA and science, because of fear. Fear that if your God created the entire universe, you are no more special than a speck of dust, and your life is pointless.

Got it.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #653 on: June 27, 2020, 07:33:31 PM »
So, Cikljamas, you've embraced all these conspiracy theories against NASA and science, because of fear. Fear that if your God created the entire universe, you are no more special than a speck of dust, and your life is pointless.

Got it.
Cikljamas doesn't believe that his God could create such a massive beautiful Universe.
Neither Neil Armstrong nor Buzz Aldrin nor even Wernher von Braun in the end had any such fears:
Is the Founder of Modern Rocket Science trying to tell us something?

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The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
                                                                                                                 Psalm 19:1
FLAT EARTH - PSALM 19,1 by odiupicku
Sure, you might read:
       God Touches the Heart of a Scientist through Gideons’ Bible Ministry by Eunice K. Y. Or
       Nazi Rocket Scientist Wernher von Braun Converted to Christ, Interviewed by C. M. Ward
       NASA scientist comes face to face with Creation though this mentions Wernher Von Braun only peripherally.
Why would a heliocentric solar system "declare the glory of God; and the firmament shew his handywork" any less than a geocentric one?

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #654 on: June 27, 2020, 07:53:13 PM »

. . . use the key ">" for frame by frame forward and "<" for frame by frame backward.

 ???  tell me everyone else already knew that. 

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #655 on: June 27, 2020, 09:26:48 PM »

. . . use the key ">" for frame by frame forward and "<" for frame by frame backward.

 ???  tell me everyone else already knew that.

He probably uses a Mac.  My computer don't do that with youtube videos.
If "deserving" time was a factor for responding on these forums, then no one would be here posting.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #656 on: June 27, 2020, 11:03:10 PM »
So, Cikljamas, you've embraced all these conspiracy theories against NASA and science, because of fear. Fear that if your God created the entire universe, you are no more special than a speck of dust, and your life is pointless.

Got it.

Alternatively:


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« Reply #657 on: June 27, 2020, 11:40:27 PM »

. . . use the key ">" for frame by frame forward and "<" for frame by frame backward.

 ???  tell me everyone else already knew that.

He probably uses a Mac.  My computer don't do that with youtube videos.

Don't push <shift>


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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #658 on: June 28, 2020, 12:17:21 AM »

. . . use the key ">" for frame by frame forward and "<" for frame by frame backward.

 ???  tell me everyone else already knew that.

He probably uses a Mac.  My computer don't do that with youtube videos.
l use a PC with a pretty standard Logitech keyboard and from paused
    the arrow keys, ⬅️ and ➡️, step backward and forward 5 seconds and
    the angle bracket keys, "<" and ">", step backward and forward one frame.

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Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« Reply #659 on: June 28, 2020, 04:36:20 AM »
So what does this have to do with "NASA EPIC LIES"?

The dawn of Copernicanism faced mankind with a revolution in human thinking unsurpassed by any single event, save Noah’s flood and the advent of Jesus Christ. As Alexander Koyré understood it:

The dissolution of the Cosmos…this seems to me to be the most profound revolution achieved or suffered by the human mind since the invention of the Cosmos by the Greeks. It is a revolution so profound and so far-reaching that mankind – with very few exceptions, of whom Pascal was one – for centuries did not grasp its bearing and its meaning; which, even now, is often misvalued and misunderstood. Therefore what the founders of modern science, among them Galileo ,had to do, was not to criticize and to combat certain faulty theories, and to correct or to replace them by better ones. They had to do something quite different. They had to destroy one world and to replace it by another. They had to reshape the framework of our intellect itself, to restate and reform its concepts, to evolve a new approach to Being, anew concept of knowledge, a new concept of science – and even to replace a pretty natural approach, that of common sense, by another which is not natural at all.
That is a total exaggeration!
The heliocentric solar system was introduced simply because the old Ptolemaic universe was finally seen to have been completely impossible.
But the Ptolemaic universe was not immediately discarded and the Copernican one introduced. In fact as far as the accuracy of the motion of the planets was concerned the Copernican one was no better that the old Ptolemaic universe.

Correct.

The De revolutionibus itself is not consistent with the single surviving early version of the system, described by Copernicus in the early manuscript Commentariolus. Even Copernicus could not derive from his hypothesis a single and unique combination of interlocking circles, and his successors did not do so….Judged on purely practical grounds, Copernicus’ new planetary system was a failure; it was neither more accurate nor significantly simpler than its Ptolemaic predecessors.

In regard to his heliocentric theory, Copernicus consistently appealed to the “harmony” of his system, but it was a harmony ennobled by a sun that he personified, and, some say, deified. Copernicus writes:

In the middle of all sits Sun enthroned. In this most beautiful temple could we place this luminary in any better position from which he can illuminate the whole at once? He is rightly called the Lamp, the Mind,the Ruler of the Universe: Hermes Trismegistus names him the Visible God, Sophocles’ Electra calls him the All-seeing. So the Sun sits as upon a royal throne ruling his children the planets which circle round him. The Earth has the Moon at her service. As Aristotle says, in his On Animals, the Moon has the closest relationship with the Earth.Meanwhile the Earth conceives by the Sun, and becomes pregnant with an annual rebirth.

Popper, being a supporter of the heliocentric revolution, couches his critique of Copernicus in rather polite terms, but essentially he is saying that Copernicus’ brainchild had all the earmarks of originating from pagan sun-worship. As Wolfgang Smith notes:

…in the Renaissance movement championed by Marsiglio Ficino, the doctrine came alive again, but in a somewhat altered form; one might say that what Ficino instituted was indeed a religion, a kind of neo-paganism. Copernicus himself was profoundly influenced by this movement, as can be clearly seen from numerous passages in the De revolutionibus.

The complexity of Copernicus’ heliocentric system stems in part from the fact that most of the charts and figures in De revolutionibus were not original. Copernicus merely borrowed them from the Greeks and then reworked the figures to fit his heliocentric model: Canon Koppernigk was not particularly fond of star-gazing. He preferred to rely on the observations of Chaldeans, Greeks, and Arabs – a preference that led to some embarrassing results. The Book of the Revolutions contains, altogether, only twenty-seven observations made by the Canon himself; and these were spread over thirty-two years!…Even in the position he assumed for his basic star, the Spica, which he used as a landmark, was erroneous by about forty minutes’ arc, more than the width of the moon.

The great scholar on early astronomy, Otto Neugebauer, writes:

The popular belief that Copernicus’ heliocentric system constitutes a significant simplification of the Ptolemaic system is obviously wrong. The choice of the reference system has no effect on the structure of the model, and the Copernican models themselves require about twice as many circles as the Ptolemaic models and are far less elegant and adaptable.

Modern historians, making ample use of the advantage of hindsight, stress the revolutionary significance of the heliocentric system and the simplification it had introduced. In fact, the actual computation of planetary positions follows exactly the ancient patterns and the results are the same. The Copernican solar theory is definitely a step in the wrong direction for the actual computation as well as for the underlying kinematic concepts.


Koestler adds:

Alexandrian astronomers can hardly be accused of ignorance. They had more precise instruments for observing the universe than Copernicus had; Copernicus himself hardly bothered with star-gazing; he relied on the observations of Hipparchus and Ptolemy. He knew no more about the actual motions of the stars than they did. Hipparchus’ Catalogue of the fixed stars and Ptolemy’s Tables for calculating planetary motions were so reliable and precise that they served, with insignificant corrections, as navigational aids to Columbus and Vasco da Gama.Eratosthenes, another Alexandrian, computed the diameter of the Earth as 7,850 miles with an error of only ½ per cent. Hipparchus calculated the distance of the moon as 30¼ Earth diameters – with an error of only 0.3 per cent. Thus, insofar as factual knowledge is concerned, Copernicus was no better off, and in some respects worse off, than the Greek astronomers of Alexandria who lived at the time of Jesus Christ.

Koestler adds:

The Copernican system is not a discovery…but a last attempt to patch up an out-dated machinery by reversing the arrangement of its wheels. As a modern historian put it, the fact that the Earth moves is “almost an incidental matter in the system of Copernicus which, viewed geometrically, is just the old Ptolemaic pattern of the skies, with one or two wheels interchanged and one or two of them taken out.”

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