So according to denpressure..

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2022, 10:49:16 AM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?

There is no cold. There is only heat.

There is no spoon...
But he is actually right.  There is only energy and lack of energy.  But we call that lack of energy cold.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2022, 11:14:06 AM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?

There is no cold. There is only heat.

There is no spoon...
But he is actually right.  There is only energy and lack of energy.  But we call that lack of energy cold.

True. I'm just not sure how my freezer removes air.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #62 on: April 15, 2022, 11:41:29 AM »
The water does not turn into air. Heat makes the air rise upwards and that is the reason it can carry tiny droplets of water.
This happens everyday.The Sun comes out,it makes the tiny droplets of water rise up .Then in the morning they come down again.This is humidity.
I didn't say it turns into air.
I said it turns into gas, which acts quite like air, given that air is a gas.

Turning it into ice makes it act quite different to air, more so than as a liquid.

And again, this doesn't address the fundamental problem with your claim about light.
Why can green light go through a green light filter but not a red light filter, while red light does the opposite?
Which is more penetrating?
Red light or green light?
And then, why doesn't the more penetrating one go through both filters?

Our vision goes through the filter so it is like watching something inside that filter ,like us being inside the filter because our vision passes through that. So it takes the colour of the filter.
If our vision wouldn't go through that filter we wouldn't see anything in the first place.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #63 on: April 15, 2022, 11:47:38 AM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?
You put it in the freezer so you removed what seperated air from water which is temperature/light/warmth...

This doesn't make any sense.
You have three layers here.Water ,warmth/light/heat and air.
Water is heavier than light.Air is lighter than light.Air is lighter than everything.
Light is heavier than air.You remove the warmth so there is no middle layer to separate these so they become ice.
You need warmth to separate water from air. Otherwise it freezes.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #64 on: April 15, 2022, 11:50:21 AM »
The thing is that air pressure theory is wrong since air is subtle and can not push back to gross materials.
Gross materials penetrate subtle and there is not a reaction to this .It is like a stone entering the sea, it displaces water because it penetrates because it is grosser than subtler water. Water does not push the rock it merely follows the rock as it leaves empty spaces behind .

This is what happens when you don't go to school and skive off instead. A morning in school with some basic chemistry and physics lessons would soon sort you out. Currently you haven't a clue about anything. The terminology you use is basically meaningless.

Material science is a pretty well understood subject, though glass which you mention is indeed a strange beast being neither classically liquid or solid. Other that that all of what you say from a materials perspective is pure BS.
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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #65 on: April 15, 2022, 11:51:14 AM »
I am not saying that this is the real truth but it might be a worthy direction.

I just don't believe in transformation of matter and weird scientific theories.
Everything has to be physics that make sense that helps us understand reality and help us move along in the world. This is all i am saying.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #66 on: April 15, 2022, 12:02:11 PM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?
You put it in the freezer so you removed what seperated air from water which is temperature/light/warmth...

This doesn't make any sense.
You have three layers here.Water ,warmth/light/heat and air.
Water is heavier than light.Air is lighter than light.Air is lighter than everything.
Light is heavier than air.You remove the warmth so there is no middle layer to separate these so they become ice.
You need warmth to separate water from air. Otherwise it freezes.

Woha cowboy. You speak about things you have no understanding of.

1. you say:- 'Water is heavier than light'

Have you personally tried to weigh a photon?

2. You then say:-

'Air is lighter than everything'?

Do you know what air is composed of? Do you think it's the one substance? What about Hydrogen not normally a component of air as its so reactive?

3.  Then you say:-

'Light is heavier than air.'

Have you actually tried weighing both? as I previously said how did you actually weigh a photon or photons? and how did you determine it was heavier than air?

4 Then you say:-

'Light is heavier than air.You remove the warmth so there is no middle layer to separate these so they become ice'

Are you saying light is a component of ice? What is this mysterious middle layer?

You sound very confused about some pretty basic stuff that any good book on chemistry will soon remedy.




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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #67 on: April 15, 2022, 12:05:57 PM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?
You put it in the freezer so you removed what seperated air from water which is temperature/light/warmth...

This doesn't make any sense.
You have three layers here.Water ,warmth/light/heat and air.
Water is heavier than light.Air is lighter than light.Air is lighter than everything.
Light is heavier than air.You remove the warmth so there is no middle layer to separate these so they become ice.
You need warmth to separate water from air. Otherwise it freezes.

Woha cowboy. You speak about things you have no understanding of.

1. you say:- 'Water is heavier than light'

Have you personally tried to weigh a photon?

2. You then say:-

'Air is lighter than everything'?

Do you know what air is composed of? Do you think it's the one substance? What about Hydrogen not normally a component of air as its so reactive?

3.  Then you say:-

'Light is heavier than air.'

Have you actually tried weighing both? as I previously said how did you actually weigh a photon or photons? and how did you determine it was heavier than air?

4 Then you say:-

'Light is heavier than air.You remove the warmth so there is no middle layer to separate these so they become ice'

Are you saying light is a component of ice? What is this mysterious middle layer?

You sound very confused about some pretty basic stuff that any good book on chemistry will soon remedy.

If light was  lighter than air it would not fall from above. It also falls in the shape of penetrating rays .
Air and water are components of ice with light energy being absent .

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #68 on: April 15, 2022, 12:09:17 PM »
The thing is ,can someone make an experiment to freeze water in the absence of air?
Because i think we see the water freezing first thing where the water surface meets the air surface...

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2022, 12:15:04 PM »

If light was  lighter than air it would not fall from above. It also falls in the shape of penetrating rays .
Air and water are components of ice with light energy being absent .

What do you mean, light falls from above?

Air is not a component of ice.  Air can become trapped in ice, but it is entirely possible to create ice without air in it. Ice made this way is more transparent than ice that contains air bubbles, as the boundary between the air bubbles and the ice refracfts and scatters the  light, increasing its opacity.
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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #70 on: April 15, 2022, 12:17:45 PM »
I am not saying that this is the real truth but it might be a worthy direction.

I just don't believe in transformation of matter and weird scientific theories.
Everything has to be physics that make sense that helps us understand reality and help us move along in the world. This is all i am saying.

You're dead right it's not the truth, in fact it's the opposite.

You don't believe in fairly simple accepted theories that underpin so many of the chemical processes that make your life possible?

Tell that to a chemist! Ok some would say chemistry at its most fundamental level is in fact physics, but its something you may well benefit from reading about as your understanding appears to be pretty confused to say the least.

A lack of knowledge is no excuse for just making stuff up to fill the gaps. The problem is the world as you know it works despite you not understanding the vast majority of the processes that take place to make it possible.

The tablet, computer or phone you typed out your nonsense on was made by thousands of individual  processes that you have no understanding of. Just because you don't understand them does not  make them weird. It just means you have no understanding of them. In other words you live in ignorance of them and have decided through ignorance to call them weird, even although you rely on them.

Do you know anything of the processes by which the rare earth metals in your phone are produced? Can you name any rare earth material?
Do you know anything of their unique properties?
Do you understand or know how your phone or computer screens are made and the physics that underpins them? Never mind all the other components found inside.

I would image you know nothing about all those things yet others do and the principals behind them are very well understood despite you're ignorance.  The very fact that these things are produced by the millions is proof of that.

Ignorance is no justification for making up BS.
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« Reply #71 on: April 15, 2022, 12:21:44 PM »
The thing is ,can someone make an experiment to freeze water in the absence of air?
Because i think we see the water freezing first thing where the water surface meets the air surface...

Ice can be found throughout the solar system where no air, as you call it, is present. To form ice only requires hydrogen and oxygen, no air required. Many of the outer planets have vast mountain ranges made of water ice with no air required. Take a trip to Pluto and see for yourself.
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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2022, 12:34:06 PM »

If light was  lighter than air it would not fall from above. It also falls in the shape of penetrating rays .
Air and water are components of ice with light energy being absent .

What do you mean, light falls from above?

Air is not a component of ice.  Air can become trapped in ice, but it is entirely possible to create ice without air in it. Ice made this way is more transparent than ice that contains air bubbles, as the boundary between the air bubbles and the ice refracfts and scatters the  light, increasing its opacity.

Light falls from the sky.This is what we see in everyday life. How it gets there,i don't know.I don't know what sun or moon are.
Rain falls from the sky,because it is heavier than air.
But rain is created from clouds which i believe is the result of tiny droplets of water being displaced higher  in the sky from the mountains (because they have less distance to travel to the sky from  there when comparing to the same activity from sea level).
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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2022, 12:39:11 PM »

If light was  lighter than air it would not fall from above. It also falls in the shape of penetrating rays .
Air and water are components of ice with light energy being absent .

What do you mean, light falls from above?

Air is not a component of ice.  Air can become trapped in ice, but it is entirely possible to create ice without air in it. Ice made this way is more transparent than ice that contains air bubbles, as the boundary between the air bubbles and the ice refracfts and scatters the  light, increasing its opacity.

Light falls from the sky.This is what we see in everyday life. How it gets there,i don't know.I don't know what sun or moon are.


Why does light from a laser not fall? 
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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #74 on: April 15, 2022, 12:53:41 PM »

If light was  lighter than air it would not fall from above. It also falls in the shape of penetrating rays .
Air and water are components of ice with light energy being absent .

What do you mean, light falls from above?

Air is not a component of ice.  Air can become trapped in ice, but it is entirely possible to create ice without air in it. Ice made this way is more transparent than ice that contains air bubbles, as the boundary between the air bubbles and the ice refracfts and scatters the  light, increasing its opacity.

Light falls from the sky.This is what we see in everyday life. How it gets there,i don't know.I don't know what sun or moon are.


Why does light from a laser not fall?

Ι don't know how lasers work. What is your idea here? Can one calculate the distance it can travel vertically versus horizontally?If you were to direct it vertically from above would it fall in much greater distance ?

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2022, 12:56:16 PM »
Maybe the whole idea of a laser is that it is too penetrating and so it can rip through the layers of the air very easy .But when we use a light ,the light is much wider.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2022, 01:08:37 PM »
What grade are you in currently?

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2022, 01:25:14 PM »

You have three layers here.Water ,warmth/light/heat and air.
OK tap your foot as you count . . .




Water is heavier than light.
I believe three tons of light would be lighter than a drop of water.



You need warmth to separate water from air. Otherwise it freezes.

I give up.           




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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2022, 01:33:10 PM »
Water is heavier than light.
I believe three tons of light would be lighter than a drop of water.

I also believe this.

Three tons of light in a box in my garage would be lighter than one drop of water on the surface of a neutron star.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2022, 01:48:04 PM »
Water is heavier than light.
I believe three tons of light would be lighter than a drop of water.

I also believe this.

Three tons of light in a box in my garage would be lighter than one drop of water on the surface of a neutron star.


Just keep your cat away from the box.
I've heard bad things about cats and boxes.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2022, 03:02:01 PM »
The water does not turn into air. Heat makes the air rise upwards and that is the reason it can carry tiny droplets of water.
This happens everyday.The Sun comes out,it makes the tiny droplets of water rise up .Then in the morning they come down again.This is humidity.
I didn't say it turns into air.
I said it turns into gas, which acts quite like air, given that air is a gas.

Turning it into ice makes it act quite different to air, more so than as a liquid.

And again, this doesn't address the fundamental problem with your claim about light.
Why can green light go through a green light filter but not a red light filter, while red light does the opposite?
Which is more penetrating?
Red light or green light?
And then, why doesn't the more penetrating one go through both filters?

Our vision goes through the filter so it is like watching something inside that filter ,like us being inside the filter because our vision passes through that. So it takes the colour of the filter.
If our vision wouldn't go through that filter we wouldn't see anything in the first place.
That in no way addresses the issue.
You claim that light is penetrating, and that is why it can pass through things.
But here we have an example of 2 colours of light, where each can pass through one filter and not the other.
This shows it is something fundamentally different to what you claim.

If it was based upon density or penetrating ability or anything like that, one of the colours of light should be able to pass through both filters.

I just don't believe in transformation of matter and weird scientific theories.
Everything has to be physics that make sense that helps us understand reality and help us move along in the world. This is all i am saying.
So you don't believe in freezing and melting? Why?
It is quite basic physics, that is well understood and helps us move along in the world.

In fact, lots of modern physics matches that, including the RE model and gravity and so on.

Conversely, what you are saying makes no sense and doesn't help us at all.

The thing is ,can someone make an experiment to freeze water in the absence of air?
Because i think we see the water freezing first thing where the water surface meets the air surface...
Depending on how you define "absence of air", yes.

The reason the first part of water that freezes is the air is 2 fold, first as water cools below 4 degrees, its density decreases due to the more ordered structure it is taking on which has voids in it (actual voids, not ones full of air).
This makes the cold water rise to the top, making the top layer freeze first.
The second is heat transfer.
A freezer uses air to transfer heat away from the water, and it is harder for it to go through the normally insulating ice tray material.


Here is a simple experiment you can do, go and boil some water to degas it.
Then fill a balloon with this boiled water.
Then tie off the balloon, making sure there is no air in it.
Then put it in a freezer and observe it freeze, with no air getting in.

If light was  lighter than air it would not fall from above.
Light has no mass and can pass straight through some mass. It can go up and down.
Go stand on the top of a mountain, and observe the ground around you, that involves light going up.
But rain is created from clouds which i believe is the result of tiny droplets of water being displaced higher  in the sky from the mountains (because they have less distance to travel to the sky from  there when comparing to the same activity from sea level).
If this was the case the world would have flooded.
It is primarily from the oceans and seas of the world.
And it isn't taken away as tiny droplets. It is taken away as gas.
The water evaporates or boils, turning into a gas which is lighter than air.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2022, 04:03:28 PM »
The water evaporates or boils, turning into a gas which is lighter than air.

 Nitrogen is 3% lighter than oxygen.
Get on it, boy. 

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2022, 04:26:22 PM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?

There is no cold. There is only heat.

There is no spoon...
But he is actually right.  There is only energy and lack of energy.  But we call that lack of energy cold.

True. I'm just not sure how my freezer removes air.
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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2022, 04:29:59 PM »
The water evaporates or boils, turning into a gas which is lighter than air.

 Nitrogen is 3% lighter than oxygen.
Get on it, boy.
Why moose, why?  Lmao.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2022, 04:54:24 PM »
The water evaporates or boils, turning into a gas which is lighter than air.

 Nitrogen is 3% lighter than oxygen.
Get on it, boy.
Where you thinking of air?
Nitrogen is 3% lighter than air, but ~12.5% lighter than oxygen.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2022, 06:19:11 PM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?

There is no cold. There is only heat.

There is no spoon...
But he is actually right.  There is only energy and lack of energy.  But we call that lack of energy cold.

True. I'm just not sure how my freezer removes air.
Magic, it's magic, do not question it.

I like magic.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2022, 08:40:08 PM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?

There is no cold. There is only heat.

There is no spoon...
But he is actually right.  There is only energy and lack of energy.  But we call that lack of energy cold.

True. I'm just not sure how my freezer removes air.
Magic, it's magic, do not question it.

I like magic.
well making ice quite clearly is magic:

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2022, 10:59:18 PM »
Ιce must be some kind of soldering between water and air.
When ice melts we see that the water had less volume than what we expected when seeing it in ice form.
Light can pass through air ,so ?

Ice is really cold (frozen) water, no soldering required. Have you ever filled an ice tray with water, put it in the freezer, hours later, pop out some ice cubes and made a cocktail? First it was a guarded cabal secret how glass is made and now ice cubes?

There is no cold. There is only heat.

There is no spoon...
But he is actually right.  There is only energy and lack of energy.  But we call that lack of energy cold.

True. I'm just not sure how my freezer removes air.
Magic, it's magic, do not question it.

I like magic.
well making ice quite clearly is magic:


I like magic even more!

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2022, 11:40:55 PM »
So he had the water in the bottle. No air contact.
Then he poured the chilled water into a chilly surface with lots of air.
With no heat due to both the chilling surface and the chilled water, water and air crystallized into ice.

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Re: So according to denpressure..
« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2022, 11:44:29 PM »
So he had the water in the bottle. No air contact.
No, they had the water in the bottle, with air at the top.

Then he poured the chilled water into a chilly surface with lots of air.
With no heat due to both the chilling surface and the chilled water, water and air crystallized into ice.
No, they poured it onto a surface which had a nucleation site, allowing water to start forming ice crystals and freeze.

Again, why can we have 2 colours of light where each can pass through a filter for it, but not the other filter for the other one?