Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #300 on: April 27, 2020, 03:03:32 AM »
There are plenty of world renowned scientists who are saying that HIV is a passenger virus.

A short list.

Henry Bauer, professor emeritus, Virginia Tech
Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD
Rebecca Culshaw, professor at University of Texas-Tyler
Kary Mullis, Nobel prize winner

And of course Dr. Peter Duesberg.

Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. is a professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley.

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University of Basel
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Max-Planck Institute for Virus Research, Tübingen, Germany Postdoctoral Fellow 1963
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University of California at Berkeley Postdoctoral Fellow and Assistant Research Virologist 1964
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Since 1989: Dept. of Molecular & Cell Biology     Professor    1973 to present

1969, Merck Award
1971, California Scientist of the Year Award
1981, First Annual American Medical Center Oncology Award
1986, Outstanding Investigator Award, National Institutes of Health
1986, elected to National Academy of Sciences
1986-87, Fogarty Scholar-in-Residence at the National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD
1988, Wissenschaftspreis, Hannover, Germany
1988, Lichtfield Lecturer, Oxford, England
1990, C. J. Watson Lecturer, Abbott Northwestern Hospital, Minneapolis, MN
1992, Fisher Distinguished Professor, University of North Texas, Denton, TX
1992, Shaffer Alumni Lecturer, Tulane University, New Orleans, LA
1992, Constance Ledward Rollins Lecture, University of New Hampshire,
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1996, Distinguished Speaker, Department of Biology, Univ. Louisville, KY,
  Oct. 17, "AIDS: virus- or drug induced?"; Oct. 18, "The role of aneuploidy in cancer".
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2000, May 6-7 (Pretoria) and July 3-4 (Johannesburg): Member of the International Panel of   Scientists invited by President Thabo Mbeki and the South African Government to discuss the   AIDS crisis.
2000, July-December: Guest professor of the University of Heidelberg at the Medical School in
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http://www.duesberg.com/about/pdbio.html

The best retrovirologist in the world.


https://www.duesberg.com/papers/ch2.html

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is not the cause of AIDS because it fails to meet the postulates of Koch and Henle, as well as six cardinal rules of virology.

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« Reply #301 on: April 27, 2020, 03:21:04 AM »
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VIDEO: COVID-19 and Koch’s Postulates
Evidence that Viruses Cause Disease, or The Rooster in the River of Rats


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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #302 on: April 27, 2020, 03:33:15 AM »
https://truthcomestolight.com/2020/04/10/dr-andrew-kaufman-unmasking-lies-revealing-truths-about-the-pandemic/

What is Cononavirus, Pandemic Paranoia Facts, Fictions and Fears Interview
By Jason Liosatos
April 10, 2020



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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #303 on: April 27, 2020, 03:37:17 AM »
You do realize that some of best retrovirologists and microbiologists in the world use Koch's postulates on HIV?
When you say the best, you actually mean only the ones you agree with Right?
But some don't agree with sandokhan's claim:
HIV Causes AIDS: Proof Derived from Koch's Postulates by Tim Teeter of San Francisco AIDS Foundation

AIDSinfo: The Evidence That HIV Causes AIDS

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #304 on: April 27, 2020, 03:49:38 AM »
There are plenty of world renowned scientists who are saying that HIV is a passenger virus.

A short list.

Henry Bauer, professor emeritus, Virginia Tech
Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD
Rebecca Culshaw, professor at University of Texas-Tyler
Kary Mullis, Nobel prize winner

And of course Dr. Peter Duesberg.

Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. is a professor of Molecular and Cell Biology at the University of California, Berkeley.
Half of these the Dip-shit pieces of crap that helped advice our President then (Thabo Mbeki) that HIV was a passenger virus and was caused by recreational drug use. The results where up to 300 000 deaths per year. Rebecca Culshaw even says that HIV is a social construct, and the idea that it is passed through sexual conduct is laughable. How the fuck do 300 000 people die a year by a social construct? And how do condoms and sexual education stop people from dying, from a Fucking social construct!

Sandy, your influences are all old disillusion cranks.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #305 on: April 27, 2020, 04:14:28 AM »
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #306 on: April 27, 2020, 04:17:37 AM »
You are throwing around temper tantrums.

HIV is a passenger virus. But the hidden/main pathogenic agent remained untouched, since your government refused to carry out the mycobacterium tests which were needed to find out what was going on.

The same thing is occurring today.

Dr. Peter Duesberg has already outlined the proofs that HIV is a passenger virus.

https://www.duesberg.com/papers/ch2.html

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is not the cause of AIDS because it fails to meet the postulates of Koch and Henle, as well as six cardinal rules of virology.

Did your government carry out the requested mycobacterium tests? No.

The same thing is going on today: each and every government in the world is refusing to administer the mycobacterium tests, even though the PCR test is at best inconclusive, as evidenced by FDA/CDC:

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.

Positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.



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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #307 on: April 27, 2020, 04:32:58 AM »
Certainly the viral like CWD mycobacterium have to obey Koch's postulates. They also pass through microfilters.

The new science of virology had to do away with the postulates in order to infiltrate itself in the field of medicine.

But, some of the best scientists in the world, Dr. Peter Duesberg, Dr. Kary Mullis, and others, believe that the removal of the postulates was a huge error.
And some say that, for very good reason, that Koch's original four postulates cannot be applied to many viral diseases but that a modified set of postulates can apply as in:
Amending Koch's postulates for viral disease: When “growth in pure culture” leads to a loss of virulence by Joseph Prescott, Heinz Feldmann and David Safronetz

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There are two main camps at the present moment. And certainly HIV is a passenger virus.
And where have you posted evidence for that claim?

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Yes, Sandokhan. And despite previous objections by our Australian friend earlier that HIV does not belong on a COVID thread, similarities between the HIV and the COVID cold virus speak to the contrary:

Recently, Luc Montagnier, one of the world’s leading virologists and Nobel Prize Winner (in 2008) for the co-discovery of HIV, the AIDS virus, carefully analyzed the description of the genome of Covid-19 and claimed there were indeed insertions of HIV into its genome.


Exactly.
There is no "description of the genome of Covid-19" because Covid-19 is a disease and NOT a virus! The virus that cause COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2!

Do you mean this Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier? The one whose claim was proven meaningless.
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[RETRACTED] Doctor Who Discovered HIV Confident COVID-19 Was Created in a Lab
RETRACTION, Apr. 24, 2020: The Western Journal has retracted this commentary after a fact check by Health Feedback determined that the claims by Nobel laureate Luc Montagnier were inaccurate. “Genomic analyses indicate that the virus has a natural origin, and was not engineered. The so-called ‘unique’ protein sequence insertions found in the 2019 novel coronavirus can be found in many other organisms, not just HIV,” according to the fact check.
In addition, while the commentary as published did point out that “the overwhelming scientific consensus points to COVID-19 being natural in origin instead of man-made,” the headline did not allude to this fact, potentially leading some readers to believe the opposite, which was not our intention.
Professor Luc Montagnier, a central member of the team that identified HIV during the early days of the AIDS epidemic, is now bucking the media consensus on the novel coronavirus by claiming the pathogen was at least partially edited in a laboratory.
Montagnier revealed his reasoning on a French medical podcast Thursday, according to the French newspaper Le Parisien.

Yes, "The so-called ‘unique’ protein sequence insertions found in the 2019 novel coronavirus can be found in many other organisms, not just HIV! Big deal!



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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #310 on: April 27, 2020, 04:56:10 AM »

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And some say that, for very good reason, that Koch's original four postulates cannot be applied to many viral diseases but that a modified set of postulates can apply as in:
Amending Koch's postulates for viral disease: When “growth in pure culture” leads to a loss of virulence by Joseph Prescott, Heinz Feldmann and David Safronetz
Obviously, you are not aware that the entire basic leading up to the "discovery" of COVID-19 followed not only not one of Koch's Postulates but those of the virologist Rivers. In fact, one of them, the Kim study, which first claimed causation for COVID with the present pandemic was a total fraud  [See: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

 
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The virus that cause COVID-19 is SARS-CoV-2!
Based upon what? Fraudulent studies using Vero cells that are so muddled up you cannot tell a virus particle from an exosome? Get a life.

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Yes, "The so-called ‘unique’ protein sequence insertions found in the 2019 novel coronavirus can be found in many other organisms, not just HIV! Big deal!

To you the only "Big deal" is spinning and altering the facts to suit the propagation of misinformation about your cold virus.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #311 on: April 27, 2020, 05:01:01 AM »
Another sandokhan failure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism

Says who?

sokarul, obviously  ::)

Oh do you mean sokarul, who fancies himself the ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER?.....that dipwad.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #312 on: April 27, 2020, 05:10:20 AM »

 
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Rebecca Culshaw even says that HIV is a social construct, and the idea that it is passed through sexual conduct is laughable. How the fuck do 300 000 people die a year by a social construct? And how do condoms and sexual education stop people from dying, from a Fucking social construct!

No need to use profanity my friend.
Let me get this straight. Are you sitting there with your bare face hanging out and telling us that AIDS cannot be transmitted sexually?




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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #314 on: April 27, 2020, 05:37:16 AM »
Rebecca Culshaw even says that HIV is a social construct, and the idea that it is passed through sexual conduct is laughable. How the fuck do 300 000 people die a year by a social construct? And how do condoms and sexual education stop people from dying, from a Fucking social construct!

No need to use profanity my friend.
Let me get this straight. Are you sitting there with your bare face hanging out and telling us that AIDS cannot be transmitted sexually?
You will notice that the profanity was not directed at anyone here. Its directed at her absolute idiotic idea that HIV is a social construct.
The same Dr. Peter Duesberg Sandy seems to worship believes that HIV is caused by the use of drugs and homosexuality.

HIV is indeed transmitted through sexual conduct (blood to blood), Sandy's hero seems to disagree.

This leaves you Mr JackA; the official cheerleader of Sandy, in a difficult position. Do you accept Dr P Duesbergs findings that AIDS is created by using drugs, or do you think than it may be a sexually transmitted disease?
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #315 on: April 27, 2020, 05:50:55 AM »
<< Screwed up quotes ignored >>
If you expect any answers the learn how to use "quotes" in a way that makes your posts understandable!

But in the meantime:

About the original SARS virus:
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The aetiology of SARS: Koch’s postulates fulfilled by A. D. M. E. Osterhaus, R. A. M. Fouchier and T. Kuiken
Institute of Virology, Erasmus University Rotterdam, Dr Molewaterplein 50, 3015 GE Rotterdam, The Netherland

Proof that a newly identified coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) is the primary cause of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) came from a series of studies on experimentally infected cynomolgus macaques (Macaca fascicularis). SARS-CoV-infected macaques developed a disease comparable to SARS in humans; the virus was re-isolated from these animals and they developedSARS-CoV-specific antibodies. This completed the fulfilment of Koch’s postulates, as modified by Rivers for viral diseases, for SARS-CoV as the aetiological agent of SARS. Besides the macaque model, a ferret and a cat model for SARS-CoV were also developed. These animal models allow comparative pathogenesis studies for SARS-CoV infections and testing of different intervention strategies. The first of these studies has shown that pegylated interferon-α, a drug approved for human use, limits SARS-CoV replication and lung damage in experimentally infected macaques. Finally, we argue that, given the worldwide nature of the socio-economic changes that have predisposedfor the emergence of SARS and avian influenza in Southeast Asia, such changes herald the beginning ofa global trend for which we are ill prepared.


Keywords: SARS; SARS-CoV; Koch’s postulates; aetiology

<< Read the rest at the linked site >>

New coronavirus confirmed as SARS pathogen

And it's a little early for much detail on SARS-CoV-2 but:
ScienceDirect: The SARS-CoV-2 outbreak: What we know. by Di Wu, Tiantian Wu, Qun Liu1 and ZhicongYang


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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #316 on: April 27, 2020, 05:56:27 AM »
Completely wrong.

This much we know for sure: SARS was not a virus, it was caused by mycobacterium. So was H1N1.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.573.8374&rep=rep1&type=pdf

SARS: Just another viral acronym?
L. Broxmeyer

Recent observations and experimental evidence have purported that a virus causes SARS, but such viruses have been isolated in only less than half of SARS patients in some studies and virologist Vincent Plummer of Winnipeg’s National Microbiology Laboratory found that indeed 1 in 5 perfectly healthy Canadians with a history of recent travel to Asia had the virus. Therefore SARS microbiologic origins remain unclear.
Outbreaks of multi-drug resistant (MDR) tuberculosis and the atypical mycobacteria simulate SARS on clinical, radiologic, epidemiologic, and diagnostic laboratory grounds and it is only logical then to include them in the differential to find a definitive cause and cure for SARS.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #317 on: April 27, 2020, 06:08:40 AM »
Rebecca Culshaw even says that HIV is a social construct, and the idea that it is passed through sexual conduct is laughable. How the fuck do 300 000 people die a year by a social construct? And how do condoms and sexual education stop people from dying, from a Fucking social construct!

No need to use profanity my friend.
Let me get this straight. Are you sitting there with your bare face hanging out and telling us that AIDS cannot be transmitted sexually?
You will notice that the profanity was not directed at anyone here. Its directed at her absolute idiotic idea that HIV is a social construct.
The same Dr. Peter Duesberg Sandy seems to worship believes that HIV is caused by the use of drugs and homosexuality.

HIV is indeed transmitted through sexual conduct (blood to blood), Sandy's hero seems to disagree.

This leaves you Mr JackA; the official cheerleader of Sandy, in a difficult position. Do you accept Dr P Duesbergs findings that AIDS is created by using drugs, or do you think than it may be a sexually transmitted disease?
Duesberg  went off into whacko land years ago.  He thinks "American AIDS" is caused by snorting poppers, and "African AIDS" by tainted drinking water, or something.  Just absolute nonsense - not even worth engaging with.  Might as well be claiming aliens cause AIDS.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #318 on: April 27, 2020, 06:19:00 AM »

About the original SARS virus:
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The aetiology of SARS: Koch’s postulates fulfilled by A. D. M. E. Osterhaus, R. A. M. Fouchier and T. Kuiken
Institute of Virology, Erasmus University Rotterdam, Dr Molewaterplein 50, 3015 GE Rotterdam, The Netherland

Proof that a newly identified coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) is the primary cause of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) came from a series of studies on experimentally infected cynomolgus macaques (Macaca fascicularis). SARS-CoV-infected macaques developed a disease comparable to SARS in humans; the virus was re-isolated from these animals and they developedSARS-CoV-specific antibodies. This completed the fulfilment of Koch’s postulates, as modified by Rivers for viral diseases, for SARS-CoV as the aetiological agent of SARS. Besides the macaque model, a ferret and a cat model for SARS-CoV were also developed. These animal models allow comparative pathogenesis studies for SARS-CoV infections and testing of different intervention strategies. The first of these studies has shown that pegylated interferon-α, a drug approved for human use, limits SARS-CoV replication and lung damage in experimentally infected macaques. Finally, we argue that, given the worldwide nature of the socio-economic changes that have predisposedfor the emergence of SARS and avian influenza in Southeast Asia, such changes herald the beginning ofa global trend for which we are ill prepared.


Keywords: SARS; SARS-CoV; Koch’s postulates; aetiology

<< Read the rest at the linked site >>

New coronavirus confirmed as SARS pathogen

And it's a little early for much detail on SARS-CoV-2 but:
ScienceDirect: The SARS-CoV-2 outbreak: What we know. by Di Wu, Tiantian Wu, Qun Liu1 and ZhicongYang
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Rabin from Oz. "Sars" was never proven to be responsible for that outbreak, nor has COVID been proven to this point to cause this one. What was proven is how despite breaking every one of Koch's postulates as well as all but one from Virologist Rivers that misleading and in one key case outright fraudulent work (by Kim regarding COVID) was used to produce studies as contrived as "scientific" studies can be. You act as though studies using monkey kidney cells are identical to the use of host cells, which they aren't. I really do not know what your motive for misleading people is but the facts are once again outlined clearly here.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #319 on: April 27, 2020, 06:21:47 AM »
Another sandokhan failure.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_denialism

Says who?

sokarul, obviously  ::)

Oh do you mean sokarul, who fancies himself the ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER?.....that dipwad.

Scientists say so. Look at the dates sandokhan listed. Look at the history of aids/hiv. It was a bunch of fear mongering, being scared, and not wanting to admit straight people can get aids.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #320 on: April 27, 2020, 06:24:18 AM »
Completely wrong.

This much we know for sure: SARS was not a virus, it was caused by mycobacterium. So was H1N1.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.573.8374&rep=rep1&type=pdf

SARS: Just another viral acronym?
L. Broxmeyer

Recent observations and experimental evidence have purported that a virus causes SARS, but such viruses have been isolated in only less than half of SARS patients in some studies and virologist Vincent Plummer of Winnipeg’s National Microbiology Laboratory found that indeed 1 in 5 perfectly healthy Canadians with a history of recent travel to Asia had the virus. Therefore SARS microbiologic origins remain unclear.
Outbreaks of multi-drug resistant (MDR) tuberculosis and the atypical mycobacteria simulate SARS on clinical, radiologic, epidemiologic, and diagnostic laboratory grounds and it is only logical then to include them in the differential to find a definitive cause and cure for SARS.
But your Dr Lawrence Broxmeyer has a phobia about viruses and an obsession about TB and blames everything including influenza, HIV/AIDS and COVID-19 on TB.

But we have almost no TB in Australia but have had 6,720 coronavirus cases.
And USA had 8,920 TB cases last year but 987,322 coronavirus cases and 55,415 deaths.
Those don't seem like the epidemiology of TB.
Then the incubation of TB can be as short as a few weeks but is usually months or more  - again nothing like the incubation period of COVID-19.

Not only that but the incubation period of SARS and MERS was much less.

So no the current pandemic sounds nothing like TB.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #321 on: April 27, 2020, 06:28:53 AM »

Rabin from Oz. "Sars" was never proven to be responsible for that outbreak, nor has COVID been proven to this point to cause this one.
So YOU say!

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What was proven is how despite breaking every one of Koch's postulates as well as all but one from Virologist Rivers that misleading and in one key case outright fraudulent work (by Kim regarding COVID) was used to produce studies as contrived as "scientific" studies can be. You act as though studies using monkey kidney cells is identical to the use of host cells, which it isn't. I really do not know what your motive for misleading people is but the facts are once again outlined clearly here.

I'm misleading no one - look in that mirror again!

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #322 on: April 27, 2020, 06:29:31 AM »
Rebecca Culshaw even says that HIV is a social construct, and the idea that it is passed through sexual conduct is laughable. How the fuck do 300 000 people die a year by a social construct? And how do condoms and sexual education stop people from dying, from a Fucking social construct!

No need to use profanity my friend.
Let me get this straight. Are you sitting there with your bare face hanging out and telling us that AIDS cannot be transmitted sexually?
You will notice that the profanity was not directed at anyone here. Its directed at her absolute idiotic idea that HIV is a social construct.
The same Dr. Peter Duesberg Sandy seems to worship believes that HIV is caused by the use of drugs and homosexuality.

HIV is indeed transmitted through sexual conduct (blood to blood), Sandy's hero seems to disagree.

This leaves you Mr JackA; the official cheerleader of Sandy, in a difficult position. Do you accept Dr P Duesbergs findings that AIDS is created by using drugs, or do you think than it may be a sexually transmitted disease?
Duesberg  went off into whacko land years ago.  He thinks "American AIDS" is caused by snorting poppers, and "African AIDS" by tainted drinking water, or something.  Just absolute nonsense - not even worth engaging with.  Might as well be claiming aliens cause AIDS.
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Very much agreed.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #323 on: April 27, 2020, 06:36:56 AM »
But we have almost no TB in Australia but have had 6,720 coronavirus cases.

Not only misleading, but also a catastrophic personal opinion.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-non-resident-travel-ban-australia/12071640

"About 80 per cent of the cases we have in Australia are either the results of someone who has contracted the virus overseas or someone who has had direct contact with someone who has returned from overseas"

Prime Minister Scott Morrison

6,720 x 80% = 5,376

6,720 - 5,376 = 1,344


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« Reply #324 on: April 27, 2020, 06:39:41 AM »
You posted the wrong link. Rab said TB, not Covid 19.
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« Reply #325 on: April 27, 2020, 07:07:14 AM »
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But we have almost no TB in Australia but have had 6,720 coronavirus cases.
Really? And how much LTBI do you have in Australia. Show me maps of where your greatest concentration of COVID and TB are. That is how you consider epidemiology. Not on a wing and a prayer.
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And USA had 8,920 TB cases last year but 987,322 coronavirus cases and 55,415 deaths.
Those don't seem like the epidemiology of TB.
Nonsense. The US has 13 million cases of LTBI which can become active at any time.
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Then the incubation of TB can be as short as a few weeks but is usually months or more  - again nothing like the incubation period of COVID-19.
Totally wrong. Another one of your old-wives tales about a subject you know nothing about. You are making a fool of yourself.
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So no the current pandemic sounds nothing like TB.
And it sounds much, much less like COVID-19. You my man have virus of the brain.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #326 on: April 27, 2020, 07:14:05 AM »
But we have almost no TB in Australia but have had 6,720 coronavirus cases.

Not only misleading, but also a catastrophic personal opinion.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-non-resident-travel-ban-australia/12071640

"About 80 per cent of the cases we have in Australia are either the results of someone who has contracted the virus overseas or someone who has had direct contact with someone who has returned from overseas"

Prime Minister Scott Morrison

6,720 x 80% = 5,376

6,720 - 5,376 = 1,344

And also I will bet that Rabin from Australia will find much as we have here is the US. The highest incidence of COVID will occur in the highest incidence rate areas of TB and LTBI in Australia. That is certain, much of the time brought in by immigrants from endemic areas.
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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #327 on: April 27, 2020, 07:18:08 AM »

Rabin from Oz. "Sars" was never proven to be responsible for that outbreak, nor has COVID been proven to this point to cause this one.
So YOU say!

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What was proven is how despite breaking every one of Koch's postulates as well as all but one from Virologist Rivers that misleading and in one key case outright fraudulent work (by Kim regarding COVID) was used to produce studies as contrived as "scientific" studies can be. You act as though studies using monkey kidney cells is identical to the use of host cells, which it isn't. I really do not know what your motive for misleading people is but the facts are once again outlined clearly here.

I'm misleading no one - look in that mirror again!

Can't do that Rabin from down-under (way down under). You already broke that mirror when you stood before it and recited your viral fraud.

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sokarul

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #328 on: April 27, 2020, 07:23:59 AM »
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But we have almost no TB in Australia but have had 6,720 coronavirus cases.
Really? And how much LTBI do you have in Australia. Show me maps of where your greatest concentration of COVID and TB are. That is how you consider epidemiology. Not on a wing and a prayer.
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And USA had 8,920 TB cases last year but 987,322 coronavirus cases and 55,415 deaths.
Those don't seem like the epidemiology of TB.
Nonsense. The US has 13 million cases of LTBI which can become active at any time.
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Then the incubation of TB can be as short as a few weeks but is usually months or more  - again nothing like the incubation period of COVID-19.
Totally wrong. Another one of your old-wives tales about a subject you know nothing about. You are making a fool of yourself.
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So no the current pandemic sounds nothing like TB.
And it sounds much, much less like COVID-19. You my man have virus of the brain.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Still not thinking critically.
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

It's no slur if it's fact.

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Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« Reply #329 on: April 27, 2020, 07:29:15 AM »
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But we have almost no TB in Australia but have had 6,720 coronavirus cases.
Really? And how much LTBI do you have in Australia. Show me maps of where your greatest concentration of COVID and TB are. That is how you consider epidemiology. Not on a wing and a prayer.
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And USA had 8,920 TB cases last year but 987,322 coronavirus cases and 55,415 deaths.
Those don't seem like the epidemiology of TB.
Nonsense. The US has 13 million cases of LTBI which can become active at any time.
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Then the incubation of TB can be as short as a few weeks but is usually months or more  - again nothing like the incubation period of COVID-19.
Totally wrong. Another one of your old-wives tales about a subject you know nothing about. You are making a fool of yourself.
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So no the current pandemic sounds nothing like TB.
And it sounds much, much less like COVID-19. You my man have virus of the brain.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Still not thinking critically.

Compared to my own, your thinking is critically stinking.