Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2019, 05:13:05 PM »
Everyone here knows about these fantastic photographs.

The color of the Black Sun is unprocessed.

What makes you think it wasn't the moon

The Allais effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382
If the moon doesn't cause the eclipse, then where is the moon during the eclipse and why do eclipses only ever happen when the moon is predicted to be in front of the sun?


And we are REALLY GOOD a predicting solar eclipses! Here is a map of every solar eclipse to come until 2060:


Now if predicting solar eclipses is so easy, why can't Sandokhan tell us EXACTLY where the 'black sun' is right now?

You cant tell us that is accurate until after the fact. Lets see that picture again in 2060 and see if it comes to pass just as it says

Considering the map is copyright 2011, we are already getting a sneak peek at its accuracy.

Do you have a cached image proving its existence in 2011 to authenticate that? Otherwise as far as I may as well know it could have been whipped up last week

If that map's copyright can be faked, couldn't a cached image be faked?
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2019, 05:13:17 PM »
Everyone here knows about these fantastic photographs.

The color of the Black Sun is unprocessed.

What makes you think it wasn't the moon

The Allais effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg760382#msg760382
If the moon doesn't cause the eclipse, then where is the moon during the eclipse and why do eclipses only ever happen when the moon is predicted to be in front of the sun?


And we are REALLY GOOD a predicting solar eclipses! Here is a map of every solar eclipse to come until 2060:


Now if predicting solar eclipses is so easy, why can't Sandokhan tell us EXACTLY where the 'black sun' is right now?

You cant tell us that is accurate until after the fact. Lets see that picture again in 2060 and see if it comes to pass just as it says

Considering the map is copyright 2011, we are already getting a sneak peek at its accuracy.

Do you have a cached image proving its existence in 2011 to authenticate that? Otherwise as far as I may as well know it could have been whipped up last week

"Published in Observer's Handbook 2011, Royal Astronomical Society of Canada"

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/OH/OH2011.html

Go find the 2011 handbook and you tell us.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2019, 05:26:16 PM »
I could make a pretty picture like that and say it was originally published a long time ago and I bet 99.9% of people who look at it wouldn't question the source (as long as I had a famous name or organisation like NASA). The .1% of people who look, wont have a loud enough voice or profile to bring it to the attention of the other 99.9%

Most people look at a picture or read something on the internet and for some unholy God forbidden reason, trust it implicitly. All our bullshit filters seemed to be switched off when exposed to HEV light (ie your screen)

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2019, 05:36:42 PM »
I could make a pretty picture like that and say it was originally published a long time ago and I bet 99.9% of people who look at it wouldn't question the source (as long as I had a famous name or organisation like NASA). The .1% of people who look, wont have a loud enough voice or profile to bring it to the attention of the other 99.9%

Most people look at a picture or read something on the internet and for some unholy God forbidden reason, trust it implicitly. All our bullshit filters seemed to be switched off when exposed to HEV light (ie your screen)

I don't entirely disagree. But I trust my sources including the Royal Astronomical Society of Canada; that they published an observer's handbook back in 2011.
If you distrust these sources then show that no such eclipse handbook was published in 2011. Otherwise, I don't know where to go with this.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2019, 06:26:53 PM »
There is no gravitation effect, in the sense of Newtonian gravitation.
Incorrect! It's been directly measured hundreds of times!

Newton never published a "Theory of Gravitation" he published a "Law of Gravitation" and in scientific terms there is a world of a difference between a "Law" and a "Theory".

All Newton claimed, based on a great of research by Galileo Galillee, Robert Hooke and himself was that gravitation behaved as if .

He did speculate that this could be caused by aether pressure.

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Newton first had to prove that the Earth rotates around its own axis, before trying to apply any equations to other planets.
Like to prove that statement?
The need for the earth rotating on its axis resulted from the failure of a Geocentric system to explain the planetary orbits.

And if Newton's Laws of Motion and Universal Gravitation are correct then, for a number of reasons, the earth must be rotation at about the observed rate.

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Einstein failed to show that his GR applies to many body problems, that is why he was refused the Nobel prize in general relativity.
Where did you drag that from?
Read about the real reasons for his not getting the Nobel prize specifically for General Relativity in, politics and anti-semitism came into it:
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Why Einstein never received a Nobel prize for relativity
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By this time, Einstein had a decade's worth of Nobel nominations behind him. Yet each year, to mounting criticism, the committee decided against his work on the grounds that relativity was unproven. In 1919, that changed. Cambridge astrophysicist Arthur Eddington famously used a total eclipse to measure the deflection of stars' positions near the Sun. The size of the deflection was exactly as Einstein had predicted from relativity in 1915. The prize should have been his, but the committee snubbed him again.

Why? Because now dark forces were at work.

Antisemitism was on the rise in Germany; Jews were being scapegoated for the country's defeat in the war. As both Jew and pacifist, Einstein was an obvious target. The complexity of relativity did not help either. Opponents such as Ernst Gehrcke and Philipp Lenard found it easy to cast doubt upon its labyrinthine mathematics.

The situation reached crisis point in 1921 when, paralysed by indecision, the Nobel Committee decided it was better not to award a prize at all than to give it to relativity. The arguments raged for another year until a compromise was reached.

At the suggestion of Carl Wilhelm Oseen, Einstein would receive the deferred 1921 prize, but not for relativity. He would be given it for his explanation of the photoelectric effect, a phenomenon in which electrons are emitted from a metal sheet only under certain illuminations. The work had been published back in 1905.
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The Nobel citation reads that Einstein is honoured for "services to theoretical physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect". At first glance, the reference to theoretical physics could have been a back door through which the committee acknowledged relativity. However, there was a caveat stating that the award was presented "without taking into account the value that will be accorded your relativity and gravitation theories after these are confirmed in the future".
<< And much more >>

So where did you drag this from, "Einstein failed to show that his GR applies to many body problems, that is why he was refused the Nobel prize in general relativity"?

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There is no such thing as attractive gravitation.
Agreed!

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Terrestrial gravity is a force of pressure.
No, terrestrial and all other "gravitation" is an inertial force, an acceleration and its units are and always have been acceleration eg m/s2!

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Stellar/planetary gravity is a force of rotation, the circulating aether (Newton's own words) causes the planets to orbit between the two domes.
How can "a force of rotation" cause what we observe as gravitation? "A force of rotation" drives bodies apart and an opposing force, the centripetal force is needed to keep them in orbit.

Though in General Relativity these orbits are Geodesics in Spacetime that a body will follow in not subject to another force - just as standing on the ground stops you falling further.

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The Black Sun only crosses the sky to cause the solar eclipse, for the rest of the time it orbits the flat earth surface beyond Antarctica.
According to you! But why is it that your "Black Sun" always appears precisely where the moon is predicted to be at that time - that's a strange coincidence!

I've a simple and obvious suggestion. Maybe your "Black Sun" really is the moon ;)!

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2019, 07:01:00 PM »
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The Allais effect is the alleged anomalous behavior of pendulums or gravimeters
which is sometimes purportedly observed during a solar eclipse.
The effect was first reported as an anomalous precession of the plane of oscillation
of a Foucault pendulum during the solar eclipse of June 30, 1954 by Maurice Allais,
a French polymath who went on to win the Nobel Prize in Economics.
Allais reported another observation of the effect during the solar eclipse of October 2, 1959
using the paraconical pendulum he invented.
This study earned him the 1959 Galabert Prize of the French Astronautical Society
and made him a laureate of the U.S. Gravity Research Foundation for his 1959 memoir on gravity.
The veracity of the Allais effect remains controversial among the scientific community, as its testing
has frequently met with inconsistent or ambiguous results over more than five decades of observation.
(from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allais_effect)

All in all, the existence of the Allais Effect proves the existence of both, gravitation and Earth's rotation.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2019, 08:41:05 PM »
I have been researching FE explanations for Solar eclipses. I found this:

"A Solar Eclipse occurs when an observer on Earth passes through the shadow cast by the Moon which fully or partially blocks the Sun. This happens when the Sun, Moon and observer are nearly aligned on a straight line when the Moon is close to the ecliptic. In a total solar eclipse, the disk of the Sun is fully obscured by the Moon. In partial and annular eclipses, only part of the Sun is obscured." (https://wiki.tfes.org/Solar_Eclipse)

So far so good. Then I found this eclipse from November 23 2003:




Most solar eclipses move from west to east, however this eclipse is moving first south and then west. I'm not sure how that would fit the FE model.

Then there's the fact that the penumbra covers all of Antarctica at the same time. On FE that would mean the whole ice wall is covered by the penumbra. I'm not sure how could that work on FE, maybe there's more than one moon? or the sun got inside the moon? I'm out of ideas.

The penumbra starts in Australia, where a partial eclipse was visible in most of the country and 4 hours later it reaches the southern tip of South America. On the FE disk that would be a huge distance for the shadow to cover in just four hours. Since FE southern hemisphere is three times bigger as the northern hemisphere, maybe that is expected. However I haven't found any information regarding to eclipse shadow speed in FE. Is it rue that FE eclipses move faster in the southern hemisphere?

So the my questions for FE are:
1. Can FE explain sun and moon path and distances during this eclipse?
2. Does the eclipse shadow move generally faster in southern eclipses vs northern eclipses?

Only possible for the one and only >> PHEW FE Map :')
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2019, 08:46:34 PM »
I have been researching FE explanations for Solar eclipses. I found this:

"A Solar Eclipse occurs when an observer on Earth passes through the shadow cast by the Moon which fully or partially blocks the Sun. This happens when the Sun, Moon and observer are nearly aligned on a straight line when the Moon is close to the ecliptic. In a total solar eclipse, the disk of the Sun is fully obscured by the Moon. In partial and annular eclipses, only part of the Sun is obscured." (https://wiki.tfes.org/Solar_Eclipse)

So far so good. Then I found this eclipse from November 23 2003:




Most solar eclipses move from west to east, however this eclipse is moving first south and then west. I'm not sure how that would fit the FE model.

Then there's the fact that the penumbra covers all of Antarctica at the same time. On FE that would mean the whole ice wall is covered by the penumbra. I'm not sure how could that work on FE, maybe there's more than one moon? or the sun got inside the moon? I'm out of ideas.

The penumbra starts in Australia, where a partial eclipse was visible in most of the country and 4 hours later it reaches the southern tip of South America. On the FE disk that would be a huge distance for the shadow to cover in just four hours. Since FE southern hemisphere is three times bigger as the northern hemisphere, maybe that is expected. However I haven't found any information regarding to eclipse shadow speed in FE. Is it rue that FE eclipses move faster in the southern hemisphere?

So the my questions for FE are:
1. Can FE explain sun and moon path and distances during this eclipse?
2. Does the eclipse shadow move generally faster in southern eclipses vs northern eclipses?

Only possible for the one and only >> PHEW FE Map :')

We'll know for sure on June 10th, 2021 when an annular solar eclipse is due to pass almost exactly over the North Pole.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2019, 09:06:12 PM »
I have been researching FE explanations for Solar eclipses. I found this:

"A Solar Eclipse occurs when an observer on Earth passes through the shadow cast by the Moon which fully or partially blocks the Sun. This happens when the Sun, Moon and observer are nearly aligned on a straight line when the Moon is close to the ecliptic. In a total solar eclipse, the disk of the Sun is fully obscured by the Moon. In partial and annular eclipses, only part of the Sun is obscured." (https://wiki.tfes.org/Solar_Eclipse)

So far so good. Then I found this eclipse from November 23 2003:




Most solar eclipses move from west to east, however this eclipse is moving first south and then west. I'm not sure how that would fit the FE model.

Then there's the fact that the penumbra covers all of Antarctica at the same time. On FE that would mean the whole ice wall is covered by the penumbra. I'm not sure how could that work on FE, maybe there's more than one moon? or the sun got inside the moon? I'm out of ideas.

The penumbra starts in Australia, where a partial eclipse was visible in most of the country and 4 hours later it reaches the southern tip of South America. On the FE disk that would be a huge distance for the shadow to cover in just four hours. Since FE southern hemisphere is three times bigger as the northern hemisphere, maybe that is expected. However I haven't found any information regarding to eclipse shadow speed in FE. Is it rue that FE eclipses move faster in the southern hemisphere?

So the my questions for FE are:
1. Can FE explain sun and moon path and distances during this eclipse?
2. Does the eclipse shadow move generally faster in southern eclipses vs northern eclipses?

Only possible for the one and only >> PHEW FE Map :')

We'll know for sure on June 10th, 2021 when an annular solar eclipse is due to pass almost exactly over the North Pole.

The path is along North rim.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2019, 10:12:20 PM »
All in all, the existence of the Allais Effect proves the existence of both, gravitation and Earth's rotation.

You are embarrassing yourself.

How can it prove gravitation when the LAW OF GRAVITATION ITSELF is defied on a monumental scale?

Please read:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83098.msg2201080#msg2201080



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.



How can it prove gravitation when the law of universal gravitation is defied on such a colossal scale?


Please read:

"Allais used the phrase “a brutal displacement” … to describe the “sudden, extraordinary backwards movement” of the pendulum his laboratory chief had seen (and carefully recorded!), even while not knowing its “mysterious” cause ... until later that same afternoon.

Here (below) is what those “anomalous eclipse motions” in Allias’ pendulum looked like; this graphic, adapted from Scientific American, depicts the mechanical arrangement of Allais’ unique paraconical pendulum (below – left).

The three vertical panels to its right illustrate the pendulum’s “highly anomalous motions” -- recorded during two partial solar eclipses to cross Allais’ Paris laboratory in the 1950’s (the first in 1954, the second in 1959); the phase of each eclipse that corresponded with these “anomalous motions,” is depicted in the last three vertical strips (far right)."



"This normal, downward-sloping trend is abruptly REVERSED!

From there, things rapidly got even more bizarre--

As the pendulum’s azimuth motion continues in an accelerating, COUNTER-clockwise direction … for the next 45 minutes; then, after peaking, the pendulum motion REVERSES direction (moving clockwise again …), only to reverse BACK again (counterclockwise!) … briefly [as the Moon reaches “mid-eclipse” (the central green line)] -- before abruptly reversing once more, accelerating again in a CLOCKWISE direction … before eventually “bottoming out” … parallel to the ORIGINAL “Foucault/Earth rotation” downward-sloping trend line!"

A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTON'S ATTRACTIVE GRAVITATION!


If the moon doesn't cause the eclipse, then where is the moon during the eclipse and why do eclipses only ever happen when the moon is predicted to be in front of the sun?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1628430#msg1628430


Incorrect! It's been directly measured hundreds of times!

It hasn't.

The heliocentrists had to invent the huge distances to the stars/planets and on top of this the huge diameters of all of the planets (Sun and Moon also).

Here on Earth, we have the fake Cavendish type experiments which measure the effect of ether waves, nothing else.

It takes a SINGLE COUNTEREXAMPLE TO invalidate Newton's law of gravitation.

Here it is: the DEPALMA EFFECT.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387

We are discussing here the ALLAIS EFFECT, another huge defiance of the law of universal gravitation.l

So, your statement is fake.

The need for the earth rotating on its axis resulted from the failure of a Geocentric system to explain the planetary orbits.


WHAT ?!

Kepler FAKED/FUDGED/FORGED all of this data pertaining to the elliptical orbit of Mars, he faked the entire Nova Astronomia:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776670#msg1776670

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776680#msg1776680

Geocentrism works out very well, without the need to resort TO FAKE DATA.

Read about the real reasons for his not getting the Nobel prize specifically for General Relativity in, politics and anti-semitism came into it:

That is the BS published by Einstein's apologists, in order to deflect attention from the real reason: HIS EQUATIONS DO NOT HAVE A BOUNDED DYNAMIC SOLUTION.

That is why A. GULLSTRAND, the chairman of the Nobel prize committee REFUSED to give Einstein the Nobel prize for general relativity.

He found out that his equations apply ONLY TO STATIC SYSTEMS.

Here is the proof:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2194825#msg2194825

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2196454#msg2196454

No, terrestrial and all other "gravitation" is an inertial force, an acceleration and its units are and always have been acceleration eg m/s2!

It can't be.

HERE IS THE EXACT FORMULA FOR THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, derived by Hermann Weyl, the greatest mathematician in the world, 1917-1955, several ranks higher than Einstein:





How can "a force of rotation" cause what we observe as gravitation? "A force of rotation" drives bodies apart and an opposing force, the centripetal force is needed to keep them in orbit.

You simply do not understand.

The density of aether above the dome is much higher than under the dome: the planets and stars are IMMERSED in this medium and are driven to orbit very precisely.

According to you! But why is it that your "Black Sun" always appears precisely where the moon is predicted to be at that time - that's a strange coincidence!

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1628430#msg1628430


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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2019, 12:04:52 AM »
The Black Sun only crosses the sky to cause the solar eclipse, for the rest of the time it orbits the flat earth surface beyond Antarctica.

OK, so you believe solar eclipses are caused by something called  "black sun" from the nordic mythology. That's a cool story but it doesn't answer how this eclipse is possible on the FE disk:
- Total eclipse crossing Antcarctica from north to south, then east to west.
- Penumbra covering all of antarctica/ice wall at once.
- Penumbra going from Australia to Chile in just four hours

Maybe you or other FE can describe the path of the celestial body eclipsing the sun on the FE map during this eclipse.

Additional questions for black sun believers:

- Since the eclipse starts in Australia. How does the black sun travel from beyond Antarctica to a point between the sun and Australia in plain day without being visible in the sky?  Eclipses in the northern hemisphere would make this feat even more difficult without teleportation.


- How could NASA and other agencies accurately predict eclipse timing and size and path of umbra and penumbra?
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2019, 01:17:19 AM »
All in all, the existence of the Allais Effect proves the existence of both, gravitation and Earth's rotation.

You are embarrassing yourself.

How can it prove gravitation when the LAW OF GRAVITATION ITSELF is defied on a monumental scale?
Your claim of "the LAW OF GRAVITATION ITSELF is defied on a monumental scale" is only true if there is no other explaination that your hypothesis.

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How can "a force of rotation" cause what we observe as gravitation? "A force of rotation" drives bodies apart and an opposing force, the centripetal force is needed to keep them in orbit.

You simply do not understand.

The density of aether above the dome is much higher than under the dome: the planets and stars are IMMERSED in this medium and are driven to orbit very precisely.
Would you care to prove that hypothesis of yours? You haven't proven that there is a dome!

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According to you! But why is it that your "Black Sun" always appears precisely where the moon is predicted to be at that time - that's a strange coincidence!

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1628430#msg1628430
So you rely on ancient myths for your proof ::)
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The Bundahishn (the most fantastic treatise in pre-Flood cosmology and astronomy) tells that at a certain time in the past, the Earth had 24 hour a day light, coming from two Suns (the visible Sun and our present Moon) and that there were no solar or lunar eclipses.

Then, the Black Sun and its companion (the heavenly body which does bring about now the lunar eclipse) caused the first solar and lunar eclipses, in a cosmic catastrophe which is still recalled in various legends around the world.
Forgive me if I seem a little skeptical but "various legends around the world" doesn't sound like a reliable source of information unless it's verified by modern observations!

I've read somewhere where you also claim that the sun and moon are only about 15 km above the earth. Is that correct?

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2019, 01:32:00 AM »
You already posted the path of the Black Sun for the 2003 eclipse:



The same thing happens on the global Piri Reis map also.

in plain day without being visible in the sky?

Because the Black Sun absorbs all visible light, it can only been seen as it transits the Sun during an eclipse.

You must explain the Allais effect, otherwise you must accept the existence of the Black Sun (Rahu in vedic cosmology).

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1991QJRAS..32...53C

From the cosmology of the Desana tribe:



(notice, at the bottom of the image, the two heavenly bodies which are responsible for causing the lunar and solar eclipses)

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2019, 01:36:34 AM »
Your claim of "the LAW OF GRAVITATION ITSELF is defied on a monumental scale" is only true if there is no other explaination that your hypothesis.

Completely wrong.

The full DEFIANCE, in plain sight, of Newtonian mechanics occurs irrespective of any further elaboration as to the cause of the phenomenon.

Please read.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


A TOTAL DEFIANCE of Newtonian mechanics.

"Allais used the phrase “a brutal displacement” … to describe the “sudden, extraordinary backwards movement” of the pendulum his laboratory chief had seen (and carefully recorded!), even while not knowing its “mysterious” cause ... until later that same afternoon.

Here (below) is what those “anomalous eclipse motions” in Allias’ pendulum looked like; this graphic, adapted from Scientific American, depicts the mechanical arrangement of Allais’ unique paraconical pendulum (below – left).

The three vertical panels to its right illustrate the pendulum’s “highly anomalous motions” -- recorded during two partial solar eclipses to cross Allais’ Paris laboratory in the 1950’s (the first in 1954, the second in 1959); the phase of each eclipse that corresponded with these “anomalous motions,” is depicted in the last three vertical strips (far right)."



"This normal, downward-sloping trend is abruptly REVERSED!

From there, things rapidly got even more bizarre--

As the pendulum’s azimuth motion continues in an accelerating, COUNTER-clockwise direction … for the next 45 minutes; then, after peaking, the pendulum motion REVERSES direction (moving clockwise again …), only to reverse BACK again (counterclockwise!) … briefly [as the Moon reaches “mid-eclipse” (the central green line)] -- before abruptly reversing once more, accelerating again in a CLOCKWISE direction … before eventually “bottoming out” … parallel to the ORIGINAL “Foucault/Earth rotation” downward-sloping trend line!"


REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2019, 02:00:30 AM »
You already posted the path of the Black Sun for the 2003 eclipse:



The same thing happens on the global Piri Reis map also.

in plain day without being visible in the sky?

Because the Black Sun absorbs all visible light, it can only been seen as it transits the Sun during an eclipse.

You must explain the Allais effect, otherwise you must accept the existence of the Black Sun (Rahu in vedic cosmology).

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1991QJRAS..32...53C

From the cosmology of the Desana tribe:



(notice, at the bottom of the image, the two heavenly bodies which are responsible for causing the lunar and solar eclipses)

Ok, so you use a different FE map.

The Allais effect has not been consistently measured and any theory based on it is questionable at best.  The Allais effect alone doesn't prove the black sun, you need to provide positive evidence of the Black Sun, otherwise you are just making a baseless claim.

btw I haven't found any measurements of the Allais effect for this particular eclipse, have you?

You are the one claiming the black sun is causing solar eclipses and orbiting somewhere the rest of the time, the burden of proof is on you. 

You claim that the black sun can't be seen the rest of the time because it absorbs all light. That equals making your theory unfalsifiable, which equals pseudoscience. An scientific claim must include the possibility that it can be proven false, otherwise I can also claim that the eclipse was caused by Santa Claus riding a giant gong and it would be as good as your black sun theory.

EDIT: How does NASA predict path of the black sun, umbra and penumbra for all eclipses? I asked this question 3 times already, you are avoiding the question.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2019, 02:23:01 AM »
All in all, the existence of the Allais Effect proves the existence of both, gravitation and Earth's rotation.

You are embarrassing yourself.

How can it prove gravitation when the LAW OF GRAVITATION ITSELF is defied on a monumental scale?

Please read:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83098.msg2201080#msg2201080



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.



How can it prove gravitation when the law of universal gravitation is defied on such a colossal scale?


Please read:

"Allais used the phrase “a brutal displacement” … to describe the “sudden, extraordinary backwards movement” of the pendulum his laboratory chief had seen (and carefully recorded!), even while not knowing its “mysterious” cause ... until later that same afternoon.

Here (below) is what those “anomalous eclipse motions” in Allias’ pendulum looked like; this graphic, adapted from Scientific American, depicts the mechanical arrangement of Allais’ unique paraconical pendulum (below – left).

The three vertical panels to its right illustrate the pendulum’s “highly anomalous motions” -- recorded during two partial solar eclipses to cross Allais’ Paris laboratory in the 1950’s (the first in 1954, the second in 1959); the phase of each eclipse that corresponded with these “anomalous motions,” is depicted in the last three vertical strips (far right)."



"This normal, downward-sloping trend is abruptly REVERSED!

From there, things rapidly got even more bizarre--

As the pendulum’s azimuth motion continues in an accelerating, COUNTER-clockwise direction … for the next 45 minutes; then, after peaking, the pendulum motion REVERSES direction (moving clockwise again …), only to reverse BACK again (counterclockwise!) … briefly [as the Moon reaches “mid-eclipse” (the central green line)] -- before abruptly reversing once more, accelerating again in a CLOCKWISE direction … before eventually “bottoming out” … parallel to the ORIGINAL “Foucault/Earth rotation” downward-sloping trend line!"

A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTON'S ATTRACTIVE GRAVITATION!


If the moon doesn't cause the eclipse, then where is the moon during the eclipse and why do eclipses only ever happen when the moon is predicted to be in front of the sun?

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1628430#msg1628430


Incorrect! It's been directly measured hundreds of times!

It hasn't.

The heliocentrists had to invent the huge distances to the stars/planets and on top of this the huge diameters of all of the planets (Sun and Moon also).

Here on Earth, we have the fake Cavendish type experiments which measure the effect of ether waves, nothing else.

It takes a SINGLE COUNTEREXAMPLE TO invalidate Newton's law of gravitation.

Here it is: the DEPALMA EFFECT.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg753387#msg753387

We are discussing here the ALLAIS EFFECT, another huge defiance of the law of universal gravitation.l

So, your statement is fake.

The need for the earth rotating on its axis resulted from the failure of a Geocentric system to explain the planetary orbits.


WHAT ?!

Kepler FAKED/FUDGED/FORGED all of this data pertaining to the elliptical orbit of Mars, he faked the entire Nova Astronomia:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776670#msg1776670

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1776680#msg1776680

Geocentrism works out very well, without the need to resort TO FAKE DATA.

Read about the real reasons for his not getting the Nobel prize specifically for General Relativity in, politics and anti-semitism came into it:

That is the BS published by Einstein's apologists, in order to deflect attention from the real reason: HIS EQUATIONS DO NOT HAVE A BOUNDED DYNAMIC SOLUTION.

That is why A. GULLSTRAND, the chairman of the Nobel prize committee REFUSED to give Einstein the Nobel prize for general relativity.

He found out that his equations apply ONLY TO STATIC SYSTEMS.

Here is the proof:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2194825#msg2194825

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg2196454#msg2196454

No, terrestrial and all other "gravitation" is an inertial force, an acceleration and its units are and always have been acceleration eg m/s2!

It can't be.

HERE IS THE EXACT FORMULA FOR THE BIEFELD-BROWN EFFECT, derived by Hermann Weyl, the greatest mathematician in the world, 1917-1955, several ranks higher than Einstein:





How can "a force of rotation" cause what we observe as gravitation? "A force of rotation" drives bodies apart and an opposing force, the centripetal force is needed to keep them in orbit.

You simply do not understand.

The density of aether above the dome is much higher than under the dome: the planets and stars are IMMERSED in this medium and are driven to orbit very precisely.

According to you! But why is it that your "Black Sun" always appears precisely where the moon is predicted to be at that time - that's a strange coincidence!

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1628430#msg1628430

Embarrasing myself in your eyes only means that I'm not repeating what are you expecting to hear.

Every measured deviation in pendulum oscillation plane relative to the Earth
means that the Earth as reference point moves.

So, is there Allais efect?

If there is, it was measured using Foucault Pendulum's oscillation plane as a reference,
and it is verified that both planes deviate from initial position relative to the ground as the Earth rotates.
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These things are not about me.
When one points facts out, they speak for themselves.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2019, 02:38:23 AM »
btw I haven't found any measurements of the Allais effect for this particular eclipse, have you?

You'd need a complete lab right there in Antarctica to take measurements; that is why the majority of the published papers on the subject rely on computations made in the northern semiplane.

The Allais effect has not been consistently measured and any theory based on it is questionable at best.

There is a set of very stringent conditions put forth by Dr. Allais: once these constraints are met, the effect is ALWAYS measurable.

Let me prove to you that it is not "questionable".

REFERENCE #1

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2003 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://www.acad.ro/sectii2002/proceedings/doc3_2004/03_Mihaila.pdf

(it also shows that the effect was confirmed during the August 1999 solar eclipse)


The title of the paper is as follows:

A NEW CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT
DURING THE SOLAR ECLIPSE OF 31 MAY 2003

"During the total solar eclipse of 11 August 1999, the existence of the Allais effect was confirmed."

The authors indicate that more measurements/experiments have to be undertaken during future solar eclipses.


REFERENCE #2

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE SEPT. 2006 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://www.hessdalen.org/sse/program/Articol.pdf

The title of the article is as follows:

A confirmation of the Allais and Jeverdan-Rusu-Antonescu effects
during the solar eclipse from 22 September 2006 , and the quantization
of behaviour of pendulum


"The experiments made with a paraconical pendulum during annular solar eclipse from 22 September 2006 confirm once again the existence of the Allais effect."


REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


REFERENCE #4

The Allais pendulum effect confirmed in an experiment performed in 1961:

http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf074/sf074a05.htm


REFERENCE #5

Observations of Correlated Behavior of Two Light Torsion Balances and a Paraconical Pendulum in Separate Locations during the Solar Eclipse of January 26th, 2009:


http://www.researchgate.net/publication/235701910_Observations_of_Correlated_Behavior_of_Two_Light_TorsionBalances_and_a_Paraconical_Pendulum_in_Separate_Locationsduring_the_Solar_Eclipse_of_January_26th_2009

http://www.hindawi.com/journals/aa/2012/263818/

Published in the Advances in Astronomy Journal

Another independent confirmation has been obtained of the previously established fact that at the time of solar eclipses, a specific reaction of the torsion balance can be observed. During a solar eclipse, the readings of two neighboring TBs seem to be correlated. This fact demonstrates the nonaleatory character of the reactions of TBs. Consequently, the reaction of these devices is deterministic, not random. A solar eclipse is such a determinant, since upon termination of a solar eclipse, the correlation becomes insignificant. This conclusion is supported by the PP observations. The PP graph and the TB graphs showed obvious similarity, with the coefficient of correlation of these two independent curves being close to 1.

In particular, we wonder how any physical momentum can be transferred to our instrument during a solar eclipse. Gravity can hardly suffice as an explanation even for understanding the results of the PP measurements. The gravitational potential grows slowly and smoothly over a number of days before eclipse and then declines smoothly afterwards without any sudden variations, but we see relatively short-term events. Moreover, gravity is certainly not applicable to the explanation of the results of the TB observations, since the TB is not sensitive to changes in gravitational potential.

The cause of the time lag between the response of the device in Suceava and the reactions of the devices in Kiev also remains unknown. What can be this force which acts so selectively in space and time?

The anomalies found, that defy understanding in terms of modern physics, are in line with other anomalies, described in a recently published compendium “Should the Laws of Gravitation be reconsidered?” [14].


REFERENCE #6

Precise Underground Observations of the Partial Solar Eclipse of 1 June 2011 Using a Foucault Pendulum and a Very Light Torsion Balance

Published in the International Journal of Astronomy and Astrophysics Journal


http://www.researchgate.net/publication/235701885_Precise_Underground_Observations_of_the_Partial_Solar_Eclipse_of_1_June_2011_Using_a_Foucault_Pendulum_and_a_Very_Light_Torsion_Balance

http://file.scirp.org/Html/3-4500094_26045.htm

http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=26045


Simultaneous observations of the solar eclipse on 06/01/2011 were carried out using a Foucault pendulum and a torsion balance. The instruments were installed in a salt mine, where the interference was minimal. Both instruments clearly reacted to the eclipse. We conclude that these reactions should not be considered as being gravitational effects.

REFERENCE #7

Dr. Erwin Saxl experiment (1970)

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1629054#msg1629054

Published in the Physical Review Journal

Saxl and Allen went on to note that to explain these remarkable eclipse observations, according to "conventional Newtonian/Einsteinian gravitational theory," an increase in the weight of the pendumum bob itself on the order of ~5% would be required ... amounting to (for the ~51.5-lb pendulum bob in the experiment) an increase of ~2.64 lbs!

This would be on the order of one hundred thousand (100,000) times greater than any possible "gravitational tidal effects" Saxl and Allen calculated (using Newtonian Gravitational Theory/ Relativity Theory).



A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTONIAN MECHANICS.

For the same masses/corresponding distances of the Earth, Sun and the Moon, during the Allais experiment, the pendulum's direction of rotation changed from clockwise to counterclockwise, at the end of the eclipse it resumed its normal direction of rotation.

In order to arrive at an explanation, M. Allais considered a wide range
of known periodic phenomena, including the terrestrial tides, variations in
the intensity of gravity, thermal or barometric effects, magnetic variations,
microseismic effects, cosmic rays, and the periodic character of human
activity. Yet, on close examination, the very peculiar nature of the
periodicity shown by the change in azimuth of the pendulum forced the
elimination of all of these as cause.


Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


In other words, the pendulum motions Allais observed during his two eclipses – 1954 and 1959 -- were physically IMPOSSIBLE … according to all known “textbook physics!”


"Allais used the phrase “a brutal displacement” … to describe the “sudden, extraordinary backwards movement” of the pendulum his laboratory chief had seen (and carefully recorded!), even while not knowing its “mysterious” cause ... until later that same afternoon.

Here (below) is what those “anomalous eclipse motions” in Allias’ pendulum looked like; this graphic, adapted from Scientific American, depicts the mechanical arrangement of Allais’ unique paraconical pendulum (below – left).

The three vertical panels to its right illustrate the pendulum’s “highly anomalous motions” -- recorded during two partial solar eclipses to cross Allais’ Paris laboratory in the 1950’s (the first in 1954, the second in 1959); the phase of each eclipse that corresponded with these “anomalous motions,” is depicted in the last three vertical strips (far right)."




"This normal, downward-sloping trend is abruptly REVERSED!

From there, things rapidly got even more bizarre--

As the pendulum’s azimuth motion continues in an accelerating, COUNTER-clockwise direction … for the next 45 minutes; then, after peaking, the pendulum motion REVERSES direction (moving clockwise again …), only to reverse BACK again (counterclockwise!) … briefly [as the Moon reaches “mid-eclipse” (the central green line)] -- before abruptly reversing once more, accelerating again in a CLOCKWISE direction … before eventually “bottoming out” … parallel to the ORIGINAL “Foucault/Earth rotation” downward-sloping trend line!"

HERE ARE THE PRECISE CALCULATIONS INVOLVING THE ALLAIS EFFECT:




Dr. Maurice Allais:

With regard to the validity of my experiments, it seems
best to reproduce here the testimony of General Paul Bergeron,
ex-president of the Committee for Scientific Activities for
National Defense, in his letter of May 1959 to Werner von
Braun:

"Before writing to you, I considered it necessary to
visit the two laboratories of Professor Allais (one 60
meters underground), in the company of eminent
specialists – including two professors at the Ecole
Polytechnique. During several hours of discussion, we
could find no source of significant error, nor did any
attempt at explanation survive analysis.

"I should also tell you that during the last two years,
more than ten members of the Academy of Sciences and
more than thirty eminent personalities, specialists in
various aspects of gravitation, have visited both his
laboratory at Saint-Germain, and his underground
laboratory at Bougival.

"Deep discussions took place, not only on these
occasions, but many times in various scientific contexts,
notably at the Academy of Sciences and the National
Center for Scientific Research. None of these discussions
could evolve any explanation within the framework of
currently accepted theories."


This letter confirms clearly the fact that was finally
admitted at the time - the total impossibility of explaining the
perceived anomalies within the framework of currently
accepted theory.



An overview of the Allais effect (parts I - VII):

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1676115#msg1676115 (the Black Sun and the laevorotatory subquarks)


HERE IS THE REPORT SENT BY DR. ALLAIS TO NASA:

http://www.allais.info/alltrans/nasareport.pdf


the burden of proof is on you.

Sure.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTONIAN GRAVITATION AND OF EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY!

The UNKNOWN PHYSICAL INFLUENCE, SPREAD OVER HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS, was caused by AN UNKNOWN (to modern science) heavenly body which transited the Sun.

It could not have been the Moon, since the calculations exclude this possibility (we know for sure that the Sun and the Earth were involved in the eclipse, but the identity of the third body remains to be solved).


That many such bodies exist in the firmament is almost a matter of certainty; and that one such as that which eclipses the moon exists at no great distance above the earth's surface, is a matter admitted by many of the leading astronomers of the day. In the report of the council of the Royal Astronomical Society, for June 1850, it is said:

"We may well doubt whether that body which we call the moon is the only satellite of the earth."

In the report of the Academy of Sciences for October 12th, 1846, and again for August, 1847, the director of one of the French observatories gives a number of observations and calculations which have led him to conclude that,

"There is at least one non-luminous body of considerable magnitude which is attached as a satellite to this earth."

Sir John Herschel admits that:

"Invisible moons exist in the firmament."

Sir John Lubbock is of the same opinion, and gives rules and formulæ for calculating their distances, periods.

Lambert in his cosmological letters admits the existence of "dark cosmical bodies of great size."


You are going to have to ACCEPT the Allais effect and if you want anyone to believe it was the Moon, you must solve the ALLAIS EFFECT.


How does NASA predict path of the black sun, umbra and penumbra for all eclipses? I asked this question 3 times already, you are avoiding the question.

Nasa knows of the existence of the Black Sun, they know its trajectory, they know it has the same diameter as that of the Sun itself.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2019, 02:44:14 AM »
Every measured deviation in pendulum oscillation plane relative to the Earth
means that the Earth as reference point moves.


Completely wrong: first you have to PROVE that the Earth is rotating around its own axis, something that Newton never did, nor anyone else since that time.

You are forgetting the MACH PRINCIPLE: the ether drift can ALSO cause the movement of the pendulum, which is exactly what happens in reality.

The debunking of the Foucault's pendulum:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg944125#msg944125

Geocentric Coriolis effect:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg953747#msg953747

So, you have it all wrong.

The Earth is stationary while the LAEVOROTATORY SUBQUARKS (ether waves) are being activated by the Black Sun (source of the L-subquarks) to a much higher degree than normal, this is the ALLAIS EFFECT.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2019, 02:57:41 AM »
btw I haven't found any measurements of the Allais effect for this particular eclipse, have you?
You are going to have to ACCEPT the Allais effect and if you want anyone to believe it was the Moon, you must solve the ALLAIS EFFECT.

I don't need to convince anyone, because almost everyone including most FE know solar eclipses are caused by the moon eclipsing the sun. If you want other people to believe in your  black sun, first you have to prove the black sun exists and then explain how it causes the eclipses.

The Allais effect alone if confirmed doesn't prove the black sun, just your confirmation bias.

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How does NASA predict path of the black sun, umbra and penumbra for all eclipses? I asked this question 3 times already, you are avoiding the question.

Nasa knows of the existence of the Black Sun, they know its trajectory, they know it has the same diameter as that of the Sun itself.

Thank you. Evil NASA is hiding the black sun from us. Any idea how NASA is able to predict the exact path of an invisible black sun? Can it be detected with other means?
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2019, 03:13:07 AM »
because almost everyone including most FE know solar eclipses are caused by the moon eclipsing the sun.

They have no knowledge of the Allais effect.

Here it is again for you, since you do not seem to be convinced of its magnitude.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


In other words, the pendulum motions Allais observed during his two eclipses – 1954 and 1959 -- were physically IMPOSSIBLE … according to all known “textbook physics!”


REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


The Allais effect alone if confirmed doesn't prove the black sun

But it does.

If you do not believe so, PLEASE SOLVE THE ALLAIS EFFECT RIGHT NOW.

Explain it.

If not, you are going to have to deal with these facts.

A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTONIAN GRAVITATION AND OF EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY!

The UNKNOWN PHYSICAL INFLUENCE, SPREAD OVER HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS, was caused by AN UNKNOWN (to modern science) heavenly body which transited the Sun.

It could not have been the Moon, since the calculations exclude this possibility (we know for sure that the Sun and the Earth were involved in the eclipse, but the identity of the third body remains to be solved).


That many such bodies exist in the firmament is almost a matter of certainty; and that one such as that which eclipses the moon exists at no great distance above the earth's surface, is a matter admitted by many of the leading astronomers of the day. In the report of the council of the Royal Astronomical Society, for June 1850, it is said:

"We may well doubt whether that body which we call the moon is the only satellite of the earth."

In the report of the Academy of Sciences for October 12th, 1846, and again for August, 1847, the director of one of the French observatories gives a number of observations and calculations which have led him to conclude that,

"There is at least one non-luminous body of considerable magnitude which is attached as a satellite to this earth."

Sir John Herschel admits that:

"Invisible moons exist in the firmament."

Sir John Lubbock is of the same opinion, and gives rules and formulæ for calculating their distances, periods.

Lambert in his cosmological letters admits the existence of "dark cosmical bodies of great size."


You are going to have to ACCEPT the Allais effect and if you want anyone to believe it was the Moon, you must solve the ALLAIS EFFECT.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2019, 03:36:58 AM »
You are going to have to ACCEPT the Allais effect and if you want anyone to believe it was the Moon, you must solve the ALLAIS EFFECT.

No, I don't need to explain Allais effect to prove eclipses are caused by the moon. I only need to have the moon in between of the sun and the earth, and since there's plenty of evidence for that and eclipses can be predicted with great accuracy using the known orbits of the moon and the earth, I'm in a very good position.

Even in FE model without earth rotation eclipses work just fine with the moon. See the quote from FES wiki:

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A Solar Eclipse occurs when an observer on Earth passes through the shadow cast by the Moon which fully or partially blocks the Sun. This happens when the Sun, Moon and observer are nearly aligned on a straight line when the Moon is close to the ecliptic. In a total solar eclipse, the disk of the Sun is fully obscured by the Moon. In partial and annular eclipses, only part of the Sun is obscured.
https://wiki.tfes.org/Solar_Eclipse

You on the other hand should be looking for the black sun. NASA has already found it according to you, so go look for it and come back when you have some real evidence.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2019, 03:51:23 AM »
No, I don't need to explain Allais effect to prove eclipses are caused by the moon.

But you have to.

There are three bodies involved in a solar eclipse: Earth, Sun, the Moon or the Black Sun.

We know the precise identify of two of them: the Earth and the Sun.

The calculations are very precise also.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


The amplitude of the luni-solar component is TWENTY MILLION TIMES greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of gravitation.

Do you understand these figures?

Obviously it is the identity of the third body involved in the solar eclipse which now is in doubt: it can't be the Moon, since the calculations exceed the normal luni-solar component by TWENTY MILLION TIMES.

Please read further.

REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


Please explain the source of this unknown physical influence.

I only need to have the moon in between of the sun and the earth

But you can no longer have the Moon in between the Sun and the Earth.

I have the numbers, you have nothing.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.

A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTONIAN GRAVITATION AND OF EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY!

The UNKNOWN PHYSICAL INFLUENCE, SPREAD OVER HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS, was caused by AN UNKNOWN (to modern science) heavenly body which transited the Sun.

It could not have been the Moon, since the calculations exclude this possibility (we know for sure that the Sun and the Earth were involved in the eclipse, but the identity of the third body remains to be solved).

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2019, 04:04:50 AM »
No, I don't need to explain Allais effect to prove eclipses are caused by the moon.

But you have to.

There are three bodies involved in a solar eclipse: Earth, Sun, the Moon or the Black Sun.

We know the precise identify of two of them: the Earth and the Sun.

The calculations are very precise also.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


The amplitude of the luni-solar component is TWENTY MILLION TIMES greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of gravitation.

Do you understand these figures?

Obviously it is the identity of the third body involved in the solar eclipse which now is in doubt: it can't be the Moon, since the calculations exceed the normal luni-solar component by TWENTY MILLION TIMES.

Please read further.

REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


Please explain the source of this unknown physical influence.

I only need to have the moon in between of the sun and the earth

But you can no longer have the Moon in between the Sun and the Earth.

I have the numbers, you have nothing.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.

A TOTAL DEFIANCE OF NEWTONIAN GRAVITATION AND OF EINSTEIN'S RELATIVITY!

The UNKNOWN PHYSICAL INFLUENCE, SPREAD OVER HUNDREDS OF KILOMETERS, was caused by AN UNKNOWN (to modern science) heavenly body which transited the Sun.

It could not have been the Moon, since the calculations exclude this possibility (we know for sure that the Sun and the Earth were involved in the eclipse, but the identity of the third body remains to be solved).

Some unconfirmed anomalies in the behavior of pendulums are not evidence of the moon not being in between of the sun of the earth, let alone evidence of the black sun. Which of the three academic documents you are referencing cites the black sun?
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2019, 04:14:21 AM »
Some unconfirmed anomalies

Again, you seem to be at a loss to understand what is going on.

SEVEN REFERENCES WHICH DOCUMENT THE EXISTENCE OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT.

SOLAR ECLIPSES IN 1970, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011.

Please read:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83098.msg2201080#msg2201080

You can NO LONGER DENY the existence of the ALLAIS EFFECT.

Each time you do this, I will post each and every reference, all over again, until you understand what is going on.


are not evidence of the moon not being in between of the sun of the earth

But there is direct and certain evidence.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


Which of the three academic documents you are referencing cites the black sun?

All of them.

As a specific example, this one:

REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


UNKNOWN INFLUENCE

If you do not want to call it the Black Sun, then fine.

But you are going to have to explain this 'UNKNOWN INFLUENCE'.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2019, 04:35:07 AM »
Some unconfirmed anomalies

Again, you seem to be at a loss to understand what is going on.

SEVEN REFERENCES WHICH DOCUMENT THE EXISTENCE OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT.

SOLAR ECLIPSES IN 1970, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011.

Please read:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83098.msg2201080#msg2201080

You can NO LONGER DENY the existence of the ALLAIS EFFECT.

Each time you do this, I will post each and every reference, all over again, until you understand what is going on.


are not evidence of the moon not being in between of the sun of the earth

But there is direct and certain evidence.



Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.


Which of the three academic documents you are referencing cites the black sun?

All of them.

As a specific example, this one:

REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.


UNKNOWN INFLUENCE

If you do not want to call it the Black Sun, then fine.

But you are going to have to explain this 'UNKNOWN INFLUENCE'.

The Allais effect has been detected in some eclipses and in some not, or not as strong and in Allais  first experiment, which leaves the field open for speculation.

Non of the academic papers mentions other object than the moon eclipsing the sun. This idea seems to come entirely from you.

I can also post quotes from academic papers and look smart, but it makes threads core to read:
https://www.faidherbe.org/~foucault/fichiers/pdf/theorie_allais_articles_Flandern_Yang.pdf

We can therefore conclude that air mass movement during solar eclipses is a significant effect that cannot be neglected when trying to explain the Allais gravity anomaly

So experiments that were shielded only from temperature changes but not pressure changes may have experienced an extra and unexpected driving force from local air movement perhaps responsible for these changes, whereas other experiments with better controls would not have experienced them. This is also consistent with the pendulum effect showing up most often in the early experiments, but having no unambiguous detections within the past 30 years when consciousness of the importance of controls was more widespread.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2019, 04:54:59 AM »
Your paper mentions the moon 6 times, from your quote, the moon:


REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.

UNKNOWN INFLUENCE

If you do not want to call it the Black Sun, then fine.

But you are going to have to explain this 'UNKNOWN INFLUENCE'.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2019, 05:12:27 AM by kopfverderber »
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2019, 05:37:46 AM »
The Allais effect has been detected in some eclipses and in some not

Read the report sent to Nasa by Dr. Maurice Allais: a thorough explanation why most of the other experiments with a pendulum failed.

Please read the seven references provided: a precise documentation for the Allais effect being observed.

I can also post quotes from academic papers and look smart, but it makes threads core to read:
https://www.faidherbe.org/~foucault/fichiers/pdf/theorie_allais_articles_Flandern_Yang.pdf


I have taken care of that a long time ago:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1680651#msg1680651

http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0408/0408023.pdf

Though this model still seems to be a reasonable candidate to explain the anomalous
gravimeter behaviour, it certainly cannot account for the effects observed with torsion,
paraconical and Foucault pendula, despite the title of the publication by Van Flandern
and Yang.


You need to try much harder.


as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun

The authors had to have their paper published in the journal.

Imagine the following wording:

as the Black Sun departed the angular vicinity of the Sun

Now, they tried to indirectly point out that it could not possibly have been the Moon.

REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.

UNKNOWN INFLUENCE

If you do not want to call it the Black Sun, then fine.

But you are going to have to explain this 'UNKNOWN INFLUENCE'.




Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.

The amplitude of the luni-solar component is TWENTY MILLION TIMES greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of gravitation.

Do you understand these figures?

Obviously it is the identity of the third body involved in the solar eclipse which now is in doubt: it can't be the Moon, since the calculations exceed the normal luni-solar component by TWENTY MILLION TIMES.

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2019, 05:53:49 AM »
Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation, whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic support, this relation is about a hundred million.

The amplitude of the luni-solar component is TWENTY MILLION TIMES greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of gravitation.

Do you understand these figures?

Obviously it is the identity of the third body involved in the solar eclipse which now is in doubt: it can't be the Moon, since the calculations exceed the normal luni-solar component by TWENTY MILLION TIMES.
Or some other explanation ::)! When you say "obviously" it means nothing!

I've seen the following thread and am aware of you total lack of reasoning power:
Venus/Mercury/Iss-Atlantis Sun Transit - True distance Earth - Sun « Message by sandokhan on February 10, 2008, 12:28:26 AM »

This sort of logic:
Quote
There are no 149.000.000 million kilometers between the Sun and the Earth; as these photographs clearly show, right behind the ISS/Atlantis is the Sun, at just a few kilometers (or even less) in the background.

Between the ISS/Atlantis and the Sun are only a few kilometers and not the 148.999.600 kilometers we have been lied to with.

http://www.astrophoto.fr/iss_shuttle_crop.jpg

http://www.astrophoto.fr/iss_shuttle_50.jpg

The next two photographs show exactly the same distance from Venus/Mercury to the Sun, as in the photographs taken with ISS/Atlantis shuttle, and moreover, the same dimensions, of just 50-75 meters (50 meters Mercury, 75-100 meters Venus) in diameter; it was well known in the ancient world that the stars are very small (with the exception of Jupiter, Saturn, and Tiamat/Nibiru).

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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2019, 06:05:03 AM »
The Allais effect has been detected in some eclipses and in some not

Read the report sent to Nasa by Dr. Maurice Allais: a thorough explanation why most of the other experiments with a pendulum failed.

Please read the seven references provided: a precise documentation for the Allais effect being observed.

I can also post quotes from academic papers and look smart, but it makes threads core to read:
https://www.faidherbe.org/~foucault/fichiers/pdf/theorie_allais_articles_Flandern_Yang.pdf


I have taken care of that a long time ago:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1680651#msg1680651

http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0408/0408023.pdf

Though this model still seems to be a reasonable candidate to explain the anomalous
gravimeter behaviour, it certainly cannot account for the effects observed with torsion,
paraconical and Foucault pendula, despite the title of the publication by Van Flandern
and Yang.


You need to try much harder.


as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun

The authors had to have their paper published in the journal.

Imagine the following wording:

as the Black Sun departed the angular vicinity of the Sun

Now, they tried to indirectly point out that it could not possibly have been the Moon.

REFERENCE #3

CONFIRMATION OF THE ALLAIS EFFECT DURING THE 2008 SOLAR ECLIPSE:

http://ivanik3.narod.ru/Astrophiz/AnomSunEclip/pugarticleGoodey.pdf

Published in the Journal of Advanced Research in Physics


Given the above, the authors consider that it is an inescapable conclusion from our experiments that after the end of the visible eclipse, as the Moon departed the angular vicinity of the Sun, some influence exerted itself upon the Eastern European region containing our three sets of equipment, extending over a field at least hundreds of kilometers in width.

The nature of this common influence is unknown, but plainly it cannot be considered as gravitational in the usually accepted sense of Newtonian or Einsteinian gravitation.


We therefore are compelled to the opinion that some currently unknown physical influence was at work.

UNKNOWN INFLUENCE

If you do not want to call it the Black Sun, then fine.

But you are going to have to explain this 'UNKNOWN INFLUENCE'.




Dr. Maurice Allais:

In both cases, with the experiments with the anisotropic
support and with those with the isotropic support, it is found
that the amplitudes of the periodic effects are considerably
greater than those calculated according to the law of gravitation,
whether or not completed by the theory of relativity.
In the case of the anisotropic support, the amplitude of
the luni-solar component of 24h 50m is about twenty million
times greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of
universal gravitation.

In the case of the paraconical pendulum with isotropic
support, this relation is about a hundred million.

The amplitude of the luni-solar component is TWENTY MILLION TIMES greater than the amplitude calculated by the theory of gravitation.

Do you understand these figures?

Obviously it is the identity of the third body involved in the solar eclipse which now is in doubt: it can't be the Moon, since the calculations exceed the normal luni-solar component by TWENTY MILLION TIMES.

Once again, I'm not interested in what might be causing the pendulum anomalies during eclipses. The object eclipsing the sun is quite proven to be the moon. No explanation of the allais effect is going to remove the moon from being in between of the sun and the earth.

First Allais measurements  could be inaccurate caused by poor controls, more modern measurements seem to show a far lesser effect.  All the papers you have referenced explicitly mention the moon as the cause of the eclipse, you are the only one imagining another object. It's beyond me why you keep citing papers that directly contradict you. 

In the other paper the biggest anomalies were  registered after the eclipse, not during the eclipse as expected and each pendulum shows different results, which is contradicting. The experiment as all the other is inconclusive.
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Re: Solar eclipse of November 23, 2003
« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2019, 06:15:44 AM »
If this 'black sun' is the same size of the Sun and causes eclipses, then why is it only visible in totality from such a small area at any given time? If it swings so close to the Sun(a daunting proposition), where it appears to be nearly the same size, wouldn't it be visible from most of the Earth at once? If it's considerably closer and the same size, wouldn't it block the Sun entirely and for even longer a time? And what about annular eclipses? How can an object the same size as the Sun and in front of the Sun leave a ring of the Sun unblocked? Again, visible along a narrow path of the Earth?

Isn't it much more likely that the Sun is being blocked during an eclipse by a much smaller object than the Sun at a much closer distance hence the narrow path of totality?
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